Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[Rds]

Well, that goes to shit.

Apart from Yeng, are there any other teams willing to trot out a proper small-ball lineup similar to NorthPort's, with a tall SF?

Pido used Ferrer as the Parks-killer in college IRC. And he also has no choice. Arwind cannot play the 3. So Malonzo has to slide to 3.

Black uses 5'10 Quinto at 3 at times and Hodge is not skilled enough to be an SF.

Cone uses Tolentino at 3. But they suck defensively.

Mocon plays 3. But ROS doesnt use the 2-4 interchangeable lineup.

But I think it works because of Trollano. He is a deadly 3 pt shooter and strong defender. But he can drive well enough. I dont think theres anybody in the league who has his combination of shooting, defense and hardworking attitude. He is a poor mans Lassiter. But thats a lot

[mathematicianrcg]

Man, I really hope that a team that regularly does one or more of these combinations wins a PBA championship:

1. Properly-sized traditional lineup (at least at the frontcourt spots);
2. A proper small ball lineup (good size internationally at 3 and 4);
2b. A lineup with three international sized wings manning the 3, 4, and 5.

One of these lineups should win to force a paradigm shift away from Pinoy small ball, which has at the 3 spot a player too undersized to play SF, at least in the PBA.

I dunno, just spitting ideas at this point.

Let's start on determining who are a proper sized SF players in Pba who at least have talent to play that position.

Malonzo?
Adams? (Should play as SF, he doesnt have a team still?)
Arvin Tolentino?
Oftana?
Ferrer?

[IPC]

Let's start on determining who are a proper sized SF players in Pba who at least have talent to play that position.

Malonzo?
Adams? (Should play as SF, he doesnt have a team still?)
Arvin Tolentino?
Oftana?
Ferrer?

I made a list earlier.

Semerad got me thinking about how the small ball 4 has become more common for PBA teams. And a great majority are good-sized for the position already. And all of them can play the 3 and play or guard the perimeter.

NLEX - 6'4" Semerad, 6'5" Oftana
TerraFirma - 6'5" Cahilig, 6'5" Adams (although he usually plays the 3)
NorthPort - 6'4" Arwind, 6'5" Ferrer, 6'6" Malonzo
Ginebra - 6'3" Mariano, 6'4" Dillinger, 6'5" Tolentino
Magnolia - 6'2" Abueva, 6'5" Dionisio
MERALCO - 6'4" Hodge (he used to play SF earlier in his career)
TNT - 6'4" Khobuntin
Phoenix - 6'4" Anthony, 6'5" Manganti, hopefully 6'5" Camacho
RoS - 6'2" Mocon, 6'4" Santillan, 6'4" Borboran

Hopefully, more 6'4"-6'5" guys come in, and they play the small-ball 4. Eventually, hopefully these guys then get moved to the 3.

Might take out Santillan and Hodge, as they don't play SF these days.

And I only use the listed heights here. Dunno the actual height.

[Rds]

Lets update the list to those who actually play some 3 in the PBA. Only NLEX has 3 players who are good defenders and good shooters and can help dribble the ball up and drive from the perimeter. But unfortunately only Trollano is healthy now.

NLEX - 6'4" Semerad, 6'5" Oftana, 6'2 Trollano
TerraFirma - 6'5" Adams
NorthPort - 6'5" Ferrer, 6'6" Malonzo
Ginebra - 6'3" Mariano, 6'4" Dillinger, 6'5" Tolentino
Magnolia - 6'2" Abueva, 6'5" Dionisio(?)
MERALCO - 6'2 Newsome
TNT - 6'3" Khobuntin
Phoenix - 6'4" Anthony, 6'5" Manganti
RoS - 6'2" Mocon

[CoJ]

Lets update the list to those who actually play some 3 in the PBA. Only NLEX has 3 players who are good defenders and good shooters and can help dribble the ball up and drive from the perimeter. But unfortunately only Trollano is healthy now.

NLEX - 6'4" Semerad, 6'5" Oftana, 6'2 Trollano
TerraFirma - 6'5" Adams
NorthPort - 6'5" Ferrer, 6'6" Malonzo
Ginebra - 6'3" Mariano, 6'4" Dillinger, 6'5" Tolentino
Magnolia - 6'2" Abueva, 6'5" Dionisio(?)
MERALCO - 6'2 Newsome
TNT - 6'3" Khobuntin
Phoenix - 6'4" Anthony, 6'5" Manganti
RoS - 6'2" Mocon

Norwood (6'6)?, though he's already on the last legs of his playing career

[IPC]

Norwood (6'6)?, though he's already on the last legs of his playing career

Forgot about Gabe. Can't believe I didn't put Gilas' prototypical wing on that list.

