Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[DAdmiral]

Im pretty sure Chris Koon is a legit candidate but lacks the residency requirement pero again hopefully Koon, M.Philipps & Lucero after 4-5 years

The former two plausible with Ballungay, Lucero more doubtful, as age of start of residency matters. 3 or 5 years residency from a teenager start should suffice (no need to play in PBA after college to be exempted)

[DAdmiral]

The best ideal situation for exception, is Batang Gilas , college (like Spencer, Wright and Zain), all passports after 16 years old

[DAdmiral]

Still need to play in PBA, Because that is one of pre-requisite to get exemption... Just look at Slaughter, Newsome and Jawato... all played PRO careers on their mother country... Residency will suffer if they play overseas... Unless ABL will revive and playing for a PHL ballclubs will not hurt their residency... Just like Jawato as he plays for Indonesia patriots in ABL back in 2017-2018 season of ABL.... If ABL revives, guys like Lucero, Philipps bros can play there without ending their residency because still a PHL based ball club...

That's not true, Greg and Newsome took awhile cause no case was filed for them earlier, please stop all these assumption opinions you make base on uninformed inaccurate information. You're guessing simply based on incomplete information you are aware off.

There is no specific requirement for pro play, just local league play (can be college)

Spencer is already eligible after 1 or 2 years residency. He got a FiBA local ID when he played for BG u18 , after just 1 year residency
Understand common law grant of citizenship principles, the younger the start of residency, the shorter the period of residency required. It follows the principle that basketball heritage at younger development years are more valuable than when one is being paid as professional. (Very sound logic consistent with common citizenship grant laws)

Do note that commonly you get more points for granting citizenship by studying as minor or in college than one gets if he is a working adult (residency)

Notice common citizenship laws have cutoff age requirement and get more points if younger . Also remember this is an exception for an age cutt off rule of under 16. Understand context..

[monsoonxvi]

That's not true, Greg and Newsome took awhile cause no case was filed for them earlier, please stop all these assumption opinions you make base on uninformed inaccurate information. You're guessing simply based on incomplete information you are aware off.
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DAdmiral for me your patience is admirable. You're one of the few here who really has anything to do with basketball.

The info about FIBA considerations for young student-athletes is good. I'm sure quite a few prospects were affected by the closure of embassies/consul offices worldwide because of the pandemic. US consul office was closed for basically more than 2 years.

[DAdmiral]

It's all case to case basis , and there are criteria guidelines. There is no explicit formula of number of years equals definite exception..

The criteria for consideration are explicit
1. Age of grant of passport (the younger the better )
2. Age when residency was established ( the younger the better)
3 # of years of residency (the more the better)
4. # of years of domestic league play (the younger the better , grade school will even be better , cause that really demonstrates basketball development heritage)
5. Parental or grandparent citizen relationships (note this isn't an enthnicity test , but blood relationship to a citizen)

To me without explicitly saying it , if
1. a player moved to country as a teenager ,
2. with one of his parents is a citizen
3 established 4 years residency and domestic league play.

I am super confident that player will be exempted.
It meets all the contextual requirements of granting an exception. (It's really not guess work). If one meets the 3 requirements above it basically demonstrates all the principles of allegiance to the country and demonstrates the person has adopted the country as home separate from basketball reasons .

As.in citizenship assessment, do not use others as reasons why one should be accepted or not, as it's case to case , there may be a detail of a specific case such as Jawato or Jerick that were not aware off. (Does not really work that way..)

[mapuakid]

That's not true, Greg and Newsome took awhile cause no case was filed for them earlier, please stop all these assumption opinions you make base on uninformed inaccurate information. You're guessing simply based on incomplete information you are aware off.

There is no specific requirement for pro play, just local league play (can be college)

Spencer is already eligible after 1 or 2 years residency. He got a FiBA local ID when he played for BG u18 , after just 1 year residency
Understand common law grant of citizenship principles, the younger the start of residency, the shorter the period of residency required. It follows the principle that basketball heritage at younger development years are more valuable than when one is being paid as professional. (Very sound logic consistent with common citizenship grant laws)

Do note that commonly you get more points for granting citizenship by studying as minor or in college than one gets if he is a working adult (residency)

Notice common citizenship laws have cutoff age requirement and get more points if younger . Also remember this is an exception for an age cutt off rule of under 16. Understand context..

So SBP-Meralco camp tested the waters in FIba champions cup (not sure if it was in 2018?) when they lined-up Newsome in hoping to play as local. They should've applied him before. Is the application fee a bit expensive (sorry if posters already asked this question?)

[ja.he]

That's not true, Greg and Newsome took awhile cause no case was filed for them earlier, please stop all these assumption opinions you make base on uninformed inaccurate information. You're guessing simply based on incomplete information you are aware off.

There is no specific requirement for pro play, just local league play (can be college)

Spencer is already eligible after 1 or 2 years residency. He got a FiBA local ID when he played for BG u18 , after just 1 year residency
Understand common law grant of citizenship principles, the younger the start of residency, the shorter the period of residency required. It follows the principle that basketball heritage at younger development years are more valuable than when one is being paid as professional. (Very sound logic consistent with common citizenship grant laws)

Do note that commonly you get more points for granting citizenship by studying as minor or in college than one gets if he is a working adult (residency)

Notice common citizenship laws have cutoff age requirement and get more points if younger . Also remember this is an exception for an age cutt off rule of under 16. Understand context..

