Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[ja.he]

My problem with Thirdy as SG is his outside shooting. Yes he shot well against NZ but isn't that a bit lucky for him? Has his 3FG% improved in San En?

2020-21: 27.3%
2021-22: 27%

Nothing change but I hope he improves it. His shooting form is whacked. This maybe the reason of his awful 3pt % in B.League.

[IPC]

Look at this fucking lineup: https://imgur.com/gallery/QW4a9Bg

5'10-6'6-6'7-6'7-6'10 all amateurs and Tab had enough faith to play them against a rugged Indonesian team wacking and hacking them. It's god damn infuriating that Chute Reyes would probably still rely on a his favorite Pogoy-Rosario frontcourt tandem and unano ball 3-guard lineup against teams like Vietnam and Malaysia fucking lol. Just can't give out enough Ls.

id love to see a kai, tamayo, baltazar, dwight, and thirdy 5 in stretches.

I only hope we use Tab's tall lineups in this WC. We'll need it to defend and even slow down the pace. It's also good for versatility and switchability. Hope Chot can see the value of having multiple 6'5"-6'7" players who can switch and guard multiple positions.

[Rds]

2020-21: 27.3%
2021-22: 27%

Nothing change but I hope he improves it. His shooting form is whacked. This maybe the reason of his awful 3pt % in B.League.

This is why Im not too sold on Thirdy as SG. Against NZ he has unli shots but when we revert to a more disciplined system he needs to be more efficient in the 3, which he is not. He is a good defender but he is too small to guard the bigger international SFs.

[IPC]

This is why Im not too sold on Thirdy as SG. Against NZ he has unli shots but when we revert to a more disciplined system he needs to be more efficient in the 3, which he is not. He is a good defender but he is too small to guard the bigger international SFs.

He will need to play either alongside Dwight or a bigger SF that can shoot so as not to sacrifice length and defense. Alongside Oftana or Baltazar, probably.

But knowing Chot, he'll just have two guards + Thirdy.

[lurklurk]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/two-more-players-up-for-consideration-in-15-man-gilas-line-up-for-sea-games-a795-20220309

GILAS Pilipinas coach Chot Reyes has added two players that will be up for consideration for the Final 15 that will be part of the national team bound for the 31st Southeast Asian Games in Hanoi, Vietnam.

PBA commissioner Willie Marcial met with Reyes during a meeting after TNT’s game against Terrafirma on Wednesday to discuss the Gilas Pilipinas roster since the deadline of submission of names for the biennial meet is on March 12.

With the PBA board officially giving the green light to take part in the SEA Games, Marcial said he is now in the process of speaking to the players on Reyes’ wish list to complete the 15 on the national team roster.

Two more players who were not on the original 30 on Reyes’ wish list are now being considered to be part of the Final 15, according to Marcial.

“Kailangan makausap ko na ‘yung players ngayon kung okay sila sa schedule. Halos isang buwan ‘yun na magpa-practice sila sa April, dere-derecho na tapos punta na sa Hanoi,” said Marcial after his meeting with Reyes.

“Kung hindi sila libre at may commitment sila, papalitan agad namin,” Marcial added.

[live_evil]

He will need to play either alongside Dwight or a bigger SF that can shoot so as not to sacrifice length and defense. Alongside Oftana or Baltazar, probably.

But knowing Chot, he'll just have two guards + Thirdy.

Knowing Chot, he'll have Pogoy! haha If he could clone Pogoy then better! An all-Pogoy line up for World Cup domination!

[DAdmiral]

Isnt it the same case with Thirdy in a lesser extent.

I know Thirdy have better length and athleticism.

But is he good enough to play like PG? I feel his skillset is SF too. He is not like his Kuya Kiefer in terms of handling and playmaking

What is even Thirdy's real Height, Is that 6'3 Height measurement by b league accurate?

Having said that, For me thirdy should be in the pool based on his performance on fiba windows he joined

The thing is Thirdy with his true length (not height ) and athleticism defensively is a legit SF at least at the elite Asia Pacific level (maybe just exclude Australia), even include South America teams like PR and DR , he's decent length and speed and strength defensively at 3

[DAdmiral]

6'2-6'3 is still decent size for a SG in FIBA. Thirdy's slashing and defensive abilities qualify him to be a shooting guard. Many of SG's of his size play in FIBA effectively. Many of them come from Latin Americas.

