Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[IPC]

Fans already have their ideas and it is actually good… but the commissioner didn’t listen to them… they stick what is store for them.. fans wants atleast 2 conference format, But they still insisting the 3 conference format, Fans want unlimited height in import flavored conference, but they stick with height limit to the reason they want fair play against smaller Filipinos, they block the entries of Chooks or any companies want to join because they will lessen the dominance of powerhouse SMC and MVP groups… Fans still loyal to PBA but the league doesn’t listen to them.. About the claim for volleyball is now the most popular sport, it’s too early.. If they consistently losing international competitions then the popularity will also decrease… PBA is not only institution that symbolize basketball here, There is UAAP/NCAA basketball drawing huge crowds, Gilas home games are sold out , and the NBA gathering atleast 8 million Filipino viewers on average.. Once Valdez and his batch retires, the popularity will drop too, unless they will find the next face of the sport (Maybe Bella Belen will do) will bring the sport to the greater heights even at international level… Just like in Lebanon, Football leagues there are more popular than basketball leagues but Basketball players are more popular and more success internationally… that’s why Lebanon is still basketball country than football… international success is the huge assessment for the popularity of the sport…

Sir Tukayo,

I've always posting this statements many times before and the possibility that it may be until kingdom come (oh dear!! wag naman sana).

the PBA Grandpas are not totally sold on the latest innovation and platforms on how the basketball landscape should be implemented in the Gen Z era.

for them the good old days type of atmosphere is still the cool way to present what pinoy basketball is all about.

as I said we cannot argue more with the Grandpas because they are protecting their own comfort zone, the safe space, just like the typical Grandpas on our own backyard they are not totally sold on new things.

not unlike the century old JPE, you can call him filthy depending on your political leaning but according to those closest to that old man, a big part of his brain is still longing for something new and doesn't afraid dipping his hand on the latest platforms, that is why until now he plays different kind of online games on his smartphone/tablet with a very competitive accumulated points to brag about.

hmm..maybe that's also one his main secret of his longevity and sharp mind until now, aside from...oh boy!! I'm biting my tongue right now. we are General Patronage here.

Old Cow eats and drink young grass alongside a very sweet fresh waters.

anyway. that is why.

I ain't very touchy on who's the most popular of not, for me I'm still hoping other team sports like Women Basketball, Mens Volleyball, Football, Baseball and Floorball should also have the same breath as Mens Basketball and Womens Volleyball minus the toxicity on those discipline.

Marcial really gave the "easier to guard, harder for imports to dominate" rationale as to the height limit.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/chance-for-jones-mccullough-to-be-back-as-pba-approves-6-10-limit-in-commish-cup-a793-20220509

As to 3-conference format, ayun na. It doesn't give an offseason, so let's just hope that it ends at least two months before a major international tournament (2025 FIBA Asia Cup in August 2025, 2026 Asian Games in September 2026, and 2027 WC in September 2027).

[BJ_Reloaded]

Marcial really gave the "easier to guard, harder for imports to dominate" rationale as to the height limit.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/chance-for-jones-mccullough-to-be-back-as-pba-approves-6-10-limit-in-commish-cup-a793-20220509

As to 3-conference format, ayun na. It doesn't give an offseason, so let's just hope that it ends at least two months before a major international tournament (2025 FIBA Asia Cup in August 2025, 2026 Asian Games in September 2026, and 2027 WC in September 2027).

Sir IPC,

if only those PBA Grandpas are visionaries, issues like this should already been address because I remember during my childhood days that they are bragging on all front that the PBA is the trailblazer of Asian basketball.

now where's that audacity about that "trailblazing" thing,.

I haven't felt it until now.

it's really #PBAGrandpa4life

[IPC]

Sir IPC,

if only those PBA Grandpas are visionaries, issues like this should already been address because I remember during my childhood days that they are bragging on all front that the PBA is the trailblazer of Asian basketball.

now where's that audacity about that "trailblazing" thing,.

I haven't felt it until now.

it's really #PBAGrandpa4life

I mean, look at how our teams performed in international club competition. SMB was a trailblazer in getting blown out by 56.

And I do see some trailblazing in more provincial games, but that's it. Nothing trailblazing on how to improve exposure (at least in the Metro) so as not to need a whole year for a season, how to escape controversy, how to attract players (and maybe teams), how to increase revenue, and how to improve the level of competition.

[Rds]

I mean, look at how our teams performed in international club competition.

To be fair, SMB was a trailblazer in getting blown out by 56.

I think SMB is now more open to getting tall forwards who can shoot. Trollano has been helping their spacing a lot. If they can get a taller guy with similar offensive and defensive skills I am sure they will get him.

