24th FIBA-Asia Championship [Jul 28-Aug 5 Japan]

[Projectspeed]

Yes let's all segregate now those with fil bloodline living somewhere else from the pure blooded ones living back home. we might as well segregate the pure fils from the mestizos and the chinoys in the homeland. while we're @ it might as well ban chinese schools and go on an ethnic cleansing like Indonesia did back in the late 90s against the chinese-indonesians because they didnt get the point of pure indons and they're views of indons first in their homeland. if you havent gotten enough of my sarcasm please let me know, i'll add more.

you really don't get my point

well, if you will add your reply as an another issue... well, my simple answer will be....
bloodline/race is different from citizenship
peace

and it's elementary and not good to discuss about bloodline/races...



Go RP team...

[daniab]

Achievements are something to be proud of.... it's not about bragging... they call it bragging because they dont have something to be called achievements in International basketball especially in world basketball...

Whi says not we are the best team in asia today??? i didn't say we are the best team in asia today... what i am saying is not there is a big chance we can beat those teams who are considered as strong and competitive...

As i am always saying here... the team that should be watch in international competitions are still China and South Korea... we can find way to beat Lebanon and Qatar... we have proven that so many times already..

and to say that they have improved a lot... did we not improved a lot too??? as for man to man and skill to skill, we are a lot better than the rest of the asian squad...

but as i was saying, basketball is a team competition... we cannot win by simply sending the best pro players in the competition... that's why we PBA commissioner took care of the assignement in representing the country in international competition by lending the PBA players and restructuring the PBA calendar to aligh with the International schedules of tournament...

we are playing against teams that are already playing for so long together as a team... while we are assembling our team only months or so before the competition...

I hope you get my point... past is past but this is something for us to look forward to... that sometime in history we were once the superpower in basketball... that means we were able to pulled it before that means we can make it happen again...

and i know the road to this dream is not a walk in the park... that's why ourteam is preparing very hard for this upcoming asia championship...

to say that we can beat lebanon, qatar and s.korea easily is logically much much easier than beating the red dragon, CHINA.

We almost had a chance the first time we sent our PBA players in China. and slmost in Korea... we fell short... because of lack of preparations but not of quality players...

In fact we have too many quality players... that we can even form another TEAM A.

Dear vladski,you are saying that S.korea is much better than Lebanon,i want to tell you that we a lebanese NT we play against S.korea 4 times.
The first time in 1999 (asia championship) we won 75-65.
The second time (2001) in the 1st round :S.korea won against Lebanon 97-71.The 3rd time also in asian championship 2001 semi final we beat S.korea 75-72.

The last time we play against S.korea in Asian championship 2003 without Fadi el khatib,Brian bchara and others,korea defeat Lebanon 85-83.

So how do u know that S.korea is much better than Lebanon????

[Phantim3dx]

you really don't get my point

well, if you will add your reply as an another issue... well, my simple answer will be....
bloodline/race is different from citizenship
peace

and it's elementary and not good to discuss about bloodline/races...



Go RP team...

notice how i stated @ the very end about sarcasm, apparently you didn't read the last part i wasnt meaning to talk about ethnicity/race/citizenship, but a mere sarcasm at your points of calling others of your bloodline background a foreigner in your eyes; must mean the halfies in the natl squad are a disgrace as well in your personal opinion.

dont worry skywalker its what us fils do best bicker and squabble with each other, hence why just like the gov and its people cant come out of its slump in many areas. sad but the truth when you compare to those others in asia who are more united like the koreans (ROK to be exact) in how they developed so fast thru unity and putting aside bickering, god i miss face to face debates back in my uni days

[erektus]

To Phantim3dx and ProjectSpeed: Thanks for the fine display of Filipino "can do" politics. Your exchanges beautifully capture our cultural predisposition towards getting things done. =)

The topic of this thread is "Top 4 teams in Asia", yet for some reason pinoys manage to steer the discussion towards race, citizenship, and the logical ramifications of sarcasm (That sounded good, eh? But totally meaningless. How very pinoy). Get back to the topic, guys. We shouldn't always wash our dirty linen in public.

To Vladski: Please tone down on the empty boasts. Medyo over na pare, sorry. Yes, even to a proud Filipino like myself, boasting about our basketball achievements from half a century ago sounds, well...empty.

