Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[IPC]

Ginebra will never trade Scottie. He's s fan fave, one of the most popular in the team. Considering the next draft is as deep as this year's draft, I think Arvin + Chan + Salado + 2 future 1st round picks (expect 10th pick to 12th pick) is more reasonable. Although even with those players, I'd say a trade like that is still lopsided, considering Rayray is a great player.

And Scottie's actually Ginebra's franchise player. As for Arvin, that depends if he can reach his potential with Ginebra. He was highly-touted as a high-potential player with loads of talent.

[Jomar09]

Okay. Commissioner Marcial said that there's no ban.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/p...ing-him/204187

There will be no ban, just an unwritten gentleman's agreement to prevent legal actions. Smart move by the bosses. Ray cannot take them to court because his allegations will have no evidence.

The only way he can take it to court is if the SBP refuse to give him a clearance.

But if I'm Rayray, I'll start to be humble and reach out to the bosses. He might find contracts outside the country, but the PBA will still provide him the most lucrative contract especially if he's already an aging player. Let's be real, Ray is a heck of a player. He's good, BUT not that good. He's far from a Stephen Holt and Mikh Mckinney. He won't find a lot of success outside the ABL. If that's okay with him, then he's free to proceed.

[DAdmiral]

Don't be naive the Philippines system and way of doing things is far from a democracy, it is just an illusion that there is free will, when majority of the population have litterally need to keep status quo, for them not to be impacted financially, and with such a big % in poverty and lack of education and misinformation. The powers that be litterally control and dictate things, it's far from being just or democratic. Litterally the Philippines is a failed state for all intents and purposes

[Jomar09]

Let's all remember that all PBA players applied to be drafted. They applied for their spots. they were not coerced to do so. That's parallel to the corporate world and all of the employees are mandated to follow the league rules. If he wants to play for another company, the most professional thing to do is to negotiate a deal. That's the opposite of what he did, thus this fiasco. It's all on him, in my opinion

[DAdmiral]

Not privy to Parks situation, but isn't the official line, he's just taking a break from the PBA, and he's not under contract?
If so how can he be forced to play in the PBA, when he does not hasn't agreed to a playing contract

[DAdmiral]

Let's all remember that all PBA players applied to be drafted. They applied for their spots. they were not coerced to do so. That's parallel to the corporate world and all of the employees are mandated to follow the league rules. If he wants to play for another company, the most professional thing to do is to negotiate a deal. That's the opposite of what he did, thus this fiasco. It's all on him, in my opinion

That is a different issue altogether, meaning the PBA's remedy is going to be illegal rather than legal.

Ever wonder why TNT can't sue Parks and their remedy is to connive and collude with other teams?

While it is another issue, I believe it is the root of why enterprise and those who control wealth litterally can dictate whatever they want to do. .

Their statements, such as I dare you try.. So and so., echoes this mindset. , it is like do you know who you are dealing with or why are you breaking from status quo of how things work here. It is really messed up.
And the thing is most people don't even realise how messed up it is, and think it is OK

[tootch]

Not privy to Parks situation, but isn't the official line, he's just taking a break from the PBA, and he's not under contract?
If so how can he be forced to play in the PBA, when he does not hasn't agreed to a playing contract

TNT is not forcing him to sign. Parks owe them a apology for not telling the truth i guess. TNT wants a formal word from him if he wants to pass this season.

[DAdmiral]

Doesn't matter what the official line is, he is not bound to sign any contract and it should not be held against him whatever the reasons might be.

I agree with you, that my point, nothing wrong with taking a break as Parks mentioned

[DAdmiral]

TNT is not forcing him to sign. Parks owe them a apology for not telling the truth i guess. TNT wants a formal word from him if he wants to pass this season.

He owes them an apology cause it's big corporate were talking about, reverse the situation, big corporate lies frequently to employees, does anyone say they owe the employee an apology?

The mindset is actually a reflection of how in the Philippines controls the masses minds.. The issue is through years of failed soceity and systemic way of doing things

[DAdmiral]

Then take him to court then and lets see what happens

Apology my a**, did these companies even apologize for people they laid off or worse people they had to withdraw job offers from when the pandemic hit?

In the Philippines they don't need to do that( take people to court), they just apply political and economic pressure to address it, tapos..

[DAdmiral]

When you really think about it, Parks trailblazing ways, as a first, is actually a hero for players rights and welfare.

Really he should be commended, actually

[DAdmiral]

People might say it is easy for me to talk like this, cause I don't live in the Philippines and am not affected.
That is exactly the point, people and employees in the Philippines cannot talk similar to how I talk, or else they will suffer the consequences. They simply get fired and can be forced never to find an employer again. That's essentially the threat they are making towards Parks

[DAdmiral]

It's actually similar to what I think Greg did, and took a break.
Remember the lines Chua gave out. It's similar "Greg should know what he did is wrong etc etc.

It's really screwed up.

[IPC]

Exactly my point! In the end if this issue becomes so big and spills over such that DOLE becomes involved the PBA will have no choice but to treat players as "regular contractual employees" once a contract ends they are free to sign elsewhere

In fact, they can use Negros Slashers v. Teng as a precedent in declaring PBA players as employees. Teng was declared a regular employee by the Supreme Court.

As to contractual, it's technically jobs contracted out to an independent contractor's employees according to the Labor Code. Legally, they are 'regular term employees.'

[JAMSKIE]

When you really think about it, Parks trailblazing ways, as a first, is actually a hero for players rights and welfare.

Really he should be commended, actually

No bro, Parks isn't the right person to serve as a model for what you view as something noble - fighting for the rights of the players. Bro, I'm with you about players fighting for their rights against these opportunistic big companies. But with Parks' shady reputation, whatever he does that may look noble to some people will be deemed as being done with an ulterior motive.

Do you really believe Parks did that thinking about the welfare of his fellow PBA players? I don't think so bro.

Its like a corrupt politician exposing such an anomalous government project. Wala na syang kredibilidad even if what he is saying is true.