SBP Long-Term National Pool (Vol. XVI)

[nardy]

haha sir nardy pareho pala tayong "not really chot fans". (TRANS: We're both "not really chot fans"). If MVP wants to give Chot a 2nd chance then as SBP President he has all the right to do so. but we can't blame other forumers for doubting Chot. Wuhan is water under the bridge. Next up (hopefully) is Manila-QC 2013... btw any news if Kagawad Chris Tiu will remain with Gilas II?

Well I thought Yeng could have been a better International Coach than Chot however with him not prioritizing the preparation of the Powerade National Team really did him in that time. He had a chance to be a fulltime National Team Coach but he opted to sign-up with Burger King when he left Barako Bull. Am not sure but I now feel probably at that time his heart was not really completely of being the National Coach as he was distracted by his parting ways with long-time associates (now late) Tony Chua and Andy Jao during that period of time as they were originally supposed to be still "the managing team" together at that year's National Team. Anyway we know what happened at Tianjin and its already history. For me personally, I would really like Norman Black be the GILAS 2.0 Head Coach with Chot, Jong and Ryan as his Assistants and Tim as Consultant.

I do understand the other forumers who doubts Chot however I just trying to show them that we cannot do anything about it even if we had a lengthy discussion about why he should not be the one or why Toroman should stay. Even if we do a poll on who should be the Head Coach, it would not in anyway convince MVP. With the way Chot is performing with Talk N Text in the PBA, it does in anyway show MVP that he is going to make a wrong decision. Anyway others are advocating the need for continuity .... if you look more closely with Chot being inserted as an Assistant Coach to Rajko after he was the National Team Coach from 2005 to 2007 is actually continuity itself as it was intended for Toroman to transfer his technology and expertice to his Coaching Staff the same way Ron Jacobs did to his people. Chot by this time should have learned from mistakes made both his own personal experience as National Head Coach and that of Toroman. Then you add also the knowledge of Jong Uichico, Norman Black and Ryan Gregorio plus hopefully Tim Cone. A number of the forumers would say we are better off with a Foreign Coach, well MVP tried it with Rajko Toroman and even defended it against the protestations of the BCAP and its members however to the standards of MVP, Coach Rajko unfortunately did not pass and does not merit a renewal so now MVP is opting to go with the best collective coaching minds that we have locally who incidentally are all connected to Chot Reyes because of their own personal relationship. Jong was Chot's Assistant Coach at the San Miguel National Team, Norman is currently Chot's Assistant Coach at Talk N Text, Ryan was Chot's Assistant Coach at Purefoods while Tim was the Head Coach when Chot was his Assistant Coach at Alaska and the Centinnial National Team. What's going also for Chot is that in recent years he has the longest internatioal experience as a Head Coach and Assistant Coach of the Philippine National Team. Then Chot is the one who had gotten JaVale McGee to agree to become a Naturalized Filipino. If you had worked with MVP, you know that there must be conclusive proof/evidence that you have to present to him aside from expressing one's mere personal opinion that is contrary to his belief in order for him to change his mind.

Well from what I am hearing, Chris really wants to be part of GILAS 2.0 and continue to serve as a National Player but there might be a chance he'll not be there if indeed Chot is the Head Coach.

[acklium]

Well from what I am hearing, Chris really wants to be part of GILAS 2.0 and continue to serve as a National Player but there might be a chance he'll not be there if indeed Chot is the Head Coach.

sir nards an O.T question here:
when will this gilas 2.0 start?its already February.

[nardy]

sir nards an O.T question here:
when will this gilas 2.0 start?its already February.

Well its on the works ..... a lot of preparations are being worked-out. schedules has to be worked-out. venues have to be negotiated. looking for sponsors. budgetting..... paperworks have to be made.

Its not that simple. You do not just go to an open space then call-out names ..... there are a lot of things that has to be done.

We had actually expressed our intention to host the 2013 FIBA-Asia Championship complete with presentation but we were told to hold our horses by the FIBA-Asia people as there is a proper steps and procedures. Everything has to done o on the proper manner.

What is sure is that the bulk of the GILAS 2.0 Players Pool would come from the SINAG PILIPINAS Players Pool. As of now a number of players are still winding down their stint with their respective D-League Teams while those in school are still busy with their Mid-term Exams.

On the 16 PBA Players .... its actually more of an idea of PBA Commissioner Chito Salud and some PBA Team Managers but there is no official decision yet from the PBA Board of Governors.

The earliest time for tryouts is this coming February.

[nardy]

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/cuban-wants-nba-players-out-of-olympics

Cuban wants NBA players out of Olympics

Agence France-Presse · Wednesday, January 25, 2012 · 1:55 pm


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NEW YORK — Mark Cuban, owner of the reigning NBA champion Dallas Mavericks, is upset once again at the idea of league players competing in the Olympics, telling ESPN it is “the epitome of stupidity”.


