Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
    For FIBA ball, NO he's not. Would put Cooks and Travers already ahead of him ,(but no problem if he's your bench player
    But Ben still better than those two combined... Aussies can't deny his talent... Coaching staffs should find a way where Ben will be fit in...

    Comment


    • Actually disagree beside Landale, Thybulle and Ingles , Cooks to me is a better role fit now compared to Ben.

      Ben might be Actually better as the back up center (im serious)
      You can't play Ben anymore with another big .
      And certainly can't play him as your PG in FIBA zone

      1..Mills, Giddey
      2 Green, Daniels
      3 Ingles , Thybulle
      4. Cooks
      5 Landale / Simmons
      Last edited by DAdmiral; 02-19-2023, 02:24 AM.

      Comment


      • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
        Actually disagree beside Landale, Thybulle and Ingles , Cooks to me is a better role fit now compared to Ben.

        Ben might be Actually better as the back up center (im serious)
        You can't play Ben anymore with another big .
        And certainly can't play him as your PG in FIBA zone

        1..Mills, Giddey
        2 Green, Daniels
        3 Ingles , Thybulle
        4. Cooks
        5 Landale / Simmons
        He can play 4 ala Draymond Green for GSW / Team USA... He's doing right now with Nets w/ KD and Kyrie (Before Leaving)... He doesn't need to score there, His size especially in defense definitely an asset because only few can match him size by size in FIBA setting... He's legit NBAer after all...

        Comment


        • Not according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA

          Vaughn admitted: “It’s going to be some work that we have to do.

          “Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.

          “Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T


          Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
          Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBA
          Last edited by DAdmiral; 02-19-2023, 03:32 AM.

          Comment


          • World Cup is nearing.

            I think we are set for JC as our NP.

            So our Bigs will be Kai, Japeth, Junmar, and Hopefully AJ if becomes healthy enough.

            I know some posters here doesn't like the idea of Japeth and Junmar playing for Gilas cause of different reasons. But it's not like we have other choices.

            And no, I don't think Tamayo, Baltazar, or other combo Forwards will be converted to Center. I hope not.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
              Not according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA

              Vaughn admitted: “It’s going to be some work that we have to do.

              “Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.

              “Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T


              Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
              Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBA
              its all mental/psychological now for ben simmons. from being touted as the next lbj to now this, virtually unplayable in crunch time, and now unplayable at all

              either that kardashian curse is real or simmons lost his soul in that atl-ph series

              Comment


              • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                Not according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA

                Vaughn admitted: ?It?s going to be some work that we have to do.

                ?Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.

