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  • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
    Analytics (Shot Selection)

    Nowadays, basketball is run by analytics. There is one stat that what we called " Expected Points per possession". I will list it from most efficient to least efficient

    1. Cut - Obviously, this is always a free and easy shot at the rim.

    2.Transition - or what we call fastbreak. Usually it is an open shot, or you have more numbers than the opponent.

    3.Roll Man - The Big guy rolling in a pick and roll. Obviously, this is always a mismatch advantage as Small man will rotate to the big man.

    4. Spot Up Shooter - Staying and waiting at the corners usually for a free three point shot.

    5. OFF Screen - Shot coming from a screen.

    6. Isolation - 1 on 1 moves ala Terrence Romeo or Kyrie Irving.

    7. Handoff - Shot Coming from a handoff usually from a big or screener.

    8. Post up - Yes, this is how inefficient Post up if we will based it in analytics.

    It also shows that Postup and Midrange are the most inefficient shots. And Shots at the rim(Obviously) and three point shots in more efficient.

    So, how do we apply these???

    Do we need to abandon postup and midrange game????

    Of course not. Kai and Aj strengths are in the post and midrange actually.

    We need to surround them with shooters and slashers. That way, Kai's passing will be maximize

    And of course play good defense. You must also notice that we must not give up Cuts and Transition, and Shots at the rim that easily. As those are the most easiest shots (Using analytics)



    https://shottracker.com/articles/the-endangered-post-up
    The PBA really needs to use this kind of analytics. However, there still needs to be a balance between analytics and playing to the team's strengths. If the analytics don't favor a player's strengths, then there's a small chance that it will work. A really small chance.

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    • Originally posted by IPC View Post
      The PBA really needs to use this kind of analytics. However, there still needs to be a balance between analytics and playing to the team's strengths. If the analytics don't favor a player's strengths, then there's a small chance that it will work. A really small chance.
      When Alaska was coached by Alex Compton, he had a deputy (Paul Layog) who was in charge of analyticsl, i think this is one of the few instances that the local league had utilized moneyball in coaching.


      I think the Gin Kings are still utilizing their analytics staff hence the improved gameplay and ball movement of Ginebra (https://www.bworldonline.com/sports-...moneyball-era/)

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      • Originally posted by CoJ View Post
        When Alaska was coached by Alex Compton, he had a deputy (Paul Layog) who was in charge of analyticsl, i think this is one of the few instances that the local league had utilized moneyball in coaching.


        I think the Gin Kings are still utilizing their analytics staff hence the improved gameplay and ball movement of Ginebra (https://www.bworldonline.com/sports-...moneyball-era/)
        It would be interesting if they set up a statistics table for the success rate of the play types. For players and for teams. Something the public can see. Like the NBA does with their advanced stats, points per play type, etc.

        Well, that explains Ginebra's higher three-point attempt rate this season. Plus, they've been leading the PBA in 3PT% for a while, so why not take more?

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        • amongst the locals the likes of Raven Cortez and Gio Chiu is my candidate to fill-up those intangibles..I always been a fan of these two kids ever since their stint in the Batang Gilas team and some UAAAP Jr games, they haven't had the skills of a Kai Sotto and a Carl Tamayo but I've seen some potentials on those two lads if given the proper training and motivation. I've seen Raven as my Nic Belasco who had the motor and reflexes to do that cut and slide play everytime the good old SMB team of the two Danny's played against the Alvarado-Menk-Hatfield Tanduay side during those late 90's and early 2000 era of the PBA..Gio Chiu as my Freddie Abuda who had that defensive aura that even the great Sean Chambers, Alvin Patrimonio and Eric Menk can attest every time they play against SMB during that time, a good nose for the ball especially on a 50/50 ball and that piso piso shot from the baseline and from the mid range that is money in the bank hence that makes coach Freddie endears to many basketball fans during that time..I hope Gio can pattern his game on him it ain't fancy, no frills just plain straight up basketball.

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          • Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post
            amongst the locals the likes of Raven Cortez and Gio Chiu is my candidate to fill-up those intangibles..I always been a fan of these two kids ever since their stint in the Batang Gilas team and some UAAAP Jr games, they haven't had the skills of a Kai Sotto and a Carl Tamayo but I've seen some potentials on those two lads if given the proper training and motivation. I've seen Raven as my Nic Belasco who had the motor and reflexes to do that cut and slide play everytime the good old SMB team of the two Danny's played against the Alvarado-Menk-Hatfield Tanduay side during those late 90's and early 2000 era of the PBA..Gio Chiu as my Freddie Abuda who had that defensive aura that even the great Sean Chambers, Alvin Patrimonio and Eric Menk can attest every time they play against SMB during that time, a good nose for the ball especially on a 50/50 ball and that piso piso shot from the baseline and from the mid range that is money in the bank hence that makes coach Freddie endears to many basketball fans during that time..I hope Gio can pattern his game on him it ain't fancy, no frills just plain straight up basketball.
            Geo may have to work on his mobility. He had a bit of baby fat last I saw him play. Hope he can develop into at least a serviceable player for Gilas by being a good interior presence.

            As for Cortez, hope he's working on his recovery. Has to suck getting back from a couple knee injuries. He's kinda mobile. Hope he can play at least similar to Tamayo and Quiambao.

