Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[DS_42]

“If we can get a guy like Standhardinger, with his experience and demeanor on the court and his skillset, he can easily turn this franchise around.” -Coach Gavina of Kia Picanto 1 month ago

Yeah, but unfortunately he's not making the decisions

[Sikatrix]

Every team in the PBA must stand up against this BS trade for it to be rescinded or changed. Problem is TNT also pulls BS trades and Blackwater is a sometimes farm team. That leaves just ALA, GLB, PHX and ROS as the teams able to stand up. Not to mention a trapo/oligarch like Mikee Romero is unlikely to stand up to the SMC conglomorate so lets all welcome CS or Keif to SMB hahaha

[mangangalakal]

What if SMB drafted Kiefer just to spite MVP and get an Asia level PG as bonus lolol

[hologram]

Can the PBA board do something about this?

It's sad that this league has become a freaking joke.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Can the PBA board do something about this?

It's sad that this league has become a freaking joke.

Yes they can. The thing is, it's Narvasa's job to veto any trade deal made. But I would grant that the Board has enough power to influence Narvasa to make a just stand on this. And Narvasa would only act based on how the Board decides.

The question is, will the Board make such a move? There are 12 teams - 3 of which are already with the SMC camp. Assuming SMB and KIA don't get a vote, they have two votes already tucked in. They only need 6. The other party may get 4 votes - 3 from the MVP camp and Alaska. It would be interesting then to find out who GBP, PHX, BWE and ROS will vote for...

[GoPilipinas]

If SMB really wants kia's pick they should give up one of their star player hindi ganyang puro bench warmers na di nga ginagamit!

[mangangalakal]

Yes they can. The thing is, it's Narvasa's job to veto any trade deal made. But I would grant that the Board has enough power to influence Narvasa to make a just stand on this. And Narvasa would only act based on how the Board decides.

The question is, will the Board make such a move? There are 12 teams - 3 of which are already with the SMC camp. Assuming SMB and KIA don't get a vote, they have two votes already tucked in. They only need 6. The other party may get 4 votes - 3 from the MVP camp and Alaska. It would be interesting then to find out who GBP, PHX, BWE and ROS will vote for...

In my opinion, of the 4 wild cards BW and ROS would side with MVP. Global could side with SMC. Not so sure with Phoenix, I don't really know much about their owner Mr. Uy.

[Sikatrix]

Lets not find a single scapegoat, a pox to everyone involved/complicit in this BS.

[Jay P. Mercado]

My theory is that Narvasa has given up hope of bringing back the fans through league parity. With 12 teams around, establishing balance and parity is difficult, especially if the financial resources of each team differs from the other. It was effective when Tommy Manotoc was running the PBA back then as Deputy Commissioner because he only had to contend with 6-8 teams. And most of these teams can afford their operating costs, aside from the fact that player salaries weren't really that high before.

So one option Narvasa may have considered to bring back the popularity of the league is go old school - have two teams dominate the league and form a rivalry that will approximate, if not, surpass, the Crispa-Toyota war of the past. And who are these two teams? SMB and Ginebra. Both have the biggest fanbases in the PBA today (aside from Star), both have casual fans that don't really care if the league will suffer so long as their teams are up in the standings and dominating, and both are capable of having an insane rivalry in the coming years. Let these two teams dominate, every SMB-Ginebra game would be packed to the rafters with their rabid supporters. No different from Crispa and Toyota back then....

[sajubeads]

What if SMB drafted Kiefer just to spite MVP and get an Asia level PG as bonus lolol

What if, even if the trade gets approve, MVP asks Christian Standhardinger and Ravena to withdraw from the draft....

[mangangalakal]

My theory is that Narvasa has given up hope of bringing back the fans through league parity. With 12 teams around, establishing balance and parity is difficult, especially if the financial resources of each team differs from the other. It was effective when Tommy Manotoc was running the PBA back then as Deputy Commissioner because he only had to contend with 6-8 teams. And most of these teams can afford their operating costs, aside from the fact that player salaries weren't really that high before.

