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Originally posted by deku_midoriya
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Bench warmer is totally on the bench and not used at all just like Kyt Jimenez or a Raymond Aguilar.. Nava played some games there.. and remember, he was injured some of their games, that's why he was not used in some of their games... If he played for other PBA teams and still benched then we can argue your sentiments here.. remember TNT had interest on him and want to sign him but because SMB had their rights then TNT can't sign him (w/c is sucks).. Dave ildelfonso also hardly get minutes there, can you tell him that he's not good too? Little sample size can't define if he's bad or not... And remember SMB is very notorious on benching rookies.. Can you tell the last time SMB trust on a rookie except Junmar?Originally posted by Silent Killer View PostComment
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He wasnt even use in EASL.. and he wasnt sign back by his team. Why are you high with nava? Eh you' don't watch his in KBL. Heck you never watch foreign leagues.. you rely on stats..Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
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SMB can't even used Jeron Teng enough.. So why I believe in you? Can you tell when is the last time SMB trusting their rookies? They wasted AVO, Pessumal, Heruela, etc.. to a few.. Nava is a 1st rounder in last draft.. TNT had interest on him before SMB sucked Nava due to stupid ruling.. Are you better than TNT management? TNT is not stupid unlike SMB on treating newbies.. Kim Aurin will have same treatment as Nava if he was signed by SMB.. I dare you the truth...Originally posted by Silent Killer View PostComment
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I will remeber this post of yours.Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
When a local or a college player who have similar situation people here say that if he is good he will be used. Dont give special treatment for local players, that why local players dont improve.
But if its Nava, lets give him chances to show his worth.
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I didn't tell like that.. my point here is smb don't trust or used their rookies... Anytime they drafted a rookie then they will waste it.. When was the last time SMB developed their own drafted player after Junmar? Even in the past smb is not keen on rookies.. I'm still have benefit of a doubt for Nava or any other SMB drafted rookies, I'm sure if Nava played with ROS or any other teams who have trust on rookies then he will have his worth or we can say if he's bust or not.. Imagine if Lemetti or let's say Policarpio drafted by SMB, they will like get the same fate as Nava or the likes of AVO with SMB... Because SMB is sucks on developing their own drafted players... Ginebra and TNT are better in terms of developing players on their own than SMB despite all of those 3 doing lopsided trades too... Ginebra have Scottie, Cu, RJ as their own players, while Japeth gets his confidence playing in Ginebra.. TNT also doing same, Khobuntin is already dropped by Dyip before gave him a chance at TNT and proved his worth now, Kim Aurin also developed by TNT.. Castro became a legend with TNT and now they giving a chance with Galinato and Razon... While SMB doesn't have that except maybe for Junmar or some extend Ross....Originally posted by zairex View PostComment
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Lol Robert. Ross was not drafted nor developed by San Miguel. Coca Cola drafted him and he was a regular starter for Meralco for about 3 years before SMB got him.Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
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To be fair Ross came to SMB with practically no shooting same with Arwind. Both developed their shooting enough to keep defenses honest against JMF. At least most of the time. IRC he came to SMB as a good passer but became more known for his defense.Originally posted by one21guns View PostComment
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But he became better at SMB, he's more polished with SMB, Same as Japeth to Ginebra or Khobuntin to TNT.. unlike the likes of Perez, Pringle, Oftana, etc.. that they are already good before being traded... I can't remember when Ross enters PBA, he was well known as member of legendary death 5 of SMB...Originally posted by one21guns View PostComment
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IIRC, Chris Ross was already a good player prior to his stint with SMB. He was even a quality player way back in the amateurs when he played in the now defunct PBL.Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IVComment
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I have to go with Robert here. He may be all of those but in SMB he had to adjust a lot. I dont think his teams were any good. Being good in a so si team vs being good in a perennial champion are two entirely different things. IRC he came in to SMB as more of a facilitator and not an offensive threat. He had to grow into his role. He became arguably the best defender in the PBA. People forget that a second aspect of SMBs dominance was its defense. And Ross was a big part of it. His offense when he started in SMB was pretty bad. No outside shot, no sure shot on layups. But he needed to score if in order to stay. His passing was not as needed as the offense passed through JMF. His outside shot improved and he posted up smaller guards. His game changed a lot from when he came to SMB and when they developed the death 5. Same for Arwind.Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
I’ve repeated this many times. Leo’s problem was he was so afraid to lose his job that when he stumbled on the death 5 he never tried other things. He was so afraid to lose that he played his death 40 minutes early in the elims. He was terribly afraid not to gain twice to lose advantage. His predecessor Gee Abanilla had a working two style system that reached the finals against SMC in the previous Commissioner’s cup. But because Arwind’s role was diminished, in the AFC coach Gee was given a foreign consultant and was forced to use the guys Flex offense. Junemar missed several games because of a sprained ankle. They lost the AFC and Abanilla was never given the chance to use his system that led to them to 7 games in the finals against SMC.
