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  • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
    We have the same wishlist. Though I'm pretty sure Pogoy and Troy would probably be in the final lineup and Parks/Heading have zero chance of being invited again.
    Nice to see. Hopefully it's true for the most part.

    Pogoy over Heading/Parks, and Troy over Oftana and Navarro, I reckon. Bloody hope not.

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    • Originally posted by IPC View Post
      I consider Dwight and Wright as off-guards, not small forwards.

      Anyways, here's my 12:

      Guards: Kiefer, Bolick, Dwight, (Clarkson), Heading/Parks
      Wings: Thirdy, Oftana, Navarro
      Forwards: Tamayo, Baltazar
      Bigs: Kai, (Kouame), AJ
      math tho was trying to anticipate what chot will tho thus those guys being listed as SFs haha

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      • Originally posted by dubidub View Post
        math tho was trying to anticipate what chot will tho thus those guys being listed as SFs haha
        Ayun na nga, e. Chot still likes those 3-guard lineups. At least Dwight and Wright are around the 6'4" range, so they can pass as FIBA-size SFs, especially in the case of Dwight, who has the strength.

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        • Originally posted by IPC View Post
          Ayun na nga, e. Chot still likes those 3-guard lineups. At least Dwight and Wright are around the 6'4" range, so they can pass as FIBA-size SFs, especially in the case of Dwight, who has the strength.
          Originally posted by IPC View Post
          Ayun na nga, e. Chot still likes those 3-guard lineups. At least Dwight and Wright are around the 6'4" range, so they can pass as FIBA-size SFs, especially in the case of Dwight, who has the strength.
          Wright get's easily pushed around on defense, that's why I don't really want him in the lineup unless he strictly plays as an off guard but it's too late to develop him to that archetype, Dwight and Thirdy's strength don't really allow them to be decent perimeter defenders especially when you're against countries who have 6'7-6'9 wingers especially those Koreans and Iranians(that's a good 5+ inches you're giving up if you play Thirdy at that position or 3+ inches with Dwight, that is very very rough on the defensive end), they're only really good when a similar sized guard is cutting to the rim, you've got to have hair in your brain to still think Dwight/Thirdy or Wright/Pogoy rotation at the 2-3 with a midget guard at 1 would work out against any team that isn't Indonesia or Thailand.

          To me both players at the 2-3 should be STRICTLY STRICTLY 6'4 and above, if you're 6'4 your footspeed better be decent because you're already relatively small for your position, if you're 6'7 or taller then you got to peg your game to what you'll go up against(Hyunjung Lee, Watanabe, Kahbahrami or anyone the Chinese puts at the 3).

          Situationally, if going up against Korea, China, Iran or Japan(if they send their A teams), I'd always have a rotation of Tamayo-Baltazar-Navarro at the 3-4, Navarro would strictly be playing the 3, those 3 teams historically have the personnel to not need to sacrifice length for anything and they still managed to kill Gilas many times they faced while we celebrate like there's no tomorrow for an outlier victory/lightning in a bottle.

          For New Zealand, Dominican Republic or any real small ball countries who do not have the personnel to play tall, switchability would be key but still you'd be dumb to think you can sacrifice length against these teams because these teams can produce good quality 6'1+ guards and 6'4+ forwards who'll outpower, blowby and play around any <6'1, weaker, offense oriented pinoy guards you'll play against them. If I were to match their style with pinoy personnel, I would put an Ildefonso(6'4)-Dwight(6'4.5)-Ray Parks(6'4) rotation at the 2-3, Thirdy as a 1-2 and Kiefer strictly as a 1. I imagine a lineup of Ramos-Ildefonso-Parks-Baltazar-Tamayo could play a game similar to the Argentinians. In Asian level we should try our best to emulate the Koreans, these guys are tall, admittedly slower footed in their forward positions but their guards are at par with pinoy guards imo, as a team they make up for their deficiencies with ball movement.

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          • If Jordan Clarkson turns out to be our NP, as hard as it is I would cut Thirdy from the final roster so I can have both Clarkson and BRP play strictly as off guards along with Ildefonso and Dwight moonlighting as a 1 with Kiefer as our sole pure pg(the Campazzo role of this team for me).

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            • Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post
              If Jordan Clarkson turns out to be our NP, as hard as it is I would cut Thirdy from the final roster so I can have both Clarkson and BRP play strictly as off guards along with Ildefonso and Dwight moonlighting as a 1 with Kiefer as our sole pure pg(the Campazzo role of this team for me).
              I honestly would rather have Thirdy than Dave. He always seemed lost in the scheme of things during his last tour of duty. Back at NU, his decision making has also often been head-scratching.

