Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[AndreiRuss]

Hoping for more big names and phil-ams,

[AndreiRuss]

Meralco is for real!

[IPC]

I for one doesn't want any SMC team to become champions becoz palagi nalang sila nagtsa champion & mainly becoz of its super souped up rosters. I want teams like Meralco, Phoenix, ROS, & my favorite team at the moment Converge to become champions. I know its far-fetch especially on the cases of Phoenix, ROS & Converge.

Ginebra has had good tactics and good team composition (talking about the guards, the big wings in Malonzo and Gray, even Brownlee, a rim protector in Japeth, and the versatile big in CStand), but what's noticed is the talent more than those tactics.

MERALCO won 3 games this Finals because they attacked the weak points in SMB's defense and made life uncomfortable by making timely rotations and playing physical, rather than talent. RoS and TerraFirma also attacked those same weaknesses, but SMB eliminated them due to sheer talent, e.

Tactics and good roster composition dapat, e.

That's the downside coaching a talent-laden or souped up team. A coach will never get that much credit no matter how successful his team is. An ordinary basketball fan like me would always say: "Kaya lang yan nagtsa champion kasi subrang lakas ng line-up while most of the other teams are just too weak".

But what if that team would miss a number of its key players? Kaya ba mag champion yan? Well, this Philippine Cup simply shows that without a few of its key players, coach Tim Cone can't lead Ginebra to the finals. Without Malonzo & Grey, Ginebra failed to make it to the finals. The thing is, even w/o Malozo & Grey, malakas pa rin line up ng Ginebra composition wise.

It's actually better for the souped-up teams to compete in international club competitions like the EASL and BCL Asia. It tests them better. How will they adjust to a league where they're not at a massive advantage in terms of talent.

Look at Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester City, Liverpool, and Bayern Munich in European football. Same with Real, Panathinaikos, Olympiacos, Barcelona, and Fenerbahce in European basketball. Dominate their respective leagues because of their talent, but in the continental setting, they're tested against teams of similar level, so you have to be better tactically.

[hmbopbaduwap]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/bossing-tropang-giga-reevaluate-nambatac-trade-after-finals-a793-20240614?ref=feed_1_section

[subsandwiched]

Remove this draft system, it doesnt serve its purpose anymore. One reason young players are not joining because they might end up with teams who cannot afford their asking salary. Without guaranteed draft picks, these farm teams will lose their value and hopefully just die.

[zairex]

It's actually better for the souped-up teams to compete in international club competitions like the EASL and BCL Asia. It tests them better. How will they adjust to a league where they're not at a massive advantage in terms of talent.

Look at Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester City, Liverpool, and Bayern Munich in European football. Same with Real, Panathinaikos, Olympiacos, Barcelona, and Fenerbahce in European basketball. Dominate their respective leagues because of their talent, but in the continental setting, they're tested against teams of similar level, so you have to be better tactically.

The main issue is cost. Additional import, additional games, additional cost if hosting a foreign team. PBA teams are not us rich as Japan, Korea or Taiwan.

Unless there is a study that they will gain economically, SMC team doesnt want to spend significant amount. As stated by RSA in an interview were he admitted he is spending 1 trillion pesos is not easy. MVP also doesn't want to spend like how they are force to admit a budget overrun unless they want to write it off the books.

[IPC]

The main issue is cost. Additional import, additional games, additional cost if hosting a foreign team. PBA teams are not us rich as Japan, Korea or Taiwan.

Unless there is a study that they will gain economically, SMC team doesnt want to spend significant amount. As stated by RSA in an interview were he admitted he is spending 1 trillion pesos is not easy. MVP also doesn't want to spend like how they are force to admit a budget overrun unless they want to write it off the books.

So what question do you ask to resolve that issue?

[zairex]

So what question do you ask to resolve that issue?

Lets be specific, what do you want to solve?

[reamily]

The issue is that Terrafirma and Blackwater are rotating on the top pick.. Converge did a blatant job tanking just to be able to best the two.. With two out, we expect Northport to be the odd one out.. if they replace terra and bw then they should be the next to be axed..Imagine this among the lower tier teams Northport Phoenix and ROS, they been able to go until final 4, converge as we knew has ambitions while terrafirma and blackwater seems to poise a major problem with the pba as for the last 9 years they become "saling pusa"

[IPC]

Lets be specific, what do you want to solve?

