Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[Silent Killer]

Well, many people want to see Thirdy in the PBA.. Even you, I believe!! I said it also that it will not rush if Thirdy will not join PBA.. That's ok.. But it is also good that he will join atleast in PBA draft to avoid any complicated things on him.. You know how sucks PBA board and Kume Marcial handling the league right now.. What if Thirdy can't sign B-League anymore and PBA bans him? Where he will go? Security lang atleast and many players did it before.. Don Allado with Alaska in 1999 when Alaska wait for him before he was available.. Cstand and Parks joined PBA draft even they have contract obligations with ABL teams before.. So what is difference with Thirdy and the others who did this before? Right? Actually PBA can ban him so that players will hesitate to dodge in the future drafts.. You know how stupid PBA boards are and they don't care about people's sentiments..

of course but not now.. in the future when he’s around or close to 30 or more, let him explore.. if he writes letter every 2 years then so be it.. don allado’s case is much different than thirdy.. a college stint to a pro stint with thirdy?

join draft to avoid complications ? huh? what’s the need for that? it doesn’t make sense.. then kume should ask those draft applicants who applied in their 30’s. where’s the letter?

where thirdy will go? lots of league around to play around and PBA is NOT the only league in the world..

and where’s your proof that thirdy is dodging the draft? let’s say 5 years or more, you still think he’s dodging the pba?

more people will follow thirdy’s path.. and you still think they’re dodging the pba?

[DAdmiral]

Don't you think it's as weird and dodgy to be recruiting 15 year old foreigners who've never visited the Philippines and have no parents ever with Pinoy citizenship, simply because of their skin color?

if you guy's don't, don't be surprise if the rest of the world see's it as weird and nothing different from Indonesia. At least with Indonesia it's a new thing. we've been doing this for ages like it's normal with nothing seamingly wrong

this is like Angola or Samoa visiting US searching for minors with ancestral blood connections, and saying let's fix your papers so u can play for us... if you do not thing that is dodgy ... then i don't know..

[Rodbi]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/i...-20200709-lfrm

That is quite a dampener for Ravena and other top prospects who, in their desire to get better, step out of their comfort zones and head overseas, only to face the spectre of being banned by the biggest basketball league back home.

Blame all these on a contentious rule that the PBA board put in place post-haste back in 2018, which threatens a ban on rookie prospects out of college who pass up on the pro league's draft for two straight years.

It was rushed into law as Ray Parks once again stood non-committal on the draft, a good five years since leaving UAAP side National University. Hence it came to be known as the Ray Parks rule.


The point, according to former PBL commissioner Chino Trinidad, is that in this day and age the PBA is no longer the only option for college prospects and it's high time the league rethinks its position, especially on that controversial rookie draft rule.

"May right to choose ang individual. And kung magaling talaga ang platform then the PBA can rest easy," said Trinidad. "But with options now available like the G League at Japan B.League, maganda for the PBA to rethink its position.

"In the olden days, the PBA was the only destination. With the Ray Parks, Kai Sotto and Thirdy Ravena experience - the PBA is now becoming just as an option."

Marcial believes the league board's position is flexible when it comes to the Ray Parks rule, saying the lack of a precedent for a relatively new rule leaves the door open for the PBA softening its stance, on a case-to-case basis.

The third-year commissioner, in fact, said he is open to the idea of rookie prospects entering their names in the draft before being allowed to explore other opportunities elsewhere 'but only for a certain period of time.'

"Dapat lang may time frame. Otherwise, kawawa naman ang team na nag-draft sa kanila," said Marcial, who was nonetheless quick to point out that such revisions are entirely in the hands of the board.

Eala proposed letting rookie prospects be drafted in absentia. The former commissioner said the league can also try 'incentivizing' the draft process, giving perks to incoming rookies who do not pass up on the rookie draft instead of threatening those who do with stiff penalties.

"I believe that instead of such drastic penalties, the PBA is served better to incentivize players to enter the draft. These incentives can be in the form of eligibility to a hefty rookie salary rather than a lower one if he dodges the draft. Another incentive could be a shorter period to become a free agent," Eala said.

"The Ray Parks rule has a lot of room for change particularly in an era where the basketball market is so open and free to players," Eala added. "The PBA needs to learn to compete and be competitive and attractive to players. It cannot always rely on draconian measures."

PBA should just emulate NBA's rules on draft eligibility/draft and stash. If player is already above 22, they should become automatically entered to the PBA draft.

[Sikatrix]

Don't you think it's as weird and dodgy to be recruiting 15 year old foreigners who've never visited the Philippines and have no parents ever with Pinoy citizenship, simply because of their skin color?

if you guy's don't, don't be surprise if the rest of the world see's it as weird and nothing different from Indonesia. At least with Indonesia it's a new thing. we've been doing this for ages like it's normal with nothing seamingly wrong

this is like Angola or Samoa visiting US searching for minors with ancestral blood connections, and saying let's fix your papers so u can play for us... if you do not thing that is dodgy ...

Oh god which 15 yr old was recruited because of skin color? What kind of claim is this.

[DAdmiral]

Oh god which 15 yr old was recruited because of skin color? What kind of claim is this.

to be more accurate recruited for ancestral ethnicity

[Sikatrix]

to be more accurate recruited for ancestral ethnicity

Be accurate. Recruiting because of skin color, ancestry is not just skin color please.

