Philippine PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. III)

[Rds]

Yeah. Coach Chot's system favors Versatile Perimeter oriented bigs, Wing Shooters, and Scoring Guards.

I will say Coach Chot improved a lot since his last pba stint. Probably results of Coaching Clinics, Film Watching, and Coaching Seminars.

No disrespect to Coach Mark Dickel. But I think Coach Chot is the better coach for TNT.

I mean Dickel at least made the Finals. But Coach Chot suddenly won a ring first season when he is just given the team.

You could argue the addition of two williams (Mikey and Kelly) gave them a boost. But still.

Going back, this is nothing new. Coach Chot doesnt do traditional systems and lineups. That's why Junemar Fajardo and Him doesnt Co exist generally. (Except for a few games)

Chot has Kelly and Mikey. Dickel had Parks but gave up too many guys for a good but injury prone player. I have respect for Dickel for being able to maximize Trollanos skillset. If he had a healthy Kelly and a Mikey plus Erram and Troy he wouldve won a championship.

Plus June Mar is post prime now. I dont think Chot wouldve defeated a healthy prime June Mar with the rest of the death 5. Why did he return only now?

[mathematicianrcg]

Chot has Kelly and Mikey. Dickel had Parks but gave up too many guys for a good but injury prone player. I have respect for Dickel for being able to maximize Trollanos skillset. If he had a healthy Kelly and a Mikey plus Erram and Troy he wouldve won a championship.

Plus June Mar is post prime now. I dont think Chot wouldve defeated a healthy prime June Mar with the rest of the death 5. Why did he return only now?

Probably. JMF SMB death 5 dominance is really amazing. Well, because no locals can defend JMF. The only time they would lose is when there is an import. Since u can use the import to guard JMF. just like what Ginebra did when they assigned brownlee on JMF.

Yeah, Dickel made the finals at least. It is a shame Kelly and probably some other vets didnt want to play under him. Mikey is a big factor yes.

I dont know. It is/was MAnagement decision maybe.

[mathematicianrcg]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/2022-pba-draft-who-are-the-early-frontrunners-a2437-20220120

Jeremiah Gray
Jason Brickman
Brandon Ganuellas Rosser
James Canlas
Tyler Tio
Justin Gutang
Justin Arana
Justine Baltazar
Jeo Ambohot
Encho Seranno
Gian Mamuyac

And probably some more Filams or Fil Foreigns that will apply in pba.

I hope Balti and Arana be special draftees.

As for the ineligibles, at least they will increase the quality of the league.

Probably a deep draft this 2022

[IPC]

Actually mgr can play as pg with mikey can play as scoring guard.. Castro can retire now because tnt is one of the teams who will benefit with this UFA rule

Yeah, MGR can play as the lead ballhandler and facilitator given his passing ability, even if his position is as the 3 or even 4. That's positionless basketball in principle.

[IPC]

I'm not familiar with the PBA rules. Have there ever been any 19 year old or 20 year olds that have dominated in the league? Aren't normal rookies like 24 or 25?

Apparently CJ Perez was a 25 year old rookie around the time of the last FIBA world cup. I couldn't believe it when the commentator said that. Hard for players to develop as pros when they are rookies at 25, when european prospects play first division pro at 16-17 years of age.

last player who played in the PBA at age 19 was Kerby Raymundo, but they had to suspend Kerby and forfeit Red Bull's games since he didn't graduate high school in 1996 (minimum age requirement something i think, or even the lack of college units were cited)

I think the age requirement should be lowered, and it's a good step on the PBA's part to allow 19 year-olds to enter the league. However, that is subject to the condition that the 19-year-olds have completed at keast two years of college. I think it should be unconditional.

It goes beyond the age limit, actually. How many teams are willing to take chances on 19-year-old players and actually develop them? It's not just the rules, it's the culture and the system. We'll have to change those aspects as well for top 19 year old rookies to be a thing.

[mathematicianrcg]

I think the age requirement should be lowered, and it's a good step on the PBA's part to allow 19 year-olds to enter the league. However, that is subject to the condition that the 19-year-olds have completed at keast two years of college. I think it should be unconditional.

It goes beyond the age limit, actually. How many teams are willing to take chances on 19-year-old players and actually develop them? It's not just the rules, it's the culture and the system. We'll have to change those aspects as well for top 19 year old rookies to be a thing.

"All players have to be natural-born Filipinos. Persons who chose Philippine citizenship by the age of maturity are considered as natural-born citizens.

