Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[IPC]

2 year extension for Will Navarro

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/w...MUbXjqJnN3wWbk

Looks like he's stuck here for the short term. And he's already 26. Hope this doesn't affect his Gilas availability.

[JOI2dWorld]

Looks like he's stuck here for the short term. And he's already 26. Hope this doesn't affect his Gilas availability.

his trade stock is low right now because of his injury i will not be surprised if he will be traded to one of the smc teams, with smc being poised to take over the reigns of SBP i do think he will be available for gilas, and Will also don't have a choice right now no overseas team will sign him being injured, maybe a buyout will do in case he wants to play overseas

[reamily]

Kume Marcial says that the PBA is willing to adjust to Gilas, but problem is that the FIBA schedule is uncertain.

https://www.onesports.ph/gilas/article/12074/pba-very-much-willing-to-adjust-for-gilas-pilipinas-but-there-s-one-problem-explains-willie-marcial

Kume says that if FIBA tournaments aren't scheduled, three-conference format will be followed.

Here's an opinion: How about two conferences for good, and make the necessary reforms (i.e. transparency in salaries and trades, better marketing for teams) to address the lack of revenue? Tutal, every game except Ginebra games and playoff games is a net negative in expenses, e.

Think okbet, 757 bet 365

[IPC]

his trade stock is low right now because of his injury i will not be surprised if he will be traded to one of the smc teams, with smc being poised to take over the reigns of SBP i do think he will be available for gilas, and Will also don't have a choice right now no overseas team will sign him being injured, maybe a buyout will do in case he wants to play overseas

High or low trade value, SMC always successfully buys low. If Will ends up with SMC, he's basically stuck in the PBA forever. The packages are too good.

It honestly sucks for Will, as he shouldn't have signed the contract in the first place and gotten in the Gilas draft. Another is, fuck SBP for terminating his contract only after Samsung (Will's KBL team) signed his replacement, forcing him in the PBA, and preventing him from getting cleared by FIBA. That reeked of bad faith to me, honestly. He had already requested termination of his Gilas contract. Plus, he wasn't getting called up and used much anyway.

[BJ_Reloaded]

Whatever issues Will Navarro had encountered before its all under the bridge now. The important thing is there is no dead end as far as his basketball career with that newly signed contract of his. With so many aspiring ballers out there hoping for a PBA contract the guy is still blessed.
For now he needs to continue his rehab, keep himself in good shape, re-build that confidence and that mojos he is known for, once he is allowed to play the game. The important thing is keeps on grinding and always keep the fire burning inside his belly.

[Sikatrix]

High or low trade value, SMC always successfully buys low. If Will ends up with SMC, he's basically stuck in the PBA forever. The packages are too good.

It honestly sucks for Will, as he shouldn't have signed the contract in the first place and gotten in the Gilas draft. Another is, fuck SBP for terminating his contract only after Samsung (Will's KBL team) signed his replacement, forcing him in the PBA, and preventing him from getting cleared by FIBA. That reeked of bad faith to me, honestly. He had already requested termination of his Gilas contract. Plus, he wasn't getting called up and used much anyway.

Gilas draft was a deal between the SBP and the PBA. Should the SBP have reneged on the deal? Also Navarro joined the Gilas Draft on his own volition. Sometimes you outplay your contract but you still have to honor it.

[IPC]

Gilas draft was a deal between the SBP and the PBA. Should the SBP have reneged on the deal? Also Navarro joined the Gilas Draft on his own volition. Sometimes you outplay your contract but you still have to honor it.

He wasn't getting called up to Gilas after the FIBA Asia Cup, though, despite being one if our best options at SF. Agree naman on the free will part, which is why I said that Will shouldn't have joined in the first place. And, contracts can be terminated too by either party as part of the freedom to contract. Still, even if the Gilas contract were terminated and Will got the clearance and went to Samsung, NorthPort would still have his rights, as they were the team that drafted him. Similar to the draft-and-stash of the NBA.

