24th FIBA-Asia Championship [Jul 28-Aug 5 Japan]

[arnoldt]

What you meant exactly in this post ??

it means you should try the nigth life here

[psychopath]

try looking for the asia-basket with those RP teams in the past, look at their composition and it will answer your question bro.

the fact that a team bannered the Philippine team in a FIBA Championships event, it is a national team. ok?the hell who cares what letter of the team the RP is sending.there is no such thing as team B, C or even Z if there is no team A.and the Philippines during those times don't have a continuous basketball program wherein you'll call the strongest team as team A and the next one is team B and the rest will follow, there's no such thing that existed in Philippine Basketball so far because all we have back then was sick basketball program and false myths telling Filipinos that "magagaling ang Pinoy, hindi lang natin pinapadala ang mga pinakamagagaling nating manlalaro kaya tayo natatalo" translation: Filipinos are good in basketball, we just don't send our best. e gagong katwiran yun, talo na nga may palusot pa, e kung gusto natin sabihin na magagaling ang Pinoy, e di ipadala ang mga pinakamagagaling, wag yun nagpapantasya lang tayo ng mga bagay na hindi naman totoo. that's my point, I'm not against our RP team, and I believe that the SBP and SMC-backed RP team we have right now is the best so far.

I'm just being realistic. there are links bro, try to research, the internet has a lot to offer about the RP NT.

1) with regards to the team A, team B etc. that they were asking, i think what they're really trying to find out is whether we sent our PROFESSIONAL players to those competitions you posted or not.... dont be a concrete thinker
maybe this is wat they mean:

professional players= team A
college/amateur players= team B

i think this wat they're trying to imply even though our country has no such team as you said

2) secondly, i dont really think that we cand send our ALL-STARS everytime there would be a FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP to improve our rankings bcoz for FILIPINOS PBA is bigger than that competition
filipinos would rather watch PBA than fiba-asia, filipinos would rather like to see their SUPERSTARS play in the PBA and electrify the courts than compete in fiba-asia
this is unless there is an olympic berth on the line in fiba-asia

as i've said on my previous posts, the only reason PBA tried to lift the suspension and try to participate in the FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP is BCOZ of that OLYMPIC SLOT
and thats the main reason why the filipinos are in full support for the team

if you're here in the philippines, you know how big is the PBA for filipinos
especially the GINEBRA KINGS team
in this current conference wherein the PBA ALL-STARS were absent, i could say the pba lost its life temporarily
coliseums were rarely full and there were minimum excitement on the courts bcoz the superstars were out
and i dont think the PBA would like that, with all the potential big earnings that they'll have if the PBA STARS are playing here

thats the reason why i think this kind of bball program may not be successful in the philippines
bcoz the PBA is greater than FIBA-ASIA for us FILIPINOS

3) lastly, i dont think you have to call this a "gagong" argument: "RP loses bec. they dont send their SUPERSTARS."
i think this is a legit excuse
if other countries are on the same situation, that's the same excuse that you'll hear (say, if USA send their NCAA stars in the olympics and they lost)
its legit
then, you may ask: then why dont the PBA send their SUPERSTARS in international tournaments like this? the answer is in #2

dont lose your cool, man
thats why we are in a forum
its needless to use foul words, especially against your countrymen....

[jundakki]

LBC channel

Tnx, Is this accessible thru streaming?

[apiSigbinz]

1) with regards to the team A, team B etc. that they were asking, i think what they're really trying to find out is whether we sent our PROFESSIONAL players to those competitions you posted or not.... dont be a concrete thinker
maybe this is wat they mean:

professional players= team A
college/amateur players= team B

i think this wat they're trying to imply even though our country has no such team as you said

2) secondly, i dont really think that we cand send our ALL-STARS everytime there would be a FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP to improve our rankings bcoz for FILIPINOS PBA is bigger than that competition
filipinos would rather watch PBA than fiba-asia, filipinos would rather like to see their SUPERSTARS play in the PBA and electrify the courts than compete in fiba-asia
this is unless there is an olympic berth on the line in fiba-asia

as i've said on my previous posts, the only reason PBA tried to lift the suspension and try to participate in the FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP is BCOZ of that OLYMPIC SLOT
and thats the main reason why the filipinos are in full support for the team

if you're here in the philippines, you know how big is the PBA for filipinos
especially the GINEBRA KINGS team
in this current conference wherein the PBA ALL-STARS were absent, i could say the pba lost its life temporarily
coliseums were rarely full and there were minimum excitement on the courts bcoz the superstars were out
and i dont think the PBA would like that, with all the potential big earnings that they'll have if the PBA STARS are playing here

thats the reason why i think this kind of bball program may not be successful in the philippines
bcoz the PBA is greater than FIBA-ASIA for us FILIPINOS