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            • soon kobe will follow thirdy’s footsteps in japan

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              • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
                soon kobe will follow thirdy’s footsteps in japan

                https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/f...-abroad/194071
                Hope that part about Kobe will be legit.

                This should pave the way for our amateur players to go abroad. This window may serve as an opportunity for the young guys to get scouted, especially the GDL brothers, Kobe, Oftana, and Dave.

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                • Originally posted by TrueBluePinoy View Post
                  I get butterflies in my stomach thinking about this version of Gilas being the proponents of modern day small-ball in Asia. In a playoff format like the Asia Cup or World Cup, the team with the most versatility has the advantage.
                  Looks like we'll be using small-ball this window, as most of our prospective 4s are wings. Hope our versatile small-ball translates well, and hopefully we can develop this style of play as the windows go on.

                  This should become the template of Philippine basketball going forward. However, we must not neglect the importance of a big, strong frontline which is also versatile.

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                  • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                    Looks like we'll be using small-ball this window, as most of our prospective 4s are wings. Hope our versatile small-ball translates well, and hopefully we can develop this style of play as the windows go on.

                    This should become the template of Philippine basketball going forward. However, we must not neglect the importance of a big, strong frontline which is also versatile.

                    If small-ball is somewhat successful,what makes you believe that the people running things would ever go big.

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                    • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                      Looks like we'll be using small-ball this window, as most of our prospective 4s are wings. Hope our versatile small-ball translates well, and hopefully we can develop this style of play as the windows go on.

                      This should become the template of Philippine basketball going forward. However, we must not neglect the importance of a big, strong frontline which is also versatile.
                      We have Kai, AJ,maybe Sage, in the Future

                      They are just not available due to more important commitments

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                      • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                        If small-ball is somewhat successful,what makes you believe that the people running things would ever go big.
                        This is mostly about the 5-spot. I did say they should be versatile.

                        However, they do need to be big and strong enough to match up against opposing 5's.

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                        • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                          This is mostly about the 5-spot. I did say they should be versatile.

                          However, they do need to be big and strong enough to match up against opposing 5's.


                          Yeah,but why go big when they see that small ball works in some ways,we all seen that scenario so many times,if you wanna go big,then go big all the time,just to get this small ball mentality out of Pinoy basketball.

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                          • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post
                            Yeah,but why go big when they see that small ball works in some ways,we all seen that scenario so many times,if you wanna go big,then go big all the time,just to get this small ball mentality out of Pinoy basketball.
                            We'll have to focus on getting bigger at the 3 and 4 spots first. The small ball mentality is more prevalent there.

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                            • I think the best way to have our lineup is have Bigs but Versatile.

                              15 Man Pool

                              BIGS

                              Kai Sotto (7'2)

                              Junmar Fajardo (6'10)

                              Justin Baltazar (6'9)

                              AJ Edu (6'10)


                              FORWARDS

                              Carl Tamayo (6'7)

                              Kevin Quiambao (6'8)

                              Kobe Paras (6'6)

                              Troy Rosario (6'6)


                              WINGS

                              Ken Tuffin (6'4)

                              Jordan Clarkson (6'4)

                              Dave Ildefonso (6'5)

                              Dwight Ramos (6'5)


                              GUARDS

                              Thirdy Ravena (6'2)

                              Ray Parks (6'4)

                              CJ Perez (6'2)

                              (WINGS AND GUARDS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE)


                              RESERVES

                              Kiefer
                              Bolick
                              Juan Gomez De liano
                              Greg Slaighter
                              Sage Tolentino(IF)

                              I consider Analyzed Versatility point, and IPC Switchable point.

                              BUT WITHOUT SACRIFICING HEIGHT
                              Last edited by mathematicianrcg; 11-08-2020, 03:04 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                                I think the best way to have our lineup is have Bigs but Versatile.

                                15 Man Pool

                                BIGS

                                Kai Sotto (7'2)

                                Junmar Fajardo (6'10)

                                Justin Baltazar (6'9)

                                AJ Edu (6'10)


                                FORWARDS

                                Carl Tamayo (6'7)

                                Kevin Quiambao (6'8)

                                Kobe Paras (6'6)

                                Troy Rosario (6'6)


                                WINGS

                                Ken Tuffin (6'4)

                                Jordan Clarkson (6'4)

                                Dave Ildefonso (6'5)

                                Dwight Ramos (6'5)


                                GUARDS

                                Thirdy Ravena (6'2)

                                Ray Parks (6'4)

                                CJ Perez (6'2)

                                (WINGS AND GUARDS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE)


                                RESERVES

                                Kiefer
                                Bolick
                                Juan Gomez De liano
                                Greg Slaighter
                                Sage Tolentino(IF)

                                I consider Analyzed Versatility point, and IPC Switchable point.

                                BUT WITHOUT SACRIFICING HEIGHT
                                This is analytically sound - essentially there are 4 positions
                                Guards
                                wings
                                Swings (combo forward)
                                Bigs

                                to have players who can not play multiple positions e.g. Pure point or Power forward or a Small Forward who cannot defend the wing in the perimeter is severely limiting and a big disadvantage offensively and especially defensively
                                Last edited by analyzed; 11-08-2020, 09:30 PM.
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