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  • Originally posted by IPC View Post
    No, I haven't. I'm a history graduate and law student, and no inherited businesses.

    Pero kasi, that's their job, they assumed the risk of expenses. Find ways to attract customers and to turn a profit.
    Ita easy for us to say about risk because we don't spend 200M or more to run a PBA team.
    PBA is not earning but a cost or expense for companies. We will asked them to spend more but no guarantee on higher live attendance. How sure are you again that fans will be troping to venues.

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    • I really do believe that the only way for the PBA to survive is to bring back the interest of its fan base. Let's take the UAAP for example, you see people coming in to watch volleyball and basketball regardless of whether games are on weekdays or weekends. Heck even with the less popular teams playing they are able to draw more people as compared to Terrafirma, Blackwater or even Converge/Alaska.

      The PBA really shot themselves in the foot when they allowed the SMC and MVP teams to take hold of the reins and now the league is reduced to a pissing contest between the two. Of course people will lose interest when its only those 3 teams (Ginebra, San Miguel and TNT) that are always fighting for the championships. It has come to a point where elimination games feels like they are just being played out of formality and the real games only start during the semifinals. You could even see it in the player's body language, they dont put in even half the effort as to what we see in the collegiate level. Its like the "other" teams are just going through the motions knowing too well that they dont stand a chance against the big money teams. And the idiots running the PBA expect the fans to be okay with it.
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      • Originally posted by r1ck View Post
        I really do believe that the only way for the PBA to survive is to bring back the interest of its fan base. Let's take the UAAP for example, you see people coming in to watch volleyball and basketball regardless of whether games are on weekdays or weekends. Heck even with the less popular teams playing they are able to draw more people as compared to Terrafirma, Blackwater or even Converge/Alaska.

        The PBA really shot themselves in the foot when they allowed the SMC and MVP teams to take hold of the reins and now the league is reduced to a pissing contest between the two. Of course people will lose interest when its only those 3 teams (Ginebra, San Miguel and TNT) that are always fighting for the championships. It has come to a point where elimination games feels like they are just being played out of formality and the real games only start during the semifinals. You could even see it in the player's body language, they dont put in even half the effort as to what we see in the collegiate level. Its like the "other" teams are just going through the motions knowing too well that they dont stand a chance against the big money teams. And the idiots running the PBA expect the fans to be okay with it.
        I agree with you, just like why Apple, BMW, and other high-cost consumer goods are profitable. Perception and Integrity is a big factor, even at a premium, consumers will still buy them. PBA should regain that by following its own rules and pronouncements. If they can't follow salary caps, if teams and players want to pay and get paid and no more trade restrictions then turn into a Euro league style rules o B.League. You can innovate on formats, playing venues, eligibilities, if they can get their integrity back. Even they are the highest form of basketball in Philippines if they don't have integrity, it won't matter.

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        • Originally posted by r1ck View Post
          I really do believe that the only way for the PBA to survive is to bring back the interest of its fan base. Let's take the UAAP for example, you see people coming in to watch volleyball and basketball regardless of whether games are on weekdays or weekends. Heck even with the less popular teams playing they are able to draw more people as compared to Terrafirma, Blackwater or even Converge/Alaska.

          The PBA really shot themselves in the foot when they allowed the SMC and MVP teams to take hold of the reins and now the league is reduced to a pissing contest between the two. Of course people will lose interest when its only those 3 teams (Ginebra, San Miguel and TNT) that are always fighting for the championships. It has come to a point where elimination games feels like they are just being played out of formality and the real games only start during the semifinals. You could even see it in the player's body language, they dont put in even half the effort as to what we see in the collegiate level. Its like the "other" teams are just going through the motions knowing too well that they dont stand a chance against the big money teams. And the idiots running the PBA expect the fans to be okay with it.
          unlike the PBA, the UAAP has a automatic fanbase in its students (plus their family), alumni, faculty and staff.

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          • Originally posted by r1ck View Post
            I really do believe that the only way for the PBA to survive is to bring back the interest of its fan base. Let's take the UAAP for example, you see people coming in to watch volleyball and basketball regardless of whether games are on weekdays or weekends. Heck even with the less popular teams playing they are able to draw more people as compared to Terrafirma, Blackwater or even Converge/Alaska.

