Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[mathematicianrcg]

Wow. Interbasket is back.

A lot of arguments I missed.

Especially with playing minutes and positions.

But until we see the Final lineup. We can't correctly guess those things

[geohunk]

You think (junmar) being the 3rd top scorer for gilas was terrible while your best combo forward had 2 pts on 4 attempts? I feel bad that i have to point this out on troy but i have to set things straight for people who try to paint junmar as poor performing.

Still have to check on the 2019 details but as for the 2014 world cup, junmar at 9.6eff was the 2nd most efficient among all gilas. Our top stretch 4, ranidel was at 6.2. Japeth who analyzed regards as better than junmar had 1.5,. Jason Castro, regarded as our 2nd best player had 2.8 and was even a - 7.8, had an accumulated 26 pts on 30 attempts. And as bad as junmar was on the defensive end, he had close to 1 steal a game and averaged 0.6 blocks on 12.8 minutes a game, as opposed to japeth who accumulated 0 stls and 0 blks

Been away for awhile and shocked to find out interbasket is back online again..LOL! Anyways since you all love to talk about EFFICIENCY ratings and plus minus points etc., here is a quick and dirty look at that statline for the players in question. Lets compare both Japeth and Junmar (since they have consistently been our main 4 and 5 guys for the past decade) and everyone's "favorite" stretch 4 (yes he is only 6'5" not 6"7" like everyone else keeps claiming) who sometimes moonlights as a "try hard small forward" Troy Rosario. Now I only took performances for FIBA competitions in the last 2 to 3 years only since in the world of sports, "you're only as good as your last game", so NO, Junmar's 2014 performance is irrelevant since that was over 6 years ago. AND, I did not include the 2017 SEABA tournament since the level of competition there is ho-hum (myanmar, vietnam, singapore?? no offense to them, but c'mon now!), so we are only looking at high quality level of competition on the ASIAN and WORLD stage in the last 3 years. Sadly Troy only played in one tournament at this level.

So lets have a look at how effective really were our 2 main "resident" local bigs (minus Blatche of course) and Troy shall we:

JUNMAR:




JAPETH:




TROY:



Now remember EFF rating isn't the end all be all to gauge a player according to here:

PER doesn't account for a player's defense capabilities or his usage rate (which could either benefit or harm his numbers), so it doesn't really paint an accurate picture of a player's performance or his actual contributions to his team.

The total individual plus/minus point differential is another stat that is often criticized by basketball fans because the number fails to isolate the actual value of a specific player. Both statistics unquestionably have their flaws, but both PER and (team and individual) plus/minus differential can yield some reliable performance indicators when analyzed in tandem with other statistics.

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2013...s-heat-thunder



And yeah to put to rest the actual height of Troy, here's a side by side shot of him with Gabe, who is a legit 6'5" player. So it looks like Troy may even be 6'4" actually then, really undersized and thin as a FIBA power forward:



But of course like what Analyzed said, how much of an impact overall to the team does Troy have when he is on the floor in terms of spacing and flow of the team's offense and defense. Will that be enough to negate his physical deficiencies? Same can be said for both Junmar and Japeth.

[geohunk]

It's the match up bro.. This is not the PBA when he can dominate even he's not 100%.. This era now is small ball basketball, Enes Kanter, Dwight Howard type of player was still bench even they can contribute because they are liability in defense.. Think about it.. Di kaya ng sikmura ko kapag na switch si Junmar sa isang guard likes of Guo, Arakji, Webster, etc... he will eaten alive by this guards.. They know Junmar can't defend that type of situation.. Then all of suddenly you want him to give him atleast 10 mins of playing time? You watch naman siguro the game vs Korea last 2017 when Chot insert Junmar, ayun lumobo agad lamang.. Because they know Junmar's weaknesses.. Atleast Troy, Kobe can guard this players speed for speed because they have also quickness to hang on... But Junmar? Cmon dude!!! I know Junmar is a legend in the PBA.. but FIBA IS DIFFERENT ANIMAL DUDE...

