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elaj
08-01-2006, 12:58 PM
Slovenia will be hosting Alpos Cup in Maribor, where four NT's will be playing their preparation games for upcoming World Cup in Japan. The participanting NT's are - Venezuela, Lebanon, Canada and Slovenia. The tournament starts on Friday (4.8) and will last untill Sunday (6.8).

Friday, 4.8.2006

at 17.30 Venezuela : Canada

at 20.00 Slovenia : Lebanon

Saturday, 5.8.2006

at 17.30 Canada : Lebanon

at 20.00 Slovenia : Venezuela

Sunday, 6.8.2006

at 17.30 Lebanon : Venezuela

at 20.00 Slovenia : Canada

The games of Slovenian national team will be also broadcasted at SLO2 TV channel (unfortunetly there is not internet broadcast for those games). The tournament will be in Tabor arena, the day tickets for both games will cost ~4€ (1000SIT).

Another thing... the TV Slovenija 2 which will be broadcasting the games can be seen also on Hotbird 3 Satellite (http://www.lyngsat.com/hb3.html).

Joško Poljak Fan
08-01-2006, 02:37 PM
I know Pipan wanted some non-europe teams, to get used to their style of game... but this is just too uncompetitive tournament... he could just as well invite Laško, Helios and Bosna Sarajevo

matrix031
08-02-2006, 09:34 AM
I will go there on Saturday to watch both games. Do I need to reserve any tickets? Will somebody of you guys will be there? Is the arena easy to find?

elaj
08-02-2006, 10:12 AM
I will go there on Saturday to watch both games. Do I need to reserve any tickets? Will somebody of you guys will be there? Is the arena easy to find?
I probably wont go there, maybe on Sunday, I'll see. :rolleyes:

You don't need to reserve the tickets, be there a hour before the game and you will get them 100%.

Here you have the map (http://www.euroave.com/maps/maribor/map/505.jpg), where you can find the "Dvorana Tabor". The address of this arena is Koresova ulica 7, 2109 Maribor (http://www.dvorana-tabor.si/). Here you can find (http://www.euroave.com/maps/00mapx.php?xcity=maribor) full map of Maribor. :D

boki
08-02-2006, 01:04 PM
I will probably go on saturday and sunday, maybe even friday. I'm without the car at the moment, so I should see what schedule my friends have.

elaj
08-03-2006, 02:53 PM
Venezuela NT is being late, they are coming to Slovenia tomorrow (Friday) at 20.25, so the game Venezuela - Canada will be played on Saturday in forenoon hours. :rolleyes:

matrix031
08-03-2006, 05:11 PM
so they are playing at 12? if I buy a ticket for the other 2 games will I be albe to see also this game?

elaj
08-03-2006, 05:50 PM
so they are playing at 12? if I buy a ticket for the other 2 games will I be albe to see also this game?
No, the game Venezuela:Canada will be played at 9:00 on Saturday, as I know if you buy the ticket for the Friday, you can watch also the game on Saturday (Venezuela:Canada).

elaj
08-04-2006, 07:44 PM
Slovenia : Lebanon 114:53 (75:44, 58:35, 23:16)

Slovenia: Jurak 2, Lakovič 7 (2:2), Ožbolt 3, Bečirovič 3 (1:1), Nesterovič 9, Udrih 17 (1:3), Nachbar 12, Joksimovič 5 (2:3), Milič 2, Dragič 6 (2:3), Slokar 12, Brezec 19 (9:11), Lorbek 6, Zagorac 5, Zupan 6 (1:2).

Lebanon: Abdelnour 2, Tawbe 2, Mahmoud 4, Fahd 15 (4:4), Feghali 6 (2:3), Samaha 3 (1:2), Vogel 5 (1:2), Khoury 5, El Hatib 11 (6:6).

FT's: Slovenija 20:26, Libanon 14:19.