            The PBA really shot themselves in the foot when they allowed the SMC and MVP teams to take hold of the reins and now the league is reduced to a pissing contest between the two. Of course people will lose interest when its only those 3 teams (Ginebra, San Miguel and TNT) that are always fighting for the championships. It has come to a point where elimination games feels like they are just being played out of formality and the real games only start during the semifinals. You could even see it in the player's body language, they dont put in even half the effort as to what we see in the collegiate level. Its like the "other" teams are just going through the motions knowing too well that they dont stand a chance against the big money teams. And the idiots running the PBA expect the fans to be okay with it.
            Well said bro. Elimination round has just become a formality na lang talaga. And we are like foolish watching those games as if teams like NLEX, Northport, Blackwater, Peraperma, Converge, Phoenix, have good chances making it to the finals.

            That is why when Rain or Shine routed Ginebra about 2 weeks ago, I can't help but have this feeling ROS may have routed Ginebra early in the eliminations but in the long run, Ginebra would make it to the finals while ROS would even struggle making it to the quarterfinals.
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            • Originally posted by zairex View Post
              You see how low attendance in elimination round. It will cost more. So logically it will reduce any sales and increase the cost.

              How is this better?
              You missed what I've said. They need more road games - more games outside Metro Manila.

              I think, you are just looking at the gate attendance of Metro Manila venues. Bring it to the province, it will be sold out, whether it is pandemic or not, whether or not there is an inflation.
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              • Originally posted by r1ck View Post
                I really do believe that the only way for the PBA to survive is to bring back the interest of its fan base. Let's take the UAAP for example, you see people coming in to watch volleyball and basketball regardless of whether games are on weekdays or weekends. Heck even with the less popular teams playing they are able to draw more people as compared to Terrafirma, Blackwater or even Converge/Alaska.

                The PBA really shot themselves in the foot when they allowed the SMC and MVP teams to take hold of the reins and now the league is reduced to a pissing contest between the two. Of course people will lose interest when its only those 3 teams (Ginebra, San Miguel and TNT) that are always fighting for the championships. It has come to a point where elimination games feels like they are just being played out of formality and the real games only start during the semifinals. You could even see it in the player's body language, they dont put in even half the effort as to what we see in the collegiate level. Its like the "other" teams are just going through the motions knowing too well that they dont stand a chance against the big money teams. And the idiots running the PBA expect the fans to be okay with it.
                Originally posted by zairex View Post
                I agree with you, just like why Apple, BMW, and other high-cost consumer goods are profitable. Perception and Integrity is a big factor, even at a premium, consumers will still buy them. PBA should regain that by following its own rules and pronouncements. If they can't follow salary caps, if teams and players want to pay and get paid and no more trade restrictions then turn into a Euro league style rules o B.League. You can innovate on formats, playing venues, eligibilities, if they can get their integrity back. Even they are the highest form of basketball in Philippines if they don't have integrity, it won't matter.
                Both of you guys missed something - UAAP has a built-in fanbase. They have students, faculties, and alumni of each schools as their fans. UAAP will never run out of fans. PBA can.
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                • Originally posted by CoJ View Post
                  unlike the PBA, the UAAP has a automatic fanbase in its students (plus their family), alumni, faculty and staff.
                  I agree with you.
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                  • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
                    Both of you guys missed something - UAAP has a built-in fanbase. They have students, faculties, and alumni of each schools as their fans. UAAP will never run out of fans. PBA can.
                    True the dynamics of UAAP and even the US NCAA are different from professional leagues. We are talking about what can PBA to improve its reputation hence having more funs in the seats.

                    Even with so many scandals in US NCAA, they continue to get support because of affinity more than the actual game.

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                    • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
                      You missed what I've said. They need more road games - more games outside Metro Manila.

                      I think you are just looking at the gate attendance of Metro Manila venues. Bring it to the province, it will be sold out, whether it is a pandemic or not, whether or not there is inflation.
                      First, the reason it can't do more road games is the same reason why MBA, MBPL, FilBasket, etc, are not doing home and away games. And the prices of tickets are higher in PBA than in the other leagues. It might be sold out in one game but having multiple games, might not be sustainable. Even MBPL doesn't sell out every game, what more if it's a higher ticket price? Besides the LGU helps with the cost but can't sustain it for a longer period. You don't want local politics involved.

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                      • Good read

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                              • Tama yun idea, the mediocre team the farm teams have them adopt a province/home court.. pba cannot get an equal home and away for all teams(lfinancially draining and just adapt the mpbl format if tehre is one) but since this teams have more home games it negates the manpower advantage this elite teams have and yes the provincial teams will support their team no matter what
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