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  • Originally posted by greenarcher View Post
    I wanna know who people will choose when it comes down to Sarah, Bong Bong and Manny. LOL!
    is suicide an option? hahaha. regardless of who wins (including poe and leni) we all lose

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    • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
      This crap will deprive players of a fallback in case their international career doesn't pan out after more than 2 years.

      But maybe the PBA doesn't want to be reduced to a fallback. They wanna be the first option.

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      • Originally posted by IPC View Post
        This crap will deprive players of a fallback in case their international career doesn't pan out after more than 2 years.

        But maybe the PBA doesn't want to be reduced to a fallback. They wanna be the first option.
        I remember kobe mentioned that PBA is his LAST option..
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        • @IPC

          Is this even allowed in the law????

          WHY THE HELL THEY ARE REQUIRING PROSPECTS TO WRITE A LETTER IF THE LATTER DO NOT WANT TO APPLY FOR THE PBA DRAFT FOR NOW?

          As far as I know, they do not own thiese players yet. So, they cannot force them if they do not want to

          It is like a Company requiring top graduates in elite schools to write a letter if they will not work for their conpany. Lol

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          • These guys are power trippin..

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            • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
              @IPC

              Is this even allowed in the law????

              WHY THE HELL THEY ARE REQUIRING PROSPECTS TO WRITE A LETTER IF THE LATTER DO NOT WANT TO APPLY FOR THE PBA DRAFT FOR NOW?

              As far as I know, they do not own thiese players yet. So, they cannot force them if they do not want to

              It is like a Company requiring top graduates in elite schools to write a letter if they will not work for their conpany. Lol
              they want to avoid what happened to junmar i think where he deffered joining the draft and waited for smb to get the first pick. so more of like safety net for known and prized players to pick which team they want.
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              • Originally posted by digitalsuperman View Post
                they want to avoid what happened to junmar i think where he deffered joining the draft and waited for smb to get the first pick. so more of like safety net for known and prized players to pick which team they want.
                Valid point, that's another way of looking at it. However, it's still quite close-minded of PBA and it still won't help improve the league's parity.

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                • Originally posted by digitalsuperman View Post
                  they want to avoid what happened to junmar i think where he deffered joining the draft and waited for smb to get the first pick. so more of like safety net for known and prized players to pick which team they want.
                  junmar's decision to dodge the draft was actually ordered by smb, he was already part of the smc camp way prior his entry to the abl's smb team (there were rumors that SMC bankrolled the training of Junmar during the latter lart of his CESAFI days)

                  this is also the similar case to greg slaughter who, on the other hand defied MVP's order to dodge the 2013 draft. the Metropacific group does not have control over the 1st pick for that year.

                  Rumor has it that MVP took back Greg's perks (including a condo unit, suv and allowances) out of anger.

                  so i guess this rule is just a battle of pride between the two power blocs

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                  • Originally posted by Rodbi View Post
                    Valid point, that's another way of looking at it. However, it's still quite close-minded of PBA and it still won't help improve the league's parity.
                    well its not perfect but at least they are doing something about it.
                    for sure they will allow thirdy to play overseas since he has a valid reason.
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                    • Originally posted by robert0326
                      Thirdy will join PBA draft next season if BWE manage to take that 1st overall pick.. They have tons of 1st rounder next year.. 1 is for their own pick and other two come from TNT that was traded to get Erram (one pick from TNT came from SMB thru Romeo trade and one is TNT's own pick).. However, Thirdy can join PBA draft but they will wait for him just like Cstand and Parks case before... So if Thirdy will join PBA draft next year eh big gamble for them if they can wait for him to be eligible to join after his drafting rights.. Is any team will wait for Thirdy?
                      i dont think so. i think thirdy will play overseas for about 3 to 4 years.
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                      • Originally posted by digitalsuperman View Post
                        i dont think so. i think thirdy will play overseas for about 3 to 4 years.
                        Originally posted by robert0326
                        No problem if Thirdy will be overseas even he will be in late 30's.. As long as he will be drafted then they have their rights already.. It just who among teams will take gamble to wait for Thirdy once he want to play PBA if he's finish playing overseas.. right? Maurice Shaw nga eh 34 years old na tumuntong ng PBA eh.. Remember, drafting rights is different from you have their contract rights.. Thirdy can join PBA draft even next year, but teams can't hold him especially if he's not sign yet in his team and the PBA under UPC.. Rights lang panghahawakan ng team who will take Thirdy.. That's why it's a big question who among PBA teams will willing to take gamble on Thirdy? Especially he enjoying playing overseas...
                        the draft dodging rule is somehow discriminatory against homegrown talents, While Fil-Foreigners such as the likes of Pringle, CStan, Mikey Williams etc. spent much of their primes in foreign leagues without much fanfare or consequence relative to the PBA, their homegrown counterpart has to deal with this BS. heck these Fil-Foreigners ended up in the PBA since they no longer have that much offers from commercial leagues. So i guess they should start requiring Fil-Foreigners to send their letter explaining why they are not joining their draft class.

                        Best compromise would be just hold the rights of the player until he decides to play in the PBA.