3PT: Slovenia 11:23 (Udrih, Nachbar, Lorbek po 2, Lakovič, Ožbolt, Nesterovič, Joksimovič, Zupan po 1), Lebanon 5:23 (Fahd 3, Sabah in El Hatib po 1).

Rebounds: Slovenia 38 (13 + 25), Lebanon 27 (12 + 15).
Fouls: Slovenia 21, Lebanon 23.

What to say? The score tells you everything...

boki
08-04-2006, 08:58 PM
I think those kind of preparation games in this late stage are really useless. I also think that Pipan should have cut three players allready before this tournament, because there will be only three preparation games left to play with major players. I would cut Zagorac, Lorbek and Joksimovic. Dragic could be one of the best fast break players in Europe allready.

Maroun
08-04-2006, 08:59 PM
Hi elaj, how r u? did u see the game., what happened why this bigs score.? and how did the lebanese play?

elaj
08-04-2006, 09:13 PM
Hi elaj, how r u? did u see the game., what happened why this bigs score.? and how did the lebanese play?
Hi, I'm fine, thanks. :D

Yes, I saw the game, nothing special happened, Slovenians played some ball. ;)

The Lebanese played awful, the best player for Lebanon was Fahd, he scored some crazy triples and that was all. Slovenians dominated in any aspect of the game. :rolleyes:

Maroun
08-04-2006, 09:18 PM
Here in Leb we r ot watching the games.
In the Efes tournament Slovenia won 88-66 ( 22 pts diff)
And now 114-53(61pts dif!!!!!!) there must be sth wrong
Rony Fahed does those 3 ponts always.

boki
08-04-2006, 09:38 PM
Lebanon played with reserve players most of 4th quarter, so the margin was getting bigger every minute. Lebanon did quite well in 1st quarter though.

Kings
08-05-2006, 03:14 AM
http://www.vecer.si/vecer2003/podatki/2006/08/04/SLIKE/ONLINE_222726-300.jpg

Joško Poljak Fan
08-05-2006, 08:49 AM
Jaka Lakovič:
"We'll have to wait for the tournament in Singapore torealise the real strenght of out team. We are been better for some levels than Libanon today and some other NTs. Anyway we're glad we are showing some progress in the game and I really hope It'll continue this way."

Boštjan Nachbar:
"Up's and down's are still visible in our games. In the real games we won't be able to afford that many TO's and passes out court"

elaj
08-05-2006, 05:42 PM
Canada : Venezuela 108:86 (81:71, 50:43, 24:16)
Lebanon : Canada 83:80 (60:65, 40:37, 21:16)

Today Slovenia plays vs. Venezuela in 20 minutes.;)

elaj
08-05-2006, 06:50 PM
Slovenia - Venezuela - 39-34 (half time)

WE WERE LEADING 32-8 IN THE FIRST QUARTER (Rasho-Jurak-Nachbar-Becirovic-Lakovic), THEN COACH SUBBED WHOLE STARTING FIVE (Brezec-Slokar-Milic-Ozbolt-Udrih), AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED. :mad: :eek:

First Q - no mistakes, great defense, Rasho closed our basket, other players solid.

Second Q - :eek: :eek: :eek: No defense, stupid mistakes, they played like they've already won the game, Ozbolt played like he isn't there, also Slokar... Diaz at Venezuela hit some 4-5 crazy triples... and we have again a close game.

Amazing what change of starting five can do. :rolleyes:

Anyway, second half time coming up.

elaj
08-05-2006, 07:51 PM
Slovenia : Venezuela 88:61 (58:49, 39:34, 30:8)

Slovenia: Jurak 5 (3:4), Lakovič 8 (4:4), Ožbolt 9 (1:1), Bečirovič 13 (2:2), Nesterovič 6, Udrih 2, Nachbar 13 (2:2), Milič 14 (1:2), Slokar 6, Brezec 4, Zagorac 8.

Venezuela: Diaz 14 (2:2), Machado 2, Mijares 5 (1:2), Lugo 8 (0:3), Aguilera 12 (9:9), Torres 9 (3:4), Cedeno 5 (1:2), Vallenilla 2, Bayona 4 (2:4).