The first question I'd want to answer is, how do they earn more money and/or generate a profit?

[IPC]

This I say, I think "parity" would be almost impossible to achieve right now. As you guys have pointed out those independent PBA teams don't have as much money as SMC & MVP teams. I think for some PBA fans, tanggap na nila that SMC teams specially Ginebra & SMB, as well as Talk n Text will always have a edge/advantage in terms of quality of talent & depth in line-ups over the rest of the pack. Yan na yung katotohan na willing na nilang tanggapin.

But what these PBA fans only hope or clamoring is that huwag naman sanang masyadong one-sided yung competition in which SMB or Ginebra would look like a PBA all-star team while the rest of the teams especially the farm teams would look like averaged UAAP or NCAA teams. And of course we want an end to those lop-sided teams in which a marque player of Terrafirma who has the makings of becoming a franchise player gets to be traded in favor of SMB in exchange of a ball boy.

Huwag naman masyadong garapal which would be a ridiculous insult to the level of intelligence of some PBA fans.

That's why it felt good when MERALCO beat SMB. And in an All-Filipino too. SMB, while overpowered, have fatal weaknesses. Their only defenders are Ross, Marcio, and June Mar, and they're old. Their 4 is not very strong on defense. Trollano as a small ball 4 got bullied by Hodge. It's a poorly-constructed roster, to be honest.

I'm a Ginebra fan, but I rooted for MERALCO last Finals. Underdog, defensive mentality, and attacking SMB's weaknesses.

[zairex]

The first question I'd want to answer is, how do they earn more money and/or generate a profit?

Let start with how much do teams spend. RSA said he spend a total of 1 billion Pesos in his ball clubs. So lets say his budget is 350M per team.

How much games do SMB team play. 11 games per conference which is 33 games per year. See how small the possible revenue for low-level teams. A little over half of BLeague regular season.

Then playoff and finals if maximum games will be; 3 games for teams rank 3rd to 6th place. 7 games for Semi finals and 7 for Finas total is 17 games. Multiply by 3 conferences you have 84 games max per team per year.

That means they spend 4,166,666.67 per game per team. Do you think PBA even earn half of it (2M) per playdate per team? Then you need to divide that earnings to 4 teams as 4 teams play a playdate.

[C2Hamm]

Let start with how much do teams spend. RSA said he spend a total of 1 Trillion Pesos in his ball clubs. So lets say his budget is 350M per team.

How much games do SMB team play. 11 games per conference which is 33 games per year. See how small the possible revenue for low-level teams. A little over half of BLeague regular season.

Then playoff and finals if maximum games will be; 3 games for teams rank 3rd to 6th place. 7 games for Semi finals and 7 for Finas total is 17 games. Multiply by 3 conferences you have 84 games max per team per year.

That means they spend 4,166,666.67 per game per team. Do you think PBA even earn half of it (2M) per playdate per team? Then you need to divide that earnings to 4 teams as 4 teams play a playdate.

Where did you get that? 1 billion for all 3 teams -> https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/r...a1374-20230915

[zairex]

If we go down the route of Earnings. Again this is simplified.

If Araneta or MOA has 20,000 audience per playdate then multiply it with 500 pesos average ticket (The highest is Php 1K and lowest is 200). The playdate earnings will be 10M then divide it to teams then 2.5M per team which is 60% of what SMC teams spend per playdate. So SMC teams need to trim their budget around 40% or earned a little less than 2x they are earning now.

For context, BLeague highest ticket price I saw before the end of the regular season was 20K pesos and the lowest was 300 pesos.

[zairex]

Where did you get that? 1 billion for all 3 teams -> https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/r...a1374-20230915

Sorry, I mean 1 Billion and my calculation is still correct. Based on this relevation Uytengsu last 2019 makes this estimate aligned to what said by RSA.

https://sports.inquirer.net/351108/the-business-of-basketball