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  • Originally posted by TheRodster21 View Post

    Lack of parity is bad, hypothetically if they were to go the Real Madrid route, marketing would be different I think, people follow Real Madrid because it’s been around for so long and they hire big stars to play for them, football is different but with basketball I think Ginebra has a shot of being something like that, it has history, culture, people like to see Ginebra win. Every year the top teams are the same anyways. They should just go all in
    I agree they just let go of the notion of parity. The issue is would people understand. Look at the comments of people who wants parity, and people




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    • Originally posted by Metta View Post
      Parity is really not the word that best describes the problem with the PBA. It's more of collusion. The disparity is a result of teams colluding so that particular teams will remain on top.

      If the college league is going to be used as an analogy, it will be between CSB and DLSU (the closest thing college has in terms of colluding)...the PBA is like if CSB and DLSU will be in the same league and CSB will sacrifice their team success to make DLSU better. But in reality, it's quite the opposite. Since DLSU is overloaded with recruits, they are working with CSB to give chances to their extra recruits. Both teams have winning championships as a goal. They cooperate when it aligns with both team's goals.

      He has a point, even in the most open/free market environment, parity is hard to maintain (because team leaders have different abilities and pockets). That's why he's emphasizing on the word parity. But we all know that's bullocks and just verbal gymnastics to skirt away from the real problem.
      I agree and the people who actually look for parity are wrong. The PBA salary cap is outdated at this point and if they adhere then it would be easy for other leagues to outbid for players.
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      • Originally posted by zairex View Post

        I agree they just let go of the notion of parity. The issue is would people understand. Look at the comments of people who wants parity, and people



        Maybe people wouldn’t but that’s culture built over time, LaLiga is old so people have grown up with that system.

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        • theirs parity here in nbl.. adelaide started at the bottom last season and almost made it to play in.. it’s balance league given how sydney and melbourne spend money plus perth..

          liga endesa? barcelona, baskonia and real madrid can load up their rosters to compete in euroleague..
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          • "Yes, there can never be equal teams. But parity isn't that. Parity is the equal applicatin of rules to all teams. Parity is the equal oppurtunity for all teams to improve by getting players in a level playing field. Parity is the equal desire of teams to win, Let's not kid ourselves". - Noli Eala
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            • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
              theirs parity here in nbl.. adelaide started at the bottom last season and almost made it to play in.. it’s balance league given how sydney and melbourne spend money plus perth..

              liga endesa? barcelona, baskonia and real madrid can load up their rosters to compete in euroleague..
              Just like Terafirma, started at the bottom and was one win away in getting to semis. As you said other teams who are top teams spend money. So game as Euro no parity.

              Regardless of reasons teams in Euro don't have parity as what people want then to have

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              • Originally posted by r1ck View Post
                "Yes, there can never be equal teams. But parity isn't that. Parity is the equal applicatin of rules to all teams. Parity is the equal oppurtunity for all teams to improve by getting players in a level playing field. Parity is the equal desire of teams to win, Let's not kid ourselves". - Noli Eala
                So what rule should be implemented, 450 a month cap on players salary or higher. Do we have a figure.

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                • As to the parity issue, the non-SMC teams need to attract fans and get more funds. It's either winning, marketing, or both for fans, I think. As for funds, depends on the company. Help me on this one, thanks.

                  Now, as for the stockpiling of talent, there needs to be some transparency as to trades. If they're done for cash, the fact that cash was involved must be reported. Make it similar to the NBA, where cash is reported, and the salaries of the incoming and outgoing players are roughly similar.

                  Also, as to top teams, it would be nice to see them make the knockouts of the EASL and BCL so as to justify the stockpiling of talent. That's how European powers operate. Dominate domestically and continentally.

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                  • The farm teams, as we call them, are just basically in the PBA for marketing. They couldn't care less about winning championships... its just a bonus because winning a pba crown doesnt increase terafirma, blackwater or northport's sales. So if a smc or mvp team offers cash in a trade, they will likely accept it because its a good business deal.

