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Actually disagree beside Landale, Thybulle and Ingles , Cooks to me is a better role fit now compared to Ben.
Ben might be Actually better as the back up center (im serious)
You can't play Ben anymore with another big .
And certainly can't play him as your PG in FIBA zone
1..Mills, Giddey
2 Green, Daniels
3 Ingles , Thybulle
4. Cooks
5 Landale / SimmonsLast edited by DAdmiral; 02-19-2023, 02:24 AM.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostActually disagree beside Landale, Thybulle and Ingles , Cooks to me is a better role fit now compared to Ben.
Ben might be Actually better as the back up center (im serious)
You can't play Ben anymore with another big .
And certainly can't play him as your PG in FIBA zone
1..Mills, Giddey
2 Green, Daniels
3 Ingles , Thybulle
4. Cooks
5 Landale / Simmons
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Not according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA
Vaughn admitted: “It’s going to be some work that we have to do.
“Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.
“Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T
Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBALast edited by DAdmiral; 02-19-2023, 03:32 AM.
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World Cup is nearing.
I think we are set for JC as our NP.
So our Bigs will be Kai, Japeth, Junmar, and Hopefully AJ if becomes healthy enough.
I know some posters here doesn't like the idea of Japeth and Junmar playing for Gilas cause of different reasons. But it's not like we have other choices.
And no, I don't think Tamayo, Baltazar, or other combo Forwards will be converted to Center. I hope not.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostNot according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA
Vaughn admitted: “It’s going to be some work that we have to do.
“Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.
“Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T
Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBA
either that kardashian curse is real or simmons lost his soul in that atl-ph series
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostNot according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA
Vaughn admitted: ?It?s going to be some work that we have to do.
?Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.
?Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T
Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBA
Its the toughest league and without supreme confidence in your abilities despite the physical gifts and attributes of Simmons it makes it almost impossible to play at that level.
In terms or raw abilities Ben Simmons I believe is still the top talent from Australia, he needs his confidence back. A player can only drop this low via injuries and/or broken confidence.
We've always noted that there are levels to basketbal, those 12th player on the worst NBA team that cant get any playing time can light up any leagues (Euro,NBL etc) if given the opportunity to play.
We saw a certain Shane Larkin dropping 38pts back in 2019 to win in Game 7 of the Turkish league, former NBA vets like Bogut who was on his last basketball legs still winning in 2018 and the NBL MVP and Banes still making an impact or at the very least serviceable.
It's all about levels and confidence in basketball. Those who played the game (on any levels including baranggay lol) are well aware of these.
No one is foolish enough to underestimate the NBL level as it has produced top nba talents (Giddey, Bogut,Ingles) but to say Simmons is now at a much lower tier than the others (FIBA level)
looks premature.
A prime Ben Simmons is a Top 25 NBA talent. We can all remember Markelle Fultz who at his worst because of physical issues (lost his ability to take a fluid jumpshot) almost dropped out of the nba and now he's back healthy and looks every bit of the 1st overall pick. I expect a full recovery from Simmons as well.
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Originally posted by carmelo7 View PostDisagree, NBA level is so much higher than FIBA & NBL, it'll be best for Simmons to play at both (NBL&Fiba) to reclaim his confidence. The comments made by the Nets coach is strictly on a NBA perspective.
Its the toughest league and without supreme confidence in your abilities despite the physical gifts and attributes of Simmons it makes it almost impossible to play at that level.
In terms or raw abilities Ben Simmons I believe is still the top talent from Australia, he needs his confidence back. A player can only drop this low via injuries and/or broken confidence.
We've always noted that there are levels to basketbal, those 12th player on the worst NBA team that cant get any playing time can light up any leagues (Euro,NBL etc) if given the opportunity to play.
We saw a certain Shane Larkin dropping 38pts back in 2019 to win in Game 7 of the Turkish league, former NBA vets like Bogut who was on his last basketball legs still winning in 2018 and the NBL MVP and Banes still making an impact or at the very least serviceable.
It's all about levels and confidence in basketball. Those who played the game (on any levels including baranggay lol) are well aware of these.
No one is foolish enough to underestimate the NBL level as it has produced top nba talents (Giddey, Bogut,Ingles) but to say Simmons is now at a much lower tier than the others (FIBA level)
looks premature.
A prime Ben Simmons is a Top 25 NBA talent. We can all remember Markelle Fultz who at his worst because of physical issues (lost his ability to take a fluid jumpshot) almost dropped out of the nba and now he's back healthy and looks every bit of the 1st overall pick. I expect a full recovery from Simmons as well.