Correct, the 2 and 3 have to be interchangeable, so no point if you put beside Thirdy a Pinoy guard like CJ or Pogoy that's too small . Bit if you put Thirdy and Dwight playing 2 and 3 interchangeable, that's OK at least for 2nd tier world level teams (top 12 to 24).

there is a difference between being legit interchangable at 2 and 3 spot with being interchangable at the 1 and 2 spot . (guys like CJ and Pogoy are interchangable at 1 and 2 defensively but not 2 and 3) . additionally this is the danger of using a PG who cannot guard 2's too small. it's good Kiefer can guard some 2's .. but it's terrible if you striclty can only guard the 1 spot , too easy to exploit

same is also of the forward spots , if one can only guard a big traditional 4 and not a wing 3 , like Troy , that super exploitable

[IPC]

Correct, the 2 and 3 have to be interchangeable, so no point if you put beside Thirdy a Pinoy guard like CJ or Pogoy that's too small . Bit if you put Thirdy and Dwight playing 2 and 3 interchangeable, that's OK at least for 2nd tier world level teams (top 12 to 24).

there is a difference between being legit interchangable at 2 and 3 spot with being interchangable at the 1 and 2 spot . (guys like CJ and Pogoy are interchangable at 1 and 2 defensively but not 2 and 3) . additionally this is the danger of using a PG who cannot guard 2's too small. it's good Kiefer can guard some 2's .. but it's terrible if you striclty can only guard the 1 spot , too easy to exploit

same is also of the forward spots , if one can only guard a big traditional 4 and not a wing 3 , like Troy , that super exploitable

So that's why guys like Dwight, Navarro, Oftana, and Baltazar, even Tamayo, are crucial, especially on defense. These guys can switch and guard multiple positions.

I hope Chot realizes this. FIBA is different from the PBA. You won't be sacrificing much speed if you put Navarro or Oftana at 3, especially if Thirdy and Dwight (who I think are as fast as any off-guard) are there at 2. It's OK to sacrifice a speed advantage, that's what a system is for, to get others open. What we cannot sacrifice is defensive ability, which we will if we keep insisting on Pinoy small ball.

[CoJ]

Knowing Chot, he'll have Pogoy! haha If he could clone Pogoy then better! An all-Pogoy line up for World Cup domination!

back in 2016 we were alll amazed by Pogoy but after 6 years (2022), he (along with troy) became the epitome of everything wrong in Philippine basketball players

[mapuakid]

back in 2016 we were alll amazed by Pogoy but after 6 years (2022), he (along with troy) became the epitome of everything wrong in Philippine basketball players

They got exposed playing against elite asian and world-level teams.
They were supposed to be dhonts2.0 and rdo2.0, respectively but sadly they weren’t.

[CoJ]

They got exposed playing against elite asian and world-level teams.
They were supposed to be dhonts2.0 and rdo2.0, respectively but sadly they weren’t.

aside from being exposed, they developed bad habits in the PBA. It also appears that they had minimal development from 2016, both are bad FIBA level shooters as well

[ja.he]

Correct, the 2 and 3 have to be interchangeable, so no point if you put beside Thirdy a Pinoy guard like CJ or Pogoy that's too small . Bit if you put Thirdy and Dwight playing 2 and 3 interchangeable, that's OK at least for 2nd tier world level teams (top 12 to 24).

there is a difference between being legit interchangable at 2 and 3 spot with being interchangable at the 1 and 2 spot . (guys like CJ and Pogoy are interchangable at 1 and 2 defensively but not 2 and 3) . additionally this is the danger of using a PG who cannot guard 2's too small. it's good Kiefer can guard some 2's .. but it's terrible if you striclty can only guard the 1 spot , too easy to exploit

same is also of the forward spots , if one can only guard a big traditional 4 and not a wing 3 , like Troy , that super exploitable

aside from being exposed, they developed bad habits in the PBA. It also appears that they had minimal development from 2016, both are bad FIBA level shooters as well

RR Pogoy and Troy Rosario don't have the physique to enable them to compete against bigger players. in contrast, Thirdy is built like a pitbull with athleticism and longer arm span to compensate his 189 cm (6'2) frame. he can be the Gilas version of Marcus Smart.

[IPC]

They got exposed playing against elite asian and world-level teams.
They were supposed to be dhonts2.0 and rdo2.0, respectively but sadly they weren’t.

Thanks for the service, but we now have better options at SG, SF, and PF. Better to have guys like Thirdy, Dwight, Oftana, and Navarro at SG/SF, and Tamayo and Balti at PF.

[ja.he]

To be fair, those two are not playing 100% last qualifiers, they are still nursing injuries from their PBA stint.. So let us be nice parin on them.. Lower the expectations on them.. And they will be not our main man in future FIBA tournaments.. they will be lucky if they will get some playing time.. Last window, Pogoy were outplayed by Dwight and Thirdy.. I'm sure Troy will be benched if Tamayo and Baltazar were suit up last window..

I will pick Heading over Pogoy anytime. Heading might have some deficiencies in defense but he can compensate it with his offense. Also, Heading defensive shortcomings can be hid if paired to players like Dwight Ramos or Calvin Oftana.