                    The problem is really the pba's business model. While most leagues around the world follow this model: more competitive team results to championships results to increase popularity results to increase gate receipts and merchandise sales results to increase revenues. That's not happening in the pba where you have basically no merchandise sales and meager gate receipts which are divided among teams because of common venues.

                    The only way to really to salvage the pba is for the league to adopt a regional, home and away format.

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                    Last edited by deku_midoriya; 08-16-2024, 05:45 AM.

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                    • I think most people overlook the biggest hindrance for independent teams to be able to keep in step with the top teams, like Noli Eala said there should be equal oppurtunity for all teams to acquire players in a level playing field but that isnt the case in the PBA. How can independent teams gain access to top talents coming into the league via the draft if the farm teams who tank on purpose keep securing the top talents for the corporate teams? This year is an exemption because Converge tanked heavily to get the top pick but independent teams cant keep doing that but the corporate teams have the luxury of farm teams to do that for them.
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                      • Originally posted by r1ck View Post
                        I think most people overlook the biggest hindrance for independent teams to be able to keep in step with the top teams, like Noli Eala said there should be equal oppurtunity for all teams to acquire players in a level playing field but that isnt the case in the PBA. How can independent teams gain access to top talents coming into the league via the draft if the farm teams who tank on purpose keep securing the top talents for the corporate teams? This year is an exemption because Converge tanked heavily to get the top pick but independent teams cant keep doing that but the corporate teams have the luxury of farm teams to do that for them.
                        But at the end of the day like CJ Perez, they will end up with teams that spend money for them. How will you make Terrafirma spend more money for their own draft picks. Even ROS, keeps changing their lineup because other teams will try to get their top players like the situation with Nambatac. They do get good players in return but like Terrafirma, what use of it if they can't stay together longer as a team?

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                        • Originally posted by zairex View Post

                          But at the end of the day like CJ Perez, they will end up with teams that spend money for them. How will you make Terrafirma spend more money for their own draft picks. Even ROS, keeps changing their lineup because other teams will try to get their top players like the situation with Nambatac. They do get good players in return but like Terrafirma, what use of it if they can't stay together longer as a team?
                          Simple if they can't afford players then leave the PBA.. but we all know why terrafirma, NP and BW can't leave the league..
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                          • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post
                            The farm teams, as we call them, are just basically in the PBA for marketing. They couldn't care less about winning championships... its just a bonus because winning a pba crown doesnt increase terafirma, blackwater or northport's sales. So if a smc or mvp team offers cash in a trade, they will likely accept it because its a good business deal.

                            The problem is really the pba's business model. While most leagues around the world follow this model: more competitive team results to championships results to increase popularity results to increase gate receipts and merchandise sales results to increase revenues. That's not happening in the pba where you have basically no merchandise sales and meager gate receipts which are divided among teams because of common venues.

                            The only way to really to salvage the pba is for the league to adopt a regional, home and away format.

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                            Thats not really true. Most leagues in the world have only top 4 teams fighting it out for championship. Even in NBA, the league as gone down due to different finalists who are not as popular. The money is on popular team and their rivalry.

                            We have discuss here how expensive and not profitable a regional league in the Philippines.

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                            • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post

                              Simple if they can't afford players then leave the PBA.. but we all know why terrafirma, NP and BW can't leave the league..
                              Who will replace them that has the money like SMC and MVP that can compete and bring the salary cap close to the prices around asia. Even Ayalas doesn't have a commercial league team.

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                              • Originally posted by zairex View Post

                                Who will replace them that has the money like SMC and MVP that can compete and bring the salary cap close to the prices around asia. Even Ayalas doesn't have a commercial league team.
                                Because its not worth it for ayalas.. leave them be.. find someone who has the financial to finance a team..

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