FT: Slovenia 13:17, Venezuela 17:26.
3PT: Slovenia 5:14 (Ožbolt 2, Bečirovič 1, Nachbar 1, Milič 1), Venezuela 6:17 (Diaz 4, Mijares 1, Aguilera 1).
Rebounds: Slovenia 46 (17 + 29), Venezuela 30 (14 + 16).
Fouls: Slovenia 21, Venezuela 17.

Well, what to say, things got clear in 3Q, all players started to play little bit more agressive defense. I was delighted with Nachbar (nice dunk over Torres), Milic had some nice offensive rebounds, Rasho played good defense, Slokar and Brezec duo wasn't really working, the defense was slow, and too much static. Anyway, the mistakes came on surface (around 20 lost balls, too much...), things must get better untill the WC, tomorrow we play vs. Canada and then good preparation games in Singapore vs. Argentina, Serbia&Montenegro and Spain. :rolleyes:

Maroun
08-05-2006, 08:00 PM
Congratulation for Lebanon and Slovenia,
hope Lebanon can win vs Venezuela.
It was a nice Game Elaj :rolleyes:

Joško Poljak Fan
08-05-2006, 08:05 PM
attacking zone defense needs some attention. Imo it's one of the fundamental weaknesses of our NT. Pipan could have changes the curse of 2nd quarter by some substitutions, but he insisted with the lineup... attacking zone was too static, while transfering the ball vs. light zone press seemed troubling to me as well- I hope that 2003 vs. Israel was the last time we lost against such defense. There shouldn't be any troubles with Udrih and Lakovič on PG, but imho they could still use some practice on that.

Lakovič-Bečirovič-Nachbar is a sick offensive trio and they were decent on defense as well... I think Bečirovič gained some of his reliability in defense back through this year, he showcased some great court vision.
Ožbolt clearly lacks of rhytm due to not playing this season.
Slokar had some nice blocks, has good rebounding touch and I dislike the fact he is going to NBA less and less- if anyone, he needs a season filled with minutes... this way he'll only sit on the bench.

Lorbek, Zupan and Joksimovič didn't play in this game and it is likely they'll be the ones left out for Japan... I'd prefer Zupan over Zagorac as he is taller more athletic, but Zagorac is obviously less versatile and more efficient while he also probably communicates easier in defense. I have no doubt Zupan will be in the team in the future.

DZK
08-05-2006, 08:36 PM
Training to attack zone defense is always last on the list of preparation tasks...in any team in any country...it is just the rule among coaches...so I wouldn't be worried that much.

What bothered me was laid back attitude in 2nd quarter...especially when there were guys like Ozbolt and Udrih on the court...it shocked me...I thought they would be the ones to finish off the oposition...hope it was just a bad day and a lack of concentration.

Becirovic is really surprising me from game to game...he has the confidence back...also his speed and quickness both look much better...might be Panathinaikos just made a steal of the season.

I prefer Zagorac...more experienced and more stable...he went through all national selections and already won medal at U-20 (or it was 21?) championship...he knows what those competitions are like.

rocknet
08-05-2006, 09:05 PM
Just wondering if anyone has the Canadian player stats on the Canada games.

Thanks,

Rocknet

elaj
08-05-2006, 09:08 PM
Just wondering if anyone has the Canadian player stats on the Canada games.

Thanks,

Rocknet
Nope, I can't find the stats from any other games, only the games which Slovenia played on this tournament. :rolleyes:

boki
08-05-2006, 10:01 PM
I was on the game vs Venezuela and It was really funny to see some Venezuela's players during timeouts when they were rather looking at cheerleaders than listening to their coach :D

Markoishvili
08-05-2006, 11:42 PM
It is not really important, since neither is gonna play, but bringing Zupan would be nice due to obvious reasons.

I like you team very much, but also don`t see any point of playing againts such a horibble squads like Libanon and Venezuela - it is ridiculous that they get to participate in WC with teams like Russia, Croatia...sitting at home.