And, given how the PBA has acted towards the national team except this year, yes, I think it would have been good if SBP could have reneged on the deal. Does the PBA some good if given a dose of their own medicine for a change. Then, I realized that the SBP has PBA officials heading them, so that will not happen.

Note: I'm not exactly a fan of how the PBA is being run nowadays, and I've called them a farmers' league. Furthermore, I've soundly criticized them for not giving support to the NT until only recently, so maybe my opinions might be charged from that.

[JOI2dWorld]

gilas draft was never a thing up until 2016 when TNT do not have a first round pick when most of the top prospects of sinag applied for the draft, and from not having a pick TNT was able to get Roger Pogoy one of the the top rookie prospects alongside Belo and Wright i do believe that without the gilas draft Pogoy will easily be a top 3 pick , i noticed that whenever there is a bunch of good prospects from the amateur ranks that also joined the cadet program this special draft was being implemented, though for the past 2 versions it was only the bottom 5 teams were given the chance to pick in the special draft, if overseas league did not come to picture for sure there will be another special draft for these cadet players and might be available for every team especially if the team of those who are running the show do not have a FRP, now its unfair to say that PBA do not give support to the national team except in 2011 , PBA represented Gilas in most of FIBA sanctioned competitions, even in the qualifiers for the 2019 world cup, after the pandemic most businesses were trying to recover their losses and PBA is also a business so its quite understandable that they did not participate in any post pandemic tournament , prior to the 4th window of the qualifiers and during the TAB era. but we all know what happened im just trying to point out that before the pandemic PBA always represents the country in FIBA tournaments and them trying to recover after the pandemic is the reason why they did not participate during the last run of TAB with the national team, and some of the players of that TAB team were those selected in the special draft

[magic_chiongson]

without the gilas draft Pogoy will easily be a top 3 pick

i don't think so, back in 2016 pogoy wasn't as highly touted as his other feu teammates. he has improved significantly since he joined the pba. if 2016 didn't have the gilas draft wright, belo, ferrer, jalalon would be the consensus top 4, 5-9 would be in no particular order: pogoy, tolomia, van opstal, daquioag, escoto. 10-12 would be pessumal, cbc, gotladera.

[Rds]

gilas draft was never a thing up until 2016 when TNT do not have a first round pick when most of the top prospects of sinag applied for the draft, and from not having a pick TNT was able to get Roger Pogoy one of the the top rookie prospects alongside Belo and Wright i do believe that without the gilas draft Pogoy will easily be a top 3 pick , i noticed that whenever there is a bunch of good prospects from the amateur ranks that also joined the cadet program this special draft was being implemented, though for the past 2 versions it was only the bottom 5 teams were given the chance to pick in the special draft, if overseas league did not come to picture for sure there will be another special draft for these cadet players and might be available for every team especially if the team of those who are running the show do not have a FRP, now its unfair to say that PBA do not give support to the national team except in 2011 , PBA represented Gilas in most of FIBA sanctioned competitions, even in the qualifiers for the 2019 world cup, after the pandemic most businesses were trying to recover their losses and PBA is also a business so its quite understandable that they did not participate in any post pandemic tournament , prior to the 4th window of the qualifiers and during the TAB era. but we all know what happened im just trying to point out that before the pandemic PBA always represents the country in FIBA tournaments and them trying to recover after the pandemic is the reason why they did not participate during the last run of TAB with the national team, and some of the players of that TAB team were those selected in the special draft

I dont really agree with this. Was Pogoy really good in college? He was an SF/PF shorter, less athletic, less of a scorer and much less featured than Mac Belo. Don’t tell me you knew Pogoy would be a star with his play in FEU? The guy worked his butt off to develop frim a role player to a star scorer. Just look at all the Gilas draft players of 2016. Many of them were star of their college teams. I dont think anybody complained when TNT got him. With SMCs track record of development I dont think he would be the star he is today if SMC drafted him. TNT gave him the opportunity and Pogoy did the rest.