3) lastly, i dont think you have to call this a "gagong" argument: "RP loses bec. they dont send their SUPERSTARS."
i think this is a legit excuse
if other countries are on the same situation, that's the same excuse that you'll hear (say, if USA send their NCAA stars in the olympics and they lost)
its legit
then, you may ask: then why dont the PBA send their SUPERSTARS in international tournaments like this? the answer is in #2

dont lose your cool, man
thats why we are in a forum
its needless to use foul words, especially against your countrymen....

i hear you dude.. maybe Saints was just too harsh on his words but he has valid points.. i hope we should stop bragging too much that we're the best or second best in Asia, that we'll whipped those Koreans ass or Lebanese or Taiwanese butts.. those are the days my man.. that's why SBP often quoted as saying reclaiming the lost glory.. fact is, in 2005, Lebanon was the second best in Asia earning a ticket to last year's World Championship which eventually beat Venezuela and Europe powerhouse France.. in Doha Asian games last year, Qatar, Iran and Jordan place 2nd, 3rd and 4th respectively.. for more than a decade now, we have not beaten Koreans in Asian games when during the times of Fernanez and Jaworski, we simply beat the hell out of them.. sad but true, we are not anymore the Asian powerhouse we used to be.. what with the emerging basketball powerhouse Lebanon and Jordan.. that's why we should participate more in FIBA and all other international tournaments.. that's the only way we can reclaim our lost glory.. by doing so, we can raise our level of play to international standard, we get to size up more often our opponents and study their strengths and weaknesses.. i hope this FIBA in Japan will be the start of our more serious participation in their tourney.. because even if we'll not qualify in Beijing, as long as we'll continue our program, in five years time, we can reclaim that glory we used to have..

[saints13]

well, that's really how I call it, gagong argument, and I'm not saying it against my countrymen, I'm just being objective here, because that argument has fooled a lot of Filipinos over a decade already, and if PBA is bigger than FIBA Asia, why the hell send a missionary team every four years just to beat China in the Asian Games, well in fact, Asian Games is a league that doesn't have the level of FIBA Asia that would qualify to other global tournaments, and if they fail, it will take another 4 years to regain the loss glory, is that how big the PBA to us Filipinos, or maybe the basketball officials are too stupid to hide the fact the PBA will lose its marketing value if it will compete and fail every year in the FIBA Asia. we're on an international forum that's why don't talk too much about the PBA, it is not in any way bigger than the FIBA Asia, if we're on the Philippine Forum, then let's talk as if PBA is the best, but we're on a different venue here. check the title of the thread. our arguments won't meet bro, I'm stating facts and you are stating fantasy, you're disregarding the facts I'm stating.

[saints13]

1) with regards to the team A, team B etc. that they were asking, i think what they're really trying to find out is whether we sent our PROFESSIONAL players to those competitions you posted or not.... dont be a concrete thinker
maybe this is wat they mean:

professional players= team A
college/amateur players= team B

i think this wat they're trying to imply even though our country has no such team as you said

2) secondly, i dont really think that we cand send our ALL-STARS everytime there would be a FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP to improve our rankings bcoz for FILIPINOS PBA is bigger than that competition
filipinos would rather watch PBA than fiba-asia, filipinos would rather like to see their SUPERSTARS play in the PBA and electrify the courts than compete in fiba-asia
this is unless there is an olympic berth on the line in fiba-asia

as i've said on my previous posts, the only reason PBA tried to lift the suspension and try to participate in the FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP is BCOZ of that OLYMPIC SLOT
and thats the main reason why the filipinos are in full support for the team

if you're here in the philippines, you know how big is the PBA for filipinos
especially the GINEBRA KINGS team
in this current conference wherein the PBA ALL-STARS were absent, i could say the pba lost its life temporarily
coliseums were rarely full and there were minimum excitement on the courts bcoz the superstars were out
and i dont think the PBA would like that, with all the potential big earnings that they'll have if the PBA STARS are playing here

thats the reason why i think this kind of bball program may not be successful in the philippines
bcoz the PBA is greater than FIBA-ASIA for us FILIPINOS