If your team want to win medal, which quality wise are certainly capable of, Primoz and Radoslav must be more agressive and consistent down low. They complement each other well - Brezec is more scoring oriented big, with soft touch and good IQ, while Rasho is more of a physical presence in the post, while also being able to contribute some with his back to the basket. His jumper is on decline last seasons.

Udrih, Lakovic and Becirovic are great trio, this time i would like to see Sani running the Point, instead of playing as a SG on last Eurobasket. His court vision and passing is superior to that of Lakovic and Udrih in my opinion. Beno`s scoring ability will be a big boost in comparasion with Eurobasket.

I didn`t get to watch this two games, who is playing at the PF. Milic sounds like obivious solution, he might be couple of Cm short, but is strong and can defend well. With long Nachbar on the SF, size is not that big of an issues.

Slovenia has all neccesary tools to win medal, and i think this is squad that will finally take off that "looser" label of National team. I have a gut, that you will take Americans down :).

Joško Poljak Fan
08-06-2006, 08:53 AM
It is not really important, since neither is gonna play, but bringing Zupan would be nice due to obvious reasons.
I think in group stages any of those 5 players could easily get significant minutes against Senegal or China without hurting the team, for the others to get some rest maybee. At good defending period Dragič could earn some minutes- he is good at defense but most of all pace's up the fast break.


Sani did run the point for some minutes in the fourth quarter, while Milič could play PF, I think most coaches prefer to use him on SF as than he creates a missmatch for 95% of european SF's.

about the medals- we have all the tools on the roster, but this is competition afterall,this time I think were actually far from top3 roster, while this NT failed too many times to hope for a positive surprise. Also other teams played together on at least twice more international games, they know each other- Slovenians don't since there is always someone missing, no matter what... I'd be happy if they just play the way they can, do their job, get among top8... while for the next eurobasket, I want Smodiš, Lorbek and Vujačič in this team, to tear apart the EC07:D ;)

as for USA, on eurobasket's Slovenia has a tradition in group stage to always beat at least one team that gets to the medal eventually, for the past 4 championships (2005-Greece, France, 2003-Italy, 2001-Turkey, 1999-Spain)... if we'd make conclusions with that, since USA is the only one from group D that might win the medal, they better watch out :D :D...

Proph·et
08-06-2006, 09:25 AM
If your team want to win medal, which quality wise are certainly capable of, Primoz and Radoslav must be more agressive and consistent down low. They complement each other well - Brezec is more scoring oriented big, with soft touch and good IQ, while Rasho is more of a physical presence in the post, while also being able to contribute some with his back to the basket. His jumper is on decline last seasons.

Yeah, I am also very high on our center duo and expect big things from them. I especially like how their games compliment each other's which opens a lot of tactical settings for our coach (I don't know why he didn't try to play them at the same time), but the absence of Smodis with his experience and Erazem could mean that we won't finish the WC as high as we would like to. And Rasho's stroke from the outside was on high level in Maribor tournament, he scored a three pointer for god's sake, and his shoot is much better than most people think it is.

Here is my team for WC:
Radoslav Nesterovic (a captain and defensive stopper)
Primoz Brezec (great offensive threat from anywhere inside the three point line)
Zelimir Zagorac (more experienced than Zupan and great offensive rebounder)
Goran Jurak (hard worker, hustler and prepared to carry out the dirty little work)
Uros Slokar(nice size and shooting touch, not aggressive enough)
Marko Milic (co-captain, experience, strenght, defence, great passing ability)
Bostjan Nachbar(scorer, great size, streaky player)
Saso Ozbolt (defence, can shoot from outside, not in shape of his life due to injury)
Jaka Lakovic (more of a shooting guard in pg's body, lack of playmaking abilities)
Beno Udrih (one day he's the perfect point guard, next day he's...)
Sani Becirovic (he'd be one of the best European shooting guards if there wasn't a bunch of injuries setting him back, but he's almost 100% back, outstanding playmaking abilities and high b-ball IQ)
Domen Lorbek (between Dragic and Lorbek I pick better shooter, he would be usefull in case of zone defence, great attacking potential)
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Miha Zupan (his time will come, his biggest problem is his hearing set-back)
Nebojsa Joksimovic (he's not in best shape)
Goran Dragic(his time will come, the team already has enough of point guards in Lakovic, Udrih, Becirovic and Dragic's shoot in still very questionable, he's not a level of this team so I pick better shooter as Lorbek in front of him)

