Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[Khalid80]

That is the dilemma of having small stadiums in Lebanon. But what can we do it is the convention given how small lebanon is..Oh I never imagine if Lebanon have big time college league to cater these players

Yeah unfortunately that's the case... I mean Lebanon has a population of just arounf 4 million so having stadiums that are more than 10,000 capacity would make no sense as they wouldn't be filled up unless we build that stadium for an event like the Asian Championship (for the future).
Many colleges have really small basketball gyms and some don't even have bleachers... In Lebanon unlike in Philippines young kids are committed to their basketball teams rather than their colleges and many of the good players who might still be attending university would only play for their team in the Lebanese league and not with their college... Also many teams refuse this (letting their players play with their colleges and universities) as they are paying them good salaries and wouldn't want to risk them getting injured playing with another team.

[mangangalakal]

Man CSKA have their own customized airplane for their team and players so for sure we can't compare with them ... or with any Euroleague team in that matter except maybe the smallest teams that have a budget of around 1 million Euros.

I think CSKA's budget for this year is close to 45 million Euros which is really huge!!!

You can see what i'm talking about in this video:

Prokhorov owns both CSKA and the Nets, right?? Iba talaga ang mapera! The difference is in the $$$$..

[sergio23]

Sir khalid As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatulahi wa barakutu...


Out of curiosity regarding Pro League in Lebanon how do Teams profit? is is tickets reciept or something else? becuse if you can see if there's a limited fanbase and in most cases where venue are not filled by people then how come these teams were able to pay their imports such huge amount of cash and also players like EL-Khatib whom I think have a bigger salary...

[nardy]

Yeah unfortunately that's the case... I mean Lebanon has a population of just arounf 4 million so having stadiums that are more than 10,000 capacity would make no sense as they wouldn't be filled up unless we build that stadium for an event like the Asian Championship (for the future).
Many colleges have really small basketball gyms and some don't even have bleachers... In Lebanon unlike in Philippines young kids are committed to their basketball teams rather than their colleges and many of the good players who might still be attending university would only play for their team in the Lebanese league and not with their college... Also many teams refuse this (letting their players play with their colleges and universities) as they are paying them good salaries and wouldn't want to risk them getting injured playing with another team.

Fact is our basketball is American-influenced that's why like the US, we have a strong varsity leagues in both High School and College. When I was researching on other countries why their schools have no problem releasing players to the U16 or U18 National Teams, I found out our American set-up even though we are using this for almost a century already is actually not the standard, as most of the countries does not have a varsity program in schools, colleges or universities but instead have strong Sports or Athletic Clubs which not only have Pro Players but they do have their own stable of kids. So even as kids these players are usually semi-professionals, so a number of them just dont go to school, home schooled or module type education via internet. While those who go to school are actually not excused from school but they are allowed to go on leave-of-absence as a sort of service to the country. With no school sports league competitions, losing said players for some time is not a problem for schools which have Youth National Players. Like in Asia, its actually Japan and South Korea which has school varsity programs instead of strong athletic clubs, that is because once upon a time this 2 countries were controlled by the US and they followed only the set-up by their former "Masters". The Athletic Clubs are setted-up via geographic means and do note being members of these clubs, you need to pay the membership dues. Also found out especially on the kids, most of the teams have the players pay for their own airfare and is not covered by sponsors like we here in the Philippines do. Talking to the our legendary players, I was surprised that it was really the practice also in the past here in the Philippines that if you are chosen as a National Team Player, you pay for your own travel so they'll do it either thru their own means or by soliciting with their own personal sponsors.

[yapster]

Hahahahah. You're right.

[Khalid80]

Prokhorov owns both CSKA and the Nets, right?? Iba talaga ang mapera! The difference is in the $$$$..

Actually MMC Norilsk Nickel who are the world's largest producer of nickel and palladium and one of the leading producers of platinum and copper are the owners of CSKA Moscow

http://www.cskabasket.com/club/?a=owner&lang=en

[Khalid80]

Sir khalid As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatulahi wa barakutu...


Out of curiosity regarding Pro League in Lebanon how do Teams profit? is is tickets reciept or something else? becuse if you can see if there's a limited fanbase and in most cases where venue are not filled by people then how come these teams were able to pay their imports such huge amount of cash and also players like EL-Khatib whom I think have a bigger salary...