[CoJ]

Forgot about Gabe. Can't believe I didn't put Gilas' prototypical wing on that list.

I just happy that they didn't force norwood to play PF-C throughout his PBA career

[IPC]

Man, I really hope that a team that regularly does one or more of these combinations wins a PBA championship:

1. Properly-sized traditional lineup (at least at the frontcourt spots);
2. A proper small ball lineup (good size internationally at 3 and 4);
2b. A lineup with three international sized wings manning the 3, 4, and 5.

One of these lineups should win to force a paradigm shift away from Pinoy small ball, which has at the 3 spot a player too undersized to play SF, at least in the PBA.

I dunno, just spitting ideas at this point.

Ginebra actually won in 2017 and 2018 using all three lineups.

Cone has used the following lineups over that span:

Two guards, Brownlee, JDV, Greg/Japeth (lineup 1)
Two guards, Ferrer, Brownlee, Greg/Japeth (lineup 2)
Two guards, Ferrer, Brownlee, JDV (lineup 2b)

The guards were undersized, yes, but the three frontcourt positions were properly-sized, whether small ball or traditional ball.

Man. Shame that no similar properly-sized lineup has won a championship since then.

[IPC]

I just happy that they didn't force norwood to play PF-C throughout his PBA career

Caloy and Yeng aren't really tactically immature. They both played Gabe at 2 and 3 primarily for his career.

Also good that Yeng carried that over to Oftana. He plays Oftana primarily at 3 these days.

[CoJ]

Caloy and Yeng aren't really tactically immature. They both played Gabe at 2 and 3 primarily for his career.

Also good that Yeng carried that over to Oftana. He plays Oftana primarily at 3 these days.

there are also instances when Gabe was the primary ball hander/distributor/PG for ROS.

also among all the local coaches, they were the only ones to greenlight their bigs to shoot the 3. Unfortunately, they are noobs in FIBA competition

[Rds]

there are also instances when Gabe was the primary ball hander/distributor/PG for ROS.

also among all the local coaches, they were the only ones to greenlight their bigs to shoot the 3. Unfortunately, they are noobs in FIBA competition

The PBA rugged center like Belga, doesnt really translate to Fiba. For a few games it worked, until they realized Belga was useless if he is pressured in the perimeter by tall mobile players.

[IPC]

there are also instances when Gabe was the primary ball hander/distributor/PG for ROS.

also among all the local coaches, they were the only ones to greenlight their bigs to shoot the 3. Unfortunately, they are noobs in FIBA competition

Caloy has been a decent developmental coach lately, a. Developed Mocon to a 2/3/4, and retained RoS' defense.

Yeah, it sucks that both are decent developmental coaches, and can use FIBA-size small ball (moreso in Yeng's case), but suck at FIBA.

[mathematicianrcg]

I made a list earlier.



Might take out Santillan and Hodge, as they don't play SF these days.

And I only use the listed heights here. Dunno the actual height.

For me, Minimum is 6'5.

6'2-6'3 is too short unless you are very talented.

6'4 is debatable. But I prefer 6'5-6'6 as minimum

[IPC]

Caloy and Yeng aren't really tactically immature. They both played Gabe at 2 and 3 primarily for his career.

Also good that Yeng carried that over to Oftana. He plays Oftana primarily at 3 these days.

When I said not tactically immature, I only meant with regards to playing wings that are 6'5" and above, as shown when Caloy and Yeng played Gabe and Oftana mostly at 3.

[IPC]

Lets update the list to those who actually play some 3 in the PBA. Only NLEX has 3 players who are good defenders and good shooters and can help dribble the ball up and drive from the perimeter. But unfortunately only Trollano is healthy now.

NLEX - 6'4" Semerad, 6'5" Oftana, 6'2 Trollano
TerraFirma - 6'5" Adams
NorthPort - 6'5" Ferrer, 6'6" Malonzo
Ginebra - 6'3" Mariano, 6'4" Dillinger, 6'5" Tolentino
Magnolia - 6'2" Abueva, 6'5" Dionisio(?)
MERALCO - 6'2 Newsome
TNT - 6'3" Khobuntin
Phoenix - 6'4" Anthony, 6'5" Manganti
RoS - 6'2" Mocon

I'm adding 6'4" MGR and 6'1" Pogoy to TNT, and 6'6" Norwood to RoS.