Ahh that 2017 FIBA ASIA cup game against Korea. I think your memory of that game is cloudy, because Korea built that lead mostly when Junmar was sitting the bench. Though here are the timestamps of Junmar getting beaten either on the PnR play or on a one one drive:

https://youtu.be/5xuTbdi5AC0?t=766

https://youtu.be/5xuTbdi5AC0?t=871

https://youtu.be/5xuTbdi5AC0?t=2648

To be fair, Junmar only played 6 minutes, and Japeth and Standhardinger both had trouble protecting the rim and guarding those pick and rolls. Overall Gilas played horrible defense and Korea just shot the lights out.

[analyzed]

Been away for awhile and shocked to find out interbasket is back online again..LOL! Anyways since you all love to talk about EFFICIENCY ratings and plus minus points etc., here is a quick and dirty look at that statline for the players in question. Lets compare both Japeth and Junmar (since they have consistently been our main 4 and 5 guys for the past decade) and everyone's "favorite" stretch 4 (yes he is only 6'5" not 6"7" like everyone else keeps claiming) who sometimes moonlights as a "try hard small forward" Troy Rosario. Now I only took performances for FIBA competitions in the last 2 to 3 years only since in the world of sports, "you're only as good as your last game", so NO, Junmar's 2014 performance is irrelevant since that was over 6 years ago. AND, I did not include the 2017 SEABA tournament since the level of competition there is ho-hum (myanmar, vietnam, singapore?? no offense to them, but c'mon now!), so we are only looking at high quality level of competition on the ASIAN and WORLD stage in the last 3 years. Sadly Troy only played in one tournament at this level.

So lets have a look at how effective really were our 2 main "resident" local bigs (minus Blatche of course) and

But of course like what Analyzed said, how much of an impact overall to the team does Troy have when he is on the floor in terms of spacing and flow of the team's offense and defense. Will that be enough to negate his physical deficiencies? Same can be said for both Junmar and Japeth.

So Japeth EFf is better than JM?

[analyzed]

Bottom line is this,

Kobe and Troy cannot defend SF wings (FIBA world level)

Japeth cannot defend FIBA PFs (of course Junmar can't also), Troy can at least to a certain level, Kobe remains to be seen

There are 3 centers, Kai, AJ and Japeth who can rim protect and guard PNR center defense better than JM

So go figure.. How do use them!

Here is the thing how does one justify using a regressed Junmar at center for 10 min, when you have at your disposal a Kai and AJ who can easily cover the center role in a limited 40 min game

It's not like by using AJ at PF and some min for Kai at PF that they wil need to rest and have no choice for both to sit and not play center, there really is no need for a 3rd player to play center, but absolutely there is a need for a 3rd player to play PF aside from Kai and AJ

[ja.he]

Ahh that 2017 FIBA ASIA cup game against Korea. I think your memory of that game is cloudy, because Korea built that lead mostly when Junmar was sitting the bench. Though here are the timestamps of Junmar getting beaten either on the PnR play or on a one one drive:

https://youtu.be/5xuTbdi5AC0?t=766

https://youtu.be/5xuTbdi5AC0?t=871

https://youtu.be/5xuTbdi5AC0?t=2648

To be fair, Junmar only played 6 minutes, and Japeth and Standhardinger both had trouble protecting the rim and guarding those pick and rolls. Overall Gilas played horrible defense and Korea just shot the lights out.

Nope, the game swung in Korea's way when Chot inserted Junmar the final minutes. Before he entered the court, we are only trailing by around 1-3 points. We even had a seesaw battle with them.

Junmar entered the floor, Korea exploited the inability of Junmar to chase the pick-n-roll. By the end of the 1st quarter, the lead was up 8 in favor of Korea. This sealed the fate of Gilas that game.

We know that when Korea is up, they can hold on that lead.

These things do not reflect on the stat sheet but you can actually observe it by your naked eye. While Japeth's inept approach that game is noticeable, Junmar's slow reaction to the PNR made it worse.

[TheRodster21]

Nope, the game swung in Korea's way when Chot inserted Junmar the final minutes. Before he entered the court, we are only trailing by around 1-3 points. We even had a seesaw battle with them.