Pareng Sergio teams don't really profit in the Lebanese league Most of the teams are supported financially by either big businessmen or rich families and the smaller teams mainly have sponsors but it's not enough as they still incur a lot of costs and expenses and can't compete with the bigger teams.

[Khalid80]

Fact is our basketball is American-influenced that's why like the US, we have a strong varsity leagues in both High School and College. When I was researching on other countries why their schools have no problem releasing players to the U16 or U18 National Teams, I found out our American set-up even though we are using this for almost a century already is actually not the standard, as most of the countries does not have a varsity program in schools, colleges or universities but instead have strong Sports or Athletic Clubs which not only have Pro Players but they do have their own stable of kids. So even as kids these players are usually semi-professionals, so a number of them just dont go to school, home schooled or module type education via internet. While those who go to school are actually not excused from school but they are allowed to go on leave-of-absence as a sort of service to the country. With no school sports league competitions, losing said players for some time is not a problem for schools which have Youth National Players. Like in Asia, its actually Japan and South Korea which has school varsity programs instead of strong athletic clubs, that is because once upon a time this 2 countries were controlled by the US and they followed only the set-up by their former "Masters". The Athletic Clubs are setted-up via geographic means and do note being members of these clubs, you need to pay the membership dues. Also found out especially on the kids, most of the teams have the players pay for their own airfare and is not covered by sponsors like we here in the Philippines do. Talking to the our legendary players, I was surprised that it was really the practice also in the past here in the Philippines that if you are chosen as a National Team Player, you pay for your own travel so they'll do it either thru their own means or by soliciting with their own personal sponsors.

I see.. Salamat for the info pareng Nardy

[durden_tyler]

Pareng Sergio teams don't really profit in the Lebanese league Most of the teams are supported financially by either big businessmen or rich families and the smaller teams mainly have sponsors but it's not enough as they still incur a lot of costs and expenses and can't compete with the bigger teams.

True for most basketball pro leagues at any level anywhere...

[durden_tyler]

Barako has the 3 SMC teams' pick i believe
SMC has global's pick
ROS has meralco's pick (?)
Ginebra has air21's pick

So:

Air21- To Ginebra
Ginebra - To Barako
Meralco - To Rain or Shine
Global - To SMC
SMC - To Barako
Petron - To Barako

Own Picks:
Alaska
TNT
ROS
Barako

[Jay P. Mercado]

So:

Air21- To Ginebra
Ginebra - To Barako
Meralco - To Rain or Shine
Global - To SMC
SMC - To Barako
Petron - To Barako

Own Picks:
Alaska
TNT
ROS
Barako

There's still some confusion regarding Rain or Shine's added pick next year. What I remember is that in the Sol Mercado 3-way trade with Air 21 (now Barako) and Meralco, the E-Painters will be getting two first round draft picks from Barako - the 2011 pick (which they used to get Paul Lee) and the 2013 pick. Ergo, ROS has Barako's first pick next season, if I'm not mistaken. They also have Meralco's pick for 2014 (c/o the Ronjay Buenafe deal).

[Silent Killer]

So:

Air21- To Ginebra
Ginebra - To Barako
Meralco - To Rain or Shine
Global - To SMC
SMC - To Barako
Petron - To Barako

Own Picks:
Alaska
TNT
ROS
Barako

wow.. 4 1st round picks by barako bull..

[Big Ticket]

wow.. 4 1st round picks by barako bull..

I think they only have 3 coz there's a rule that a team can only have a max of 3 first round picks per draft... That's why they traded one 1st rounder to sanmig... I think JPM is right, barako's own pick is with ROS (not meralco's)

[Jay P. Mercado]

wow.. 4 1st round picks by barako bull..

League rules state that a team can only have a maximum of three first round picks in a given season. Hence, since their own pick for 2013 has already be acquired by ROS, they were still able to stockpile on a couple of first rounders from San Mig, Petron and Ginebra.

Curiously, they got all these three from one conglomerate. Do the math!

[Big Ticket]

League rules state that a team can only have a maximum of three first round picks in a given season. Hence, since their own pick for 2013 has already be acquired by ROS, they were still able to stockpile on a couple of first rounders from San Mig, Petron and Ginebra.

Curiously, they got all these three from one conglomerate. Do the math!

Yup, and barako has 4 first rounders in the 2014 draft so they need to trade one of them