Anyway if you want an example of someone recruited purely because of ancestry:

http://www.espn.com/oly/summer08/basketball/columns/story/_/columnist/sheridan_chris/page/kamanfeature-080817

[DAdmiral]

Be accurate. Recruiting because of skin color, ancestry is not just skin color please.

Anyway if you want an example of someone recruited purely because of ancestry:

http://www.espn.com/oly/summer08/bas...feature-080817

Kaman is NP right?
Anyway... do people have issues with recruiting 15 year old as locals who have mere ancestry connections ? and if no. but have problems with Indonsia recruiting 15 yr olds who don't have ancestry connections, why is that ?

Feel free to publish and post your reasons in the other nations IBN thread, and let's see if won't get blasted as racist.

[Sikatrix]

Kaman is NP right?
Anyway... do people have issues with recruiting 15 year old as locals who have mere ancestry connections ? and if no. but have problems with Indonsia recruiting 15 yr olds who don't have ancestry connections, why is that ?

Feel free to publish and post your reasons in the other nations IBN thread, and let's see if won't get blasted as racist.

Ancenstry is not just skin color. It comes with culture especially if the connection is more recent. For example if the grandparent was born here thats enough for me. Just like its enough for FIFA. FIFA also has a clause that requires all players trying to be eligible (aka no connection) by its residency rules to prove that they didnt obtain nationality just to play for a national team. Has anyone ever called such thinking racist? Are you?

EDIT: What Indonesia and Qatar are doing is recruiting 15 yr olds without connections and barely any residency and giving them quick citizenship as to skirt the Hagop Rule. If FIBA had rules similar to FIFA, almost no way they can justify that

[DAdmiral]

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Anyway if you want an example of someone recruited purely because of ancestry:

http://www.espn.com/oly/summer08/bas...feature-080817

Now if Germany decided to look for many ancestral white German Caucasians in the US , removed from citizeshhip ( 3rd generation) to fill the rest of their national team, the 11 locals, then FIBA says - bawal yun ! How would Germany look if they cried foul, "this is un just and discriminatory . FiBA is ilegal and criminal" .
Sounds absurd right ? well that's regular speak in the Philippines..

[Sikatrix]

Now if Germany decided to look for many ancestral white German Caucasians in the US , removed from citizeshhip ( 3rd generation) to fill the rest of their national team, the 11 locals, then FIBA says - bawal yun ! How would Germany look if they cried foul, "this is un just and discriminatory . FiBA is ilegal and criminal" .
Sounds absurd right ? well that's regular speak in the Philippines..

Kaman is 4th generation. Has anyone ever called for recruiting 4th gen pinoys?

EDIT: my position if clear, if a grandparent born in the country is filipino thats enough for me just like its enough for FIFA, this is not weird speak solely for pinoys but rather how the federation of the biggest sport in the world thinks

[DAdmiral]

EDIT: What Indonesia and Qatar are doing is recruiting 15 yr olds without connections and barely any residency and giving them quick citizenship as to skirt the Hagop Rule. If FIBA had rules similar to FIFA, almost no way they can justify that

Basically i'm saying having ancestry connections is not a pass card to justify doing the same... not even FIFA will find this acceptable . ( ancestry blood , not parent or grand parent born in the country)

[DAdmiral]

Kaman is 4th generation. Has anyone ever called for recruiting 4th gen pinoys?

haven't we already pursued many... but let's just use 3rd gen if Germany , called out FIBA as criminal for not accepting as locals their 3rd gen and passport after 16 , don't u think that's un called for

[Sikatrix]

Basically i'm saying having ancestry connections is not a pass card to justify doing the same... not even FIFA will find this acceptable . ( ancestry blood , not parent or grand parent born in the country)

I mean if you want to fight those asking that FIBA consider DNA tests go to the AJ Edu fanpage. Thats stupid and Im not for that.

[Sikatrix]

haven't we already pursued many... but let's just use 3rd gen if Germany , called out FIBA as criminal for not accepting as locals their 3rd gen and passport after 16 , don't u think that's un called for

No. Criminal was the term Coach Tab used. I prefer terms like stupid, unfair or lacking empathy for the most part.

[Labradoodle]

If ancestry is tied to culture, are people in the US who have ancestors in the Philippines 2-3 generations ago, but have lost their culture still part of that "ancestry" or not? Truth be told, many Filipino North Americans would probably not qualify as "Filipino" if the basis is culture because many, by the second generation, have lost their heritage language and culture. The loss of "culture" is more evident among the people of mixed descent. It's not entirely their fault but there are societal pressures ans "mentaity" that would cause them to "lose their culture"


To add more to the confusion, would not "ancestry/culture" as a basis be most beneficial to China because Chinese diasporas are everywhere.

Just imagine China tapping Isaac Go, Geo Chiu based on ancestry/culture.

Also, what does it mean to be a "Qatari ancestry". Qatar as a nation only existed in the 70s. Qatar has similar CULTURE and genetic make up to other natives of the Gulf Arab countries

Then you have countries like Thailand and Indonesia that have communities that aren't "stereotypical" Thai or Indonesian. The culture of Southern Thailand is more similar to Malaysia than the rest of Thailand.