Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[thatweirdguy]

of course ateneo can. they have shown that they can even beat team b and team a- of taiwan in a regular tournament on their homecourt.

but ateneo is not uaap. put d 8 uaap teams with their 2021 roster vs d 12 2021 pba teams in a single-round robin bubble tournament, the probability that 7 pba teams will make the 8-team quarterfinals will probably be higher than the probability of having less.

Ateneo, La Salle, UP. The other teams have no chance IMO. Ateneo won against Adelaide too di ba?

Cone is the best coach in the PBA but he only won bronze in the Asian games in a less competitive era with what is considered to be the NT lineup. And he had a really strong pro team with homecourt advantage in the Sea games.. come on even sinag has a bigger handicap. I'm gonna be honest I don't feel confident he's even better than Chot in international ball. In the PBA sure

[DAdmiral]

Any way my premise was this , if most UAAP team recruited a foreigner like Kouame 6' 10 and added 2 or 3 Div 1 one and done locals, then yes i think it is possible the level or the average UAAP team can be more competitive than the average PBA All Filipino team. of course it is a big "If" premise.

The reason for mentioning all of this , is perhaps the PBA should revisit their eligibility and import rules to improve the level of competition. to keep up with other leagues in Asia and globally.

[DAdmiral]

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Don't forget I'm referring to talent level , not which team will win head to head. And based on that if i had to choose only one team in the Philippine , pro or amateur to form a team to represent us in 2023 WC . i would pick Ateneo.
And BTW the context of the discussion in answering, which are the top leagues in Asia or world, (includes full time imports of course ) , the fact a college team is even in the discussion as being competitive vs pro teams from the same country , speaks volumes of the lack of level of the PBA , that is the premise and context of the discussion. not who is the best team in the Philippines.

[DAdmiral]

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We're not determining who is top tier talent , or who can make an impact in the PBA (star etc) , and no one said world class. and PBA isn't/

I simply said if i had to pick one program where players will come from for the 2023 (not now) , my opinion is Ateneo. here are the players from Tab's Ateneo team i would consider , if it was limited to one team only

Kouame, Go
Navarro, Lopez
Dwight , Koon
Thirdy, Dave
Matt, SJ , just fill in the gaps with the rest

it's chemistry not talent alone , that we're banking on here.


Why are u taking s about PBA players playing overseas? of course they can., the only topic here is where is the level of the PBA compared to other leagues , of course where not talking about locals only , and of course the imports in other leagues increases the level of the normal regular competion ( not just import conference lang) , and sinagot naman ng mga iba that in terms of the PBA league level for regular games. they are behind the Asian leagues that use multiple imports all the time. we're not comparing who are better locals here. that is why the UAAP becomes competitive , kasi kasama import to improve the level..

[Money]

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We're not determining who is top tier talent , or who can make an impact in the PBA (star etc) , and no one said world class. and PBA isn't/

I simply said if i had to pick one program where players will come from for the 2023 (not now) , my opinion is Ateneo. here are the players from Tab's Ateneo team i would consider , if it was limited to one team only

Kouame, Go
Navarro, Lopez
Dwight , Koon
Thirdy, Dave
Matt, SJ , just fill in the gaps with the rest

it's chemistry not talent alone , that we're banking on here.


Why are u taking s about PBA players playing overseas? of course they can., the only topic here is where is the level of the PBA compared to other leagues , of course where not talking about locals only , and of course the imports in other leagues increases the level of the normal regular competion ( not just import conference lang) , and sinagot naman ng mga iba that in terms of the PBA league level for regular games. they are behind the Asian leagues that use multiple imports all the time. we're not comparing who are better locals here. that is why the UAAP becomes competitive , kasi kasama import to improve the level..

Really intrigued by the Koon guy. But i have to agree with you. Ateneo's chemistry is top notch combined with Tab's system.

[thatweirdguy]

Well DLSU and UP did this, but lose to San Beda in PCCL, that has only handly mostly of UAAP team B players!!! Do you mean SBU is considered 2nd best college team today (Letran beat them in NCAA but i don't think it will repeat that)

Maybe I'm a fanboy but I'm picking San Beda over any other collegiate team except Ateneo. It just feels like they had the advantage in player development and coaching even with a not so strong lineup in paper. IMO Letran got the jump on them with the sudden inclusion of ghe super friends and a little bit of luck and officiating in the finals. Pre super friends Letran was a different team which SBU defeated twice with little difficulty. And it went down to the last shot..

