^^ Its near impossible to judge people by culture so its good that you use standards like what FIFA is doing like place of birth of a parent.
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Originally posted by Sikatrix View PostI mean if you want to fight those asking that FIBA consider DNA tests go to the AJ Edu fanpage. Thats stupid and Im not for that.
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^^What is Filipino blood in the first place?
If by DNA, they'd be surprised how many Indonesians from Sulawesi are "80-90% Filipino". Hahaha.
We might as well recruit Indonesians from Sulawesi for the sake of "Filipino blood".
We should also import people from Guam and Maoris from New Zealand because they will come out as "Filipino" in 23andMe's DNA tests.
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To end all controversies, it would probably best for FIBA to abolish the exceptions and Hagop rule and just require all national team players to have been *born and raised* in the country they are representing. No ifs, no buts. Quits lahat kung ganun. No one can take advantage of a large diaspora and countries can't hire "mercinaries" anymore. No naturalized player (in the sense of hiring a player from another to boost their team).
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At least the last post discussions are constructive ideas and suggestion on what the independent eligibility rule could possibly be, rather than simply cryiing out we're being cheated cause rule does not match our citizenship laws.. which is an absurd argument.
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Going against Indonesia or Qatar boosting their teams through naturalization players isn't liberal either. The basis becomes ancestry...and rules based on ancestry aren't liberal. Israel gives citizenship based on ancestry /culture and they're not the most liberal country.
At least, with being born and raised in the country they are representing, ties are assured. Notice how I didn't mention citizenship or race or blood ties either? Just being born and raised in the country they are representing (regardless of citizenship)
If you think of it, if FIBA goes with the born-and-raised for NT, that will force Qatar to be inclusive of their non-citizen residents when it comes to sports development
Edit: aside from Qatar, wasn't one of the arguments for Hagop rule was that countries that have large diasporas have advantage that countries with smaller diasporas don't have?
Indonesia does not have a large diaspora in the US unlike the Philippines. The chunk of their diaspora is in the Netherlands which isn't really a basketball country. The Thai diaspora in the US isn't big either.
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I'm cool with using:
# of years residency (years required goes down in scale depending on age- the younger less required)
parent born in the country
passport
People will figure out , that if a nation is a desired destination to live they get an advantage , which is really fair..
the reverse is also fair if people are fleeing the country then one should be penalized.,
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^^ I will revise what I suggested earlier. Perhaps the basis could be the number of residency during the formative years of the player should be the qualification as a local. For example, regardless of citizenship, if one spent their educational years (elementary, middle school, high school) in the country, that should be the basis of qualification for FIBA representation
Quits lahat if there's no if-then-else. Just one blanket rule. No loophole or any advantage to be exploited.
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Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post^
At least the last post discussions are constructive ideas and suggestion on what the independent eligibility rule could possibly be, rather than simply cryiing out we're being cheated cause rule does not match our citizenship laws.. which is an absurd argument.
fans are fans. being biased is part of it. fiba understand that.
now, if its sbp or a government official who cries foul, that's a different matter.
regardless of d approach, sbp should be strategic and not do things in haste (like they probably did with CS).
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nah.. here is the opposite
1. It's based on each nations wimp citizenship laws , if one is a citizen based on marriage , so be it.
2. DNA , each nation is designated a primary ethnicity group ( if in NZ the english conquer the moari, sorry na lang , puti tayo) having 10 % DNA of primary enthnicy is pasado
by now you will know i'm joking.. but here is the thing, that is essentially what "many" Pinoys are actually saying , can you see how absurd it is
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Originally posted by Labradoodle View Post^^ The joke in some memes even is
"1/32 Filipino" then people say "Pinoy pride".
unlike what filipinos felt (no national pride at all) with d ron jacobs-coached national team that won d asian title in 1981.
unlike what many qatar citizens felt with their pre-2007 success in asian basketball.
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I would not even call that "genuine pride". That's just really "thirst for external validation". Without any external validation, people say "nakakahiya maging Pilipino".
I compare it to the Igorot tattoo fad. Before Whang Od was featured by Lars Krutak in his foreign show, people looked down on Igorots with tattoos. The perception was it was "barbaric". But after it was featured by a foreigner, it became "Pinoy pride".
There's a reason why Pinoy click bait videos by foreigners abound so much. Capitalizing on Filipinos' clamor for external validation brings money.
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Originally posted by Labradoodle View PostI would not even call that "genuine pride". That's just really "thirst for external validation". Without any external validation, people say "nakakahiya maging Pilipino".
I compare it to the Igorot tattoo fad. Before Whang Od was featured by Lars Krutak in his foreign show, people looked down on Igorots with tattoos. The perception was it was "barbaric". But after it was featured by a foreigner, it became "Pinoy pride".
There's a reason why Pinoy click bait videos by foreigners abound so much. Capitalizing on Filipinos' clamor for external validation brings money.
again, we need to refrain from making generalizations about people's mindsets etc, especially if it belongs to d present.
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