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  • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post
    I think him and Dwight athletically are on par mainly because Dwight is heavier but I’d say right now Oftana is bouncier
    Yeah, maybe that's the right term, "bouncier". About Dwight, he isn't as athletic as I expected him to be. But its no big deal for me. Between skills & athleticism, I'll go for the former.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post
      I think him and Dwight athletically are on par mainly because Dwight is heavier but I’d say right now Oftana is bouncier
      Oftana is really athletic especially if you watch him live. He's just not displaying his athleticism like he used to because he diversified his skillset. Like my friend observed before mataas lang tumalon ngayon MVP candidate na. In Cignal's Dleague commercial he was the one who dunked because that's what he used to do best. He improved his skills and BBIQ.. for GILAS he could play the 2, 3 and even 4 in favourable situations. Paras might be more imposing and jumps higher but IMO Oftana is better in everything else right now.

      Haven't seen enough of Dwight though

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      • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
        Oftana is really athletic especially if you watch him live. He's just not displaying his athleticism like he used to because he diversified his skillset. Like my friend observed before mataas lang tumalon ngayon MVP candidate na. In Cignal's Dleague commercial he was the one who dunked because that's what he used to do best. He improved his skills and BBIQ.. for GILAS he could play the 2, 3 and even 4 in favourable situations. Paras might be more imposing and jumps higher but IMO Oftana is better in everything else right now.

        Haven't seen enough of Dwight though
        Very much agree with the Paras-Oftana comparison. Paras jumps higher & has stronger body, but skill-wise (that's overall skills), Oftana is better.

        You mentioned about Oftana retooling his game, you mean Oftana hasn't been driving to the lane as often as he used to before & he is taking more outside/3-pt. shots now than he used to? I see that as something of a positive. I've always dreamed of a good size small forward who can drive strong to the basket & can hit from the outside as well.

        Hope Oftana turns out to be a taller Vergel Meneses with better 3-pt. shot and a significantly better defense as well.
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
          Speaking of Oftana, Dwight Ramos & athleticism, I've seen a No. of Dwight's game in this year's PCCL, from what I saw, Oftana is more athletic than Dwight. Comparing Oftana's athleticism with that of Dwight is somewhat like comparing JC Intal & Rayray Parks' athleticism.

          But while Dwight can alternate at the 3 & 2 spots with relative ease, the same could not be said about Oftana alternating at the 3 & 2 spot. I doubt about Oftana's ability to slide to the 2 spot.

          Just my humble opinion.
          Handles, Vision and latteral quickness is Dwight's advantage
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          • Originally posted by analyzed View Post
            Handles, Vision and latteral quickness is Dwight's advantage
            He is a lockdown defender too???

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            • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
              He is a lockdown defender too???
              Maybe not in the level of a Gabe Norwood defensively, nevertheless that is good enough in my opinion. What is obvious is that Dwight has a significantly better offense than Norwood.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • Oftana can be a legit Gilas prospect if he can play and defend both wing positions effectively. In my opinion, him playing the 4 spot should be left behind in the NCAA.

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                • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                  Maybe not in the level of a Gabe Norwood defensively, nevertheless that is good enough in my opinion. What is obvious is that Dwight has a significantly better offense than Norwood.
                  Ok because we need a lockdown defender for opponents wings too.

                  I remember an old bahrami scorching gabe norwood


                  Anyway, Dwight looks like an offenisve player. So we can just use offense as our best defense

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                  • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                    Ok because we need a lockdown defender for opponents wings too.

                    I remember an old bahrami scorching gabe norwood


                    Anyway, Dwight looks like an offenisve player. So we can just use offense as our best defense
                    With Norwood as our main wing defender, opposing team's swingmen just needed to deal with Norwood's defense while not to worry about Gabe's offense at the other side becoz Norwood wasn't really a threat in offense. The idea is to develop swingmen, who can stymie the counterparts in defense, while compelling the counterparts to play honest defense on the other side. Kumbaga eh make the opponents work both on offense & defense to zap their energy
                    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                      With Norwood as our main wing defender, opposing team's swingmen just needed to deal with Norwood's defense while not to worry about Gabe's offense at the other side becoz Norwood wasn't really a threat in offense. The idea is to develop swingmen, who can stymie the counterparts in defense, while compelling the counterparts to play honest defense on the other side. Kumbaga eh make the opponents work both on offense & defense to zap their energy
                      agree with this one sir. Also, hindi na rin naman uso ang man-to-man defense nowadays. A defensive scheme that relies on all 5 guys can be developed in case of a need to limit an offensive player (be it a wing or other position). Plus, playing with a reliable rim-protector (kai, edu, kouame) can really empower perimeter defense as they can be comfortable making gambles confident that their big man will clean up their mistakes.

