Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[analyzed]

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So priority now should be on players who will be at peak in 2023 and players who reasonably can be available for a prolonged preperation (not PBA players)

[JAMSKIE]

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So priority now should be on players who will be at peak in 2023 and players who reasonably can be available for a prolonged preperation (not PBA players)

Of course bro.

SBP must also look beyond 2023, specialy since we won't get automatic qualification on 2027 FIBA World cup. We wud need to get as many wins as possible in the qualifying windows of 2027 FIBA World Cup. The thing is, guys like Kiefer, Perez, Pogoy, Junmar, Wright, Parks, CStand, Almazan won' be that young anymore post 2023 World Cup. So its also a must for SBP to envision young guys like Tamayo Demisana, Basti Reyes, Francis Lopez, Anonuevo, Lowell Briones, Jr. & others for future Gilas cadet pool

[digitalsuperman]

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So priority now should be on players who will be at peak in 2023 and players who reasonably can be available for a prolonged preperation (not PBA players)

yes correct as it should be. preparation is the key.

[IshmaelM]

Not banking on Kai being available on Feb. And I think Kouame is 50 50. So we need mobile bigs from the PBA. Japeth, CS and Erram come to mind.

For the guards, Wright, Parks, Pogoy, Perez, Kiefer. This Kiefers chance to show he still has it. Moccon would have been good too. But at 6'3 he is a bit small for SF.

Of course this is a pool. Not all PBA players are guaranteed to make the 12 or 15 man cut.

[mapuakid]

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen

PHI 31/6
JPN 41/8
INA 89/16

[analyzed]

Not banking on Kai being available on Feb. And I think Kouame is 50 50. So we need mobile bigs from the PBA. Japeth, CS and Erram come to mind.

For the guards, Wright, Parks, Pogoy, Perez, Kiefer. This Kiefers chance to show he still has it. Moccon would have been good too. But at 6'3 he is a bit small for SF.

Of course this is a pool. Not all PBA players are guaranteed to make the 12 or 15 man cut.

In case both Kai and Kouame are not available for Feb, i think Japeth would be my pick for reinforcements , of course i'm not sure if he's available or willing either , Standhardinger would be another prospect

[PaVi]

Considering that we are guaranteed slots, we only need one reinforced game to guarantee our GILAS joining the FIBA ASIA tournament proper. Afterwhich, it should be all amateur or gilas amateur with 2 pba pros.

We need to strengthen our boys so it would be an exercise in futility if we will get 3 or more pba players to be part of the Gilas team.

[IPC]

If we want to change how games are being played in the PH, it has to start with TNT. ADMU has done their part in the collegiate ranks. Imagine the impact of a professional team playing the right way. If TNT can't beat midget teams like Magnolia and GSM then nothing will change.

Might be childish but as a team, I BLAME TNT. They've been given the right players (romeo, castro, pogoy, troy, brp, tautua, mgr, erram), coaches (baldwin, dickel, sandy, nash, jong etc) and playing opportunities to showcase the right way, but they still can't deliver.

Agreed, they can't deliver. Sure, it's bad luck with injuries, but still, they can't deliver and exploit Ginebra's weaknesses in the Finals. Ginebra looked more like a team than them. If TNT can't deliver, maybe Ginebra's the next-best thing with their small ball lineup and team play. As for the small-ball aspect, I hope only the wings at the 4 aspect is looked at, not the 3-guard lineup.

Another thing about TNT, their system has tended to limit their bigs, and this is a cause for concern. I've said this before in this thread, and in the 2020 All-Filipino Cup thread, if I remember correctly. The way they play makes their bigs almost one-dimensional, it stunts their growth, as they're limited to stretch bigs and/or rebounders, not exactly combo forwards. It's a far cry from how RDO operated. Their offense stunted Mo. Once Mo got traded, he looks like he's more of an RDO play-alike than Troy is.

I really hope RDO can do something with Troy and Erram to make them effective in the international level and develop them into more of combo forwards, not just stretch bigs offensively. Especially Troy. He's been hella disappointing, even though he performed well in big games last season. Not really an elite finisher, not a consistent shooter, not as versatile as RDO, and not a good defender. That should change. Hope RDO can change that. And hope Troy works on his D.

I dearly hope a pro team can change the way the game is played here so that we can build a lineup that can compete internationally in 2023 and beyond. Small-ball concepts, proper small-ball 4s (specifically wings, and hopefully properly sized as well), developing taller players to be combo forwards, and emphasis on team play. Hope a pro team can serve as a model in terms of lineup and system.

I feel Ginebra and Phoenix could teach teams a thing or two about playing the 4-spot and developing 4-men as wings. Small-ball concepts Hopefully, there will come a time that taller wings (6'5" and above) can play as legit small-ball 4s. They could teach teams about team play as well. That is especially important if we're to beat structured teams like Sokor and Iran. What's missing from them is properly-sized lineups.

If a pro team consistently wins with a properly-sized lineup for international competition, whether big or small, and can incorporate team basketball into their systems, that can suffice as a model for our other teams to develop a style fit for international play.

[IPC]

First of all, they need (Erram and Troy) to gain weight (muscle wise, not fat wise) to be not bullied by physical players likes of Perkins, JDV, Abueva, etc.. They're soft as marshmallows.. Parks is more tougher than them.. They have skills, but too soft on physicality.. Then work on their footwork in this off-season..4 months is very long for them to improve that.. This is the 1st time (except pandemic season this year) that they have real (and long) off season for them.. After holiday season, They should work on their weaknesses..