Junmar entered the floor, Korea exploited the inability of Junmar to chase the pick-n-roll. By the end of the 1st quarter, the lead was up 8 in favor of Korea. This sealed the fate of Gilas that game.

We know that when Korea is up, they can hold on that lead.

These things do not reflect on the stat sheet you can actually observe by your naked. While Japeth's inept approach that game is noticeable, Junmar's slow reaction to the PNR made it worse.

Also Japheth couldn’t guard the PNR either to the point the Korean Center had so many dunks. The pnr defense that game was horrible, they pretty much won off just simple pnr. Also perimeter defense was also atrocious

[ja.he]

Also Japheth couldn’t guard the PNR either to the point the Korean Center had so many dunks. The pnr defense that game was horrible, they pretty much won off just simple pnr. Also perimeter defense was also atrocious

Yeah, Japeth's presence of mind is always like that. My only point is that our fate in that game was totally sealed when Junmar entered the game. The first 3 out of 4 defensive sequences (when Korea made field goals) involves Junmar (first 4 defensive sequences when Junmar entered) in a PNR or PNP situation. These Korea's made field goals happened within the final 2 minutes (only) of the 1st quarter.

[tomcat]

If Kai and Aj are capable of defending the post against opposing bigmen who are a good post player then maybe Junemar Fajardo who is an above average post defender but a poor PNR defender will not be needed especially if Kouame will be granted an exemption to play for Philippines as local. For example, the Lakers needed Dwight Howard to guard Nikola Jokic who is an all around bigman(offense) and a good post-up player. Take note that most international teams especially European teams have bigmen with the same playing style of Jokic. We have seen how physical, strong and good low post bigmen bullied Japeth in the paint..

[Silent Killer]

If Kai and Aj are capable of defending the post against opposing bigmen who are a good post player then maybe Junemar Fajardo who is an above average post defender but a poor PNR defender will not be needed especially if Kouame will be granted an exemption to play for Philippines as local. For example, the Lakers needed Dwight Howard to guard Nikola Jokic who is an all around bigman(offense) and a good post-up player. Take note that most international teams especially European teams have bigmen with the same playing style of Jokic. We have seen how physical, strong and good low post bigmen bullied Japeth in the paint..

yeah, jokić had a hard time against the likes of dwight but his eyes light up when he saw davis guarding him..

[sajubeads]

Yeah, Japeth's presence of mind is always like that. My only point is that our fate in that game was totally sealed when Junmar entered the game. The first 3 out of 4 defensive sequences (when Korea made field goals) involves Junmar (first 4 defensive sequences when Junmar entered) in a PNR or PNP situation. These Korea's made field goals happened within the final 2 minutes (only) of the 1st quarter.

Ouch ang sakit mo magsalita, JF fandom will be butthurt...

[Alex07]

Junmar 9.6
Japeth 1.5

Japeth's eff rating is better than junmar maybe in FVP Leni's mathematics ^ ^

the lady did pass the bar exam to be that stupid. Before calling someone stupid,let's ask ourselves can we even make it that far? I dare anyone to try law school.

[mapuakid]

the lady did pass the bar exam to be that stupid. Before calling someone stupid,let's ask ourselves can we even make it that far? I dare anyone to try law school.

i don't know why some posters here are too confident to used foul/blasphemous words just to make the debate more relevant?

[ja.he]

[I] the lady did pass the bar exam to be that stupid. Before calling someone stupid,let's ask ourselves can we even make it that far? dare anyone to try law school.

I did. Haha

[Alex07]

I did. Haha

OT: sarap no? hahaha. it's very challenging surviving every year if you are in a very competitive school. What more if one passes the bar. Any person could make a mistake in any subtraction,multiplication etc. but to recite at least 7 provisions in front of your classmates in something else.It's like you are reciting with a gun on your face. I'm not here to insult anyone but I do hope we should stop looking down at people for one petty mistake, then ignoring the mistake of who ever one support if they does thousands of blunders.