I know most Filipino basketball fans are soooo hungry for respect, but this is not the way to earn it. We only earn it on the court. The fact is, our NT has been suspended not only for 2 years -- we have been practically absent from the international basketball scene for more than 20 years! Because no PBA-backed, Class A team has ever participated in the FIBA Asia championship since 1986 when PBA-bound Allan Caidic, Samboy Lim, et al steered RP to the championship. Since then, we have been sending only Class C to Class E Teams -- thanks to our incompetent basketball leaders.

So, you can't blame our Asian neigbors if they look down on RP. They simply have no idea what our true strength is. None of them has any idea what havoc a Mark Caguioa can wreak against China, Korea or Lebanon (but then again, neither do we, since we have not actually seen how Mark would fare against Chen Jiang Hua). Much as I'd like to think that RP can beat Quatar, Lebanon and Korea, 2 out of 3 times, China's Team B 3 out of 3 times, and China's Team A 1 out of 5 times ---- I'm really just speculating until I actually see RP do it in a REAL, COMPETITIVE TOURNAMENT.

We will get our chance at glory in July in Japan -- AFTER 20+ AGONIZING YEARS. Let's not blow it this time.

notice how i stated @ the very end about sarcasm, apparently you didn't read the last part i wasnt meaning to talk about ethnicity/race/citizenship, but a mere sarcasm at your points of calling others of your bloodline background a foreigner in your eyes; must mean the halfies in the natl squad are a disgrace as well in your personal opinion.

dont worry skywalker its what us fils do best bicker and squabble with each other, hence why just like the gov and its people cant come out of its slump in many areas. sad but the truth when you compare to those others in asia who are more united like the koreans (ROK to be exact) in how they developed so fast thru unity and putting aside bickering, god i miss face to face debates back in my uni days

[sickcurtain_16]

Hey guys, calm down. I didn't expected this thread to end like this. I was looking at it starting from the beginning and then kaboom! hehehehe.

Now, let's all get back to the topic.

If we will base on the "recent" achievements of asian teams, I will rank them as:

1. China
2. Lebanon
3. S.Korea
4. Qatar

But I think, what most of us are talking about here is the ranking of the teams accdg to our own "scouting reports". For my list, it will be:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. Lebanon
4. S. Korea

[sickcurtain_16]

HI Vladski, yes, it's ok to speak about our history but saying it again and again in all the threads here, even the proud pinoy bball fans like me will get tired of it, more so with the other nationalities. Maybe, some of them knew them earlier than you. I can get your point, but then, maybe it's better if we just talk about the present, just like how we can contain Yao Ming, who will be guarding khatib, etc, etc.

And also, I don't like your way of saying "this is a wrong statement" because we all posts opinions here right? If it's about a fact, then you can quote it and say if it's wrong then correct it. But saying that someone's opinion is wrong, I don't think it's a good idea. There is no wrong opinion as far as i know. Peace to all !

[erektus]

I tend to agree with sickcurtain's rankings! However....assuming that China sends its Team B this July, I'd be more specific and say that IF THE FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS WERE HELD TODAY, the final standing would be as follows...

1. Lebanon
2. Philippines/S. Korea
3. Qatar/Japan
4. China Team B

Dark Horses: Chinese Taipei, Jordan, Kazakhstan

Sure, RP surprised Lebanon 2 times in exhibition matches but, after going through the rigors of the WBC (and beating France), Lebanon still has an edge over RP in poise and experience. To move up to # 1, RP needs to toughen up mentally (sweeping the Asian Champs Cup in Iran and the Qatar invitationals is a good place).

S. Korea has been keeping its cards close to its chest lately. But they're always dangerous. Ditto for Qatar and Japan, being the hosts.

I've already seen some of China's Team B players scrimmage one time I was in Guangzhou -- they look promising but still much too raw (and too soft) to put up a solid fight against the grown men of Lebanon, RP, etc. Japan has already shown it can beat China's U-20 team during the East Asian Games.

Taiwan, I think, is a rising star (almost a copycat of a running, 3-pt-shooting Korean team) -- it's just that they lack mental toughness. Jordan has a slew of newly naturalized and/or half-foreign players in its fold.

