Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[Metta]

A post from the UPD Freedom Wall: https://www.facebook.com/10006809470...KDjYaRkAcBa4yD

"May nanonood ba sa inyo ng PBA?"

This made me laugh. But nowadays, I think there are fewer basketball watchers in UP in general, not just the PBA. Maybe in the UAAP season and NBA playoffs, but that's it.

The nba did a study and found that most young viewers only watch highlights nowadays. That's partly why the league trended towards high-offense style. It looks much better in highlights (dunks, threes, assists) than defense (kuyugan highlights).

It's obviously the trend in the Philippines also. Older generations who watches whole games (and rarer, those who watch live games) are getting too old/dying.

Nowadays, if (young) people go to watch live games, it's mainly "to be seen." UAAP games (apart from the built-in loyal fan base) are packed because it's trendy to post on socmed that you're there.

There are other factors like competitiveness/parity, affordability, etc. But just like everything else that has to do with economics...Demographics is a huge factor. And when it comes to demographics, Philippines is one of the youngest in the whole world. So if any business wants to succeed here, it has to curtail to young audiences.

[Metta]

I wonder if the PBA conducts any study/research at all. Just having an intern regularly check this forum will already give them a lot of useful insights lol.

[greenarcher]

I was in the VIP lounge of the FIBA World Cup where all the bigwigs like MVP and Panlilio were present. They gave off the same vibe as politicians and how people would suck up to these people in power. Just like politicians, don't expect them to connect or sympathize with people on the ground. They are "up there", we are "down here".

[IPC]

I think majority of us here in IBN had already read the posted article about Benny Boatwrights naturalization with attached documents.

I think this is the same template they've use during AK34's processing of his naturalization as well.

if only someone guide and advice the big fellow about one of the several articles in his document that stated that he is entitled to all the benefits, rights, privileges and prerogative being a Filipino blah! blah!

requesting for a request to join the next PBA draft as typical Filipino who lived, studied and developed here as young lad and a baller, well he has all the rights and prerogative as a Filipino.

compared to other naturalized guys who never grow and developed here

well oh well.

The PBA should, at the very least, allow naturalized players and FSA's to play as locals, FSA's (Ange) take up a Fil-foreign spot, while non-FSA's (Brownlee, Blatche) take up import spots. It's the least we can do for our NP's for serving our country well.

[BJ_Reloaded]

The PBA should, at the very least, allow naturalized players and FSA's to play as locals, FSA's (Ange) take up a Fil-foreign spot, while non-FSA's (Brownlee, Blatche) take up import spots. It's the least we can do for our NP's for serving our country well.

Sir IPC,

For me personally, FSA like Malik Diouf among others should have submitted or already had a pending bill in the congress to avail what AK34 and the rest already achieved because the essence of the so-called "local", it should apply strictly only to Filipinos

FSA's who still carries their original passport by birth are still considered as "Import"..IMHO.

[lurklurk]

I've been thinking of something similar to the b league asian quota which is separate from their foreign imports. For the PBA, the requirements will be either an already naturalized foreigner or a former FSA who is willing to be naturalized in the future. A twist i'm imagining is that availing this quota will cut into a team's foreign import budget--therefore they wont be able to get a nba/euroleague caliber import. So a PBA team can have 3 options, either (1) sign a naturalized player with the full import budget, (2) get a naturalized or a future naturalized player on a discount and get another mid-level foreign import or (3) disregard the new player quota and spend their full budget on a foreign import.

Option 1 is something Ginebra might do with Brownlee or SMB with Boatwright.
Option 2 is something independent teams might consider where they can get 2 reinforcements
Option 3 will be considered by teams who have an almost complete roster filling in just a spot to get them to the next level (like TNT, etc)

[IPC]

The PBA needs to do this, In able to bring back those fans who lost the interest of the league… As I said before, No need home and away format, PVL also not a home and away format but become successful…

1.) kick out those alleged farm teams already.. I’m sure all of you know them already… they are the biggest reasons why PBA has lost their glory, we will not appreciate those teams who are not interested on winning..


2.) decrease the sister teams into 2… for MVP group, they should sell NLEX, they putting them into farm team already, while SMC should sell Magnolia, since all of 3 SMC teams, Magnolia was least supported in terms of manpower… I’m sure big time teams are willing to buy their franchise since those 2 have their cores already, plus Magnolia is a popular team, many will have interest to buy that franchise..

3.) No more salary cap, I think it is not applicable in our type of system that we have.. let those teams fighting for players whatever they want… for sure companies are willing to spend millions to bring the players that they want…

4.) although retain trades and rookie drafts to retain the balance of the teams participating… w/ this, guys like Ramos, Edu, thirdy, Abbarientos, (or even Kai) etc… will go home and play here..

5.) make just only 2 conference and abolish height limit… it will make games more competitive

6.) And lastly, fire the current commissioner..


if those mentions did, PBA fans will back.. all of the teams will have their stars, they will have their fan bases, the league will not rely on Ginebra only to have their crowds.. Just like in the 90s, where all teams have their stars…Fans will relate to them…

PBA is being challenged in all fronts.

They are competing with foreign leagues for the best prospects.

They are competing with primetime dramas for timeslot.

They are competing with volleyball for spectators.

Sooner, a domestic pro league might compete with them for basketball supremacy.

Tell me, if PBA is not struggling, what will?

