24th FIBA-Asia Championship [Jul 28-Aug 5 Japan]

[psychopath]

me thinks that circa 2002, RP is 2nd or 3rd in asia. if there was a tournament in 2002 where all teams in asia participated at full strength, RP would have been 2nd or 3rd or 4th. we almost beat korea and korea beat china (with yao)... don't you think that performance merits us at least a 3rd place standing in 2002?

fiba ranking do not necessarily reflect the true strength of a team

your last statement is my point
i dunno why your telling me my point

[daniab]

You never beat us in a official game till now.Rp wins lebanon 4 times in a friendly games .

[bolabasket]

All games between Philippines and Lebanon are always humdingers...you'll never know who's gonna win until the final minute. Just that Philippines came out the winner in recent games. Nevertheless, both teams are really even and only the breaks of the game will decide the winner at the end....

[manu_bol]

your last statement is my point
i dunno why your telling me my point

im not contradicting you, bro...

i was merely supporting your views...

[apiSigbinz]

You never beat us in a official game till now.Rp wins lebanon 4 times in a friendly games .

how can you call Manila Invitational Tournament a friendly games?!!!

[manu_bol]

You never beat us in a official game till now.Rp wins lebanon 4 times in a friendly games .

official or friendly, daniab, you just gotta accept the fact that RP is one of the strongest teams in asia...

it's not like if we play an official FIBA game against you, we'll just lose by 50 points!

[igorotski]

You never beat us in a official game till now.Rp wins lebanon 4 times in a friendly games .

official or friendly, daniab, you just gotta accept the fact that RP is one of the strongest teams in asia...

it's not like if we play an official FIBA game against you, we'll just lose by 50 points!

jus let our own teams do the talking on the court.

let's get it on!

[jramoyo]

Lebanon didn't actually have a "sudden" rise in Asian basketball... they were always there... remember Elie, Merchantaf?



The only reason why Lebanese Basketball was deemed as a stranger to many Filipinos was because the Philippines never had a chance to play against them--this is because we never really played in an ABC Cup before.

RP always played in the Asian Games, a tournament which Lebanon did not bother participating in.

Among the rest of Asia, Arab basketball as an organization is probably the closest to Europe... so kudos to the Arabs for a spectacular basketball program...

[psychopath]

Lebanon didn't actually have a "sudden" rise in Asian basketball... they were always there... remember Elie, Merchantaf?



The only reason why Lebanese Basketball was deemed as a stranger to many Filipinos was because the Philippines never had a chance to play against them--this is because we never really played in an ABC Cup before.

RP always played in the Asian Games, a tournament which Lebanon did not bother participating in.

Among the rest of Asia, Arab basketball as an organization is probably the closest to Europe... so kudos to the Arabs for a spectacular basketball program...

well, i see
now its clearer

lebanon does not participate in ASIAN GAMES while RP does
and RP does not participate in FIBA ASIA (just now) but lebanon does
thats why lebanon is ranked higher by fiba

european teams rely heavily on teamwork and ball rotation
lebanese team relies heavily on el-khatib and vogel
you know who's gonna take the shot on every possession

european teams are known for their outstanding shooting
qatar's african team's shooting is horrendous, they'll gonna beat you only on offensive rebounds and with their physicality

these two teams i mentioned do not use pick&rolls at all
pick&rolls are like bread and butter play in europe

i dont think their proximity to europe would make them play european basketball at all
more of european style are korea, taiwan and of course china

many of you here are so high about these arab teams
there's really nothing special about them aside from their naturalized players
i think korea, taiwan and RP has more of a future if only they could get a legit big man
if korea and taiwan's game can be more balanced, i mean not relying heavily on outside shots, they can be the team next to china

[psychopath]

You never beat us in a official game till now.Rp wins lebanon 4 times in a friendly games .

when did you last beat our ALL STAR team?
i have to ask, bec. as one filipino has said here, lebanon and RP rarely meets in international tournaments (only now)
and maybe the RP team that lebanon beat in your so-called "official game" are made up of collegiate stars

because as i see it in jones' up and manila invitationals, your team is the one having a hard time beating us, our ALL STAR TEAM

we rarely build an ALL STAR team for international tournaments (just now)
so check it out if the RP team that you're saying you beat in official games was our ALL STAR team

[daniab]

official or friendly, daniab, you just gotta accept the fact that RP is one of the strongest teams in asia...

it's not like if we play an official FIBA game against you, we'll just lose by 50 points!

