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  • Originally posted by IshmaelM View Post
    I wonder what Norman Black told him that it's not talent but how much you can get away that matters is about. Does he mean gulang? Maybe I was not in tuned much to the PBA then but I don't think I have seen this guy play.
    He doesnt have a face of an anjo caram and simon atkins
    To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
    1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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    • Originally posted by mangangalakal View Post
      That's what the D-League is for. It's not only for developing and gauging talent but also for helping the Filfors integrate into the Philippine basketball system. It's a venue for testing if the player is talented enough for the PBA - and is also a venue for them to assimilate into the league's culture - for teams and managers to see if this Fil-for has good attitude, work habits, etc. It's also a venue for Filfors to build relationships and contacts with local managers and agents. Morrison didn't enter the D-League and got swallowed by the dog-eat-dog world of the PBA.
      shortcut na nga rin kung tutuusin yun iba dyan nagpapakamatay pa para lang magkaexposure..
      To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
      1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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      • Originally posted by neo View Post
        Thet drafted him based on potential. are u saying they should have drafted lanete, thompson, delacruz, torres, or newsone instead? None of those guys are putting all-star numbers on a consistent regular basis.thompspn is just popular becos he us with bgk.none of d players drafted in their batch are franchise player materials and d closest are mo n troy. In drafting for d future, u always go for a good player who could be great rather than someone very good but can nver be great or a franchise player.in their batch, no one is very good and d closest thing to potential great in d future are troy n mo. Risk is part of investment. If you lose, then try again til u hit it big time.

        What is important is he is improving every year as opposed to having a great first year or two then becoming nothing like in s case of ritch alvarez, baclao, rabeh.if im not mstaken, troy is averaging double-double in pts and rebs before his injury and is averagung career best in rebounds. If d season ended today he also will averaged his best in pts. So if a prospect started soft but continue to improve his numbers, that is not a bust.and dont forget that he was a late bloomer in college and we are likely to see him improve further down d road).

        they could have been a more dominant team right now had they kept JP Erram and sorround him with a better cast - either lanete, thompson, delacruz, newsome, maybe not torres. But no one on the tnt camp saw his potential at that time.
        JP Erram partnered with either mo or troy, with Jason Castro at the point would have been very lethal. But TNT got greedy and pursued both Troy and Mo. Both are good no doubt but not good enough to bring TNT to the glory land.

        if we apply your pilosophy in drafting as you stated with the way TNT got the two, it is contradicting. These two are deemed to be the next franchise players of TNT when they were drafted.
        They would have wanted CS on their roster as well but too bad evil empire had a better offer. Once CS start playing we'll see how they will fare. if they turned out great, it is better for the country. If they turned out as busts I smell a roster overhaul
        I am not a six footer, so I play heavy metal instead...

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        • Originally posted by beansent View Post
          they could have been a more dominant team right now had they kept JP Erram and sorround him with a better cast - either lanete, thompson, delacruz, newsome, maybe not torres. But no one on the tnt camp saw his potential at that time.
          JP Erram partnered with either mo or troy, with Jason Castro at the point would have been very lethal. But TNT got greedy and pursued both Troy and Mo. Both are good no doubt but not good enough to bring TNT to the glory land.

          if we apply your pilosophy in drafting as you stated with the way TNT got the two, it is contradicting. These two are deemed to be the next franchise players of TNT when they were drafted.
          They would have wanted CS on their roster as well but too bad evil empire had a better offer. Once CS start playing we'll see how they will fare. if they turned out great, it is better for the country. If they turned out as busts I smell a roster overhaul
          No contradiction. Just d fact that no one else in that draft was screaming franchise-player material.just happened that mo n troy were d closest to it. Newsome maybe. But black wanted him to be in his team. Let us not talk about erram here. If he stayed with tnt, it is also possible that he would not have improved. So lets be glad he found a home. And cmon no one in this forum predicted he will be as good as he is now during his pre-pba n rookie years.

          If anything, maybe troy or mo may also play much better in another team. That is why i will not call a player a bust until it is shown that he s a subpar player even when he plays for a new team.

          But i agree that there is bigger expectation for mo as his background is different from troy given his us ncaa d2 and abl experience. But i still will not call him a bust. He is no alvarado or menk but hes also not baclao or alvarez. Both troy and mo are B+ players and thats with their potential bot fully realized yet.

          Sure a roster overhaul or even a coaching change may cine if they dont mske d qf at least. But i am betting that if that happens rhis season, it will not involve mo or troy.at least not this season.

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          • Originally posted by neo View Post
            No contradiction. Just d fact that no one else in that draft was screaming franchise-player material.just happened that mo n troy were d closest to it. Newsome maybe. But black wanted him to be in his team. Let us not talk about erram here. If he stayed with tnt, it is also possible that he would not have improved. So lets be glad he found a home. And cmon no one in this forum predicted he will be as good as he is now during his pre-pba n rookie years.