3) lastly, i dont think you have to call this a "gagong" argument: "RP loses bec. they dont send their SUPERSTARS."
i think this is a legit excuse
if other countries are on the same situation, that's the same excuse that you'll hear (say, if USA send their NCAA stars in the olympics and they lost)
its legit
then, you may ask: then why dont the PBA send their SUPERSTARS in international tournaments like this? the answer is in #2

dont lose your cool, man
thats why we are in a forum
its needless to use foul words, especially against your countrymen....

ei bro, tnx for enumerating your points. I'd apreciate answering them by the numbers too.

1. the Philippines only have teams for such events then poof, the team will be disbanded after the event, then a team will be formed weeks before the event, then poof there it goes again not until the Cebuana-Lhullier RP team was formed. you see, you can't label a team A or B or whatever greek alphabet alpha or omega, the point is, you see the PBA players time and again in the PBA, and everytime they form a team to compete internationally, they make a buzz. no need to ask if those teams in FIBA Asia were professional players, have you heard of a PBA squad being formed to compete in FIBA Asia since the late 80's up to the early 21st century? the question is really immaterial.

2. one fact that we Filipinos should know is that the PBA is not only Basketball+Entertainment, it is also a Business, while FIBA Asia is a competition to know who's the best in Asian Region. and if the PBA sends its best players in the RP NT for FIBA Asia every year back then using their old calendar wherein season starts and ends at the same year, then the PBA will lose their best commodities every year. it is the biggest reason why the PBA can't commit in sending an all-pro team to the FIBA Asia, and that is why the PBA for the sake of commiting to the BAP agreed to form an all-pro squad every 4 years for the Asian Games. and in my opinion, changing the PBA calendar is really the best move to give way to FIBA Asia.

3.) a legit excuse is synonymous to an alibi, nobody can brag about alibis.
you can afford to lose if you always have an alibi ready to the media, and that's why the Philippines afforded to lose and not getting past the 7th place for a decade in FIBA Asia, because of those alibis. it's really a gagong argument, because why air those alibis after your team losses. example: during those times, China and Korea always ends up being in the Finals in FIBA Asia and even in the Asian games, then here came the Filipinos saying, we have an alibi, we lost because we sent an inferior team, then why not send the best team and avoid making those alibis.

you see bro, I'm cool. I used the word gago describing the argument, and not to any of my countrymen. and btw, you mentioned we're in a forum, we're in the Asian Leagues and Players forum and the thread is about FIBA Asia, we should look at basketball in an international perspective, not within our backyards alone.

[BURATIN]

ang hahaba ng posts ninyo nakakatamad basahin bwahahaha


translation: hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!! hehehe

[manu_bol]

"e di ipadala ang mga pinakamagagaling, wag yun nagpapantasya lang tayo ng mga bagay na hindi naman totoo"

what's actually your basis for truth? the fiba rankings? pinoys actually fantasize because we can only dream of PBA players competing against the best of asia in previous fiba tournaments. besides, di naman ganun kalayo sa totoo yung mga pinapantasya natin.
i myself imagine that our best could beat korea and lebanon and stay close with china.

if every country, including RP, sent its BEST players in the FIBA-asia competitions, RP would be very competitive against korea or lebanon. that in itself would merit at least a 2nd to 4th place finish in fiba-asia.

i'm not saying we are the best in Asia (China is) but at least we'll be very competitive against fiba 2001,2003,2005 2nd placers if we sent our best team.

again, i keep on stressing our near 2nd place finish in the 2002 asian games. we almost beat a team that eventually beat china. if not for that buzzer beater 3 from lee sang min, we could have been the 2nd best team in asia...

you don't need FIBA rankings to prove that..

[macky]

Yah i know China B still heavily favored over Indo, India, THailand... I approx China B can win by 20-30points more over Indo & India.. China B is matchup with Syria...

China A is very Strong in Asia level like Philippines, Jordan, Korea, Iran, Chinese Taipei, Japan...