For local players the requirements are that they must:

Be 22 years old on the day of the draft, previously 21. If the players are 19 or older but not yet 22, they must have completed at least two years of college eligibility. Formerly, applicants younger than 21 must have either been college graduates or played four years of their eligibility;
Be also 22 or above and four years removed from their high school graduation or have had only one year of college basketball;
Play at least seven games in one PBA Developmental League conference;
Reach at least 5 feet 6 inches (1.68 m) in height.
Filipino-descended foreigners have almost the same requirements as locals except they must:

Play at least seven games in each of the two PBA Developmental League conferences, unless they are at the age of 27 and above but, since July 2021, under 30;
Have a valid Philippine passport. Until the 46th season's draft in March 2021, they must have had documents from the Department of Justice and the Bureau of Immigration proving their Philippine citizenship. This clause was repealed later in November that year;
Ensure that, if they graduated from secondary school outside the Philippines, but did not enroll in a Philippine or non-Philippine college or university, four years have passed since their secondary school class graduated;
Have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the PBA, anywhere in the world, and have played under that contract. They also must be released from their contract before they can leave to go to the PBA.
Any person who played for the Philippines men's national basketball team is exempted from the D-League and is automatically eligible for selection. The changes in eligibility rules are in effect starting in the 2015 draft.[1] For the 46th season's draft held on March 14, 2021, the PBA decided to forgo the seven-game requirement[2] after the 2020 PBA D-League Aspirants' Cup was cancelled.

Imports – non-Filipino citizens, even those born in the Philippines – do not enter the PBA via the draft. They are directly signed by teams, and only play in some conferences. Naturalized citizens can only play in the association also as imports. But, an undrafted player with Filipino descent who is a foreign national age 31 and above is ineligible to be an import.

Starting with the 47th season's draft in 2022, the following changes will be implemented:

Players who opt out from the draft on their year of eligibility had to sit out for five years before they can apply again:[3]
Players can still enter the draft three years into the five-year sit-out period but they will not be part of the regular draft. Instead they will be entered in a special lottery which includes all franchises.
Filipino-descended foreigners must have a valid passport and not be older than age 30."

- From Wiki.

My opinion:

NP should be locals

Same with IPC, make a fiba ineligible limit instead if filam limit.

Lower the age minimum to 19 or 20.

[IPC]

"All players have to be natural-born Filipinos. Persons who chose Philippine citizenship by the age of maturity are considered as natural-born citizens.

For local players the requirements are that they must:

Be 22 years old on the day of the draft, previously 21. If the players are 19 or older but not yet 22, they must have completed at least two years of college eligibility. Formerly, applicants younger than 21 must have either been college graduates or played four years of their eligibility;
Be also 22 or above and four years removed from their high school graduation or have had only one year of college basketball;
Play at least seven games in one PBA Developmental League conference;
Reach at least 5 feet 6 inches (1.68 m) in height.
Filipino-descended foreigners have almost the same requirements as locals except they must:

Play at least seven games in each of the two PBA Developmental League conferences, unless they are at the age of 27 and above but, since July 2021, under 30;
Have a valid Philippine passport. Until the 46th season's draft in March 2021, they must have had documents from the Department of Justice and the Bureau of Immigration proving their Philippine citizenship. This clause was repealed later in November that year;
Ensure that, if they graduated from secondary school outside the Philippines, but did not enroll in a Philippine or non-Philippine college or university, four years have passed since their secondary school class graduated;
Have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the PBA, anywhere in the world, and have played under that contract. They also must be released from their contract before they can leave to go to the PBA.
Any person who played for the Philippines men's national basketball team is exempted from the D-League and is automatically eligible for selection. The changes in eligibility rules are in effect starting in the 2015 draft.[1] For the 46th season's draft held on March 14, 2021, the PBA decided to forgo the seven-game requirement[2] after the 2020 PBA D-League Aspirants' Cup was cancelled.

Imports – non-Filipino citizens, even those born in the Philippines – do not enter the PBA via the draft. They are directly signed by teams, and only play in some conferences. Naturalized citizens can only play in the association also as imports. But, an undrafted player with Filipino descent who is a foreign national age 31 and above is ineligible to be an import.

Starting with the 47th season's draft in 2022, the following changes will be implemented:

Players who opt out from the draft on their year of eligibility had to sit out for five years before they can apply again:[3]
Players can still enter the draft three years into the five-year sit-out period but they will not be part of the regular draft. Instead they will be entered in a special lottery which includes all franchises.
Filipino-descended foreigners must have a valid passport and not be older than age 30."

- From Wiki.

My opinion:

NP should be locals

Same with IPC, make a fiba ineligible limit instead if filam limit.

