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  • Originally posted by Projectspeed
    FYI, just last month bro Karim, we only not won against a NCAA Division 2 school, we also stunned a NCAA Division 1 school (Long Beach State 49ers) and an American BAsketball Association ballclub. Long Beach State 49ers is a very competitive and strong team in the NCAA Division 1. We also recently beat a selection of USBL and ABA selection team.

    Height is might as they always say... but don't drag RP team just because of their height because basketball consists of so many factors..... like speed, teamwork, preparation, talent, athletic ability, heart, dedication, hardwork, etc. etc. etc.
    Add this:

    In Phil NT 2005 US trip to Global Hoops Summit ...

    Phil. NT also performed well against Nigerian National Team. Phil. NT lost only by 6 points, but Nigeria at time are composed of NBA players like Ibekwe and Udoka

    Nigeria performed well in the last WBC

    Phil. NT also won convingcingly against a Chinese Pro-squad selection, Aoshen Olympians, which I think is a class B to C Chinese team. 80-65. Holywood Fame team, also a ABA basketball club member, led by Byron Russell which the Phil NT team also beat last month is much better than this Aoshen club, I think.

    And the best of it is that, we also won against Long Beach Jam team, which was the 2004 American Basketball Association Champion and the defending ABA champion at that time....


    We're not just bragging about the Phil NT two wins against Lebanon

    And please note... this 2005 RP team, is probabably weaker than our current NT

    Peace
    Last edited by Projectspeed; 05-06-2007, 02:30 PM.

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    • Originally posted by ctongco
      Not taking anything from the Philippines previous achievements but those are non-bearing. We might have won a lot in the past, which I am proud of, but that was half a century ago. Come on guys, let's stop NT bashing and let's start talking real basketball sense, shall we?

      A few talking points we could start with....

      1. What are your NTs strong points?
      2. What are your NTs weaknesses?
      3. How do you think can your NT capitalize on their strong points and minimize their weaknesses?

      when will the disillusioned learn when when they see the light, as u and i have seen.

      also the 49ers are not a strong stable team in div 1 ncaa play. so what they made the big dance last tourney. didnt fullerton take out the phil nt squad? 49ers are nto a strong enoguh squad with a history to say "look we beat them we are good" no if u put duke, unc, texas, indiana, syracuse(who plays more intl style of play) then yeah i would have something to cheer on and say yesu make a valid point. just for the lvoe of god and past century worshipping to my fellow ancesters on this board stop saying whose dick is bigger thru past accomplishments...dwell on the present and worry about the future of what we can do and how we can prepare to be competitive in a globalizing sport
      "A nationality that easily feels wronged is an insecure one, and one that will be difficult to progress."-Anonymous

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      • Originally posted by vladski
        1966 - 6th (4-3)
        1970 - 5th (4-4)
        1974 - 4th
        1978 - 5th
        1982 - 4th
        1986 - Bronze (3rd) (2-2)
        1990 - Silver (2nd) (4-2)
        1994 - 4th (3-3)
        1998 - Bronze (3rd) (5-2)
        2002 - 4th
        2006 - Did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
        isnt that the last 11 asian games? i dont see any gold medals there..

        Originally posted by vladski
        1987 - 4th
        1989 - 8th
        1991 - 7th
        1993 - 11th
        1995 - 12th
        1997 - 9th
        1999 - 11th
        2001 - Qualified but did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
        2003 - 15th
        2005 - Did not qualify
        isnt that also the last 10 fiba asia basketball championships? no medals at all.. what's wrong about my facts... of course i know our history, ive read it again and again from different sources.. plus u just posted it...

        Originally posted by vladski
        and we have players assembled in few weeks before the actual competitions... what do you expect to happen??? we dont lack the talent and the skills... we lack the time to build a team for international competitions...
        in case you dont remember our 1994 RPteam ,1998 PBA centinnial team, and the 2002 RP team were formed months before the asian games, but still we'd come up short.. i know a month or two is still not enough. although i agree that preparation time is really needed for our team to really start playing like a real champion team. and it could be an excuse, but still its entirely our fault, if we are the best in asia then our preparation should've been for the best.