But the Philippines is in danger brackedted in Group A with fellow with Iran and Jordan... Jordan, recruited a naturalized from US is Raseim Wright is need to stop with veteran Ayman Dies, Zaid Al Khas & Moussa Basheer... Iran National Team, I approximate are favored in quaterfinals, beware of 7-5 HAmd Hadadi, Karam Ahmadian, Saman Veisi and most of all players are contribute... Iran i have 60-40 chances will have 3-0 or 2-1, Philippines' 3-0, 2-1 or 1-2, Jordan 2-1 or 1-2...

i think jordan is the strongest team right now in the upcoming fiba asia, that is... if china will send the team, that competed in the recent manila invitational.

[khatib]

Because of China's poor showing in the just-concluded Manila Invitationals, the team will likely be reinforced by at least three more recruits from the 22-man national pool for the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima on July 28-Aug. 5.

PBA commissioner Noli Eala said yesterday a ranking official of the Chinese delegation intimated there will be changes in the lineup for the Olympic qualifiers.

China enlisted four players from its national pool to combine with veterans from the Chinese league and standouts from the under-20 selection for the Manila Invitationals. Coach Adijian Chang Bin was visibly upset by the “B” team's last place finish.

It was the “B” team's first overseas appearance and exposed China as beatable in Tokushima. China posted a 2-2 record and lost a 90-85 decision to Syria in the battle for third place at the Big Dome last Sunday. The consolation was China won two of three elimination round games, beating Syria, 98-94, and host Philippines, 77-74.
China is bracketed with Jordan, Iran and the Philippines in Group A in the first round of eliminations in Tokushima.

Philippine coach Chot Reyes called it “the group of death” because every team has a chance to advance to the quarterfinals.

In the Manila Invitationals, China showed its vulnerability by ranking last in field goal percentage (.412), rebounding (36.7), field goal percentage allowed (.525) and fastbreak points allowed (16.8). The stats pointed to deficiencies on both ends of the floor.

“It wasn't mentioned who exactly will be the replacements but definitely, not their NBA guys,” said Eala, referring to Yao Ming, Wang Zhizhi, Sun Yue and Yi Jianlian. “I think the Chinese team will get a center, a power forward and a guard. But even then, they're still vulnerable.”

Eala said he was told the “B” team had hardly played together before flying to Manila. The consensus was the team appeared to be badly coached. Adijian, an assistant in Chinese national team coach Jonas Kaulauskas‚ staff, was assigned to call the shots for the “B” squad in Tokushima.

China is sending its “B” team to Tokushima because Kaulauskas is fielding the top squad in the Stankovic Cup on July 28-Aug. 2 in Guangzhou and Macau. Besides, there is no incentive for China to win in Tokushima because it is automatically seeded into the 12-team basketball tournament in Beijing next year as the host country.

But Eala said China will play for pride in the Olympic qualifiers. “With the lineup they played in the Invitationals, maybe even Jordan has a chance to beat China,” continued Eala. “I'm sure China will find it unacceptable to be eliminated in the first round.”

Among the national pool players who may be tapped to reinforce China in Tokushima are 7-foot center Tang Zhengdong, 6-5 guard Gong Songlin, Zhu Fangyu (200-F-83) and 7-1 center Zhang Song Tao. The four players are not in the “A” roster.

The “B” team that played in the Invitationals featured four national pool players - 6-2 Zhang Qingpeng, 6-4 Yang Ming, 6-7 Wang Yong and 6-6 Han Shuo but none averaged in double digits. The leading scorers were 6-11 Yi Li (15.3), 6-11 Zhang Kai (12.0) and 6-10 Li Ke (10.5). Li, 27, played on the Chinese squad that took the gold medal at the Asian Games last year.

Credits to Joaquin Henson/Philippine Star

[saints13]

bro, no offense but kindly follow the posts between psychopath and me, your reply is out of context, you don't get the whole picture.

btw, if you were pertaining to me about your post, here is my reply.

what's actually your basis for truth? the fiba rankings?

there's no other basis for the truth but performance, and FIBA Rankings doesn't spell the magnificent performance that the current RP NT can deliver right now, so my answer is, there's no way in hell that FIBA Rankings can tell who will win games and who will not since that ranking is prior to changes depending to varied performances. the claims of the Filipinos of RP NT for being 2nd if not the best in Asia will simply be valid if and only if they win the FIBA Asia and not by those what ifs, assumptions and speculations alone. any team in Asia can have those what ifs, assumptions and speculations making it no other than a wishful thinking for all those who claim.

again, i keep on stressing our near 2nd place finish in the 2002 asian games. we almost beat a team that eventually beat china. if not for that buzzer beater 3 from lee sang min, we could have been the 2nd best team in asia...

you don't need FIBA rankings to prove that..

and to prove what? assumptions? speculations?