The US-based sports network’s website cited Cuban’s comments, the latest in years of criticism of NBA talent in the Olympics, in the wake of losing German star Dirk Nowitzki and French guard Rodrigue Beaubois to injuries.


“There are some guys sitting at the Olympic headquarters going, ‘Those dumb-asses — we’re taking all their best guys for nothing,’” Cuban told ESPN.


“It’s just the epitome of stupidity that we would allow ourselves to be used so other corporations (the International Olympic Committee and its sponsors) “can make tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars.”


Cuban said he will keep fighting and complaining to NBA commissioner David Stern even though he accepts he is unlikely to stop the NBA from allowing top talent to play in the Olympics.


“The commissioner’s office won’t open it up to discussion. They just make a unilateral call,” Cuban said. “They’ll take calls about it, but won’t put it up for a vote. Hopefully, I can get him to move it to a vote at some point.”


Beaubois suffered a broken left foot preparing for the 2010 World Championship while 33-year-old Nowitzki, last season’s NBA Finals Most Valuable Player, played last year for Germany in a failed Olympic qualifying bid.


Nowitzki, being paid $19.1 million by Cuban this season, is in a four-game layoff to help build strength in a sore right knee and has said it was an error to follow last year’s NBA title run with playing in the European Championship.


“I understand from Dirk’s perspective,” Cuban said. “We should never put our athletes in that position.


“For some sports the Olympics are very important. For basketball, it’s meaningless. It’s not that they’re not decent games. All things being equal, it’s fun to watch us play Argentina and Spain.


But it would be just as fun if they were 21 and under.”


In a 2008 blog posting, Cuban wondered: “Are we sure the Olympics is about patriotism and pride, or is it about commercialism? I’m certaintly not against (General Electric, then-owner of US Olympic telecaster NBC) and the US Olympic Team making as much money as they possibly can on the game. More power to them. But let’s not lie to ourselves about what is going on.”


In 2004, Cuban blogged that he was unhappy the NBA was subsidizing the Olympic movement and risking the loss of top stars to injury.


“It should be a huge selling point exclusively available to the NBA, but unfortunately that is no longer the case,” Cuban said.


“Why are we giving our most valuable manpower to a huge business, the Olympics, so they can try to take revenue away from the NBA and our partners?”

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7497025/dallas-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-not-fan-international-games-nba-players

Updated: January 24, 2012, 1:04 PM ET
Mark Cuban miffed stars hurt overseas


By Jeff Caplan
ESPNDallas.com

DALLAS -- Having seen promising young guard Rodrigue Beaubois go down playing for France and now seeing face of the franchise Dirk Nowitzki nursing an injury and out of Dallas' lineup after playing for Germany, Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said he will continue the uphill battle to make international basketball off limits to handsomely paid NBA players.


Cuban has argued that NBA owners should not be saddled with the full risk of their players suiting up for their countries in the offseason, and he said other owners agree with him but aren't as vocal in their opposition.


"It's just the epitome of stupidity that we would allow ourselves to be used so other corporations" -- as Cuban calls the Olympics -- "can make tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars," Cuban said. "There's some guys sitting at the Olympic headquarters going, 'Those dumb-asses, we're taking all their best guys for nothing.' "


Cuban knows he's unlikely to bring change to the system, but he said he will continue "fighting so that we'll pull out."


Cuban has repeatedly voiced his displeasure to NBA commissioner David Stern, but his complaints have fallen on deaf ears. He said he tried to make it a topic of discussion during the collective bargaining agreement negotiations over the summer, but that attempt also failed.


"The commissioner's office won't open it up to discussion. They just make a unilateral call," Cuban said Monday. "They'll take calls about it, but won't put it up for a vote. Hopefully, I can get him to move it to a vote at some point."


Mavs third-year guard Beaubois is just now regaining full strength and confidence from a broken left foot that required two surgeries and robbed him of virtually all of last season. Beaubois, Dallas' first-round pick in 2009, fractured the fifth metatarsal bone in his left foot in France preparing for the 2010 World Championships.


Nowitzki, the reigning NBA Finals MVP, followed his heart and played for Germany last summer in a failed bid to advance his country to a second consecutive Olympics.


On Monday, Nowitzki, who Cuban is paying $19.1 million this season, missed his second of an unusual four-game scheduled layoff designed to put him through training-camp style workouts to help strengthen his sore right knee and bolster his overall conditioning. A veteran of international competition, Nowitzki said Saturday that in hindsight, playing in last summer's European championships was a mistake.


"I understand from Dirk's perspective," Cuban said, sympathizing with his star's devotion to his country. "We should never put our athletes in that position. For some sports the Olympics are very, very important. For basketball, it's meaningless.

