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I've noticed that there are a lot of questions and misconceptions about how the Philippines is ranked on the FIBA scale.
Some of us are claiming we should be ranked higher by virtue of our performance at the Stankovic Cup, the Asian Games and the Jones Cup. Or because we beat certain teams like Japan, Jordan, etc. But that's not how it works.
A lot of my fellow Filipinos who haven't followed the FIBA ASIA ranking system might not be familiar with how it works. Here's a step by step explanation.
*I've posted this elsewhere but it seems to deserve its own thread for the benefit of my fellow Filipino fans.
Currently, we're ranked 53rd (with 7.5 points) in the world.
Some Filipinos are wondering: Why are we ranked so low? How come there are teams on the rankings above us whom we know we can beat, and HAVE easily beaten in the past. (Like India and Kuwait, no disrespect meant to those teams intended.)
But here are some things to consider: Most of the tournaments where we have played well recently, don't count. The Asian Games, The Stankovic cup, the Champions Cup and the Jones Cup...they DO NOT count in the rankings.
That is why we slipped in the 90s even after we place 2nd, 4th, 3rd and 4th again all the Asian Games from 1990 to 2002. Because in the games which DID count, the Asian Basketball Confederation games, we were sending our B-teams (or even C and D-teams.)
And ranking is not based on just WHO we beat. But rather, how we finish in the tournament.
Now before we continue, it is important to remember that in 2005, because of stupid politics and infighting between the Philippine Basketball politicians and stakeholders, FIBA suspended us from international competition for a couple of years. As you will see, this will still affect our rankings even after this tournament.
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For a brief explanation on FIBA rankings, and to better understand the system. CLICK HERE.
So (after checking the link) essentially, the only games which will count are:
FIBA World Championships
Olympic Basketball Tournaments
FIBA Africa Championships
FIBA Americas Championships
FIBA Asia Championships
Eurobasket Championships
FIBA Oceania Championships
The points are computed over two Olympic cycles (8 years) which covers 4 FIBA ASIA tournaments. Our current ranking is based on our performance over the past four Asian Championships:
Each place, from gold to 18th has corresponding points.
When we don't qualify or are suspended. We get 0 points.
That is then multiplied with the "WEIGHT POINT" of the tournament
(Asian Championships is 0.3)
As described earlier, we currently have 7.5 points for a 53 ranking.
Here's the breakdown of our performance in the tournaments that counted:
2003- 15th
2005- Suspended
2007- (PBA squad) 9th (Chot Reyes squad)
2009- (Powerade Philippines) 8th (Yeng Guiao Squad)
Total points 4+0+10+11=25 x.03 =7.5
That makes up our score as seen HERE.
*for the record, the 2003 team starred eventual PBA veterans Celino Cruz, Marc Pingris, Nelbert Omolon, Ricky Calimag and Willie Wilson. And IIRC, the 2001 team endured a suspension due to the BAP Jalasco-Puyat politics...
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Our NEXT ranking will be...
2005-Suspended
2007- 9th
2009- 8th
2011- ???
If we don't beat Chinese Taipei and finish 8th: We end up with 9.6 points (from 2005-2011) which is roughly good for a ranking of 50
If we beat Chinese Taipei and finish 4th: We end up with 10.8 points which would put us in the vicinity of 45 or 40.
If we somehow manage a bronze, that puts us at 15.3 points which may put us at 39 or 38.
It's tough because that "0" in 2005 will still count until AFTER the 2013 championships.
Because of that, even if we win it all (that means beating CT, IRAN AND CHINA) our point total will be 21.3 which is only good for around 35th.
But then with the Olympic stint, we'd have an additional 90 points (assuming we don't win a single game then) and we'd rank 20th, with 111.3 points.
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That "0" in 2005 is even more painful when you realize that we had a very well prepared team of PBA all-stars in 2005 who had been together since 2003. We also had Jimmy Alapag and Asi Taulava in their prime, they had played well in their US tour against US NCAA I teams. But the suspension kept them from playing. In fact: If they had played and finished 9th. (modest estimate. I believe they could have finished higher.) Then we'd have a ranking of 46 today.
By the time they played again in 2007, they had gone back to their respective PBA teams and were out of sync. Plus the big men had lost a step or two.
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So if we do well in 2011 AND in 2013, we'll be right back where we belong.
And that is why we need SMART GILAS to continue NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS with the next few games.