Hey guys, calm down. I didn't expected this thread to end like this. I was looking at it starting from the beginning and then kaboom! hehehehe.

Now, let's all get back to the topic.

If we will base on the "recent" achievements of asian teams, I will rank them as:

1. China
2. Lebanon
3. S.Korea
4. Qatar

But I think, what most of us are talking about here is the ranking of the teams accdg to our own "scouting reports". For my list, it will be:

1. China
2. Philippines
3. Lebanon
4. S. Korea

[ctongco]

Atlast some real basketball talk. hehe. However I still go with my original choices. Which is really just anybody's game. The way I see it China (B), Lebanon, S. Korea, Philippines have equal chances of winning the tournament. Darkhorses in my mind would be Qatar, Japan, Jordan.

I do agree with erektus that if FIBA-Asia was today the Philippines would be at a great disadvantage. However, I am glad that we (RP) still have more that a month to prepare for the tournament.

I tend to agree with sickcurtain's rankings! However....assuming that China sends its Team B this July, I'd be more specific and say that IF THE FIBA-ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS WERE HELD TODAY, the final standing would be as follows...

1. Lebanon
2. Philippines/S. Korea
3. Qatar/Japan
4. China Team B

Dark Horses: Chinese Taipei, Jordan, Kazakhstan

Sure, RP surprised Lebanon 2 times in exhibition matches but, after going through the rigors of the WBC (and beating France), Lebanon still has an edge over RP in poise and experience. To move up to # 1, RP needs to toughen up mentally (sweeping the Asian Champs Cup in Iran and the Qatar invitationals is a good place).

S. Korea has been keeping its cards close to its chest lately. But they're always dangerous. Ditto for Qatar and Japan, being the hosts.

I've already seen some of China's Team B players scrimmage one time I was in Guangzhou -- they look promising but still much too raw (and too soft) to put up a solid fight against the grown men of Lebanon, RP, etc. Japan has already shown it can beat China's U-20 team during the East Asian Games.

Taiwan, I think, is a rising star (almost a copycat of a running, 3-pt-shooting Korean team) -- it's just that they lack mental toughness. Jordan has a slew of newly naturalized and/or half-foreign players in its fold.

[Projectspeed]

notice how i stated @ the very end about sarcasm, apparently you didn't read the last part i wasnt meaning to talk about ethnicity/race/citizenship, but a mere sarcasm at your points of calling others of your bloodline background a foreigner in your eyes; must mean the halfies in the natl squad are a disgrace as well in your personal opinion.

dont worry skywalker its what us fils do best bicker and squabble with each other, hence why just like the gov and its people cant come out of its slump in many areas. sad but the truth when you compare to those others in asia who are more united like the koreans (ROK to be exact) in how they developed so fast thru unity and putting aside bickering, god i miss face to face debates back in my uni days

I'll rest my case here, so as to stop much more elementary arguments that may arise

[Grr_tiger]

Achievements are something to be proud of.... it's not about bragging... they call it bragging because they dont have something to be called achievements in International basketball especially in world basketball...

Whi says not we are the best team in asia today??? i didn't say we are the best team in asia today... what i am saying is not there is a big chance we can beat those teams who are considered as strong and competitive...

As i am always saying here... the team that should be watch in international competitions are still China and South Korea... we can find way to beat Lebanon and Qatar... we have proven that so many times already..

and to say that they have improved a lot... did we not improved a lot too??? as for man to man and skill to skill, we are a lot better than the rest of the asian squad...

but as i was saying, basketball is a team competition... we cannot win by simply sending the best pro players in the competition... that's why we PBA commissioner took care of the assignement in representing the country in international competition by lending the PBA players and restructuring the PBA calendar to aligh with the International schedules of tournament...

we are playing against teams that are already playing for so long together as a team... while we are assembling our team only months or so before the competition...

I hope you get my point... past is past but this is something for us to look forward to... that sometime in history we were once the superpower in basketball... that means we were able to pulled it before that means we can make it happen again...

and i know the road to this dream is not a walk in the park... that's why ourteam is preparing very hard for this upcoming asia championship...

to say that we can beat lebanon, qatar and s.korea easily is logically much much easier than beating the red dragon, CHINA.