                ?Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T


                Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
                Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBA
                Disagree, NBA level is so much higher than FIBA & NBL, it'll be best for Simmons to play at both (NBL&Fiba) to reclaim his confidence. The comments made by the Nets coach is strictly on a NBA perspective.
                Its the toughest league and without supreme confidence in your abilities despite the physical gifts and attributes of Simmons it makes it almost impossible to play at that level.
                In terms or raw abilities Ben Simmons I believe is still the top talent from Australia, he needs his confidence back. A player can only drop this low via injuries and/or broken confidence.
                We've always noted that there are levels to basketbal, those 12th player on the worst NBA team that cant get any playing time can light up any leagues (Euro,NBL etc) if given the opportunity to play.
                We saw a certain Shane Larkin dropping 38pts back in 2019 to win in Game 7 of the Turkish league, former NBA vets like Bogut who was on his last basketball legs still winning in 2018 and the NBL MVP and Banes still making an impact or at the very least serviceable.
                It's all about levels and confidence in basketball. Those who played the game (on any levels including baranggay lol) are well aware of these.
                No one is foolish enough to underestimate the NBL level as it has produced top nba talents (Giddey, Bogut,Ingles) but to say Simmons is now at a much lower tier than the others (FIBA level)
                looks premature.
                A prime Ben Simmons is a Top 25 NBA talent. We can all remember Markelle Fultz who at his worst because of physical issues (lost his ability to take a fluid jumpshot) almost dropped out of the nba and now he's back healthy and looks every bit of the 1st overall pick. I expect a full recovery from Simmons as well.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
                  Disagree, NBA level is so much higher than FIBA & NBL, it'll be best for Simmons to play at both (NBL&Fiba) to reclaim his confidence. The comments made by the Nets coach is strictly on a NBA perspective.
                  Its the toughest league and without supreme confidence in your abilities despite the physical gifts and attributes of Simmons it makes it almost impossible to play at that level.
                  In terms or raw abilities Ben Simmons I believe is still the top talent from Australia, he needs his confidence back. A player can only drop this low via injuries and/or broken confidence.
                  We've always noted that there are levels to basketbal, those 12th player on the worst NBA team that cant get any playing time can light up any leagues (Euro,NBL etc) if given the opportunity to play.
                  We saw a certain Shane Larkin dropping 38pts back in 2019 to win in Game 7 of the Turkish league, former NBA vets like Bogut who was on his last basketball legs still winning in 2018 and the NBL MVP and Banes still making an impact or at the very least serviceable.
                  It's all about levels and confidence in basketball. Those who played the game (on any levels including baranggay lol) are well aware of these.
                  No one is foolish enough to underestimate the NBL level as it has produced top nba talents (Giddey, Bogut,Ingles) but to say Simmons is now at a much lower tier than the others (FIBA level)
                  looks premature.
                  A prime Ben Simmons is a Top 25 NBA talent. We can all remember Markelle Fultz who at his worst because of physical issues (lost his ability to take a fluid jumpshot) almost dropped out of the nba and now he's back healthy and looks every bit of the 1st overall pick. I expect a full recovery from Simmons as well.
                  this is absolutely true. plus Ben Simmons doesn't have the leverage now to beg off, it's not like he's considered a franchise player anymore or an All-Star.

                  The three point line is also shorter in FIBA, so that might tweak his psyche a little bit. He can shoot, it's all in his head. He just needs to feel like he can carry a team again, get out of the slump, and get his groove back. If he can't perform against FIBA competition, where he's playing against players who can't even make it to the NBA, maybe he should hang it up.. World Cup is an opportunity for him to redeem his name.
                  Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings

                  Comment


                  • Don't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
                    Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules

                    No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA

                    The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.

                    Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA role
                    Last edited by DAdmiral; 02-19-2023, 08:49 AM.

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                      Don't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
                      Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules

                      No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA
                      Landale can occasionally hit the 3. Though I still question what is Ben going to do on offense since they got better ballhandlers/true bigs who are 2 way players. They can lock up players better than Simmons can and are actual scoring threats.

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                        Don't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
                        Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules

                        No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA

                        The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.

                        Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA role
                        Ben Simmons can play all 5 positions in FIBA or to any league outside the NBA.
                        By the time he gets his confidence back and playing at an all star level again, we'll forget this version of him just as the past is behind Markelle Fultz who I thought would never recover.
                        But admittedly Simmons would need a very good team/support behind him. I hope someone from Australia basketball reaches out to him (although I believe they already have last year) and convince him to play in the worlds.
                        One thing I would say about the NBA, its not only the level of play that is at the highest, it also has the highest form of pressure from fans,media etc that can take a toll on a player if he doesnt have a good support team around him.
                        Its weird to be responding to a comment about Ben Simmons when I dont even like the player (not even on NBA 2K lol), but anyone who has seen him knows he's an elite player (NBA Top 25) So its not fair to compare his level now (all time low) with say a Landale who's ceiling is that of a Kelly Olynyk.
                        At FIBA level, Ben could man the point, initiate the offense and be a strong slasher while he kicks out to mates that are more reliable shooters. I really hope he considers playing for Australia and show people up.
                        I remember DWade winning in 2006, getting injured and people doubted him and practically have written him off until he showed up in 2008 Olympics and dominated everyone outside of Lebron and Kobe.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                          Don't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
                          Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules

                          No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA

                          The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.

                          Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA role
                          He was drafted because of his ability to be a point guard in a 6'10 frame, not a center. His confidence is shot, if Boomers can somehow figure out a way to help him find his old self back, that will be the greatest blessing he'll have in his entire career. NBA executives already know what he can do in terms of being a floor general, but they want to see him getting buckets again, shooting over smaller defenders 25 feet out, bullying slower big men down low, posting up mismatches midpost, rejecting screens and attacking the basket instead of passively passing to a roller or a shooter in the corner... that's the Ben Simmons NBA teams pay millions of dollars for, a matchup nightmare, someone normal 6'2-6'5 point guards cannot contain. An unstoppable force.