So one option Narvasa may have considered to bring back the popularity of the league is go old school - have two teams dominate the league and form a rivalry that will approximate, if not, surpass, the Crispa-Toyota war of the past. And who are these two teams? SMB and Ginebra. Both have the biggest fanbases in the PBA today (aside from Star), both have casual fans that don't really care if the league will suffer so long as their teams are up in the standings and dominating, and both are capable of having an insane rivalry in the coming years. Let these two teams dominate, every SMB-Ginebra game would be packed to the rafters with their rabid supporters. No different from Crispa and Toyota back then....

But sir weren't Crispa and Toyota run by different owners? Their rivalry has legitimate basis. But SMB and Ginebra are sister teams. Any effort to drum up "bad blood" between sister teams seems futile..
Narvasa is the Vince McMahon of the PBA

[Silent Killer]

My theory is that Narvasa has given up hope of bringing back the fans through league parity. With 12 teams around, establishing balance and parity is difficult, especially if the financial resources of each team differs from the other. It was effective when Tommy Manotoc was running the PBA back then as Deputy Commissioner because he only had to contend with 6-8 teams. And most of these teams can afford their operating costs, aside from the fact that player salaries weren't really that high before.

So one option Narvasa may have considered to bring back the popularity of the league is go old school - have two teams dominate the league and form a rivalry that will approximate, if not, surpass, the Crispa-Toyota war of the past. And who are these two teams? SMB and Ginebra. Both have the biggest fanbases in the PBA today (aside from Star), both have casual fans that don't really care if the league will suffer so long as their teams are up in the standings and dominating, and both are capable of having an insane rivalry in the coming years. Let these two teams dominate, every SMB-Ginebra game would be packed to the rafters with their rabid supporters. No different from Crispa and Toyota back then....

lots of ways of bringing back the fans but not this way. it's already imbalance and lots of people already stop watching the games. some smb fans doesn't agree with the pending trade. it's just narvasa isn't as creative as commissioner

[Jay P. Mercado]

What if, even if the trade gets approve, MVP asks Christian Standhardinger and Ravena to withdraw from the draft....

That's possible. But it'll have serious consequences, not to MVP but to the players. But if they withdraw before the draft is held, then, that's okay. But if they do so after having already been drafted, that means their PBA rights will now be owned by their drafting teams.

The question is...how far is their reach on CS and Kief? Maybe Kief but CS? We don't know yet, especially if the SMC money starts talking...

[Jay P. Mercado]

But sir weren't Crispa and Toyota run by different owners? Their rivalry has legitimate basis. But SMB and Ginebra are sister teams. Any effort to drum up "bad blood" between sister teams seems futile..
Narvasa is the Vince McMahon of the PBA

Yes, they were. But so what if they're sister teams? Remember, the most memorable rivalries in the 80's and 90's featured sister teams SMB and Ginebra also. And then, the most popular rivalry we have now is Manila Clasico.

For casual fans, it doesn't matter who owns these teams. It's only hardcore purists who worry about these things. And they're part of a small minority. Those casual fans who go the venue, cheer their lungs out, fight with fans of the opponents, etc. are what matters to the PBA.

[Jay P. Mercado]

lots of ways of bringing back the fans but not this way. it's already imbalance and lots of people already stop watching the games. some smb fans doesn't agree with the pending trade. it's just narvasa isn't as creative as commissioner

Of course...and I'm not justifying it. Just theorizing what Narvasa's gambit may be to bring back relevance to the league.

Think about it, the PBA has been imbalanced since Air 21 and Barako Bull were still around. Their roles were merely replaced by Global Port and Phoenix. And then you add KIA and BWE. How do you maintain balance when SMC's coffer is so sizable that even MPIC can't match this? What more ROS and Alaska, the indie teams? There's just no way of maintaining parity.

But, Narvasa was already grown up when he saw the popularity of the PBA during the Crispa-Toyota era. And if they can only have two teams today form a rivalry and make it like a dynasty, then that may be the best option available for the league. Star, the MVP teams and the indie teams can serve as the U/Tex, Royal Tru Orange or Great Taste - teams that can steal the thunder once in awhile, but in the end, it will still be SMB and Ginebra duking it out.

It's easier and more convenient this way. Plus, RSA will be happy and will ensure continuous support to Narvasa and the PBA. Narvasa gets his security of tenure, the PBA stays relevant by retaining the most popular teams in the league.