I would start with the farm teams. If there is a way to sell TF and BW and even NP it would improve the league by a lot. Its like in NBA fantasy leagues and owning two teams. And the second team’s purpose is to give good players to the first. It makes that one team stronger but it makes the league weaker. The 2nd team’s slot should have gone to another person who will play it to win.

I actually liked the games this season. This season reminded me of the league before farm teams. There is no assured win. Any team can beat another. Even SMB had games it had to grind out a win like vs TF. It finally succumbed to Meralco.

Regular season games were interesting because you didn’t know who would win. Good rookies and other new players didnt just have empty stats. They actually played to win. Except for Converge, there was no inexplicable rotations. Even Converge would seriously go for the win against strong teams like SMB. But would be overwhelmed by GSM. GSM would lose its last game to NLEX, forcing it to face sister team Mags in the first round. You could see how teams honestly match up against each other. The rookies and the other younger players made every team competitive.

However, this season is taken with a grain of salt. Because we know, after this season, after Converge gets the first pick, TF, BW and NP will compete again for the bottom. Just like an NBA fantasy league that has feeder teams siphoning talent for another. No one is happy in that kind of fantasy league, except the one cheating. Same goes for the PBA.

You dont care if the league is like 8 team home and away as long as they are competitive..australia nbl has what 10 teams..blackwater lost its purpose with kia around and cant do the air 21 route where they become a competitive rookie contract laden team

As long as it's competitive, and the level of play is high. Right now, the PBA doesn't exactly have a high level of play. The league has good players (and only a few are good for better Asian leagues and for Gilas), it just hasn't raised the PBA's level.

There's a difference in having talent, and leveraging it to have a high level of play.

[Silent Killer]

As long as it's competitive, and the level of play is high. Right now, the PBA doesn't exactly have a high level of play. The league has good players (and only a few are good for better Asian leagues and for Gilas), it just hasn't raised the PBA's level.

There's a difference in having talent, and leveraging it to have a high level of play.

fans are smart nowadays. before the success of gilas is the success of PBA. it’s not the case anymore.. PBA can’t hide the issues for the long time to the fans..

[r1ck]

I think people would be intrigued if independent teams suddenly find a resurgence to challenge the grip of the corporate teams. Im thinking Converge with all their resources could figure things out and build a super team that could consistently contend every conference.

[BJ_Reloaded]

I was in the VIP lounge of the FIBA World Cup where all the bigwigs like MVP and Panlilio were present. They gave off the same vibe as politicians and how people would suck up to these people in power. Just like politicians, don't expect them to connect or sympathize with people on the ground. They are "up there", we are "down here".

Sir Green,

that's the mindset of a typical oligarch.

they don't need a government because they are already full.

not us, a typical Juan Dela Cruz, we badly need a government to somehow assist us on so many ways.

[IPC]

Only incentive for them is the hefty pay they will get while they play for gilas (RE: Blatche). Pba should allow the home grown fsa to play as locals (or count them as part of the fil-foreign quota per team). We develop them and most of them settle in the country and have regular day jobs and establish families.

We can use the FSA's like Malick Diouf, Ange, or Lenda Douanga as centers. Make the PF-sized bigs like Datu, BGR, Almazan, Erram, Carino, even Arana play the 4 most of the time. Only local centers that are not tradeable for an import at the center spot are Japeth, June Mar, Arana, and CStand. The rest are best as backups, or as fours alongside the center import.

I actually have an article from the Ateneo Law Journal that kinda advocates for less foreign quotas.

[r1ck]

So there is a rumor floating around from a korean source that Troy Rosario is in serious talks to sign a short term contract (which will run until mid December) with the Sono Skygunners. In addition the same ball club is talking with another pinoy college player (most likely KQ) to replace Rosario once his contract is up.

[lurklurk]

We can use the FSA's like Malick Diouf, Ange, or Lenda Douanga as centers. Make the PF-sized bigs like Datu, BGR, Almazan, Erram, Carino, even Arana play the 4 most of the time. Only local centers that are not tradeable for an import at the center spot are Japeth, June Mar, Arana, and CStand. The rest are best as backups, or as fours alongside the center import.

I actually have an article from the Ateneo Law Journal that kinda advocates for less foreign quotas.

PBA board easily says No to this. Goes against one of their mission statement since they don't consider FSA's as part of their human resource.

[Joe Yabuki]

I've been thinking of something similar to the b league asian quota which is separate from their foreign imports. For the PBA, the requirements will be either an already naturalized foreigner or a former FSA who is willing to be naturalized in the future. A twist i'm imagining is that availing this quota will cut into a team's foreign import budget--therefore they wont be able to get a nba/euroleague caliber import. So a PBA team can have 3 options, either (1) sign a naturalized player with the full import budget, (2) get a naturalized or a future naturalized player on a discount and get another mid-level foreign import or (3) disregard the new player quota and spend their full budget on a foreign import.

Option 1 is something Ginebra might do with Brownlee or SMB with Boatwright.
Option 2 is something independent teams might consider where they can get 2 reinforcements
Option 3 will be considered by teams who have an almost complete roster filling in just a spot to get them to the next level (like TNT, etc)

if theres one person who can probably break the FSA rule, its Brownlee. Fans should rally for his inclusion as a local if it happens it will open all the floodgates.

[lurklurk]

if theres one person who can probably break the FSA rule, its Brownlee. Fans should rally for his inclusion as a local if it happens it will open all the floodgates.

I agree with this 100%. Chua and SMC being his sponsors, so he has leverage as well.