                          He can be THAT Ben Simmons again in FIBA, he's carrying the name of Australia already and if somehow humiliates himself on that stage, maybe it's time to finally reassess his NBA value, does he deserve multi-year multi-million dollar contracts or a role player contract? Does he even deserve to be in the league? After all he's still one of the best players Australia-wide, he deserves to play, no.... he must play for the sake of his future, just to shut the haters up and prove to himself that he's HIM.
                          Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
                            Disagree, NBA level is so much higher than FIBA & NBL, it'll be best for Simmons to play at both (NBL&Fiba) to reclaim his confidence. The comments made by the Nets coach is strictly on a NBA perspective.
                            Its the toughest league and without supreme confidence in your abilities despite the physical gifts and attributes of Simmons it makes it almost impossible to play at that level.
                            In terms or raw abilities Ben Simmons I believe is still the top talent from Australia, he needs his confidence back. A player can only drop this low via injuries and/or broken confidence.
                            We've always noted that there are levels to basketbal, those 12th player on the worst NBA team that cant get any playing time can light up any leagues (Euro,NBL etc) if given the opportunity to play.
                            We saw a certain Shane Larkin dropping 38pts back in 2019 to win in Game 7 of the Turkish league, former NBA vets like Bogut who was on his last basketball legs still winning in 2018 and the NBL MVP and Banes still making an impact or at the very least serviceable.
                            It's all about levels and confidence in basketball. Those who played the game (on any levels including baranggay lol) are well aware of these.
                            No one is foolish enough to underestimate the NBL level as it has produced top nba talents (Giddey, Bogut,Ingles) but to say Simmons is now at a much lower tier than the others (FIBA level)
                            looks premature.
                            A prime Ben Simmons is a Top 25 NBA talent. We can all remember Markelle Fultz who at his worst because of physical issues (lost his ability to take a fluid jumpshot) almost dropped out of the nba and now he's back healthy and looks every bit of the 1st overall pick. I expect a full recovery from Simmons as well.
                            Remember Tacko Fall, A bench warmer in the NBA but in CBA, he's one of the leading candidates for MVP there... out of prime Dwight Howard putting crazy statlines in Taiwan (84 pts plus triple double)...

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                              Don't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
                              Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules

                              No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA

                              The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.

                              Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA role
                              Coach Goorjian knows how to use Simmons... If there is a one coach who can use Simmons more, then it's him.... Again, Chemistry is very important... But can you decline a guy who is former ROY in NBA, A decent player and still top international players in today's era? No federation or coach will not waste a guy like him (Simmons)....

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
                                Coach Goorjian knows how to use Simmons... If there is a one coach who can use Simmons more, then it's him.... Again, Chemistry is very important... But can you decline a guy who is former ROY in NBA, A decent player and still top international players in today's era? No federation or coach will not waste a guy like him (Simmons)....
                                I think NBL teams should also join EASL, just to gauge what level they're really at vs Asian leagues. Most casual fans think NBL is a level higher than CBA, PBA, KBL and BLeague, when each league just have different styles and brand of play. We overestimate the skill level of NBL players when most of them are just playing in a team with well-oiled systems, plus they play FIBA rules. Ben Simmons will wreck havoc in the NBL no doubt. They claim to be the second best league outside the NBA, and that's just pure BS (hello from the Euroleague). NBA is the highest level of basketball there is, which is why even excellent, gifted players can still struggle to find their footing in that league.

                                When a well-coached college team (Ateneo) beats a professional team (Adelaide 36ers);
                                And when a PBA team (Ginebra) beats an Australian coached basketball team with multiple NBL titles and an Olympic Bronze medal with an NBA import (Bay Area)... that just tells us we're not that far from the Aussie's level of play. Japan full of BLeague players already beat a Boomer team full of NBL players.
                                Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X

                                Debug Information