It's not that they're not decent games. All things being equal, it's fun to watch us play Argentina and Spain, but it would be just as fun if they were 21 and under."


Nowitzki called playing in the 2008 Olympics the fulfillment of one of two lifetime goals. The other was winning an NBA championship. For much of last season, Nowitzki wavered on whether he would play for Germany, especially, he had said, if the Mavs went on a long playoff run.


Ultimately, he chose to play, saying he wanted to help a new crop of German players experience the Olympics as he had.


But, Nowitzki, 33, also acknowledged the physical toll of international play after the grind of a long NBA season. Upon Saturday's announcement that he would sit out four games, Nowitzki said the combination of last season's championship run, followed by playing in the European championships in late August and then the lockout-delayed start of this season skewed his typical training regimen and left him atypically ill-prepared to begin the rugged, 66-game schedule that had the Mavs play their first 14 games in 23 days.


"Playing in the Euros, looking back now was obviously not the right decision, but, it was a decision I made for my country," Nowitzki said. "But it definitely didn't help me get ready for the season."


The 14-year veteran has already hit several milestones this season, logging his 1,000th career game and becoming the 23rd player in NBA history to reach 23,000 career points, but he has done it on a bothersome right knee and while averaging just 17.5 points a game, his lowest mark since his second season.


The Mavs' coaching and training staffs decided on Friday that the best course of action was to hold the remarkably durable Nowitzki out of a week's worth of games.


On Monday, Mavs coach Rick Carlisle and Cuban said Nowitzki could miss more games if deemed necessary.


Jeff Caplan covers the Mavericks for ESPNDallas.com.


Follow Jeff Caplan on Twitter: @espn_caplan

[analyzed]

While Cuban has a point , he actually isn't a good example of someone who does the right thing. His main interest is to make money and nothing else.
If you think the Mavs have problems just look at the Spurs ( with Manu, Tony and Tiago who represent their NT) but while it hurts the Spurs big time. it has never entered front office minds to stop their stars from representing their NT. And I don't think the rest of the NBA it's owners and the commissioners office would entertain the idea either. What Cuban fails to understand is the effects such a move would have in recruiting foreign players to play in the NBA. Guys like Ricky Rubio would think twice of entering the NBA and would probably stay in Europe (where they can continue to play for both their club teams and country).

Which brings me to our local scene. Now that players have other options to get paid (play in the ABL and the national team) , if ever the PBA started thinking like Cuban (it's only about my investment). the best players in the country will then think twice about entering the PBA. Imagine if you told JV Casio, that if he joined the PBA that he would never be allowed to play for the NT again. Chances are he would not have joined the draft and accepted the original offer Gilas was offering him of a contract renewal. Bottom line it's not as simple as Cuban is making it out to be. Playing for the NT will always be in the equation and owner have factor that in when operating a franchise. (hint, hint to PBA owners) This will never change.

[durden_tyler]

Guys like Ricky Rubio would think twice of entering the NBA and would probably stay in Europe (where they can continue to play for both their club teams and country).

Ahahaha. Not really. It's the NBA you are talking about not some Tier 2 league say like the Euroleague and such. It's the nature of the beast though so i get where Cuban is coming from. He has a point and methinks he'll fight for it until he steps down as an owner.

[st_ang3r]

Cuban has every right...he pays them. what will you do if your the owner?

[nardy]

While Cuban has a point , he actually isn't a good example of someone who does the right thing. His main interest is to make money and nothing else.
If you think the Mavs have problems just look at the Spurs ( with Manu, Tony and Tiago who represent their NT) but while it hurts the Spurs big time. it has never entered front office minds to stop their stars from representing their NT. And I don't think the rest of the NBA it's owners and the commissioners office would entertain the idea either. What Cuban fails to understand is the effects such a move would have in recruiting foreign players to play in the NBA. Guys like Ricky Rubio would think twice of entering the NBA and would probably stay in Europe (where they can continue to play for both their club teams and country).

Which brings me to our local scene. Now that players have other options to get paid (play in the ABL and the national team) , if ever the PBA started thinking like Cuban (it's only about my investment). the best players in the country will then think twice about entering the PBA. Imagine if you told JV Casio, that if he joined the PBA that he would never be allowed to play for the NT again. Chances are he would not have joined the draft and accepted the original offer Gilas was offering him of a contract renewal. Bottom line it's not as simple as Cuban is making it out to be. Playing for the NT will always be in the equation and owner have factor that in when operating a franchise. (hint, hint to PBA owners) This will never change.

I do not think so as the GILAS Players (except for the Naturalized Player) could only get a maximum contract that's the equivalent of a Maximum PBA Rookie Contract. Remember the cases of Paul Lee, Rico Maeirhoffer, Ogie Menor and Marcy Arellano wherein GILAS TEAM Management did not agree to the terms that they are demanding and stood-by with the decision to keep the salary scheme within the Maximum PBA Rookie Contract level.

