Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[reamily]

Look at the whole Tnt team the benificiary of toromans training isa pang injury prone team but come injuries theres success for them..

But it do help that their deep enough to go through the injuries..

[Jared03]

Lutz, lassiter & ababou.... Even tiu & casio.... Look at them now...Injury-prone....

Wear & tear after 2 yrs of punishment...

are sure with this accusation? and certainly it's not a fact.

barroca was never sidelined in the pba despite the no. of minutes he received under toroman.

look at baracael and even the tnt guys who were included in the line-up of gilas 1.

[durden_tyler]

are sure with this accusation? and certainly it's not a fact.

barroca was never sidelined in the pba despite the no. of minutes he received under toroman.

look at baracael and even the tnt guys who were included in the line-up of gilas 1.

BT has a point. That's practically half the team. Toroman's training is tough, but it will take its toll.

TNT guys in the line-up did NOT have that much time with Toroman anyway.

[Jared03]

BT has a point. That's practically half the team. Toroman's training is tough, but it will take its toll.

TNT guys in the line-up did NOT have that much time with Toroman anyway.

the military like training that toroman has been implementing can't be compared to those in the US where players are required to built they're body based on their current skill sets and physiques plus the overnight scrimmages just to perfect certain plays together with the analogy of the books.

isn't that harder than playing scrimmages, doing some drills and lecturing?

Sir Nardy , Can you enlighten me with toroman's training drills?

[Big Ticket]

BT has a point. That's practically half the team. Toroman's training is tough, but it will take its toll.

TNT guys in the line-up did NOT have that much time with Toroman anyway.

Gilas 1 fanboys are at it again.... They're back!

[Big Ticket]

what about barroca, baracael, guevarra? that's an accurate observation of yours. .....

It will take its toll soon.... Hoping not for barroca though...

[drhouse]

BT has a point. That's practically half the team. Toroman's training is tough, but it will take its toll.

TNT guys in the line-up did NOT have that much time with Toroman anyway.

Somebody has to remind toro that a team has to spend more time winning than burning out. Tnt does it the correct way by putting more time to creating great athletes than great trainees.

[pachador]

looks like from the way some describe toro's training, that it was really meant for younger guys below 21 or 23 years old who needed to be physically molded into fighting men. unfortunately, such training cannot be sustained over the long-term for older guys as it will cause burnout or unnecessary injuries.

[Big Ticket]

Toro's style of training could benefit our youth & cadet teams..

[nardy]

the military like training that toroman has been implementing can't be compared to those in the US where players are required to built they're body based on their current skill sets and physiques plus the overnight scrimmages just to perfect certain plays together with the analogy of the books.

isn't that harder than playing scrimmages, doing some drills and lecturing?

Sir Nardy , Can you enlighten me with toroman's training drills?

actually BT has a point, they all gotten injury-prone but that's after they already left the program. Wear and tear could be. But if you're a gym-buff you know a change in routine could sometimes have an adverse effect on you most so if you're doing it for such a long period of time.

As I said before, when TNT first experienced the Serbian Military Camp training of Coach Rajko, even if they're among the best conditioned teams in the PBA, its such a surprise that guys like Ali, Jared well actually all of them, run out of air and were already standing around or heads down while their hands are holding unto their waists. The drills are actually conditioning the players on certain movements which actually happens on the playing court and helps them react faster.

Fact is majority of our players from their younger days had not really given much on their conditioning and training regimen. At least the Fil-ams know more about as they come much earlier as they know the importance of doing warming-up exercises before each highly exhausting physical activity. Our homegrowns could even be seen laughing and making fun of the cooling-down exercises. Its just were not really used to this kind of things. Most would just come just about time or a bit late (Filipino time) then wants just to do shoot-arounds and some scrimmages. However thats no longer the thing right now. Some of the trainers even insert exercises which are yoga and ballet regimens.

Its just hard to justify change when we are not used to it. But we know its not only the Serbians who do it, even the Greeks, the Koreans, the Japanese, .... now the Iranians. Its not that its bad or good for us Filipinos, I like what Ronald Tubid said before he was shipped-out of Barako, "kaunting hinay-hinay lang".

I also feel the spate of injuries in the Barako camp is because "nabigla lang" but when everything becomes routine, you'll see the benefits not only during the game but as Jim Saret says it in your well-being.

.... ahh now I remember. they should have a break-in period first before going full-throttle.

on the grassroots ... BT is also correct that we should start such a training with the Youth and Cadet hopefulls. Lets start e while they are young.

[drhouse]

actually BT has a point, they all gotten injury-prone but that's after they already left the program. Wear and tear could be. But if you're a gym-buff you know a change in routine could sometimes have an adverse effect on you most so if you're doing it for such a long period of time.