        Originally posted by vladski
        Only the rules changed rules changed... the level... i guess is much the same because during the time all those who played basketball use the same rules.
        what? basketball influence in other asian countries werent as influential as it is today. obviously other asian countries have learned to love basketball as much as we do. countries like taiwan, japan and korea were also very much influenced by the anime series slam dunk which featured an underdog team making it all the way to finals. after that basketball in asia has been bigger than what it used to be. in my opinion basketball now is really close to becoming the most popular sport in the world... thus, making other countries strive more to win in these sport, just like how crazy the world is with soccer/futbol.

        Originally posted by vladski
        im not saying that we are the best in asia nowadays...
        i think your data is wrong.. we captured the gold in 1985.
        as i have said... we only send Class A Teams in Asian games...
        ABC and other tournaments, we sent Class C & D...
        ANd these people are judging the performance of our present team from our Class C & D teams who competed in international tournament such as ABC...
        i agree with you that our rp team is really underrated. but again thats our fault, its because of our poor international basketball program, thus, these further prove that we arent the best.
        maybe now that a few things have been fixed in our international basketball program then maybe we could make our wayto being the best, but not yet as of now.

        Originally posted by vladski
        As i am saying here... we can beat teams like Lebanon, Japan or Qatar easily... as per my assesment of all these teams not only because i love Philipines to win. We have beaten these teams before in exhibition games with our Class A players. Eshibition games only because our Class A team from PBA were not able to join because of its own tournament schedules.
        Originally posted by vladski
        Mine is a fair and square assesment... i've seen Lebanon, Qatar, Iran, japan kind of game and brand of basketball... and the way our NT is palying and preparing now... we should not have any problems beating these teams...
        EASILY??? NO PROBLEMS?? are you sure? i dont think so. although i really do hope that we beat them, but saying that beating them easily is just too much. although we may have beaten qatar in numerous occassions with big margins, we still cant say if we can beat them easily right now, coz, just like our team, their team has evolved, not to mention naturalizing galore which gives them a whole lot of an advantage. also, they have beaten Korea in the past FIBA asia tournament, korea is a team that we havent beaten for a very long time. as for japan, they have had experience in the recent WBC and may have learned a lot from that, also, we have beaten japan in the past, but not easily. and as for lebanon, we beat them in two exhibition games, i expect them to be looking for revenge...

        so much for fair and square..

        i believe we cant really tell yet on who's gonna beat who in the coming tournament.

        Originally posted by vladski
        I cannot blame this peole why they look down the present Philippine Team. They have based their judgment from the previous teams we sent in international competitions which were Class C & D from PBL & MBA which are far more inferiors compared to our Class A players from PBA.
        are you referring to me? i dont even look at our team C and D... i have always looked up and compared other teams to our team A, the team we send in the asian games, and yet we havent won it all lately thats
        why i say we arent the best. and how dare you call our team C & D inferiors? i dont look down on our RP team i just dont look very much up high to them but i do look up to them.

        Originally posted by vladski
        We even made good impressions to US Basketball League (USBL) a profesional basketball League in the US on how the RP NAtionals play and its talent in basketball when they played in the US soil in April 2007.

        I believe that these people are misjudging our present NT. Well, as i have said... we will make a good surprise for the these teams who neglected our prowess in basketball.
        Of course those victories also gave me a good impression on our national team, and also it made me confident that we may be soon ready for the fiba asia tournament. but those wins doesnt tell anything about our opponents.

        i believe that our RP team will really perform well this comming tournament and really could win it all. but we really wont know for sure.

        thinking and believing that we'll make it through to the finals EASILY may just leave us dissappointed and humiliated. but respecting our opponents and acknowledging well on what they can do can help us make better judgements on our NT and other opposing NTs.