In the long-run a "Marquee" player would earn more playing in the PBA than with GILAS.

[analyzed]

Cuban has every right...he pays them. what will you do if your the owner?

No Cuban does not have every right, there is a Collective bargaining agreement (CBA) that protects a player from a owner who prohibits him from playing for the NT.
This is not like a plantation owner who has every right to do whatever he likes with his laborers there are rules around this, what Cuban is suggesting as far as current rules are concerned is illegal

[analyzed]

I do not think so as the GILAS Players (except for the Naturalized Player) could only get a maximum contract that's the equivalent of a Maximum PBA Rookie Contract. Remember the cases of Paul Lee, Rico Maeirhoffer, Ogie Menor and Marcy Arellano wherein GILAS TEAM Management did not agree to the terms that they are demanding and stood-by with the decision to keep the salary scheme within the Maximum PBA Rookie Contract level.

In the long-run a "Marquee" player would earn more playing in the PBA than with GILAS.

Thanks for the inside info.. now i know what Gilas is now offering, I was under the initial impression that the 1st Gilas recruits (e.g. japeth) were getting more than PBA rookie contracts. I guess I was mistaken
But anyway I would like to believe the PBA and it's owners would have enough patroisim in them ,to never consider an all out ban to play for the NT. If by chance they did however, that would be a first anywhere in the world.
I am of the opinion however that Philippine basketball system should be patterned more with countries (Argentina, NZ etc) that priortised their NT over leagues rather than the US and the NBA. Our resources and level of talent isn't at the level where we can just pull out players and form a dream team and win.

[st_ang3r]

well its up for debate. for me he has every right. take amare's case last year. signed a maximum but the knicks didnt allow him to play for team usa. why? because his contract is not insured. if your the owner of the team would be willing (and happy) paying your injured star? in owners its business...

[nardy]

Ahahaha. Not really. It's the NBA you are talking about not some Tier 2 league say like the Euroleague and such. It's the nature of the beast though so i get where Cuban is coming from. He has a point and methinks he'll fight for it until he steps down as an owner.

the problem here is that scheduling made by FIBA with its tournaments as it does affect the wear and tear of players especially those who are required to play heavy minutes each game. A good example is Yao Ming who was forced to Retire early due to injuries even though a player who plays the Center Position usually have much longer playing career than other players. With the scheduling of the major tournaments and qualifying so close-in-between, it does not really give the physical bodies of the players the right time to recover and thus make the said players play almost year-round and yearly to that.

We have to remember the players are also just mere human beings and are not machines.

[nardy]

Thanks for the inside info.. now i know what Gilas is now offering, I was under the initial impression that the 1st Gilas recruits (e.g. japeth) were getting more than PBA rookie contracts. I guess I was mistaken
But anyway I would like to believe the PBA and it's owners would have enough patroisim in them ,to never consider an all out ban to play for the NT. If by chance they did however, that would be a first anywhere in the world.
I am of the opinion however that Philippine basketball system should be patterned more with countries (Argentina, NZ etc) that priortised their NT over leagues rather than the US and the NBA. Our resources and level of talent isn't at the level where we can just pull out players and form a dream team and win.

Japeth is actually under contract with Talk N Text and is with SMART GILAS on-loan, he only gets the normal allowances which the SMART GILAS players received. However when a Bonus is given, he is included but with regards to his Salary it is Talk N Text which pays him.

Even though there is "no official ban" for PBA players from joining the National Team. A PBA player even if he likes to volunteer to play for the National Team would not be able to do so unless it is approved by both his Mother PBA team and by the PBA Board of Governors. That was the case James Yap, Joe DeVance and Arwind Santos were in when San Miguel and Alaska did not release said players to SMART GILAS.

actually in the past the Philippine Basketball League (PBL) refused to release its players to the National Team thus forcing the SEA Games-bound team at that time to be composed of a selection of college players plus a few former PBA players who were without a team at that time. And on the youth level, schools from the UAAP and NCAA refuse to release their players when their tournament is on-going.

[analyzed]

well its up for debate. for me he has every right. take amare's case last year. signed a maximum but the knicks didnt allow him to play for team usa. why? because his contract is not insured. if your the owner of the team would be willing (and happy) paying your injured star? in owners its business...

Owners demanding insurance (which is standard) is totally different from what Cuban is suggesting (to prohibit them even with Insurance)

[st_ang3r]

Owners demanding insurance (which is standard) is totally different from what Cuban is suggesting (to prohibit them even with Insurance)

on the business side he has the right. coz other are benefitting...he invested on a player. right now dirk isnt playing...look where the mavs are right now. anyway its just my opinion bro.