Alaska Aces - Carl Bryan Cruz
Barangay Ginebra San Miguel - Kevin Ferrer
Blacwater Elite - Mac Belo
GlobalPort Batang Pier - Von Pessumal
Mahindra Floodbuster - Russel Escoto
Meralco Bolts - Ed Daquioag
NLEX Road Warriors - Alfonso Gotladera
Phoenix Fuel Masters - Matthew Wright
Rain Or Shine Elasto Painters - Mike Tolomia
San Miguel Beermen - Arnold Van Opstal
Star Hotshots - Jiovani Jalalon
TNT KaTropa - Roger Pogoy

[JOI2dWorld]

i don't think so, back in 2016 pogoy wasn't as highly touted as his other feu teammates. he has improved significantly since he joined the pba. if 2016 didn't have the gilas draft wright, belo, ferrer, jalalon would be the consensus top 4, 5-9 would be in no particular order: pogoy, tolomia, van opstal, daquioag, escoto. 10-12 would be pessumal, cbc, gotladera.

Pogoy was fresh from winning uaap finals before the draft and one of the major reason why feu won, though Belo was the main man but Pogoy's draft stock was high let's say if a team being coached by Yeng Guiao had a top 3 or pick i will not be surprised if he will be selected

[CoJ]

I dont really agree with this. Was Pogoy really good in college? He was an SF/PF shorter, less athletic, less of a scorer and much less featured than Mac Belo. Don’t tell me you knew Pogoy would be a star with his play in FEU? The guy worked his butt off to develop frim a role player to a star scorer. Just look at all the Gilas draft players of 2016. Many of them were star of their college teams. I dont think anybody complained when TNT got him. With SMCs track record of development I dont think he would be the star he is today if SMC drafted him. TNT gave him the opportunity and Pogoy did the rest.

Alaska Aces - Carl Bryan Cruz
Barangay Ginebra San Miguel - Kevin Ferrer
Blacwater Elite - Mac Belo
GlobalPort Batang Pier - Von Pessumal
Mahindra Floodbuster - Russel Escoto
Meralco Bolts - Ed Daquioag
NLEX Road Warriors - Alfonso Gotladera
Phoenix Fuel Masters - Matthew Wright
Rain Or Shine Elasto Painters - Mike Tolomia
San Miguel Beermen - Arnold Van Opstal
Star Hotshots - Jiovani Jalalon
TNT KaTropa - Roger Pogoy

as far as i remember, long hair lobbied/played his politics to get his boy kevin ferrer in the special draft. And its obvious why SMB took AVO despite needing shooters to surround Junmar.

[JOI2dWorld]

I dont really agree with this. Was Pogoy really good in college? He was an SF/PF shorter, less athletic, less of a scorer and much less featured than Mac Belo. Don’t tell me you knew Pogoy would be a star with his play in FEU? The guy worked his butt off to develop frim a role player to a star scorer. Just look at all the Gilas draft players of 2016. Many of them were star of their college teams. I dont think anybody complained when TNT got him. With SMCs track record of development I dont think he would be the star he is today if SMC drafted him. TNT gave him the opportunity and Pogoy did the rest.

Alaska Aces - Carl Bryan Cruz
Barangay Ginebra San Miguel - Kevin Ferrer
Blacwater Elite - Mac Belo
GlobalPort Batang Pier - Von Pessumal
Mahindra Floodbuster - Russel Escoto
Meralco Bolts - Ed Daquioag
NLEX Road Warriors - Alfonso Gotladera
Phoenix Fuel Masters - Matthew Wright
Rain Or Shine Elasto Painters - Mike Tolomia
San Miguel Beermen - Arnold Van Opstal
Star Hotshots - Jiovani Jalalon
TNT KaTropa - Roger Pogoy