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                      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                        Very much agree with the Paras-Oftana comparison. Paras jumps higher & has stronger body, but skill-wise (that's overall skills), Oftana is better.

                        You mentioned about Oftana retooling his game, you mean Oftana hasn't been driving to the lane as often as he used to before & he is taking more outside/3-pt. shots now than he used to? I see that as something of a positive. I've always dreamed of a good size small forward who can drive strong to the basket & can hit from the outside as well.

                        Hope Oftana turns out to be a taller Vergel Meneses with better 3-pt. shot and a significantly better defense as well.
                        Nope it's actually the opposite. Before his game revolves around trying to overpower his way to the basket and more inside plays. No outside shots or playmaking. Kinda like Paras is right now. Puro gigil trying to look for highlights every time. Then he changed his game and mindset. He's more mature and composed inside the court. No wasted movements. He's a completely different player right now. Hopefully Paras will do the same. Maybe a different coach?

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                        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                          With Norwood as our main wing defender, opposing team's swingmen just needed to deal with Norwood's defense while not to worry about Gabe's offense at the other side becoz Norwood wasn't really a threat in offense. The idea is to develop swingmen, who can stymie the counterparts in defense, while compelling the counterparts to play honest defense on the other side. Kumbaga eh make the opponents work both on offense & defense to zap their energy
                          But the question is where is these swingmen??? Who can we develop as Tall Swingmen???

                          Very few I think has potential. Paras,Ildefonso, Lopez,maybe Demisana.

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                          • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                            Bobby Ray Parks Jr. is a good player. In fact, Dallas will draft him if Singh of India is not available. And obviously parks is better than singh. Just wrong choice by Dallas.

                            Parks should be atleast considered to the pool.

                            Having said that, I agree with astigram04 that we should invest more on more ceiling guys. Anyway that is EWP doing right now.

                            And ok I gonna reveal it. EWP will sponsor Lebron Lopez and Sage Tolentino to train in Atlanta. (Dont ask for the source please. But you will see that in the near future or should I say in a few months.hehe)

                            Note: That doesn't confirm Sage is eligible though. But atleast we have lopez following the path of Kai
                            I really think people here should just move on from this Sage Tolentino saga. He is already 16 years old and still no Philippine passport. If he was able to secure one by now you can bet that the SBP would gleefully announce it. Not only that but I've read somewhere that he and his parents are more proud of their Hawaiian heritage than being filipino. So there it is.

                            This news about him signing up with EWP or taking the Kai route is really of no use to forumers here or to people interested with Gilas. Good for the kid he's got a corporate sponsor but it benefits no one but him and EWP. So lets just be happy for him about that.

                            Sage is just another in a long list of Kamekas, QMBs, Christian Davids etc..
                            Originally posted by PeeZones
                            Kai is a top ten lottery pick come draft day and the best team for him is the spurs...Kai is way more skilled OFFENSIVELY than duncan, yao, aldridge, kp. etc..Kai is way better offensively than Porzingis by a mile...Kareem isnt really way far than Kai..decent bball IQ for both MJ and Kobe but Kai belongs to the highly skilled and high IQ players...I see talent clearly and they cant.

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                            • Speaking of Calvin Oftana 1:05 Oftana started with track and field. Might explain his athleticism

                              Also did Volleyball

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                              • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                                But the question is where is these swingmen??? Who can we develop as Tall Swingmen???

                                Very few I think has potential. Paras,Ildefonso, Lopez,maybe Demisana.
                                for swingmen we have ramos, parks, oftana, t ravena, clarkson as options. for cadets we have ildefonso, lopez, amsali, etc

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