elaj
08-06-2006, 05:35 PM
Lebanon : Venezuela 81:79

elaj
08-06-2006, 08:01 PM
Slovenia : Canada 87:72 (28:12, 46:28, 65:53)

Slovenia: Jurak 6, Lakovič 10 (1:2), Ožbolt 7 (2:2), Bečirovič 10 (6:6), Nesterovič 8, Udrih 12 (5:6), Nachbar 8 (4:4), Dragič 2, Milič 7 (1:2), Slokar 1 (1:2), Lorbek 2 (2:2), Brezec 8 (2:3), Zagorac 6 (2:2).

Canada: Anderson 2, Bell 3, English 16 (6:6), Kendall 2, A. Doornekamp 4, Thomas 13 (2:4), Young 4, N. Doornekamp 16 (6:6), Kuljanin 4, Brempong 6, Shepherd 2 (0:2).

FT: Slovenia 26:31, Canada 14:18.

3PT: Slovenia 5:12 (Lakovič 3, Udrih, Ožbolt), Canada 4:13 (English 2, Thomas, Bell).

Fouls: Slovenia 17, Canada 26.

Rasho won the MVP award, he has really showed that he is one of the best defensive centers around and actually he played good also at offensive end of the game. It was an easy game for Slovenia, the game showed improvements in defense, that what is most important. The score difference could be bigger, but I must say that I was positively surprised by the motivation of Canadian players during the game. They really showed some nice moves and played with heart, what is the most important. They are young bunch of guys, and some of them have bright future. Slovenia showed that they can score also vs. zone defense, still there were many passing mistakes especially by Ozbolt what was a big surprise for me. :rolleyes: All players had an average game, nothing special and I'm looking forward to see or to hear the reports from Singapore tournament.:D

Pipan also cut 3 players from the NT (there were 15 players) and the names are:
- Nebojsa Joksimovic
- Domen Lorbek
- Miha Zupan

Maroun
08-06-2006, 08:17 PM
To Matej and all the Slovenian guys here, im sorry, but i have to say A BIG CONGRATULATION to Lebanon for beating Venezuela and finishing second in the tournament, and then Congratulation for Slovenia for winning the whole thing.
Proud to be Lebanese

Joško Poljak Fan
08-06-2006, 08:38 PM
Congrats to Lebanon ;)

Slovenia : Canada 87:72 (28:12, 46:28, 65:53)

Slovenia:
Udrih 12, Lakovič 10, Bečirovič 10, Nesterovič 8, Nachbar 8, Brezec 8, Milič 7, Ožbolt 7, Jurak 6, Zagorac 6, Dragič 2, Lorbek 2, Slokar 1

Canada:
English 16, N. Doornekamp 16, Thomas 13, Brempong 6, Young 4, A. Doornekamp 4, Young 4, Kuljanin 4, Bell 3, Kendall 2, Brherd 2, Anderson 2


we're going to miss Smodiš, Lorbek or Tušek... everything from rebounding to positioning and afterall scoring as well...

todays game was boring more or less, Milič/Ožbolt/Lakovič backcourt is way too passive to be left together on court. I was annoyed by all those additional passes our players were making instead of simple execution... especially when Rašo and Milič were passing into opponents hands, legs... wherever...

it's still a preparation game, so I guess things will (or better put: they should) look much more different in Japan.

Kings
08-07-2006, 01:21 AM
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elaj
08-07-2006, 09:00 AM
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