We almost had a chance the first time we sent our PBA players in China. and slmost in Korea... we fell short... because of lack of preparations but not of quality players...

In fact we have too many quality players... that we can even form another TEAM A.

this history thing will go on and on like a vicious cycle

Dear vladski,you are saying that S.korea is much better than Lebanon,i want to tell you that we a lebanese NT we play against S.korea 4 times.
The first time in 1999 (asia championship) we won 75-65.
The second time (2001) in the 1st round :S.korea won against Lebanon 97-71.The 3rd time also in asian championship 2001 semi final we beat S.korea 75-72.

The last time we play against S.korea in Asian championship 2003 without Fadi el khatib,Brian bchara and others,korea defeat Lebanon 85-83.

So how do u know that S.korea is much better than Lebanon????

hhmmm.... tough question.

right now, i would say 4 games out of 5, Lebanon can beat Korea simply because the Koreans are not too serious about their NT unlike before and most Asian teams have found a way to overcome the Korean style of basketball.

[daniab]

this history thing will go on and on like a vicious cycle







hhmmm.... tough question.

right now, i would say 4 games out of 5, Lebanon can beat Korea simply because the Koreans are not too serious about their NT unlike before and most Asian teams have found a way to overcome the Korean style of basketball.

Dear Grr_tiger,what are you saying is not true about S.korea:
1_S.korea NT had paticipate in asian championship 1999 in a serious NT ,because in this Tournament S.korea the second place.

2_ in asian championship 2001,S.korea had participate also in a serious team,korea beat lebanon in the first round,and lebanon beat korea in semi finals.

3_In asian championship 2003,south korea had participate in a serious team ,korea beat lebanon in a overtime without el khatib and others 85-83.
And don't forget in asia 2003 S.korea lost against chine only by 10 pts :106-96.

In a conclusion,S.korea stop care about his NT in 2005 why ? i don't know!!
i don't want to say that lebanese NT is the strongest team in asia,like the Phillippino members, i would only to say that asia 2007 will be a hard competition to all asia teams specially that all asia teams try to present a strong team.

[karim]

philipinos are philosophizers thats y they say korea is better than leb...just cuz philipines won leb in a friendly game on their own court it doesnt matter now that leb has beaten korea 2 out of 3 times , even in our 2nd team we lost by only 2pts......anyway daniab are the games of riyadi and blue stars in arab and asian championship for clubs broadcasted on TV , if yeah on which channels and what time ?

[daniab]

philipinos are philosophizers thats y they say korea is better than leb...just cuz philipines won leb in a friendly game on their own court it doesnt matter now that leb has beaten korea 2 out of 3 times , even in our 2nd team we lost by only 2pts......anyway daniab are the games of riyadi and blue stars in arab and asian championship for clubs broadcasted on TV , if yeah on which channels and what time ?

Yeah karim,Arab champs will be broadcast on ART arab channel,and Asian championship for clubs on Aljazeerasport if i'm not wrong.

[asapa11]

ok ok

do you guys have any information on the Chinese NT team B. I'm kinda worried that these guys may still be a very strong team. after all they are china team B and some of them could maybe someday make it to their team A.

what do you guys think?

[Phantim3dx]

Dear Grr_tiger,what are you saying is not true about S.korea:
1_S.korea NT had paticipate in asian championship 1999 in a serious NT ,because in this Tournament S.korea the second place.

2_ in asian championship 2001,S.korea had participate also in a serious team,korea beat lebanon in the first round,and lebanon beat korea in semi finals.

3_In asian championship 2003,south korea had participate in a serious team ,korea beat lebanon in a overtime without el khatib and others 85-83.
And don't forget in asia 2003 S.korea lost against chine only by 10 pts :106-96.

In a conclusion,S.korea stop care about his NT in 2005 why ? i don't know!!
i don't want to say that lebanese NT is the strongest team in asia,like the Phillippino members, i would only to say that asia 2007 will be a hard competition to all asia teams specially that all asia teams try to present a strong team.

not trying to doubt your words nor anybodies here, well some. but i think what he means is that the ROK Natl team might be on a rebuilding process and isnt as strong as previous teams in the past as you have mentioned with your facts.