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        • Originally posted by vladski
          1966 - 6th (4-3)
          1970 - 5th (4-4)
          1974 - 4th
          1978 - 5th
          1982 - 4th
          1986 - Bronze (3rd) (2-2)
          1990 - Silver (2nd) (4-2)
          1994 - 4th (3-3)
          1998 - Bronze (3rd) (5-2)
          2002 - 4th
          2006 - Did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
          isnt that the last 11 asian games? i dont see any gold medals there..

          Originally posted by vladski
          1987 - 4th
          1989 - 8th
          1991 - 7th
          1993 - 11th
          1995 - 12th
          1997 - 9th
          1999 - 11th
          2001 - Qualified but did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
          2003 - 15th
          2005 - Did not qualify
          isnt that also the last 10 fiba asia basketball championships? no medals at all.. what's wrong about my facts... of course i know our history, ive read it again and again from different sources.. plus u just posted it...

          Originally posted by vladski
          and we have players assembled in few weeks before the actual competitions... what do you expect to happen??? we dont lack the talent and the skills... we lack the time to build a team for international competitions...
          in case you dont remember our 1994 RPteam ,1998 PBA centinnial team, and the 2002 RP team were formed months before the asian games, but still we'd come up short.. i know a month or two is still not enough. although i agree that preparation time is really needed for our team to really start playing like a real champion team. and it could be an excuse, but still its entirely our fault, if we are the best in asia then our preparation should've been for the best.

          Originally posted by vladski
          Only the rules changed rules changed... the level... i guess is much the same because during the time all those who played basketball use the same rules.
          what? basketball influence in other asian countries werent as influential as it is today. obviously other asian countries have learned to love basketball as much as we do. countries like taiwan, japan and korea were also very much influenced by the anime series slam dunk which featured an underdog team making it all the way to finals. after that basketball in asia has been bigger than what it used to be. in my opinion basketball now is really close to becoming the most popular sport in the world... thus, making other countries strive more to win in these sport, just like how crazy the world is with soccer/futbol.

          Originally posted by vladski
          im not saying that we are the best in asia nowadays...
          i think your data is wrong.. we captured the gold in 1985.
          as i have said... we only send Class A Teams in Asian games...
          ABC and other tournaments, we sent Class C & D...
          ANd these people are judging the performance of our present team from our Class C & D teams who competed in international tournament such as ABC...
          i agree with you that our rp team is really underrated. but again thats our fault, its because of our poor international basketball program, thus, these further prove that we arent the best.
          maybe now that a few things have been fixed in our international basketball program then maybe we could make our wayto being the best, but not yet as of now.

          Originally posted by vladski
          As i am saying here... we can beat teams like Lebanon, Japan or Qatar easily... as per my assesment of all these teams not only because i love Philipines to win. We have beaten these teams before in exhibition games with our Class A players. Eshibition games only because our Class A team from PBA were not able to join because of its own tournament schedules.
          Originally posted by vladski
          Mine is a fair and square assesment... i've seen Lebanon, Qatar, Iran, japan kind of game and brand of basketball... and the way our NT is palying and preparing now... we should not have any problems beating these teams...
          EASILY??? NO PROBLEMS?? are you sure? i dont think so. although i really do hope that we beat them, but saying that beating them easily is just too much. although we may have beaten qatar in numerous occassions with big margins, we still cant say if we can beat them easily right now, coz, just like our team, their team has evolved, not to mention naturalizing galore which gives them a whole lot of an advantage. also, they have beaten Korea in the past FIBA asia tournament, korea is a team that we havent beaten for a very long time. as for japan, they have had experience in the recent WBC and may have learned a lot from that, also, we have beaten japan in the past, but not easily. and as for lebanon, we beat them in two exhibition games, i expect them to be looking for revenge...

          so much for fair and square..

          i believe we cant really tell yet on who's gonna beat who in the coming tournament.