            If anything, maybe troy or mo may also play much better in another team. That is why i will not call a player a bust until it is shown that he s a subpar player even when he plays for a new team.

            But i agree that there is bigger expectation for mo as his background is different from troy given his us ncaa d2 and abl experience. But i still will not call him a bust. He is no alvarado or menk but hes also not baclao or alvarez. Both troy and mo are B+ players and thats with their potential bot fully realized yet.

            Sure a roster overhaul or even a coaching change may cine if they dont mske d qf at least. But i am betting that if that happens rhis season, it will not involve mo or troy.at least not this season.
            I agree with you on this. I hope mo gets traded to NLEX.
            I am not a six footer, so I play heavy metal instead...

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            • Originally posted by beansent View Post
              I agree with you on this. I hope mo gets traded to NLEX.
              Will mo suceed in the 3 second system of coach yeng? Almost anyone does.But can he defend pick and rolls and read defense and not just do no harm nofoul on everything that slashes thru his way( thats the knock of some players of yeng)

              In the three second rule of yeng anyone will get anole offense bit will it make Mo be a dominant player? Rico Villanueva like perhaps. Still davonn harp was the best big man yeng guia had coached
              To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
              1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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              • Originally posted by reamily View Post
                Will mo suceed in the 3 second system of coach yeng? Almost anyone does.But can he defend pick and rolls and read defense and not just do no harm nofoul on everything that slashes thru his way( thats the knock of some players of yeng)

                In the three second rule of yeng anyone will get anole offense bit will it make Mo be a dominant player? Rico Villanueva like perhaps. Still davonn harp was the best big man yeng guia had coached
                Yeng was using a different system during harp days.

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                • Originally posted by neo View Post
                  Yeng was using a different system during harp days.
                  i think almost same except for the harp post up play..
                  To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                  1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                  • Originally posted by reamily View Post
                    i think almost same except for the harp post up play..
                    There are similarities but there are marked differences.

                    Regardless, i think mo will fit better with yeng's current system and yeng's need for a big who can space d floor.

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                    • Mo isn't exactly a floor-spacer. Unless you consider a guy who made an average of 0.2 3s per game for a 24% clip as a floor spacer. too bad we don't have stats for perimeter percentages.
                      “I never realised that to be a jockey you had to be a horse first.”
                      -Arrigo Sacchi

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                      • Originally posted by mangangalakal View Post
                        Mo isn't exactly a floor-spacer. Unless you consider a guy who made an average of 0.2 3s per game for a 24% clip as a floor spacer. too bad we don't have stats for perimeter percentages.
                        yari.. hehe.. he is athletic finisher at the break namn..
                        To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                        1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                        • Originally posted by mangangalakal View Post
                          Mo isn't exactly a floor-spacer. Unless you consider a guy who made an average of 0.2 3s per game for a 24% clip as a floor spacer. too bad we don't have stats for perimeter percentages.
                          Belga was not a floor spacer during his first years in d pba. he was nothing but a bruiser. But he had the range (just as Mo has the range).

                          Then Yeng happened.

                          Btw, for d current conference, mo is shooting 43% from d 3-pt line at 1.5 attempts per game.

                          In contrast, Belga is currently averaging 23% at more than twice d attempt.
                          Last edited by neo; 02-19-2018, 07:07 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by neo View Post
                            Belga was not a floor spacer during his first years in d pba. he was nothing but a bruiser. But he had the range (just as Mo has the range).

                            Then Yeng happened.

                            Btw, for d current conference, mo is shooting 43% from d 3-pt line at 1.5 attempts per game.
                            1.5 attempts per game would imply there are games when he won't take any shots from the outside. For the past five games, he made 2/7 for a 28% clip. In those four games, he had 1/2, 0/0, 1/3, 0/1, 0/1. He's more of a situational outside shooter than anything, unlike an RDO who's always had that shot even when he was at St Francis.
                            Keep running, big boy.

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                            • Originally posted by kerouac82 View Post
                              1.5 attempts per game would imply there are games when he won't take any shots from the outside. For the past five games, he made 2/7 for a 28% clip. In those four games, he had 1/2, 0/0, 1/3, 0/1, 0/1. He's more of a situational outside shooter than anything, unlike an RDO who's always had that shot even when he was at St Francis.
                              that is why he will probably take more when he is in a system like yeng where anyone can shoot as long as ur open. i not saying he could become an rdo. at least a belga or perhaps quinahan. when he is on d right environment and system.

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                              • Originally posted by neo View Post
                                Belga was not a floor spacer during his first years in d pba. he was nothing but a bruiser. But he had the range (just as Mo has the range).

                                Then Yeng happened.

                                Btw, for d current conference, mo is shooting 43% from d 3-pt line at 1.5 attempts per game.

                                In contrast, Belga is currently averaging 23% at more than twice d attempt.
                                Maybe you're right, but will TnT let go of Mo? Their frontline is already thin as it is.
                                “I never realised that to be a jockey you had to be a horse first.”
                                -Arrigo Sacchi

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