No doubt man,Rp team is one of best now in the region.

[daniab]

jus let our own teams do the talking on the court.

let's get it on!

Exactly

[daniab]

when did you last beat our ALL STAR team?
i have to ask, bec. as one filipino has said here, lebanon and RP rarely meets in international tournaments (only now)
and maybe the RP team that lebanon beat in your so-called "official game" are made up of collegiate stars

because as i see it in jones' up and manila invitationals, your team is the one having a hard time beating us, our ALL STAR TEAM

we rarely build an ALL STAR team for international tournaments (just now)
so check it out if the RP team that you're saying you beat in official games was our ALL STAR team

where i said lebanon beat Rp team in a official game ??

[saints13]

saints, ok...
i have my errors there bec. i didnt specify wat ranking i am talking about
but wat im citing there (the#2 ranking) is in the asian games 2002
i know its hilarious, "ranking in the 2002 asian games"

but hey, i wont be talking here of RP rankings in FIBA ASIA, of course,
bec. i know for a fact that our PROFFESIONAL STARS do not participate in
that tournament (i told you guys already that the only reason the
philippines is participating now is bec. of that OLYMPIC BERTH!!!)
lebanon is ranked higher than us bec. they send their all-stars in fiba asia
competitions unlike the RP team who doesnt really care to partipate in that
event

the world knows lebanon is 2nd in asia
but the filipinos know otherwise

but are you believing on that ranking FIBA gave us???you think its legit? even japan is ahead of us i think in that way of ranking...... we beat that lebanon team (ranked#2) twice this month with el-khatib and vogel and that african team of qatar (ranked#3), we beat them handily in jones' cup with their ace player MUSA playing for their team if the world thinks that way of the RP team, well its ok let the RP team do the talking on the court in tokushima

ei bro, no disrespect again. just for your info, so that you'll know what to say if somebody opened the issue about RP's FIBA ranking.it is simple arithmetic, there's a formula for computing it. I don't blame you for not knowing it. since Filipinos have this myth that we're still one of the best in Asia. but playing in your own backyard doesnt prove your claim. its like the old greece saying they're more dominant than persia without even trying to cross their borders. btw, Jones Cup and exhibition/tune-up games are not included in the scoring for the FIBA ranking.

we got a 2 year suspension because RP in the international basketball sucks
and the officials are so stupid by letting it happen for more than a decade,
and don't question why Qatar and Japan is ahead in Rankings, that is ecause
they have placed 3rd in recent FIBA Asia Championship twice. being proud
that Philippines is next to China and not knowing the fact that our RP Team
being sent to FIBA Asia is being clobbered by 40 to 50 pts.

FIBA recalculates its rankings for national teams each time a FIBA World
Championship, Olympic Games or a FIBA zone championship has concluded (like the FIBA Asia Championship).

Each FIBA or FIBA zone event is ranked and countries earn points for
finishing from first through 18th places. The gold medalist receives 50
points, silver is worth 40 and a bronze medalist country gets 30 points. The
fourth place finisher is awarded 15 points and each subsequent drop in
finish placement earns a country one less point. Therefore, the fifth place
finisher is given 14 points, sixth place gets 13 points, etc., through the
one point given to the 18th place. (btw, there are other points to be
accumulated, one of which is the olympics, no need to explain further)
btw, Malaysia being up to us in the latest FIBA rankings, is also legit,

since we are suspended and they won the SEABA cup, and SEABA is the only
source of points for the RP NT as far as FIBA rankings are concerned for the
last decade and a half. but, in the next FIBA ranking, I expect RP NT will
get a higher ranking. btw, it will take years before RP gets a respective
ranking, they really have to work for it.

ei, btw, I'm a Filipino but I respect those teams who deserve respect, and
we don't need to brag if RP NT will really do good in international
competitions.

we need not fear them because the current RP NT is capable of winning against any Asian team (although capable of losing too), but we need to
respect those guys, until RP has proven something really significant rather
than pocket tournaments like Manila Invitational and the Jones Cup.
and you're right, let the RP NT do the talking.