          Originally posted by vladski
          I cannot blame this peole why they look down the present Philippine Team. They have based their judgment from the previous teams we sent in international competitions which were Class C & D from PBL & MBA which are far more inferiors compared to our Class A players from PBA.
          are you referring to me? i dont even look at our team C and D... i have always looked up and compared other teams to our team A, the team we send in the asian games, and yet we havent won it all lately thats
          why i say we arent the best. and how dare you call our team C & D inferiors? i dont look down on our RP team i just dont look very much up high to them but i do look up to them.

          Originally posted by vladski
          We even made good impressions to US Basketball League (USBL) a profesional basketball League in the US on how the RP NAtionals play and its talent in basketball when they played in the US soil in April 2007.

          I believe that these people are misjudging our present NT. Well, as i have said... we will make a good surprise for the these teams who neglected our prowess in basketball.
          Of course those victories also gave me a good impression on our national team, and also it made me confident that we may be soon ready for the fiba asia tournament. but those wins doesnt tell anything about our opponents.

          i believe that our RP team will really perform well this comming tournament and really could win it all. but we really wont know for sure.

          thinking and believing that we'll make it through to the finals EASILY may just leave us dissappointed and humiliated. but respecting our opponents and acknowledging well on what they can do can help us make better judgements on our NT and other opposing NTs.

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          • Originally posted by vladski
            Okay guys.. you want to talk about the present time of basketball???

            1. How many times your NT entered in WOrld Basketball Championship?
            2. How many Finals apperances you have in WBC?
            3. How many medals your NT got in WBC?
            4. THe highest place your NT has achieved in WBC?
            5. Same questions goes for the Olympics competitions.

            FOr the record, only ten (10) nations got medals in WBC , namely:

            Gold-SIlver-Bronze
            1. Yoguslavia 5 - 3 2
            2. USA 3 3 3
            3. Soviet Union 3 3 2
            4. Brazil 2 2 2
            5. Argentina 1 1 0
            6. Russia 0 2 0
            7.Chile 0 0 0
            8. Philippines 0 0 1
            9. Croatia 0 0 1
            10. Germany 0 0 1


            Where are those powerhouse and the best team in Asia you are talking about???
            Not in the list???
            may be because they are not really the best in ASIA...not yet...
            The burden of proof is not on our side because we have already proven.

            It's about time for this so called powerhouse to show what thy've got in basketball.

            Good luck.
            you really are living in the past arent you? what so present time with your questions?

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            • whoa...c'mon guys... well to the new members here(to my fellow pinoys), u guys need not to say all these things... why? because me and other filipinos who have been in this forum for so long, have already proven our point about our NT with all these non believers... when we were still new in this forum, we were also like you guys... we try to tell them that our team is really good but u know we can't blame them because they haven't seen our NT in action... that's why we need to wait till july... i can understand your passion and love for our NT... we are all very excited...

              and just for a quick recap to some people here who doesn't know about our present NT here it goes... first, the past 2 years you guys all know that we got suspended... the same goes on the composition of the TEAM A NT of philippines... our roster in the last 2 years composed of around 30 players... and of these 30 players, most of our superstars were not there... danny seigle was injured while caguioa begged off from joining... so in the past 2 years it was a problem for us... the only international tournaments we joined were those that are not fiba sanctioned like jones cup and brunei cup and a couple of tuneup games... but in these games we only send a combination of aspirants, inexperience players and a couple of shoo-ins for team A... so in short, we didn't have our best team... we didn't have our best team when we lost taiwan, when we beat long beach jams of ABA, qatar, lebanon, us legends with ncaa players and when we won the brunei cup twice... im not bragging but its the truth...

              just last march, we finally got a NT that we can call a "team"... our team can be called small but most of them are multidimensional players... plus we have a coach who knows how to play the international game... and to add to that, he is being assisted by the past coaches of our NT... 1994 nt coach norman black, 1998 NT coach tim cone and 2002 NT coach jong uichico... rp is very hungry and is raring to play... in our team, only asi taulava cannot shoot the three although there was a time that he shoots it well...