If you were a fan then you knew that Comms cup Petron team was even more dominant than the death 5 SMB. Its average winning margin was 20 plus points. Unfortunately, Arwind had a diminished role. And maybe more importantly they were a big impediment to SMCs Grand slam plans. SMC was temporarily the jewel of the SMC teams. Becoming the sole San Miguel name for a time. So now Im not surprised that in the AFC, they saddled Abanilla with Purves and his flex system despite his system a game 7 away from winning a championship.Comment
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Now look at Adrian Nocum.. If he was drafted by SMB, will he get his groove there? My point here is not on Nava that he was good or not, All players drafted by PBA teams are very good.. But what they need is exposure and trust by their teams.. Nocum is not even a best player at Mapua in his college days.. but he was lucky that ROS drafted him and become one of the best today, it is because CYG is good developing talents.. SMB is not good on that.. And if they are the ones of drafted Nocum, He will likely already out of the league because SMB is not keen trusting rookies...Originally posted by Rds View PostComment
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Yeng is a very unique coach. I don't know if there is another coach in NBA or Asian Leagues who gives his players opportunities.Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
His coaching style is most likely to be beneficial to a player's career. But there is an issue with his coaching and that is efficiency. As you give all the players playing time it also lessen the time those players minutes to be consistent. As most of them will try to get their rhythm they will try to shoot the ball more and will try to maximized their playing time as the next game they might only play below 10 minutes, unlike how top teams maintain their efficiency as they only use less than 8 or 9 players.
Yeng has won two championships with this strategy also he ONLY has two championships as ROS coach.Comment
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Again I think it’s not that SMB is just bad at developing. It’s because Coach Leo’s system allows only for a specific offensive and defensive skillset that it is hard to get players that fit exactly. It is is so hard that they still play Marcio and Ross major minutes despite both obviously beyond their prime.
I contend that SMB developed Ross and Arwind. They were still trying to build the players to play along JMF. Arwind in fact flunked it. Gee used the import or even Doug Kramer as PF. Arwind’s minutes gradually diminished. Ironic that he won the BPC because he disappeared in the latter elims and in the whole post season. But because he was close with RSA and he was a good defender he was allowed to play major minutes at PF. In the early years he was hunted by other teams. PFs like Vic Manuel would post him up. In the early years he was embarassing from three. He would shoot 1/9 or 1/11 from 3 but he was allowed to so it. He would be acclaimed a hero because the only 3 he hit was a clutch one despite missing around 10 3s the rest of the game. He became a better shooter though.
Same with Ross. He became a defensive stopper and a sometimes decent shooter. He even became a postup guard to become an offensive threat. His defense was needed to help Junemar and Cabagnot out.
But when Leo got his death 5 to win he stopped developing other players. The main problem was he only one game plan, dump the ball to JMF. Whereas Gee had a 2nd system with Kramer as center and rhe import being the point forward along with guys like Lutz. Leo only depended on JMF. Players that excelled in fast paced games became useless if they could play with JMF or couldnt help him on defense. Unlike Tim Cone in SMC who had a deliberate pace centers on Sanggalang and De Vance but also had a trapping fast pace centered on Barocca.
The only starter that got into the death 5 consistently was CJ. A first pick and BPC contender. CS was thrown out because Leo couldnt use him. Even his replacement Tautuaa became a glorified sub and even lost minutes to Brondial. Leo couldnt think of a faster paced system that took advantage of Mo’s outside shooting and ability to drive for a center.
Leo was too dependent on JMF. So now that JMF isnt as dominant as before and calls are not able to protect him on defense SMB cant adjust. It’s funny because Mo actually did a good job on defending imports and scoring with JMF on the bench in the latter games. If SMB had a semi-decent import they couldve enetered the playoffs with Mo having a bigger role.Comment
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