Lower the age minimum to 19 or 20.

Yeah, naturalized players should be considered as locals under the FIBA-ineligible limit.

Teams should ideally have 5 FIBA ineligible slots. Counted in these slots are the one slot for the naturalized player (or in his place an Asian import), and one slot for the world import. Their inclusion should be totally up to the team.

So, we can have a situation where we have:

3 Fil-foreigners, 1 naturalized Filipino/Asian import, and 1 world import
4 Fil-foreigners, 1 naturalized Filipino/Asian import
4 Fil-foreigners, 1 world import
5 Fil-foreigners

These are just the maximum situations. Teams can opt not to fill out their team with FIBA-ineligible Fil-foreigners, or not hire an import, or not get a naturalized player, or all of the above. And imports of unlimited height should be for the whole season, whether 2-conference format or 1 tournament.

[digitalsuperman]

Chot has Kelly and Mikey. Dickel had Parks but gave up too many guys for a good but injury prone player. I have respect for Dickel for being able to maximize Trollanos skillset. If he had a healthy Kelly and a Mikey plus Erram and Troy he wouldve won a championship.

Plus June Mar is post prime now. I dont think Chot wouldve defeated a healthy prime June Mar with the rest of the death 5. Why did he return only now?

i agree. if dickel coached last year where junmar wasn't 100% i think he would've also won a championship.

[Rodbi]

Yeah, naturalized players should be considered as locals under the FIBA-ineligible limit.

Teams should ideally have 5 FIBA ineligible slots. Counted in these slots are the one slot for the naturalized player (or in his place an Asian import), and one slot for the world import. Their inclusion should be totally up to the team.

So, we can have a situation where we have:

3 Fil-foreigners, 1 naturalized Filipino/Asian import, and 1 world import
4 Fil-foreigners, 1 naturalized Filipino/Asian import
4 Fil-foreigners, 1 world import
5 Fil-foreigners

These are just the maximum situations. Teams can opt not to fill out their team with FIBA-ineligible Fil-foreigners, or not hire an import, or not get a naturalized player, or all of the above. And imports of unlimited height should be for the whole season, whether 2-conference format or 1 tournament.

This will be welcomed with open arms if PBA has a reward system similar to that of Italian Lega Basket Serie A's. Said system generously incentivize ballclubs opting to build their roster with homegrowns in majority, rather than with finished products from Non-EU/other EU countries.

[IPC]

This will be welcomed with open arms if PBA has a reward system similar to that of Italian Lega Basket Serie A's. Said system generously incentivize ballclubs opting to build their roster with homegrowns in majority, rather than with finished products from Non-EU/other EU countries.

This might encourage the independent teams to instead develop their homegrowns, while not really compromising the level of competition. This might be nice.

[Rodbi]

This might encourage the independent teams to instead develop their homegrowns, while not really compromising the level of competition. This might be nice.

Yes, but there's a catch though:

"At the end of the season there is a prize of €500,000 for the top three ranked teams, that had chosen the 5+5 formula (5 homegrown, 5 non-EU), considering the playing time of Italian players, and €200,000 for those teams that will obtain the best results with their youth sector."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_Serie_A

Given the current situation of the PBA, finishing at least 3rd in most season/total eliminations wins in the league would be a hell of an uphill battle for the independent teams.

[IPC]

Yes, but there's a catch though:

"At the end of the season there is a prize of €500,000 for the top three ranked teams, that had chosen the 5+5 formula (5 homegrown, 5 non-EU), considering the playing time of Italian players, and €200,000 for those teams that will obtain the best results with their youth sector."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Basket_Serie_A

Ay, this requires a B-team for the teams concerned. I don't think the PBA can afford this.

[IPC]

Here's a Facebook poll on the popularity of the teams: https://www.facebook.com/groups/hoop...n=mo&ref=share

Ginebra alone has more votes than those of the MVP teams, independent teams, and farm teams combined.

The PBA has a lot of work to do to instill fan interest in these teams. The teams do too, they might have to make themselves more noticeable and more appealing.

[ja.he]

Here's a Facebook poll on the popularity of the teams: https://www.facebook.com/groups/hoop...n=mo&ref=share

Ginebra alone has more votes than those of the MVP teams, independent teams, and farm teams combined.

The PBA has a lot of work to do to instill fan interest in these teams. The teams do too, they might have to make themselves more noticeable and more appealing.

Again, this is the problem with the model the PBA is using.

[hmbopbaduwap]

Resumption of full team practices scheduled on Friday

https://twitter.com/PBAinsider/statu...lbr0n9XSA&s=19