[tomcat]

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We're not determining who is top tier talent , or who can make an impact in the PBA (star etc) , and no one said world class. and PBA isn't/

I simply said if i had to pick one program where players will come from for the 2023 (not now) , my opinion is Ateneo. here are the players from Tab's Ateneo team i would consider , if it was limited to one team only

Kouame, Go
Navarro, Lopez
Dwight , Koon
Thirdy, Dave
Matt, SJ , just fill in the gaps with the rest

it's chemistry not talent alone , that we're banking on here.


Why are u taking s about PBA players playing overseas? of course they can., the only topic here is where is the level of the PBA compared to other leagues , of course where not talking about locals only , and of course the imports in other leagues increases the level of the normal regular competion ( not just import conference lang) , and sinagot naman ng mga iba that in terms of the PBA league level for regular games. they are behind the Asian leagues that use multiple imports all the time. we're not comparing who are better locals here. that is why the UAAP becomes competitive , kasi kasama import to improve the level..

C- Geo Chiu
PG- Jordan Perez

[DAdmiral]

C- Geo Chiu
PG- Jordan Perez

No naman.. realistically siguro naman they can get hugot Kai and Clarkson tapos , now that instantly makes the team world class

[neo]

No naman.. realistically siguro naman they can get hugot Kai and Clarkson tapos , now that instantly makes the team world class

not enough shooting at d sg position (unless clarkson comes).

d thing about ateneo is that they have both talent, system, and training (sana all).

it is not like they have 2nd-tier and 3rd-tier talent who become successful because of d system.

they also go after top talent available, local and abroad. then they put the talent in a system.

that is why guys like go and black who have sub-par numbers in their last 2 seasons in ateneo, basically put all-star level numbers in their dleague teams.

d same can be said of matt nieto. navarro. and even kouame. these guys can flat out do more in a different system (especially with less talent).

even thirdy has "ordinary" numbers and that is why he never won an mvp in spite of being d king eagle for 3 years. he just up his game during final four and finals when it was needed.

[reamily]

Any recruit that uaap teams have couped are matched by ateneo, they matched mbala with someone who has size and decent potential kouame, they matched up with kobe with their own us ncaa division 1 mainstay in ramos.. as if this also the same team tht cut half of its rister includkng cj perez and aarkn black dahil sa sobrang greedy este loaded ng line up..

So in local terms huwag kami ha.. (kouame if still as an fsa should llayed his last season in 2020 kaso...

[mathematicianrcg]

Are we still buying " Best Players in the Philippines are still in the Pba" ? ( OFC with an exception on guys like JC, Kai and maybe AJ)

I still believe so.

THE Ideal Scenario in an ideal world is to combined best players from pba collegiate, and international Based in one pool. With 1 year long preperation. BUT WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A PIPE DREAM.

My take on pba players still do not change. They are still welcome to gilas in my eyes. But thet should be lend in the right time.

Just my opinion

[reamily]

Are we still buying " Best Players in the Philippines are still in the Pba" ? ( OFC with an exception on guys like JC, Kai and maybe AJ)

I still believe so.

THE Ideal Scenario in an ideal world is to combined best players from pba collegiate, and international Based in one pool. With 1 year long preperation. BUT WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A PIPE DREAM.

My take on pba players still do not change. They are still welcome to gilas in my eyes. But thet should be lend in the right time.

Just my opinion

no team in the world does this tayo lang and led to its dissapointments..But some teams prepare for 4 to 8 years.. get my point?

1994 Philippine NT > than 2002 nt

[neo]

no team in the world does this tayo lang and led to its dissapointments..But some teams prepare for 4 to 8 years.. get my point?

1994 Philippine NT > than 2002 nt

this is debatable. what's factual is that both were disappointments (4th place).

if u look at it in terms of cost-benefit, then indeed bigger loss in 2002.

[reamily]

this is debatable. what's factual is that both were disappointments (4th place).

if u look at it in terms of cost-benefit, then indeed bigger loss in 2002.

Nope given man power and lack of international quality big men (yup the best 5 we had was an amateur), Johnny A literally the only one pg..The talent level of the 2002 team is good but somehow succumb to host koreans (ok own hosting et. al)

[neo]

Nope given man power and lack of international quality big men (yup the best 5 we had was an amateur), Johnny A literally the only one pg..The talent level of the 2002 team is good but somehow succumb to host koreans (ok own hosting et. al)

d 1994's defense was very good. if that team had paras and magsanoc instead of polistico/teng and d injured calma, it would have been a sure bronze with a decent chance for silver.

d 2002's had a more expensive and comprehensive preparation but losing seigle very close to the actual tournament was a huge blow. but still silver at most even if seigle played.