The three point line is also shorter in FIBA, so that might tweak his psyche a little bit. He can shoot, it's all in his head. He just needs to feel like he can carry a team again, get out of the slump, and get his groove back. If he can't perform against FIBA competition, where he's playing against players who can't even make it to the NBA, maybe he should hang it up.. World Cup is an opportunity for him to redeem his name.Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings
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Don't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules
No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA
The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.
Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA roleLast edited by DAdmiral; 02-19-2023, 08:49 AM.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostDon't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules
No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostDon't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules
No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA
The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.
Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA role
By the time he gets his confidence back and playing at an all star level again, we'll forget this version of him just as the past is behind Markelle Fultz who I thought would never recover.
But admittedly Simmons would need a very good team/support behind him. I hope someone from Australia basketball reaches out to him (although I believe they already have last year) and convince him to play in the worlds.
One thing I would say about the NBA, its not only the level of play that is at the highest, it also has the highest form of pressure from fans,media etc that can take a toll on a player if he doesnt have a good support team around him.
Its weird to be responding to a comment about Ben Simmons when I dont even like the player (not even on NBA 2K lol), but anyone who has seen him knows he's an elite player (NBA Top 25) So its not fair to compare his level now (all time low) with say a Landale who's ceiling is that of a Kelly Olynyk.
At FIBA level, Ben could man the point, initiate the offense and be a strong slasher while he kicks out to mates that are more reliable shooters. I really hope he considers playing for Australia and show people up.
I remember DWade winning in 2006, getting injured and people doubted him and practically have written him off until he showed up in 2008 Olympics and dominated everyone outside of Lebron and Kobe.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostDon't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules
No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA
The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.
Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA role
He can be THAT Ben Simmons again in FIBA, he's carrying the name of Australia already and if somehow humiliates himself on that stage, maybe it's time to finally reassess his NBA value, does he deserve multi-year multi-million dollar contracts or a role player contract? Does he even deserve to be in the league? After all he's still one of the best players Australia-wide, he deserves to play, no.... he must play for the sake of his future, just to shut the haters up and prove to himself that he's HIM.Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings
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Originally posted by carmelo7 View PostDisagree, NBA level is so much higher than FIBA & NBL, it'll be best for Simmons to play at both (NBL&Fiba) to reclaim his confidence. The comments made by the Nets coach is strictly on a NBA perspective.
Its the toughest league and without supreme confidence in your abilities despite the physical gifts and attributes of Simmons it makes it almost impossible to play at that level.
In terms or raw abilities Ben Simmons I believe is still the top talent from Australia, he needs his confidence back. A player can only drop this low via injuries and/or broken confidence.
We've always noted that there are levels to basketbal, those 12th player on the worst NBA team that cant get any playing time can light up any leagues (Euro,NBL etc) if given the opportunity to play.
We saw a certain Shane Larkin dropping 38pts back in 2019 to win in Game 7 of the Turkish league, former NBA vets like Bogut who was on his last basketball legs still winning in 2018 and the NBL MVP and Banes still making an impact or at the very least serviceable.
It's all about levels and confidence in basketball. Those who played the game (on any levels including baranggay lol) are well aware of these.
No one is foolish enough to underestimate the NBL level as it has produced top nba talents (Giddey, Bogut,Ingles) but to say Simmons is now at a much lower tier than the others (FIBA level)
looks premature.
A prime Ben Simmons is a Top 25 NBA talent. We can all remember Markelle Fultz who at his worst because of physical issues (lost his ability to take a fluid jumpshot) almost dropped out of the nba and now he's back healthy and looks every bit of the 1st overall pick. I expect a full recovery from Simmons as well.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View PostDon't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules
No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA
The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.
Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA role
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Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View PostCoach Goorjian knows how to use Simmons... If there is a one coach who can use Simmons more, then it's him.... Again, Chemistry is very important... But can you decline a guy who is former ROY in NBA, A decent player and still top international players in today's era? No federation or coach will not waste a guy like him (Simmons)....
When a well-coached college team (Ateneo) beats a professional team (Adelaide 36ers);
And when a PBA team (Ginebra) beats an Australian coached basketball team with multiple NBL titles and an Olympic Bronze medal with an NBA import (Bay Area)... that just tells us we're not that far from the Aussie's level of play. Japan full of BLeague players already beat a Boomer team full of NBL players.Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings
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