It's all case to case basis , and there are criteria guidelines. There is no explicit formula of number of years equals definite exception..

The criteria for consideration are explicit
1. Age of grant of passport (the younger the better )
2. Age when residency was established ( the younger the better)
3 # of years of residency (the more the better)
4. # of years of domestic league play (the younger the better , grade school will even be better , cause that really demonstrates basketball development heritage)
5. Parental or grandparent citizen relationships (note this isn't an enthnicity test , but blood relationship to a citizen)

To me without explicitly saying it , if
1. a player moved to country as a teenager ,
2. with one of his parents is a citizen
3 established 4 years residency and domestic league play.

I am super confident that player will be exempted.
It meets all the contextual requirements of granting an exception. (It's really not guess work). If one meets the 3 requirements above it basically demonstrates all the principles of allegiance to the country and demonstrates the person has adopted the country as home separate from basketball reasons .

As.in citizenship assessment, do not use others as reasons why one should be accepted or not, as it's case to case , there may be a detail of a specific case such as Jawato or Jerick that were not aware off. (Does not really work that way..)

I am pretty excited for M.Philipps, Zave Lucero and Chris Koon to be eventually classified as locals. These kids have the strongest case of becoming a local in my opinion, based on the criteria.

[carmelo7]

I am pretty excited for M.Philipps, Zave Lucero and Chris Koon to be eventually classified as locals. These kids have the strongest case of becoming a local in my opinion, based on the criteria.

It's Lucero because of his 1 and done status/case that seems unlikely to be provided exemption, oh well maybe after spending 5 years in the PBA? but im sure he'll get offers overseas 6'6 and plays like a poor man's Demar Derozan

[carmelo7]

The best ideal situation for exception, is Batang Gilas , college (like Spencer, Wright and Zain), all passports after 16 years old

You seem high on Balunggay all I've seen are his highlights during the NBTC games is he really a legit prospect
for Gilas? he's about 6'6 and could play 3&4 positions much like Lucero?

[DAdmiral]

You seem high on Balunggay all I've seen are his highlights during the NBTC games is he really a legit prospect
for Gilas? he's about 6'6 and could play 3&4 positions much like Lucero?

Between Philipps , Lucero and Ballungay, the latter is most fluid to play as a full time SF , and I think his outside shot is developed.
But I think the former 2 are better big men..

[carmelo7]

Between Philipps , Lucero and Ballungay, the latter is most fluid to play as a full time SF , and I think his outside shot is developed.
But I think the former 2 are better big men..

I see, actually he reminds me of a Abercrombie or am I reaching? Lol pero
those are really the type of guys we need, strong & quick guards/wings about 4-5 of them
Malonzo, Adams, Newsome, Ballungay, Koon, Dwight and although Philipps is more of a big than a wing but defensively he'll be fine covering those guards at the perimeter, Paras sana had he developed as expected but
To be very frank Im actually disappointed with Parks, i just thought at this stage of his career at 29 (prime) he'll be more assertive and be like the guy for Gilas esp last Fiba Asia considering he's one of the vets and the talent is there too.

[CoJ]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/sbp-chief-blames-tab-baldwin-for-gilas-situation-a2437-20220727?utm_source=Facebook-Spin&utm_medium=Ownshare&utm_campaign=20220727-fbnp-basketball-sbp-chief-blames-tab-baldwin-for-gilas-situation-a2437-20220727-fbfirst&fbclid=IwAR1l9f-aKYf2qM_KQEllcbxRjLRL_Hrduk7SB241VQ9JZwUjhVtNYHHRm5Y

Panlilio blames Tab for Gilas' problems

"Honestly, the predicament that we are in today is because of Tab," Panlilio strongly claimed. "We started losing players, he didn’t want to coach the February window, so as a federation we had to make decisions on how to move forward."

[carmelo7]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...wUjhVtNYHHRm5Y

Panlilio blames Tab for Gilas' problems

"Honestly, the predicament that we are in today is because of Tab," Panlilio strongly claimed. "We started losing players, he didn’t want to coach the February window, so as a federation we had to make decisions on how to move forward."

So what really happened was: SBP
overreacted and nagpanic Lol it was just 1 window and they decided to put on the "nationalism card" on Tab and blow the whole thing up like seriously???? Panlilio should just stay w/ the corporate side wtf

[Sikatrix]

So what really happened was: SBP
overreacted and nagpanic Lol it was just 1 window and they decided to put on the "nationalism card" on Tab and blow the whole thing up like seriously???? Panlilio should just stay w/ the corporate side wtf

I do think they really wanted him gone and him backing out of a window was a very convenient excuse.

[JAMSKIE]

So what really happened was: SBP
overreacted and nagpanic Lol it was just 1 window and they decided to put on the "nationalism card" on Tab and blow the whole thing up like seriously???? Panlilio should just stay w/ the corporate side wtf

It was only one window in which the college players of Gilas like Tamayo, Baltazar, Kouame, Dave Ildefonso, RJ Abarrientos, SJ Belangel didn't play for Gilas becoz the UAAP was ongoing, and yet Chot Reyes was saying that many of those players as well as those B-league players no longer wanted to play for the national team. Yet during the 3rd window & the recent 2022 FIBA Asia Cup, almost all of these players mentioned (except those who were injured) suited up for Gilas & they are expected to suit up in the 4th window as well.

Its very obvious that Choke Reyes is lying. Sinungaling talaga ang gago!