Some of us are claiming we should be ranked higher by virtue of our performance at the Stankovic Cup, the Asian Games and the Jones Cup. Or because we beat certain teams like Japan, Jordan, etc. But that's not how it works.
A lot of my fellow Filipinos who haven't followed the FIBA ASIA ranking system might not be familiar with how it works. Here's a step by step explanation.
*I've posted this elsewhere but it seems to deserve its own thread for the benefit of my fellow Filipino fans.
Currently, we're ranked 53rd (with 7.5 points) in the world.
Some Filipinos are wondering: Why are we ranked so low? How come there are teams on the rankings above us whom we know we can beat, and HAVE easily beaten in the past. (Like India and Kuwait, no disrespect meant to those teams intended.)
But here are some things to consider: Most of the tournaments where we have played well recently, don't count. The Asian Games, The Stankovic cup, the Champions Cup and the Jones Cup...they DO NOT count in the rankings.
That is why we slipped in the 90s even after we place 2nd, 4th, 3rd and 4th again all the Asian Games from 1990 to 2002. Because in the games which DID count, the Asian Basketball Confederation games, we were sending our B-teams (or even C and D-teams.)
And ranking is not based on just WHO we beat. But rather, how we finish in the tournament.
Now before we continue, it is important to remember that in 2005, because of stupid politics and infighting between the Philippine Basketball politicians and stakeholders, FIBA suspended us from international competition for a couple of years. As you will see, this will still affect our rankings even after this tournament.
====
For a brief explanation on FIBA rankings, and to better understand the system. CLICK HERE.
So (after checking the link) essentially, the only games which will count are:
FIBA World Championships
Olympic Basketball Tournaments
FIBA Africa Championships
FIBA Americas Championships
FIBA Asia Championships
Eurobasket Championships
FIBA Oceania Championships
The points are computed over two Olympic cycles (8 years) which covers 4 FIBA ASIA tournaments. Our current ranking is based on our performance over the past four Asian Championships:
Each place, from gold to 18th has corresponding points.
When we don't qualify or are suspended. We get 0 points.
That is then multiplied with the "WEIGHT POINT" of the tournament
(Asian Championships is 0.3)
As described earlier, we currently have 7.5 points for a 53 ranking.
Here's the breakdown of our performance in the tournaments that counted:
2003- 15th
2005- Suspended
2007- (PBA squad) 9th (Chot Reyes squad)
2009- (Powerade Philippines) 8th (Yeng Guiao Squad)
Total points 4+0+10+11=25 x.03 =7.5
That makes up our score as seen HERE.
*for the record, the 2003 team starred eventual PBA veterans Celino Cruz, Marc Pingris, Nelbert Omolon, Ricky Calimag and Willie Wilson. And IIRC, the 2001 team endured a suspension due to the BAP Jalasco-Puyat politics...
===========
Our NEXT ranking will be...
2005-Suspended
2007- 9th
2009- 8th
2011- ???
If we don't beat Chinese Taipei and finish 8th: We end up with 9.6 points (from 2005-2011) which is roughly good for a ranking of 50
If we beat Chinese Taipei and finish 4th: We end up with 10.8 points which would put us in the vicinity of 45 or 40.
If we somehow manage a bronze, that puts us at 15.3 points which may put us at 39 or 38.
It's tough because that "0" in 2005 will still count until AFTER the 2013 championships.
Because of that, even if we win it all (that means beating CT, IRAN AND CHINA) our point total will be 21.3 which is only good for around 35th.
But then with the Olympic stint, we'd have an additional 90 points (assuming we don't win a single game then) and we'd rank 20th, with 111.3 points.
===
That "0" in 2005 is even more painful when you realize that we had a very well prepared team of PBA all-stars in 2005 who had been together since 2003. We also had Jimmy Alapag and Asi Taulava in their prime, they had played well in their US tour against US NCAA I teams. But the suspension kept them from playing. In fact: If they had played and finished 9th. (modest estimate. I believe they could have finished higher.) Then we'd have a ranking of 46 today.
By the time they played again in 2007, they had gone back to their respective PBA teams and were out of sync. Plus the big men had lost a step or two.
===
So if we do well in 2011 AND in 2013, we'll be right back where we belong.
And that is why we need SMART GILAS to continue NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS with the next few games.
If it's for the benefit of Filipino fans, then the thread in the Philippine section is enough.
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