              in our present lineup, we only have 11 players in our NT because the 6'4 forward that u are saying begged off because of his scheduled wedding so the 12th spot is still vacant... part of the training of our NT was a trip in US... in the us training, we only had 11 players... in this trip, we had some tuneup games with ncaa teams and an aba team... our record in the tuneup games was 4wins 2 losses... of our 4 wins we won against an ncaa div.1 team and an aba team... but it really doesn't matter because the rp team came there to learn, winning is just a consolation... but to think that our NT(which was just formed last march) beat some teams that have been playing for so long proves something... the same goes when we beat lebanon twice last year... at present, rp hasn't even reach its peak yet but it is already showing some promise... i don't want to be overconfident or what but i tell guys rp will be definitely pose a big threat to any asian team... we filipinos are not saying these stuffs if we don't believe it and if our team is not really good... we promise a good showing...

              anyway lebanese, aren't you alarm? i mean you have a new coach and then i understand your NT is still not yet practicing? its just 2 months before the tournament... or maybe you are used to that since most of the players in your NT are already familiar with each other? here in the philippines, our local league pba pulled out all the 11 players from their respective mother teams so that they will be focus on the NT... and they have been practicing for about 2 months now...

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              • Originally posted by vladski
                Okay guys.. you want to talk about the present time of basketball???

                1. How many times your NT entered in WOrld Basketball Championship?
                2. How many Finals apperances you have in WBC?
                3. How many medals your NT got in WBC?
                4. THe highest place your NT has achieved in WBC?
                5. Same questions goes for the Olympics competitions.

                FOr the record, only ten (10) nations got medals in WBC , namely:

                Gold-SIlver-Bronze
                1. Yoguslavia 5 - 3 2
                2. USA 3 3 3
                3. Soviet Union 3 3 2
                4. Brazil 2 2 2
                5. Argentina 1 1 0
                6. Russia 0 2 0
                7.Chile 0 0 0
                8. Philippines 0 0 1
                9. Croatia 0 0 1
                10. Germany 0 0 1


                Where are those powerhouse and the best team in Asia you are talking about???
                Not in the list???
                may be because they are not really the best in ASIA...not yet...
                The burden of proof is not on our side because we have already proven.

                It's about time for this so called powerhouse to show what thy've got in basketball.

                Good luck.

                hahaha.. this is cool. you hit the apple.
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                • Originally posted by karim
                  yes philippines ur a very strong team with experience u have earned 2 silver medals in asia championship in the last 5 years and 2 wins at WBC last year....oh sorry that was lebanon but to be honest ur win against the NCAA 2nd division team is very impressive !!! watch out teams , not only in asia but all over the world hehe with 6'9" center asi and 6'3" power forward i dont no wat his name is , philippines are beasts under the basket
                  ive been telling my countrymen to stop bringing our past achievements, but hell man, you're provoking me, again and again. hahaha. yeah, we have a small lineup, we do have 6'3 forwards. but then again, i want you to remember, and keep in mind, that those 6'3 forwards, kicked the ass of 6'5 khatib, 7'0 Vogel
                  6'9 samaha. hahaha... now, thats funny.
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                  • Originally posted by SkyWalker
                    ive been telling my countrymen to stop bringing our past achievements, but hell man, you're provoking me, again and again. hahaha. yeah, we have a small lineup, we do have 6'3 forwards. but then again, i want you to remember, and keep in mind, that those 6'3 forwards, kicked the ass of 6'5 khatib, 7'0 Vogel
                    6'9 samaha. hahaha... now, thats funny.
                    haha... dead on...

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                    • listen to the wise and humble asapa11 to the newcomers on this thread. lets not make the asian threads a flame war; if you want then then go to asiabasket not here.

                      be humble not bark big unless youve got something to back it up on a recent event; only way others will give u respect is if you can back up the big bark. gotta crawl first before you walk. that's all im saying here; i assume others perhaps like asapa11 and others in this thread feel the same way. cool it with the we did this we did that stuff. when it comes tt he tourney we'll see what actually happens.

                      theres two main possible things that could come out of it you know.