[IPC]

I think SMB is now more open to getting tall forwards who can shoot. Trollano has been helping their spacing a lot. If they can get a taller guy with similar offensive and defensive skills I am sure they will get him.

The Death 5 performed well in the Terrific 12 with Prosper and Dez Wells.

I think hoarding can only be justified when you can maximize that talent, and you can win in international club comps. SMB need to be selective as to which players they can farm if they want to win internationally. Otherwise, they can farm however they want if they're just content in winning here (which is valid; I just feel like that's small club mentality).

[Rds]

The Death 5 performed well in the Terrific 12 with Prosper and Dez Wells.

I think hoarding can only be justified when you can maximize that talent, and you can win in international club comps. SMB need to be selective as to which players they can farm if they want to win internationally. Otherwise, they can farm however they want if they're just content in winning here (which is valid; I just feel like that's small club mentality).

In fairness, SMB has stopped hoarding since it let CS go. Trollano is a role player in the PBA. He is no superstar. But his skills perfectly match a big need of the team. Jeron Teng on the other hand has big holes in his game. I think a major consideration for getting him is he is a 2nd generation SMB player not necessarily his skills. But just with his play, I'm sure SMB could've gotten a better player for a cheaper price. If he doesn't develop his outside shot I'm sure he won't last long in the roster.

[IPC]

In fairness, SMB has stopped hoarding since it let CS go. Trollano is a role player in the PBA. He is no superstar. But his skills perfectly match a big need of the team. Jeron Teng on the other hand has big holes in his game. I think a major consideration for getting him is he is a 2nd generation SMB player not necessarily his skills. But just with his play, I'm sure SMB could've gotten a better player for a cheaper price. If he doesn't develop his outside shot I'm sure he won't last long in the roster.

Jeron's there probably because his dad is a club legend, I share the sentiment. He's neither a consistent shooter nor a capable defender. He should improve on both those areas.

As for SMB, they still got CJ and Vic after letting go of CStand. But their star power right now is just Terrence, Ross, CJ, Marcio, and June Mar. Their other tools are role players who just happened to add to their firepower like Mo (who was once a star in NorthPort), Jericho, Enciso, and like you said Trollano. What's missing is probably a defensive forward, a 6'6"-6'7" version of Trollano.

[BJ_Reloaded]

I mean, look at how our teams performed in international club competition. SMB was a trailblazer in getting blown out by 56.

And I do see some trailblazing in more provincial games, but that's it. Nothing trailblazing on how to improve exposure (at least in the Metro) so as not to need a whole year for a season, how to escape controversy, how to attract players (and maybe teams), how to increase revenue, and how to improve the level of competition.

Sir IPC,

aside from removing that height limitation on imports, another clamor that they need to do is to let AK34 play as a local considering he is literally a product of Philippine Education and basketball development dating back to his teenage years.

inviting some guest team(s) ala BAD storyline is also one on the wishlist, maybe SGA can sponsor a team led by Dwight Howard and Andre Blatche, the one who recently played during that Dubai tourney(Man oh Man!! that hala!! hala!! shouting of that Arab commentator started to play on my subconscious right now) that Alab Pilipinas or the Zamboanga Valientes led by Malik Diouf is also a good team as far as PBA level are concern.

actually there's so many things on the table it's just a matter of.."gusto ba ng mga lolo yung mga bagong menu on the table".

does the Grandpa are warm and fuzzy about new things.

[IPC]

lol instead of asking for fairness, PBA should just allow 2 imports per roster (hey pba teams could change imports anyway if they are injured/or if they are performing poorly) and remove the height limit. Instead of raising the standards of the league, they are just lowering the level of competition

The PBA needs to do this, In able to bring back those fans who lost the interest of the league… As I said before, No need home and away format, PVL also not a home and away format but become successful…

1.) kick out those alleged farm teams already.. I’m sure all of you know them already… they are the biggest reasons why PBA has lost their glory, we will not appreciate those teams who are not interested on winning..


2.) decrease the sister teams into 2… for MVP group, they should sell NLEX, they putting them into farm team already, while SMC should sell Magnolia, since all of 3 SMC teams, Magnolia was least supported in terms of manpower… I’m sure big time teams are willing to buy their franchise since those 2 have their cores already, plus Magnolia is a popular team, many will have interest to buy that franchise..

3.) No more salary cap, I think it is not applicable in our type of system that we have.. let those teams fighting for players whatever they want… for sure companies are willing to spend millions to bring the players that they want…

4.) although retain trades and rookie drafts to retain the balance of the teams participating… w/ this, guys like Ramos, Edu, thirdy, Abbarientos, (or even Kai) etc… will go home and play here..