*feel free to disagree, I'll just have to stand on what I feel is more realistic

[manu_bol]

we have a fair chance of beating the 2nd to 5th placers in the past fiba-asia championships... bro, that's not mere hallucination...

[psychopath]

ei bro, tnx for enumerating your points. I'd apreciate answering them by the numbers too.

1. the Philippines only have teams for such events then poof, the team will be disbanded after the event, then a team will be formed weeks before the event, then poof there it goes again not until the Cebuana-Lhullier RP team was formed. you see, you can't label a team A or B or whatever greek alphabet alpha or omega, the point is, you see the PBA players time and again in the PBA, and everytime they form a team to compete internationally, they make a buzz. no need to ask if those teams in FIBA Asia were professional players, have you heard of a PBA squad being formed to compete in FIBA Asia since the late 80's up to the early 21st century? the question is really immaterial.

2. one fact that we Filipinos should know is that the PBA is not only Basketball+Entertainment, it is also a Business, while FIBA Asia is a competition to know who's the best in Asian Region. and if the PBA sends its best players in the RP NT for FIBA Asia every year back then using their old calendar wherein season starts and ends at the same year, then the PBA will lose their best commodities every year. it is the biggest reason why the PBA can't commit in sending an all-pro team to the FIBA Asia, and that is why the PBA for the sake of commiting to the BAP agreed to form an all-pro squad every 4 years for the Asian Games. and in my opinion, changing the PBA calendar is really the best move to give way to FIBA Asia.

3.) a legit excuse is synonymous to an alibi, nobody can brag about alibis.
you can afford to lose if you always have an alibi ready to the media, and that's why the Philippines afforded to lose and not getting past the 7th place for a decade in FIBA Asia, because of those alibis. it's really a gagong argument, because why air those alibis after your team losses. example: during those times, China and Korea always ends up being in the Finals in FIBA Asia and even in the Asian games, then here came the Filipinos saying, we have an alibi, we lost because we sent an inferior team, then why not send the best team and avoid making those alibis.

you see bro, I'm cool. I used the word gago describing the argument, and not to any of my countrymen. and btw, you mentioned we're in a forum, we're in the Asian Leagues and Players forum and the thread is about FIBA Asia, we should look at basketball in an international perspective, not within our backyards alone.

you got my point at #2
pba= business and entertainment
so its hard to take away their superstars to international competitions evry year, its like taking away their profit
i dont think that other countries are in the same situation coz they are regularly sending ther superstars in international tournaments

at #3
i think thats ur opinion, and thats ok
for me a legit excuse is that with a basis
you know the difference of level of play of the professionals to amateurs
and now you know why pba superstars aren't able to partipate in international tournaments in a regular basis

i think your belief of RP is just making excuses will end when they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in fiba-asia (thats when they use their superstars)
so, we better put an end to this "technically false ranking" thingy
lets just w8 for the tokushima competition
thnx for your nice replies though

[taninf]

Well we can say that lebanon and phillippines are both winning games.....Lebanon won against Venezuala and France in the WBC last year while philippines is winning on division 2 NCAA teams , i wonder who would win in a bball game , an NCAA division 2 team or France NT ? common philippines play some real warm up games not against division 3 and bryon russel(980 yrs old) teams

yes philippines ur a very strong team with experience u have earned 2 silver medals in asia championship in the last 5 years and 2 wins at WBC last year....oh sorry that was lebanon but to be honest ur win against the NCAA 2nd division team is very impressive !!! watch out teams , not only in asia but all over the world hehe with 6'9" center asi and 6'3" power forward i dont no wat his name is , philippines are beasts under the basket

juz wanna recall the posts that made my blood to boil!

[jundakki]

Guys, have any info as to who will air FIBA-Asia games here in the Phils?