                      1. others from asia will be more humbled and respectful(at the same time practice harder) because we succeeded so well
                      2. we are taken out early and our big bark will come back to haunt us guys.

                      be humble while showing support.
                      Last edited by Phantim3dx; 05-06-2007, 05:15 PM.
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                      • yes, we have a rich basketball history and no one could ever take it away from us. but we have to consider the present situation.


                        it's like saying that the Boston Celtics is still the best franchise in the NBA because it has won more titles than anyone else. but right now, who cares?


                        we reminisce the past. however, we are living in the present and that's what counts NOW.


                        so the best thing to do is stop bragging about the past, enjoy the ride, and wait til the final buzzer sounds.

                        if we win, then hooray. if not, then we'll just take the lessons we've learned and move on. it's as simple as that.
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                        • I'm thinking that Lib would probably win this coming Asian Championship... Philippines might place 2nd or 3rd (depending on how China B plays) or 4th if really really unlucky...

                          I have a pretty good assessment on how the Philippines would fair against Lebanon (well matched, but Lebanon has an edge in height and experience), it's the Qatar and China B teams whom I'm worried really about...

                          So I guess my call:
                          1 China
                          2 Lebanon
                          3 Philippines
                          4 Qatar (I haven't heard much from South Korea that's why)
                          Last edited by jramoyo; 05-06-2007, 05:27 PM.
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                          • well said jramoyo this is exactly how things r gonna happen

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                            • Originally posted by karim
                              well said jramoyo this is exactly how things r gonna happen
                              I knew you'd say that but yeah... whatever...
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                              • Originally posted by vladski
                                We are at our home watching the embarassing games of Chinese against European teams...hahaha

                                Dont you know what's happening in international basketball????
                                we were banned by FIBA for 2 years... how do you expect us to play??? misinformed or no information at all????



                                Where is your brain???

                                the reason why you are sending Team B is because you dont need to play hard and win just to be eligible to play for 2008 beijing Olympics. As a host nation you are already qualified.

                                Your NT is avoiding to be scouted by other teams...especially Philippines... ask your coach which teams they are most weary to play against??? hehehe and you will get the answer...



                                Chinese Teipei is good but not good enough to paly our TEAM A... remember that we were sending Team C & D in most of the international competitions where we were in the losing end...

                                Taipei is not the team to beat in asia... it's your team china... we will see you in the finals.... mark my word...

                                YOur team has nothing to brag... yours is up to asia only...

                                Haha,funny!!!!


                                The Philippines has obtained the world third good result, but that only was appears briefly!! Even the very many Asian fans all did not know at all, also does not acknowledge!! But our China NT enters eight strong topics repeatedly at the Olympic Games and the international championship then often loves to talk about by the Asian fan discussion!! This is two team's biggest difference!! Does not have the inside story team is impossible to dominate for a long time Asian Basketball world!! Moreover also asks you Philippine not to have always to say our China NT dominates Asia is for a long time because they repeatedly have not sent out the strongest PBA player to participate(that is biggest fun!!!)!! But in 1998 the Asian Games we the Chinese men's basketball team has won at the semi-final by A lvin Patrimonio, Allan Caidic, Johnny the Abarrientos leading signer Philippines team of 8 minutes hundred year dream!!

                                You more emphasized the past the glory more showed your reality the helpless! As far as I know the Philippine basketball besides the dirty petty action on only then the pitiful speed,and You only can depend upon the hybrid member, does not have the height, does not have the technology…We may dominate at least Asia, later we also will be the world crack force, but you forever only could live in the past recollection! ~ I sympathize with you

                                You such match simply is not worth respecting!!!Because you have not respected the match the tutelage



                                Last to you:I am thinking what should i say when CHINA b team beat you...and what will you say ...hahaha!!!!you 'll never win!You do not match make our Rival!!!Asian two-three class team
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