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                        • Originally posted by robert0326
                          Thirdy will join PBA draft next season if BWE manage to take that 1st overall pick.. They have tons of 1st rounder next year.. 1 is for their own pick and other two come from TNT that was traded to get Erram (one pick from TNT came from SMB thru Romeo trade and one is TNT's own pick).. However, Thirdy can join PBA draft but they will wait for him just like Cstand and Parks case before... So if Thirdy will join PBA draft next year eh big gamble for them if they can wait for him to be eligible to join after his drafting rights.. Is any team will wait for Thirdy?
                          his contract with san-en extends until 2023.. even if BWE owns next year he won’t apply for the draft.. what’s the rush?
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                          • https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/i...-20200709-lfrm

                            That is quite a dampener for Ravena and other top prospects who, in their desire to get better, step out of their comfort zones and head overseas, only to face the spectre of being banned by the biggest basketball league back home.

                            Blame all these on a contentious rule that the PBA board put in place post-haste back in 2018, which threatens a ban on rookie prospects out of college who pass up on the pro league's draft for two straight years.

                            It was rushed into law as Ray Parks once again stood non-committal on the draft, a good five years since leaving UAAP side National University. Hence it came to be known as the Ray Parks rule.



                            The point, according to former PBL commissioner Chino Trinidad, is that in this day and age the PBA is no longer the only option for college prospects and it's high time the league rethinks its position, especially on that controversial rookie draft rule.

                            "May right to choose ang individual. And kung magaling talaga ang platform then the PBA can rest easy," said Trinidad. "But with options now available like the G League at Japan B.League, maganda for the PBA to rethink its position.

                            "In the olden days, the PBA was the only destination. With the Ray Parks, Kai Sotto and Thirdy Ravena experience - the PBA is now becoming just as an option."

                            Marcial believes the league board's position is flexible when it comes to the Ray Parks rule, saying the lack of a precedent for a relatively new rule leaves the door open for the PBA softening its stance, on a case-to-case basis.

                            The third-year commissioner, in fact, said he is open to the idea of rookie prospects entering their names in the draft before being allowed to explore other opportunities elsewhere 'but only for a certain period of time.'

                            "Dapat lang may time frame. Otherwise, kawawa naman ang team na nag-draft sa kanila," said Marcial, who was nonetheless quick to point out that such revisions are entirely in the hands of the board.

                            Eala proposed letting rookie prospects be drafted in absentia. The former commissioner said the league can also try 'incentivizing' the draft process, giving perks to incoming rookies who do not pass up on the rookie draft instead of threatening those who do with stiff penalties.

                            "I believe that instead of such drastic penalties, the PBA is served better to incentivize players to enter the draft. These incentives can be in the form of eligibility to a hefty rookie salary rather than a lower one if he dodges the draft. Another incentive could be a shorter period to become a free agent," Eala said.

                            "The Ray Parks rule has a lot of room for change particularly in an era where the basketball market is so open and free to players," Eala added. "The PBA needs to learn to compete and be competitive and attractive to players. It cannot always rely on draconian measures."

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                            • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
                              his contract with san-en extends until 2023.. even if BWE owns next year he won’t apply for the draft.. what’s the rush?
                              probably the assumption that he wants to play with his college benefactor MVP, which could actually change if the other empire gives a bigger offer.

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                              • Originally posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post
                                https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/i...-20200709-lfrm

                                That is quite a dampener for Ravena and other top prospects who, in their desire to get better, step out of their comfort zones and head overseas, only to face the spectre of being banned by the biggest basketball league back home.

                                Blame all these on a contentious rule that the PBA board put in place post-haste back in 2018, which threatens a ban on rookie prospects out of college who pass up on the pro league's draft for two straight years.

                                It was rushed into law as Ray Parks once again stood non-committal on the draft, a good five years since leaving UAAP side National University. Hence it came to be known as the Ray Parks rule.



                                The point, according to former PBL commissioner Chino Trinidad, is that in this day and age the PBA is no longer the only option for college prospects and it's high time the league rethinks its position, especially on that controversial rookie draft rule.

                                "May right to choose ang individual. And kung magaling talaga ang platform then the PBA can rest easy," said Trinidad. "But with options now available like the G League at Japan B.League, maganda for the PBA to rethink its position.

                                "In the olden days, the PBA was the only destination. With the Ray Parks, Kai Sotto and Thirdy Ravena experience - the PBA is now becoming just as an option."

                                Marcial believes the league board's position is flexible when it comes to the Ray Parks rule, saying the lack of a precedent for a relatively new rule leaves the door open for the PBA softening its stance, on a case-to-case basis.

                                The third-year commissioner, in fact, said he is open to the idea of rookie prospects entering their names in the draft before being allowed to explore other opportunities elsewhere 'but only for a certain period of time.'

                                "Dapat lang may time frame. Otherwise, kawawa naman ang team na nag-draft sa kanila," said Marcial, who was nonetheless quick to point out that such revisions are entirely in the hands of the board.

                                Eala proposed letting rookie prospects be drafted in absentia. The former commissioner said the league can also try 'incentivizing' the draft process, giving perks to incoming rookies who do not pass up on the rookie draft instead of threatening those who do with stiff penalties.

                                "I believe that instead of such drastic penalties, the PBA is served better to incentivize players to enter the draft. These incentives can be in the form of eligibility to a hefty rookie salary rather than a lower one if he dodges the draft. Another incentive could be a shorter period to become a free agent," Eala said.

                                "The Ray Parks rule has a lot of room for change particularly in an era where the basketball market is so open and free to players," Eala added. "The PBA needs to learn to compete and be competitive and attractive to players. It cannot always rely on draconian measures."
                                Eala is a damn good policy maker. PBA should hire him as a consultant or even as part of that trade committee. Pipe dream tho.

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