Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[Dotch]

Eala is a damn good policy maker. PBA should hire him as a consultant or even as part of that trade committee. Pipe dream tho.

I think he burned many bridges though, from his time as PBA Commish, to SBP consultant, to SMC Basketball Director ( or whatever Alfrancis' title is). But Eala did spearheaded NT - friendly measures, much to chagrin of the PBA's old guards, like the revival of Gilas 1 (patterned after NCC), hiring of foreign coach for the NT, PBA 2 conference format and PBA Invitationals, scouting of potential naturalized players etc.

[Jackie Reaper]

Eala is a damn good policy maker. PBA should hire him as a consultant or even as part of that trade committee. Pipe dream tho.

Well, he was a lawyer by profession. For all those years of being a lawyer, he has the knowledge of what is a good/bad law/policy. Compare that to Marcial, who is a statistician by profession. Being a commissioner is a totally foreign job for Marcial.

[DAdmiral]

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Having a mind for drafting good policy is actually what is required for improving FIBA's eligibility rules, it is not a matter of drafting policy for the benefit of one member , but a policy that considers all members and it's impact on fair competitive factors one can use. a change of policy as a knee jerk reaction to kawawa naman bata ko (SMC or Gilas) or one member/ stakeholder is bad policy making ..

[Jackie Reaper]

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Having a mind for drafting good policy is actually what is required for improving FIBA's eligibility rules, it is not a matter of drafting policy for the benefit of one member , but a policy that considers all members and it's impact on fair competitive factors one can use. a change of policy as a knee jerk reaction to kawawa naman bata ko (SMC or Gilas) or one member/ stakeholder is bad policy making ..

Where is the knee jerk reaction there? Posters here just suggesting for more harmonization between FIBA eligibility rules and their members' own nationality laws - the same thing CAS is suggesting to FIBA but the latter vehemently rejected it. Is it a bad policy if the policy tends to favor the other?

You are asking people here to stop accusing someone of cheating when, in fact, you are accusing the same people that they are knee jerks for only expressing dissent. Geez.

[DAdmiral]

Where is the knee jerk reaction there? Posters here just suggesting for more harmonization between FIBA eligibility rules and their members' own nationality laws. Is it a bad policy if the policy tends to favor the other?

You are asking people here to stop accusing someone of cheating when, in fact, you are accusing the same people that they are knee jerks for only expressing dissent. Geez.

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A knee jerk reaction is when one is automatically reacting to impact of one member ( SBP) and jumping into the conclusion that the solution response is to junk the rule all together. that is indeed a knee jerk reaction. or the commissioner responding to Thridy's not joining the draft by imposing a rule to ban draft dodgers. that is a knee jerk reaction , without fully studying what would be a better approach to address the issue.

Good policy making studies holistically the issue and looks at options that best can address the issue considering all factors (cause and effect) and for all stakeholders , not just for oneself (or one member) , calls for abolishing the existing rule is certainly knee jerk , or simply saying FIBA should accept anyone who is a citizen.

BTW it is actually a bad policy suggestion, if the proposal does not have significant numbers (less than 10 % of members) asking for action or change. If only 1 of 100 hundred is complaining, then absolutely it is a knee jerk reaction to waste effort to look into ways to address the complainer. In proposals for change we always ask for evidence of the degree of the problem , if just 1 % is complaining then there is no significant evidence to suggest it is a proposal worth looking into.

[Jackie Reaper]

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A knee jerk reaction is when one is automatically reacting to impact of one member ( SBP) and jumping into the conclusion that the solution response is to junk the rule all together. that is indeed a knee jerk reaction. or the commissioner responding to Thridy's not joining the draft by imposing a rule to ban draft dodgers. that is a knee jerk reaction , without fully studying what would be a better approach to address the issue.

Good policy making studies holistically the issue and looks at options that best can address the issue considering all factors (cause and effect) and for all stakeholders , not just for oneself (or one member) , calls for abolishing the existing rule is certainly knee jerk , or simply saying FIBA should accept anyone who is a citizen.

BTW it is actually a bad policy suggestion, if the proposal does not have significant numbers (less than 10 % of members) asking for action or change. If only 1 of 100 hundred is complaining, then absolutely it is a knee jerk reaction to waste effort to look into ways to address the complainer. In proposals for change we always ask for evidence of the degree of the problem , if just 1 % is complaining then there is no significant evidence to suggest it is a proposal worth looking into.

Silence does not mean agreement. They might be doing it out of compliance. They just need Qatar or Indonesia to win it all.

[Labradoodle]

If other countries *starts* to complain about "naturalization before 15" in regards to Indonesia ans Qatar, they're not genuinely complaining about the rule but the reality that they finally feel threatened.

This is the same thing that Indonesian football fans have thrown against the Azkalz about hiring "half bloods" because they felt threatened and in the end they did the same - recruiting mixed Indonesian-Europeans.

