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Originally posted by zairex View PostWell Gee didn't win, Leo did. Why are we arguing with success.
Gee didnt fail in the basketball court. His failure was not for lack of winning. It was because of two things. His failure to play RSA favorite Arwind Santos who was crying left and right to the media that he was not used right despite his team steamrolling to the finals. And two because it was not yet the newly rechristened SMBs turn to win it was Sanmigs turn to win a Grandslam. Otherwise why change the system that got you 7 games in the finals in the previous conf?
You know as a JMF fan why it hurts? That Govs cup Junemar was the most athletic one Ive ever seen. Attempting putback dunks. Dunklng on a fast break over Blakely. Not a drop pass from a guard. A one on one flying dunk from Junemar ala Japeth.
In an alternate timeline, Abanillas system was kept. Junemar would only play 30 minutes not 40. And he would play fast and explosive. That kind of Junemar would have been a stronger force in Gilas. Unfortunately we are in that timeline where Junemar became a slow defensive liability.
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Originally posted by Rds View Post
He was a game 7 away from winning the Govs cup against crown jewel at that time San Mig Coffee. His system worked so well they were blowing teams by 20 pts or more. Junemar didnt have to play more than 30 minutes IRC. Answer me this. If Gee’s system was so close to winning a championship for Petron, why was it changes in the next conf for Purves flex system?
Gee didnt fail in the basketball court. His failure was not for lack of winning. It was because of two things. His failure to play RSA favorite Arwind Santos who was crying left and right to the media that he was not used right despite his team steamrolling to the finals. And two because it was not yet the newly rechristened SMBs turn to win it was Sanmigs turn to win a Grandslam. Otherwise why change the system that got you 7 games in the finals in the previous conf?
You know as a JMF fan why it hurts? That Govs cup Junemar was the most athletic one Ive ever seen. Attempting putback dunks. Dunklng on a fast break over Blakely. Not a drop pass from a guard. A one on one flying dunk from Junemar ala Japeth.
In an alternate timeline, Abanillas system was kept. Junemar would only play 30 minutes not 40. And he would play fast and explosive. That kind of Junemar would have been a stronger force in Gilas. Unfortunately we are in that timeline where Junemar became a slow defensive liability.
SMB won by 20pts. or more only in 3 of 9 games on Governors cup. So don't know where you got those figures.
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Originally posted by zairex View Post
I have no issue with Gee but his record was a Gov Cup finals stint in 2013 and Then loss to ROS 4-1 semifinals in Philippine Cup. So its not like his coaching was better than Leo
SMB won by 20pts. or more only in 3 of 9 games on Governors cup. So don't know where you got those figures.
The ROS loss was half expected. Do you understand what I said that Gee had to drop his system because management ordered to use Purves’ system along with the guy as consultant? You never answered if you agreed with me that that Govs cup Junemar was the most athletic and explosive he had ever been. But management wanted a slower and half court approach with much more minutes for JMF. Of course guys like Lutz were not maximized at this pace. JMF became heavier and slower. SMB got their AFCs. But the promise of 2014 WC JMF never came to fruition. SMB got their small pond championships but in the bigger picture they had the potential to develop the best Pinoy Fiba player. But small pond championships got in the way over international competitiveness. Slow heavy JMF at 40 minutes PT ensured their AFC domination. It didnt matter JMF couldnt be relied on in defense in Fiba and could only be used in short spurts because of this. As a fan it pained me that the active 2014 WC rookie was reduce to a plodding one. Al Chua and SMC didnt care. They even withheld Super Marcio when he was in his prime. All because of small pond championships. An example of personal and corporate objectives getting in the way of helping the country.
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Originally posted by Rds View Post
Sorry about that. It seems my memory about that was a bit exaggerated. But they were still dominant. 8-1 win loss. 13.33 pts differential. Jmf averaging less than 30 mins I think.
The ROS loss was half expected. Do you understand what I said that Gee had to drop his system because management ordered to use Purves’ system along with the guy as consultant? You never answered if you agreed with me that that Govs cup Junemar was the most athletic and explosive he had ever been. But management wanted a slower and half court approach with much more minutes for JMF. Of course guys like Lutz were not maximized at this pace. JMF became heavier and slower. SMB got their AFCs. But the promise of 2014 WC JMF never came to fruition. SMB got their small pond championships but in the bigger picture they had the potential to develop the best Pinoy Fiba player. But small pond championships got in the way over international competitiveness. Slow heavy JMF at 40 minutes PT ensured their AFC domination. It didnt matter JMF couldnt be relied on in defense in Fiba and could only be used in short spurts because of this. As a fan it pained me that the active 2014 WC rookie was reduce to a plodding one. Al Chua and SMC didnt care. They even withheld Super Marcio when he was in his prime. All because of small pond championships. An example of personal and corporate objectives getting in the way of helping the country.
Was JF more athlethic?? I would say he is more mobile before just like he was more mobile when he was playing in Cebu. JF choose to play in PBA because he wanted to be near his home. He was encourage by TC to even try out in Summer League but he didn't want to. He was satisfied with what he is doing and didn't venture anymore unlike the likes Kai or other Asian Imports. He was advised by the coaching staff but wanted to eat rice because he was poor growing up. https://fastbreak.com.ph/lol-junemar...et/hoop-snoop/
So accept it, it was JF wish to eat more before
They won the championship which is their mission. SMC's mission also was that. What can I do, I don't pay for their livelihood. That happens everywhere, NBA, BLeague and Euro
Do I wish he could be more for us in Fiba, yes but to many factors played in those times including SMC not allowing its player to play in Fiba. I said here before that I blame SMC for not allowing JF to play in some Fiba Tournaments including Marcio.
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Will Northport/SMC allow them??
Starhorse Shipping Lines is in discussions with both Terrafirma and the PBA regarding a potential franchise acquisition. Spin.ph first reported Starhorse’s interest in entering the PBA, while multiple sources confirmed to Tiebreaker Times that the company is specifically looking to purchase the Terrafirma franchise. According to sources, Starhorse representatives met with Dyip governor Bobby Rosales […]
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Originally posted by Dotch View Post
i thought Terrafirma"s franchise is actually owned by SMC, and Terrafirma is only leasing it. So same set-up?
though SMC eventually allowed Phoenix, but it was during the peak of Duterte’s power
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The entry of a shipping company based in the southern Tagalog region into the Philippine Basketball Association appears to be gaining traction. Starhorse Shipping Lines, the Inquirer learned,
PBA officials did not return queries about the potential sale, but sources said that Starhorse had submitted a letter of intent while its representatives met with commissioner Willie Marcial and Terrafirma team governor Bobby Rosales.
Jax Chua, who had been involved in the Basilan teams that competed in the MPBL and the PBA D-League, and Bernard Yang, longtime team manager of Hapee in the defunct PBL and D-League, were among those who attended on behalf of Starhorse.
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