Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[CoJ]

Christian Hermoso, Stanley Pringle, Scuba Holt, Mikh McKinney, DJ Fenner, Mikey Williams, Sedrick Barefield, Ron Harper Jr. to play first in PBA D-League for 2 conferences before they can enter PBA after their college careers??

forgot about the D League requirement, but kinda funny if highly touted prospects like Sage Tolentino, Kameka Hepa, Ron Harper JR, Remy martin will be required to suit up to the d league before being drafter. for the sake of their careers I hope they enter the PBA when they are 30+ like Maurice Shaw (did he even played in the PBA D League? edit, he's above 27 he's exempted from this)

[zairex]

Is ISL the Israeli League? If that's the case, I think it's not in Asia, but in Europe (well, when it comes to FIBA zone).

Still, even then, your point on the PBA stands. Not even top 5. And sometimes, player development is really stunted here.

ISL i think is Iranian Super League

Serious discussion, how do you guys determine how competitive a league is against another. Like B.League vs PBA, both Japan National team and B.League teams have lost to Philippines team and PBA teams several times in the past decades.

[tomcat]

ISL i think is Iranian Super League

Serious discussion, how do you guys determine how competitive a league is against another. Like B.League vs PBA, both Japan National team and B.League teams have lost to Philippines team and PBA teams several times in the past decades.

PBA ballclubs with an import are better than B-League ballclubs with an asian import and world import..

[DAdmiral]

ISL i think is Iranian Super League

Serious discussion, how do you guys determine how competitive a league is against another. Like B.League vs PBA, both Japan National team and B.League teams have lost to Philippines team and PBA teams several times in the past decades.

The discussion is not limited to head to head competition, in fact that may actually be a misleading metric. What one should be looking more at in the context of why Filipinos are playing overseas , is the competitive level and style they will be exposed to by playing in the league. There is a reason why Kai Sotto playing in the Australian NBL is considered very good exposure compared to playing in the PBA, (where more than 2/3 of the games are played without a big import, and with a height limit ) .

[zairex]

The discussion is not limited to head to head competition, in fact that may actually be a misleading metric. What one should be looking more at in the context of why Filipinos are playing overseas , is the competitive level and style they will be exposed to by playing in the league. There is a reason why Kai Sotto playing in the Australian NBL is considered very good exposure compared to playing in the PBA, (where more than 2/3 of the games are played without a big import, and with a height limit ) .

Every one here knows NBL is a higher league than any Asian League. The question is among Asian Leagues. Even Japanese players and Julio Llamas wants to play in other leagues.

I am asking criteria and not in general terms. Rank criteria according to the effect in Asian Leagues competitiveness.

[zairex]

PBA ballclubs with an import are better than B-League ballclubs with an asian import and world import..

Seriously, do you believe that? It's easy to rank but to justify it thats what makes a good discussion.

[DAdmiral]

Well the B-league gives the opportunity for a 7 footer to play against multiple players of that same size , additionally a 6' 5 player may get the opportunity to play as a wing rather than having to play as a big in an All Filipino or 6' 5 import conference

[reamily]

Seriously, do you believe that? It's easy to rank but to justify it thats what makes a good discussion.

Thats the purpose of easl..

[zairex]

Well the B-league gives the opportunity for a 7 footer to play against multiple players of that same size , additionally a 6' 5 player may get the opportunity to play as a wing rather than having to play as a big in an All Filipino or 6' 5 import conference

Again does this make them a more competitive league. How about the talent level of locals aren't they also criteria.

[zairex]

Thats the purpose of easl..

I agree. Unfortunately, no Middle East teams have participated. Based on EASL, we have beaten B.League teams their more often, so are we better than B.League teams.

[DAdmiral]

Again does this make them a more competitive league. How about the talent level of locals aren't they also criteria.

no of course not, at least not absolutely. But neither is winning head to head game between national teams or club team mean one league is more competitive

[ja.he]

I agree. Unfortunately, no Middle East teams have participated. Based on EASL, we have beaten B.League teams their more often, so are we better than B.League teams.

This is PBA's head-to-head matches against BLG:

Alvark Tokyo 84 - Meralco Bolts 73 (Champions' Cup)
Chiba Jets 109 - Blackwater Elite 69 (EASL)
Ryukyu Golden Kings 92 - San Miguel Beermen 101 (EASL)
Niigata Albirex 90 - 99 TNT KaTropa (EASL)

[zairex]

no of course not, at least not absolutely. But neither is winning head to head game between national teams or club team mean one league is more competitive

So what is the answer to the question. How do you determine competitiveness in Asian Leagues? What are the criterias?

[zairex]

This is PBA's head-to-head matches against BLG:

Alvark Tokyo 84 - Meralco Bolts 73 (Champions' Cup)
Chiba Jets 109 - Blackwater Elite 69 (EASL)
Ryukyu Golden Kings 92 - San Miguel Beermen 101 (EASL)
Niigata Albirex 90 - 99 TNT KaTropa (EASL)

You missed Blackwater Elite beats Rizing Zephyr Fukuoka 90-66 at Asia League Summer Super 2018

[DAdmiral]

Here are 2 articles ranking different leagues:
obviosuly they have criteria's for the basis of their rankings, some could be even fan patronage (which isn't competitivness level),
but i think some obvious factors used are the players who play in the league ( who are they ) , also pay i would imagine is a factor.

But if you're looking for some kind of quantitative formula to determine which league is more competitive than another, there is none. At the end it is based on opinion and observation

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/top-12-basketball-leagues-world-nba/story?id=44826666

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1291287-power-ranking-the-best-basketball-leagues-in-the-world-outside-of-the-nba