5.) make just only 2 conference and abolish height limit… it will make games more competitive

6.) And lastly, fire the current commissioner..


if those mentions did, PBA fans will back.. all of the teams will have their stars, they will have their fan bases, the league will not rely on Ginebra only to have their crowds.. Just like in the 90s, where all teams have their stars…Fans will relate to them…

Fans already have their ideas and it is actually good… but the commissioner didn’t listen to them… they stick what is store for them.. fans wants atleast 2 conference format, But they still insisting the 3 conference format, Fans want unlimited height in import flavored conference, but they stick with height limit to the reason they want fair play against smaller Filipinos, they block the entries of Chooks or any companies want to join because they will lessen the dominance of powerhouse SMC and MVP groups… Fans still loyal to PBA but the league doesn’t listen to them.. About the claim for volleyball is now the most popular sport, it’s too early.. If they consistently losing international competitions then the popularity will also decrease… PBA is not only institution that symbolize basketball here, There is UAAP/NCAA basketball drawing huge crowds, Gilas home games are sold out , and the NBA gathering atleast 8 million Filipino viewers on average.. Once Valdez and his batch retires, the popularity will drop too, unless they will find the next face of the sport (Maybe Bella Belen will do) will bring the sport to the greater heights even at international level… Just like in Lebanon, Football leagues there are more popular than basketball leagues but Basketball players are more popular and more success internationally… that’s why Lebanon is still basketball country than football… international success is the huge assessment for the popularity of the sport…

Sir IPC,

aside from removing that height limitation on imports, another clamor that they need to do is to let AK34 play as a local considering he is literally a product of Philippine Education and basketball development dating back to his teenage years.

inviting some guest team(s) ala BAD storyline is also one on the wishlist, maybe SGA can sponsor a team led by Dwight Howard and Andre Blatche, the one who recently played during that Dubai tourney(Man oh Man!! that hala!! hala!! shouting of that Arab commentator started to play on my subconscious right now) that Alab Pilipinas or the Zamboanga Valientes led by Malik Diouf is also a good team as far as PBA level are concern.

actually there's so many things on the table it's just a matter of.."gusto ba ng mga lolo yung mga bagong menu on the table".

does the Grandpa are warm and fuzzy about new things.

The PBA's now studying scrapping the height limits for imports for next season. However, they're lukewarm on the two-import format.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-studying-the-scrapping-of-height-limit-for-imports-says-marcial-a795-20240527

The reason for being lukewarm to the two-import format is due to "logistical problems (cost) and concerns that Filipino players will have so little opportunities to shine under a format." Well, I think it has some sense now, because we have a lot of good players at the forward positions, where we usually get our imports for the Governors' Cup. At 3, we have Oftana, Arvin, Abueva, Gabe, Navarro (hopefully), Malonzo, Javi, Cahilig, Tuffin, Trollano, potentially David. At 4, we have Santillan, Perkins, Hodge, Troy, Flores, Lucero. Heck, bigs like Datu, Almazan, Calma, Erram, Kelly, Japeth, and even CStand can be moved to the 4. Honestly, for a 2-import format to not prejudice these players, the PBA will need to expand.

As for height, our teams lack size at the 5, that's why unlimited height is beneficial. It helps to move bigs like Datu, Almazan, Calma, Erram, Kelly, Japeth, CStand, Arana, Beau, and Chua to the 4, where they'll be more appropriate size-wise, and gives teams an additional inside presence on offense and/or defense.

[hmbopbaduwap]

The PBA's now studying scrapping the height limits for imports for next season. However, they're lukewarm on the two-import format.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-studying-the-scrapping-of-height-limit-for-imports-says-marcial-a795-20240527

The reason for being lukewarm to the two-import format is due to "logistical problems (cost) and concerns that Filipino players will have so little opportunities to shine under a format." Well, I think it has some sense now, because we have a lot of good players at the forward positions, where we usually get our imports for the Governors' Cup. At 3, we have Oftana, Arvin, Abueva, Gabe, Navarro (hopefully), Malonzo, Javi, Cahilig, Tuffin, Trollano, potentially David. At 4, we have Santillan, Perkins, Hodge, Troy, Flores, Lucero. Heck, bigs like Datu, Almazan, Calma, Erram, Kelly, Japeth, and even CStand can be moved to the 4. Honestly, for a 2-import format to not prejudice these players, the PBA will need to expand.

As for height, our teams lack size at the 5, that's why unlimited height is beneficial. It helps to move bigs like Datu, Almazan, Calma, Erram, Kelly, Japeth, CStand, Arana, Beau, and Chua to the 4, where they'll be more appropriate size-wise, and gives teams an additional inside presence on offense and/or defense.