If the Philippines came to dominate the FIBA Asia scene with mixed-Filipinos born and raised abroad, many countries and fans will complain against us - about leveraging the diaspora.

More often than note, the complaints about other countries feeling threatened rather than "fairness". If it's about fairness, they should be giving a damn about it now and even argue about the Gulf countries stripping off citizenship of their "foreign recruits" after their service. But they aren't. Because they don't feel threatened.

Whether we admit it or not, we actually do feel threatened by Indonesia because Jawato and Prosper, the same way Indonesian fans felt threatened by mixed European-Filipinos in the AFL.

If we know that Indonesia's chances of winning against us will not improve with the addition of Jawato, we won't be complaining.

If Kirk Long was naturalized before 15 and was fielded in the NT, I'm pretty sure other Asian countries will complain regardless if KL was born and raised in the Philippines. Our Asian neighbors tend to get fixated about "race" and "genetics".

[Sikatrix]

Im not threatened by Jawato but what I and most others want is that our prospects be treated similarly to Jawato.

I also think that over time if recruiting 15 yr olds without connections proves effective than other countries will do it just like how getting NPs without connections became a thing. Question is if countries recruiting 15 yr olds without connections what FIBA wants or will they patch the rules to prevent that.

[DAdmiral]

Silence does not mean agreement. They might be doing it out of compliance. They just need Qatar or Indonesia to win it all.

Of course, but reacting while hurling accusations of injustice and demanding change is overreacting

[DAdmiral]

Im not threatened by Jawato but what I and most others want is that our prospects be treated similarly to Jawato.

I also think that over time if recruiting 15 yr olds without connections proves effective than other countries will do it just like how getting NPs without connections became a thing. Question is if countries recruiting 15 yr olds without connections what FIBA wants or will they patch the rules to prevent that.

It is partly by design , if these foreigner 15 year old eventually adopt their country as their residence rest of their lives. Then I dont think FIBA will view that as a bad thing but a good development. It's says alot if LBJ decides to live in the Philippines from 15 years onwards.
Now if people are just getting the citizenship then leaving , then that's when a residency clause should be added

[cocoyg]

Jowato is treated as a local by FIBA because Indonesia leveraged their position as WC host. Once Philippines does the same then the criticism of Indonesia will hopefully mellow down. After all, many Filipinos have these mindset of "ayaw magpalamang sa iba". Knowing pinoys then they'll find another thing to criticize, for example why Kouame as local and not Clarkson, Pringle or Standhardinger.

[cocoyg]

Again, as i said, Joining the draft is different to sign a contract.. He can join PBA draft even he's still in Japan.. Yes, no need to rush.. He can apply PBA draft but the condition is that PBA team who will drafted him will wait before he finish his obligations in Japan.. Well, that's Thirdy's call.. And who among teams in PBA will gamble Thirdy? Can they wait too long for him?

And what if after Thirdy's contract ends in 2023, he decides to renew his contract with San-En or play in another foreign league?

[Silent Killer]

Again, as i said, Joining the draft is different to sign a contract.. He can join PBA draft even he's still in Japan.. Yes, no need to rush.. He can apply PBA draft but the condition is that PBA team who will drafted him will wait before he finish his obligations in Japan.. Well, that's Thirdy's call.. And who among teams in PBA will gamble Thirdy? Can they wait too long for him?

then stop rushing things on him. you keep insisting on this from the get go even we explained this to you several times already.. it’s not in the world, he can apply in 2028 if he wants. too obvious that you’re eager to see thirdy in PBA.. and look how stupid PBA is acting and you want him immediately to play in PBA?

[Sikatrix]

Jowato is treated as a local by FIBA because Indonesia leveraged their position as WC host. Once Philippines does the same then the criticism of Indonesia will hopefully mellow down. After all, many Filipinos have these mindset of "ayaw magpalamang sa iba". Knowing pinoys then they'll find another thing to criticize, for example why Kouame as local and not Clarkson, Pringle or Standhardinger.

Nah Indonesia will still be criticized for recruiting 15 yr olds without connections. Just like Qatar is still criticized despite FIBA allowing Greg. The criticism will stop when we start doing it just like how almost no one complains about NPs without connections once we got Douhtit.

[Labradoodle]

Yeah, They will criticize but they will be penalized? No!! Because it's legal by FIBA rules.. Why they will care for other's criticism if they know that it's legal under the law.. Right?

^ The same thing if the SBP gets FIBA to recognize Kouame as a local and FIBA grants it.

Anyway, the Philippines has long been criticized by fans by other countries for tapping mixed-Filipinos born and raised abroad for the NT especially if they look "different" and have a "foreign" surname. It's not uncommon to come across comments like "why does the Philippines look like foreigners". Hahaha

A lot of these "criticisms" stem from feeling threatened the same way we criticize Indonesia for the Qatar route and Jawato's exemption. It's boils down to feeling threatened.