Pogoy was big during the final 4 and the finals he may not be as famous as the other names but i think if the normal draft was followed and if yeng guiao has a higher pick he will select him and if i remember correctly when the first news about the special draft was released nlex selected Pogoy while TNT has gotladera , and that gilas draft was a little controversial during that time as teams without a first round pick was able to select from the top prospects out of college, some even want to follow the normal draft order for the special draft

[IPC]

gilas draft was never a thing up until 2016 when TNT do not have a first round pick when most of the top prospects of sinag applied for the draft, and from not having a pick TNT was able to get Roger Pogoy one of the the top rookie prospects alongside Belo and Wright i do believe that without the gilas draft Pogoy will easily be a top 3 pick , i noticed that whenever there is a bunch of good prospects from the amateur ranks that also joined the cadet program this special draft was being implemented, though for the past 2 versions it was only the bottom 5 teams were given the chance to pick in the special draft, if overseas league did not come to picture for sure there will be another special draft for these cadet players and might be available for every team especially if the team of those who are running the show do not have a FRP, now its unfair to say that PBA do not give support to the national team except in 2011 , PBA represented Gilas in most of FIBA sanctioned competitions, even in the qualifiers for the 2019 world cup, after the pandemic most businesses were trying to recover their losses and PBA is also a business so its quite understandable that they did not participate in any post pandemic tournament , prior to the 4th window of the qualifiers and during the TAB era. but we all know what happened im just trying to point out that before the pandemic PBA always represents the country in FIBA tournaments and them trying to recover after the pandemic is the reason why they did not participate during the last run of TAB with the national team, and some of the players of that TAB team were those selected in the special draft

Honestly, I think the Gilas draft wasn't a big success for the NT. Maybe the 2019 one for the tram when Tab was program director, but in terms of individual performance, not really. From the draftees, only Navarro and Heading became good players for Gilas. Mike Nieto performed well for Gilas, especially during the June 2021 window, but he's not a long-term NT material. Go's not NT material, just there for Tab's system. Matt, Suerte, Tungcab, and Rangel didn't play many games. Bulanadi didn't play at all.

Wright and Pogoy played well in the 2017 FIBA Asia Cup, but routinely underperformed in succeeding tournaments where they were called up. Jalalon's not NT material, same with CBC. AVO rotted with SMB and NorthPort, and Pessumal, Gotladera, Escoto, Belo, Daquioag, and Tolomia weren't called up at all for FIBA windows, FIBA Asia Cup, and FIBA WCs.

[JOI2dWorld]

Honestly, I think the Gilas draft wasn't a big success for the NT. Maybe the 2019 one for the tram when Tab was program director, but in terms of individual performance, not really. From the draftees, only Navarro and Heading became good players for Gilas. Mike Nieto performed well for Gilas, especially during the June 2021 window, but he's not a long-term NT material. Go's not NT material, just there for Tab's system. Matt, Suerte, Tungcab, and Rangel didn't play many games. Bulanadi didn't play at all.

Wright and Pogoy played well in the 2017 FIBA Asia Cup, but routinely underperformed in succeeding tournaments where they were called up. Jalalon's not NT material, same with CBC. AVO rotted with SMB and NorthPort, and Pessumal, Gotladera, Escoto, Belo, Daquioag, and Tolomia weren't called up at all for FIBA windows, FIBA Asia Cup, and FIBA WCs.

this batch was supposed to be the next version of Gilas 1 but all of them decided to go pro and was supposed to be the team that will represent the Philippines in international tournaments but i think they only played in SEA games , first the plan is they will be drafted and loaned out to the national team but it didn't pan out especially when teams without a first round pick was able to select in the special draft, and none of only few of them played for the national team after being drafted, and if iirc SBP was really trying to emulate gilas 1 but the top college stars that were included in the pool always they decided to join the draft, now we don't have what they call the sinag team, and i think with the presence of overseas league it will be hard to emulate the gilas 1 as most collegiate start would rather play overseas and earn big money well i cant blame them, the best solution is development from youth level, but with the sportlitics in our country it will always be a wishful thinking