Maybe just copy the KBL import rule where you can only play one at a time.

[Joe Yabuki]

Cost reasoning could be alleviated by allowing FSAs in ph colleges, as for taking jobs from filipinos, i personally welcome this change this is supposed to be competition how are we be able to breed excellence when we pander to bums that barely make it to the PBA.

[IPC]

Maybe just copy the KBL import rule where you can only play one at a time.

Cost reasoning could be alleviated by allowing FSAs in ph colleges, as for taking jobs from filipinos, i personally welcome this change this is supposed to be competition how are we be able to breed excellence when we pander to bums that barely make it to the PBA.

You don't really need a star import. Maybe a backup at the 5 position can work if the team lacks depth at that spot, or maybe even a 3. And that makes the 1-at-a-time rule more feasible.

And like I said, we have a deficiency at the 5. We need a combination of size and quality there, have our smaller bigs that can play the 4 play more at that spot.

[Silent Killer]

You don't really need a star import. Maybe a backup at the 5 position can work if the team lacks depth at that spot, or maybe even a 3. And that makes the 1-at-a-time rule more feasible.

And like I said, we have a deficiency at the 5. We need a combination of size and quality there, have our smaller bigs that can play the 4 play more at that spot.

Meralco is the perfect example of one scoring import and one defensive/rebounder role(ibeh)

for someone ICYMI

[IPC]

Meralco is the perfect example of one scoring import and one defensive/rebounder role(ikeh)

for someone ICYMI

It honestly sucked that MERALCO won only one game in the EASL. A go-to guy in Zach Lofton, a defensive big in Ibeh, and a good local supporting cast. They weren't complete in their first and last games, though.

But Lofton and Ikeh are best in a lineup when playing together, since MERALCO lack both a go-to guy and a starting-caliber center. Bates is a good rotation big, may become good enough as a starter, and although Almazan can fight inside, I think he's better as a 4 in an international setting, with only spot minutes at 5 (I think the same of a guy like Erram).

[BJ_Reloaded]

The PBA's now studying scrapping the height limits for imports for next season. However, they're lukewarm on the two-import format.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-studying-the-scrapping-of-height-limit-for-imports-says-marcial-a795-20240527

The reason for being lukewarm to the two-import format is due to "logistical problems (cost) and concerns that Filipino players will have so little opportunities to shine under a format." Well, I think it has some sense now, because we have a lot of good players at the forward positions, where we usually get our imports for the Governors' Cup. At 3, we have Oftana, Arvin, Abueva, Gabe, Navarro (hopefully), Malonzo, Javi, Cahilig, Tuffin, Trollano, potentially David. At 4, we have Santillan, Perkins, Hodge, Troy, Flores, Lucero. Heck, bigs like Datu, Almazan, Calma, Erram, Kelly, Japeth, and even CStand can be moved to the 4. Honestly, for a 2-import format to not prejudice these players, the PBA will need to expand.

As for height, our teams lack size at the 5, that's why unlimited height is beneficial. It helps to move bigs like Datu, Almazan, Calma, Erram, Kelly, Japeth, CStand, Arana, Beau, and Chua to the 4, where they'll be more appropriate size-wise, and gives teams an additional inside presence on offense and/or defense.

Sir IPC,

I totally agree.

actually I've already mentioned that logistical/cost thing way before(several times) I dunno if these is from this thread or to other(s).

realistically and financially speaking, having a 2 import format will certainly had some impact on each team's budget, that's the challenge.

but we all know the other challenge was that the league was also a signing/active member of EASL were we all know has this 2 import format.

I don't need to elaborate on this because we all know we hardly make any dent everytime we send a team on that tourney because of some chemistry issue once those import come aboard for just a short notice and the result..a very shameful defeat

that is why to balance those things and we all know since time immemorial those Grandpa are very much fond on a 3 conference format on a yearlong tourney.

we cannot argue with those old folks because that's part of their upbringing since the league started in 75.

many people are suggesting including me that introducing an In-Season tournament with 2 imports are a good innovation moving forward and scrap either the Gov Cup or the Comm Cup.

and why not invite another foreign squad in the same breath as BAD because whether they like it or not, we Filipinos nowadays loves the narrative of the Philippines vs. the World storyline.

the bottomline here is this,

lif they scrap one of those 3 conference(s) I think they could somehow save some serious money along the way and at the same time having a 2 import in an In-Season tourney may somehow solve those chemistry thing that we've seen everytime our PBA team(s) plays in an EASL tourney.

lastly allow AK34 to apply for the next PBA draft to somehow bring parity to the league.

all those things that I've mentioned.

it does makes sense really.