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  • Originally posted by Kaireem View Post

    question is are ratings down because there's no interest or due to new digital platforms to watch the games?
    Partly but this is multifactorial. A big thing is the NFL absolutely dominating the US market. People are also understanding the regular season doesnt matter as much. Resting star players leads to poor ratings too and we know the trend is towards rest.

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    • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

      "NBA also added play-in tournament which devalue the regular season"

      - Play-in does not really devalue the regular season. It's the exact opposite because it will give a chance to the 9th and 10th seeds or teams that peaked a little late in the season. It also pushes the 11th, 12th and even 13th seed to work harder and not just tank the whole for the next year's draft. I also like the play-in as well because of this reason.

      ​​​​​​"Also if anything the NBA regular season is too long but again money talks"

      - NBA has a real off-season of roughly 3-4 months. The PBA does not have such a long off-season, or even a real off-season in the first place. Summer League and Pre-Season tourmaments occur during these periods so the NBA is still operating even in the off-season.
      The Play In devalues the regular season because it requires a team just to not be a bottom third team in the conference and you have a shot unlike before where basically half the teams make it.

      But my main point is if you run a league you want the more of the higher stakes games, especially from a business standpoint.

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      • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
        The Play In devalues the regular season because it requires a team just to not be a bottom third team in the conference and you have a shot unlike before where basically half the teams make it.

        But my main point is if you run a league you want the more of the higher stakes games, especially from a business standpoint.
        I think the PBA could have a similar model if they want more high-stakes games. Players can be rested, and more opportunities for young guys in longer elimination games. One longer league, a cup tournament similar to Spain's Copa del Rey and the NBA's in-season tournament, and a supercup tournament where the top 2 or top 4 of the league and cup compete. That way, you have more high-stakes games while not compromising the availability of players for FIBA events.

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        • Originally posted by IPC View Post

          I think the PBA could have a similar model if they want more high-stakes games. Players can be rested, and more opportunities for young guys in longer elimination games. One longer league, a cup tournament similar to Spain's Copa del Rey and the NBA's in-season tournament, and a supercup tournament where the top 2 or top 4 of the league and cup compete. That way, you have more high-stakes games while not compromising the availability of players for FIBA events.
          I just dont see it, cats out of the bag. Regular season doesnt matter much. Unless they old school baseball it and four team playoffs but that then hurts how many playoff games they can offer.

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          • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

            The Play In devalues the regular season because it requires a team just to not be a bottom third team in the conference and you have a shot unlike before where basically half the teams make it.

            But my main point is if you run a league you want the more of the higher stakes games, especially from a business standpoint.
            and the nba thought that the in-season tournament is a way to make some of the regular season games meaninngful

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            • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post
              I just dont see it, cats out of the bag. Regular season doesnt matter much. Unless they old school baseball it and four team playoffs but that then hurts how many playoff games they can offer.
              Actually, my idea of the cup tournament is straight to playoffs. Same with the Supercup. Leave the regular season to the league.

              If only they found a way to make money without compromising the availability of the players in FIBA tournaments and even the competitive level of the league as compared to other teams (let's see in the EASL).

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              • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

                The Play In devalues the regular season because it requires a team just to not be a bottom third team in the conference and you have a shot unlike before where basically half the teams make it.

                But my main point is if you run a league you want the more of the higher stakes games, especially from a business standpoint.
                Well, the three conference format of the PBA renders a conference champion insignificant because you also have two other co-champions. Do the public even remember who won in the 2015 All-Filipino Cup? PBA conference champions do not resonate that much to the general public, unlike NBA and even UAAP and NCAA.

                This resonance adds to the dynamics of the league. The NBA actually sells this.
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                • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                  Well, the three conference format of the PBA renders a conference champion insignificant because you also have two other co-champions. Do the public even remember who won in the 2015 All-Filipino Cup? PBA conference champions do not resonate that much to the general public, unlike NBA and even UAAP and NCAA.

                  This resonance adds to the dynamics of the league. The NBA actually sells this.
                  Ratings wise the other conference finals actually do decent pull. Its not a prestige thing, its business. UAAP and NCAA championships probably mean more especially to the winners but ratings wise PBA is still king.

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                  • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

                    Partly but this is multifactorial. A big thing is the NFL absolutely dominating the US market. People are also understanding the regular season doesnt matter as much. Resting star players leads to poor ratings too and we know the trend is towards rest.
                    well the nfl has always been the more valuable sports league brand in the us, in terms of revenue they're still bigger even if you combine those of the nba, nhl and major league baseball.

                    but on its own nba revenues have been growing yoy from 2012-2019, only the pandemic years led to a contraction but in 2022 they hit an all time high of usd10billion, and majority of that comes from tv.

                    yes they're smaller than the nfl but business is booming.

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                    • Originally posted by Kaireem View Post

                      well the nfl has always been the more valuable sports league brand in the us, in terms of revenue they're still bigger even if you combine those of the nba, nhl and major league baseball.

                      but on its own nba revenues have been growing yoy from 2012-2019, only the pandemic years led to a contraction but in 2022 they hit an all time high of usd10billion, and majority of that comes from tv.

                      yes they're smaller than the nfl but business is booming.
                      The NBA is doing fine. They have many bidders for their media rights. Although I dont think theyll get insane money due to cable cutting. But Im pretty sure inovations like the play in and the in season tournament have ratings in mind and the issue with regular season ratings is legit which is why Adam Silver is trying hard to curb resting.

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                      • Originally posted by CoJ View Post

                        boy i was so wrong about market interest on teng
                        Same here. Would have been better if he ended up in Magnolia. Chito would up his game.

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                        • Originally posted by CoJ View Post

                          boy i was so wrong about market interest on teng
                          SMB is a star collector. It has the money to pay them. I wouldnt bet the offer is significantly bigger than the 420k Converge offered. I still think there are a lot of SFs bigger and better than Teng.

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                          • Originally posted by Rds View Post

                            SMB is a star collector. It has the money to pay them. I wouldnt bet the offer is significantly bigger than the 420k Converge offered. I still think there are a lot of SFs bigger and better than Teng.
                            was thinking if smb bit the 800k-900k asking price of Teng, probably not but true, the smb offer is probably bigger than converge’s

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                            • Originally posted by CoJ View Post

                              was thinking if smb bit the 800k-900k asking price of Teng, probably not but true, the smb offer is probably bigger than converge’s
                              I think this is gonna be an asset flip if it doesnt work out this conference. One of Go, Navarro or Holt probably.

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                              • As per Carlo Pamintuan: Northport will have Australian Venky Jois as their import


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