As I said before, when TNT first experienced the Serbian Military Camp training of Coach Rajko, even if they're among the best conditioned teams in the PBA, its such a surprise that guys like Ali, Jared well actually all of them, run out of air and were already standing around or heads down while their hands are holding unto their waists. The drills are actually conditioning the players on certain movements which actually happens on the playing court and helps them react faster.

Fact is majority of our players from their younger days had not really given much on their conditioning and training regimen. At least the Fil-ams know more about as they come much earlier as they know the importance of doing warming-up exercises before each highly exhausting physical activity. Our homegrowns could even be seen laughing and making fun of the cooling-down exercises. Its just were not really used to this kind of things. Most would just come just about time or a bit late (Filipino time) then wants just to do shoot-arounds and some scrimmages. However thats no longer the thing right now. Some of the trainers even insert exercises which are yoga and ballet regimens.

Its just hard to justify change when we are not used to it. But we know its not only the Serbians who do it, even the Greeks, the Koreans, the Japanese, .... now the Iranians. Its not that its bad or good for us Filipinos, I like what Ronald Tubid said before he was shipped-out of Barako, "kaunting hinay-hinay lang".

I also feel the spate of injuries in the Barako camp is because "nabigla lang" but when everything becomes routine, you'll see the benefits not only during the game but as Jim Saret says it in your well-being.

.... ahh now I remember. they should have a break-in period first before going full-throttle.

on the grassroots ... BT is also correct that we should start such a training with the Youth and Cadet hopefulls. Lets start e while they are young.

I think what is being mentally missed is that you have to be a great athlete first before you can become a great trainee. Top african-american ballers are already excellent athletes in their teens and early 20s, and are thus prepared for serious team training. Just looking at most uaap and ncaa players and you already know that they haven't understood the severe athleticism and conditioning required by non-casual sports. Proper awarming up and cooling down takes two hours. And that's without the added 2 hours minimum for separate power hops and strength
maintenance. Pinoy youths would rather go malling, or eating sinful food and drinking sinful drinks, with friends.

[nardy]

Does anyone remember what Mathias previously had done?

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...-ronnie-matias

[killmebusy]

Like i've been saying all along..fudge boy should tweak his regimen to the biology of pinoys. We are not as physically imposing as other raises..our bone and muscle structures aren't at par with whoever you're comparing them to. Simply put, pinoys are naturally more fragile and that is not in any way caused by poor training and/or laziness..it's genetics.

[silverwing]

Like i've been saying all along..fudge boy should tweak his regimen to the biology of pinoys. We are not as physically imposing as other raises..our bone and muscle structures aren't at par with whoever you're comparing them to. Simply put, pinoys are naturally more fragile and that is not in any way caused by poor training and/or laziness..it's genetics.

I believed that this is the main reason. We do know how our young players tends to be spoiled on their college careers, players with potentials offered with great perks and scholarship from big universities which in someway tends to make these youngster lazy to commits themselves in an intense training to improve their skills more. They have cars, condo/house , girls, fame in school ,allowances and free education what more they can ask for. lol hehe. This case can also be evident to most of our PBA players, they have luxurious salary and allowances also some good perks on their contracts which sometimes makes them contented on their current skill sets and avoids hard core training. There are very few who really give extra work/training just to improve their skill sets. Sometimes some PBA players shows their best performances during the last few months/year of their contract hoping to get a better offer on their next contract. After signing some of them goes back to their lazy way of playing/training.

[killmebusy]

I disagree...it's all about the genes. First of, pinoy parents are so over protective that they would not want to expose kids to intense trainings even at the college level...at the end of it all, the focus is still with their studies and college coaches understand that. And still the concern is can a typical pinoy body handle it? I don't think so. Nardy pointed out the fil-fors adjusting better..well, that's coz they have mixed genes. Pinoys are biologically small, fragile and unathletic as compared to the other races. Although i agree with your laziness angle on some players..there are a lot who work their ass off and yet are still physically lacking.

I believed that this is the main reason. We do know how our young players tends to be spoiled on their college careers, players with potentials offered with great perks and scholarship from big universities which in someway tends to make these youngster lazy to commits themselves in an intense training to improve their skills more. They have cars, condo/house , girls, fame in school ,allowances and free education what more they can ask for. lol hehe. This case can also be evident to most of our PBA players, they have luxurious salary and allowances also some good perks on their contracts which sometimes makes them contented on their current skill sets and avoids hard core training. There are very few who really give extra work/training just to improve their skill sets. Sometimes some PBA players shows their best performances during the last few months/year of their contract hoping to get a better offer on their next contract. After signing some of them goes back to their lazy way of playing/training.