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              • Originally posted by dubidub View Post
                I honestly would rather have Thirdy than Dave. He always seemed lost in the scheme of things during his last tour of duty. Back at NU, his decision making has also often been head-scratching.
                I thought I read Dave lol disregard post my bad lol

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                • Originally posted by dubidub View Post
                  I honestly would rather have Thirdy than Dave. He always seemed lost in the scheme of things during his last tour of duty. Back at NU, his decision making has also often been head-scratching.
                  Nanalo ang Gilas laban sa KSA pero sino ba talaga ang mga players na maganda ang inilaro? Kapansin pansin ang maraming 3 points ni Justin Baltazar pero maram...


                  I'd base Dave's potential on what was shown in the King Abdullah Cup when he plays against taller players and a real challenge. To me it seems like although Thirdy has more upsides currently, Dave can be a much better point guard(even just moonlighting at that position). He does seem to have better decision making than Thirdy.

                  Thirdy's upsides: slashing, defense
                  Dave's upsides: reading of the game, shooting

                  I'd, choose Dave because I only want 1 small point guard in the lineup and Dave would be a better reliever, I expect this debate to heat up if ever this 2 are in the same pool again with Clarkson in the picture.

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                  • Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AFJz0jo4AQ

                    I'd base Dave's potential on what was shown in the King Abdullah Cup when he plays against taller players and a real challenge. To me it seems like although Thirdy has more upsides currently, Dave can be a much better point guard(even just moonlighting at that position). He does seem to have better decision making than Thirdy.

                    Thirdy's upsides: slashing, defense
                    Dave's upsides: reading of the game, shooting

                    I'd, choose Dave because I only want 1 small point guard in the lineup and Dave would be a better reliever, I expect this debate to heat up if ever this 2 are in the same pool again with Clarkson in the picture.
                    In the long run, I'd agree Dave is the better prospect by far. But I feel Thirdy would be the better choice come 2023. But in the long run, I'd agree Dave would be the smart choice.

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                    • Originally posted by dubidub View Post
                      In the long run, I'd agree Dave is the better prospect by far. But I feel Thirdy would be the better choice come 2023. But in the long run, I'd agree Dave would be the smart choice.
                      big reason why I'd choose thirdy over dave for 2023 is that thirdy has been playing against grown men the past 2 years over at the bleague. he's also shouldering considerable responsibility being an import. dave on the other hand hasn't been doing much the past 2 years. anyway, just my 2 cents.

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                      • Originally posted by dubidub View Post
                        big reason why I'd choose thirdy over dave for 2023 is that thirdy has been playing against grown men the past 2 years over at the bleague. he's also shouldering considerable responsibility being an import. dave on the other hand hasn't been doing much the past 2 years. anyway, just my 2 cents.
                        Sensible choice considering the time frame, so I agree there. Perhaps we'll see Dave's turn in the role that we want in the same time na hinog na rin sila Lopez at Harris.

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                        • Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post
                          Sensible choice considering the time frame, so I agree there. Perhaps we'll see Dave's turn in the role that we want in the same time na hinog na rin sila Lopez at Harris.
                          Most definitely. That would be a tall and physical 2/3 rotation. Hopefully, Dave too would be able to defend the 1. More than the playmaking, I worry about his ability to defend opposing 1s.

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                          • Originally posted by robert0326
                            Nag-aaway pa kayo eh Dave and Thirdy will be possible in because Parks will not ever join Gilas under Chot now... That's why we should move on already on Parks...
                            I think Thirdy will be in.

                            It is Dave who will be in question.

                            Swings will be occupied by Dwight, Thirdy, and probably JC as NP. And in PBA, I think Coach Chot will pick Wright and Oftana over Dave. Heck, maybe even Pogoy.lol

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                            • Originally posted by robert0326
                              Dwight, Thirdy, Dave, et al.., can duplicate what Parks can bring for Gilas... Talent per talent, Parks is the best choice after JC, but his commitment is very questionable.. He's not even talking about Gilas updates today eh... He wants to be alone already..

                              It does seems that the torch had been passed.

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                              • Now, Let's Talk about the Bigs.

                                Non Pba - Kai, AJ, Kouame (This is obvious)

                                But who is 1 Pba Big that should be really in the Final 12 for 2023. I made a simple poll in AJEF fb group. These are the choices

                                Japeth, Junmar, Ian, Erram, Almazan, Chua

                                It turns out to be just Japeth VS JMF


                                Most voters picked Japeth. And I agree, not because I am a ginebra Fan.

                                But like majority said, Junmar, is a big liability in pnr. Plus, he doesnt fit with Coach Chot's System. At least Japeth have some mobility and athleticism for the modern game. AND he is playing well this days.

                                Coach Chot's Prefer Mobile Bigs:

                                (Kai, AJ, Kouame, Japeth) will be a Mobile Frontcourt.

                                In the event of JC being our NP though, then JMF can be chosen

                                (Kai, AJ, Japeth JMF)Frontcourt

                                PS: Do We Consider Balti, Tamayo, and Troy as Bigs? I consider them as Forwards Kasi

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