Yeah, the two of them need to train to be more useful for TNT, and also for Gilas. However, TNT's system needs to accommodate them better and diversify their plays. For example, using Troy in bully-ball situations, like they did against Aljon. Troy also needs to improve his D.

If TNT wants a modern offense to catch on, it has to win in the PBA. Right now, Ginebra just had a better system, and I feel that it can win in the international setting (except for the undersized lineup part). It has modern elements as well. So does Phoenix. As long as any of these teams are winning, it's kind of a step in the right direction in terms of system.

Lineups are a different story. Gilas will need bigger and more versatile lineups than what Ginebra and Phoenix trot out. They have the right idea when it comes to small ball, but to compete internationally, Gilas will need bigger versions of their small-ball lineups, especially at the 3 and 4 spots.

[dubidub]

Possible pool for 2023
Big Men
Sotto 7 2
Salughter 7 0
Koaume 6 10 (naturalized)
Fajardo 6 10
Edu 6 9
Aguilar 6 8
Isaac Go 6 7
Rosario 6 6

Wing Men
Paras 6 6
Baltazar 6 8
Tamayo 6 8
De Liano 6 5
Wright 6 3

Guards
Clarkson 6 5(naturalized)
Ramos 6 5
Parks 6 3
Ravena 6 2
Perez 6 1
De Liano 6 3

Any other people worth including?

I would include Bolick, Pogoy, Kiefer (honestly I'd pick him over Thirdy if it went down to that), Mcculough as a possible naturalized player, Oftana, and Navarro. I also think Scottie merits consideration.

[mathematicianrcg]

Many players development can happen in 2022-2023.

I bet that time, our lineup will be a lot different

[IPC]

Possible pool for 2023
Big Men
Sotto 7 2
Salughter 7 0
Koaume 6 10 (naturalized)
Fajardo 6 10
Edu 6 9
Aguilar 6 8
Isaac Go 6 7
Rosario 6 6

Wing Men
Paras 6 6
Baltazar 6 8
Tamayo 6 8
Navarro 6 5
De Liano 6 5
Oftana 6 5
Mccluogh 6 9 (naturalized)
Wright 6 3

Guards
Clarkson 6 5(naturalized)
Ramos 6 5
Parks 6 3
Ravena 6 2
Perez 6 1
Pogoy 6 2
Bolick 6 0
Thompson 6 0
Ravena 5 11
De Liano 6 3

Any other people worth including?

Really hope Tab takes on Baltazar and Tamayo as project wings and they successfully make the transition. Man, that would be refreshing for Philippine basketball. Hopefully, they get used as versatile and switchable players instead of being just glued to the post outside of Gilas. If they do play the 5, hope they do so in a Danny Seigle/Kerby Raymundo/JDV capacity.

If they do, hope other 6'6"-6'8" guys follow suit and start out with a perimeter skillset.

[mathematicianrcg]

Still, it 's good to list candidates so we can go back to it

Then, I will make my list which I think will make the Gilas lineup 2023.

BIGS

KAI SOTTO
AJ EDU

WINGS

DWIGHT RAMOS
KOBE PARAS

GUARDS

JORDAN CLARKSON
RAY PARKS
CJ PEREZ

I gonna reserve my point guards. I am still not sure who are the Right PGs that can maximize our Bigs.

Troy,Tamayo,Quiambao, dave i, ravena brothers, tuffin, etc will be fighting for minutes.

Wright, Pogoyz Japeth, and JMF in Pba if they did not regress too much, they can still be in consideration.

[IPC]

Then, I will make my list which I think will make the Gilas lineup 2023.

BIGS

KAI SOTTO
AJ EDU

WINGS

DWIGHT RAMOS
KOBE PARAS

GUARDS

JORDAN CLARKSON
RAY PARKS
CJ PEREZ

I gonna reserve my point guards. I am still not sure who are the Right PGs that can maximize our Bigs.

Troy,Tamayo,Quiambao, dave i, ravena brothers, tuffin, etc will be fighting for minutes.

Wright, Pogoyz Japeth, and JMF in Pba if they did not regress too much, they can still be in consideration.

Hopefully, Edu gets healthy and proves that he's not going to be damaged goods in the future. Hope he can will it so that he can be serviceable for us in the future. In the meantime, let's keep looking for bigs who can take over for him.

Injuries suck.

[IPC]

I just feel that Junmar gets the job done mainly becoz of his power game with not much finesse. Yet try to match-up Junmar against equally tall, hefty & physical big man & I bet he would be less effective. I've seen Espino on the other hand being ranged against equally tall (or even taller) big men who are also tough & physical, yet Espino was able to get the job done. That's becoz Espino had more finesse in his game compared to Junmar

Decided to reply here in lieu of the Seniors thread because I felt it's kinda more fitting until the Seniors thread is unlocked or a new one is made.

June Mar actually did well against teams like Kazakhstan and Australia. The main problems were that he he wasn't given the ball a lot, and that he didn't demand the ball as much (in fact kinda passive).

But against bigger teams, he relied heavily on drop passes and putbacks. He's skilled, but he's not skilled enough to go against bigger players, OK. But, he's still a good scoring option. He just needs to get the ball. He takes too few shots.