[psychopath]

ei bro, no disrespect again. just for your info, so that you'll know what to say if somebody opened the issue about RP's FIBA ranking.it is simple arithmetic, there's a formula for computing it. I don't blame you for not knowing it. since Filipinos have this myth that we're still one of the best in Asia. but playing in your own backyard doesnt prove your claim. its like the old greece saying they're more dominant than persia without even trying to cross their borders. btw, Jones Cup and exhibition/tune-up games are not included in the scoring for the FIBA ranking.

we got a 2 year suspension because RP in the international basketball sucks
and the officials are so stupid by letting it happen for more than a decade,
and don't question why Qatar and Japan is ahead in Rankings, that is ecause
they have placed 3rd in recent FIBA Asia Championship twice. being proud
that Philippines is next to China and not knowing the fact that our RP Team
being sent to FIBA Asia is being clobbered by 40 to 50 pts.

FIBA recalculates its rankings for national teams each time a FIBA World
Championship, Olympic Games or a FIBA zone championship has concluded (like the FIBA Asia Championship).

Each FIBA or FIBA zone event is ranked and countries earn points for
finishing from first through 18th places. The gold medalist receives 50
points, silver is worth 40 and a bronze medalist country gets 30 points. The
fourth place finisher is awarded 15 points and each subsequent drop in
finish placement earns a country one less point. Therefore, the fifth place
finisher is given 14 points, sixth place gets 13 points, etc., through the
one point given to the 18th place. (btw, there are other points to be
accumulated, one of which is the olympics, no need to explain further)
btw, Malaysia being up to us in the latest FIBA rankings, is also legit,

since we are suspended and they won the SEABA cup, and SEABA is the only
source of points for the RP NT as far as FIBA rankings are concerned for the
last decade and a half. but, in the next FIBA ranking, I expect RP NT will
get a higher ranking. btw, it will take years before RP gets a respective
ranking, they really have to work for it.

ei, btw, I'm a Filipino but I respect those teams who deserve respect, and
we don't need to brag if RP NT will really do good in international
competitions.

we need not fear them because the current RP NT is capable of winning against any Asian team (although capable of losing too), but we need to
respect those guys, until RP has proven something really significant rather
than pocket tournaments like Manila Invitational and the Jones Cup.
and you're right, let the RP NT do the talking.

saints13, you seem to have a lot of knowledge about RP bball internationally
and i seem to know less (and thats true, i admire you for that)

but you dont have to bring into play that historical knowledge of yours to just refute my point

yeah i asked you in my last post "is the ranking legit?"
you seemed to looked at it, the word legit, too literally
hell, of course they earned it, the rankings
teams earned it as you say, the legal way

but when i say legit, is it really 99x true that japan, malaysia etc. should be ahead of us?
are they really 99x better than us?
i know its legal,
on how these teams are being ranked, but does the ranking really shows the true standing of the teams?

just for example, if michael jordan is injured for half of the nba season and just averaged 18ppg due to his injury and loss the mvp race to karl malone but the bulls recovered in the playoffs and won the championship with a healthy jordan in the playoffs

who do you think is the real MVP? yeah malone did get the MVP award the legal way, but jordan is the deserving right? the legit

lastly about that fiba suspension,
this is the time i want you to share your historical knowledge
when was our RP team beaten by 50pts in fiba asia? was that before our suspension? its crazy bec. the only team that can beat us by that large a margin is china, and i dont think fiba should be surprised with that

maybe that RP team you're saying that was beaten by 50pts are college stars? i wanna know wat kind of RP team is that and when
thnx