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Joško Poljak Fan
07-13-2006, 01:07 PM
it's decided that from now on the playoffs would decide the winner (thaniks god, finally) eventhough 4 teams will start in semifinals (3 games series), and in my opinion it wouldn't be too tough to make it only a home&away game untill the finals and establish quarterfinals as well due to that... anyway it's an improvement, mostprobably accepted because AL management is counting on one additional euroleague invitation if euroleague indeed expands after 2007/08 season.

some more signings from this area... Partizan signed Dušan Kecman a while ago and Milenko Tepič... while imho it would be hard to replace Miloje's dominance under the rim and they'll have to search for some much better reinforcements if they want to be succesful in euroleague and adruiatic league all at the same time (the reality might be they'd concentrate only on adriatic league again, just as last year)

Split signed Damjan Rudež from Belgian Oostende and considering there kmust be some money left from Pašalič and Ukič's buyouts I hope they'd finally make a competitive team... Rudež, Perič and Kaštropil should show some improvement this season and if they'd finally play up to their potential Split has a chance to return on european bball map...

Buducnost PG
07-13-2006, 01:23 PM
Day 1

FMP - Crvena zvezda
Partizan - Hemofarm
Budućnost - Cibona
Split CO - Bosna ASA BHT
Zagreb - Helios
Geoplin Slovan - Union Olimpija
Široki - Zadar

From 2007/2008 Adriatic will have 14 Teams as now but Skopje will join the league. So we will have 2 serbian, 2 croatian, 2 slovenian, Buducnost Podgorica, Skopje and Bosna Sarajevo for sure. So we have 9 teams. Then the country with the best results from the next season will get 2 more places for 2007/2008. The 2nd and 3rd will get 1 more place. The country with the best results from 2005/2006 and 2006/2007 will get also 1 more place. So it could happen that we will see 5 serbian teams in Adriatic from 2007.

elaj
07-13-2006, 01:25 PM
Wow, Serbian and Slovenian derby(s) for the first round. :D

BTW, I've heard that there should be a ALL STAR game too... in Ljubljana. :D

Joško Poljak Fan
07-13-2006, 02:21 PM
From 2007/2008 Adriatic will have 14 Teams as now but Skopje will join the league. So we will have 2 serbian, 2 croatian, 2 slovenian, Buducnost Podgorica, Skopje and Bosna Sarajevo for sure. So we have 9 teams. Then the country with the best results from the next season will get 2 more places for 2007/2008. The 2nd and 3rd will get 1 more place. The country with the best results from 2005/2006 and 2006/2007 will get also 1 more place. So it could happen that we will see 5 serbian teams in Adriatic from 2007.
Serbia getting 5 teams right now is reality, based on result of those teams... Croatia and Slovenia are both in bball club crisis so I think we don't really have the teams to battle for Serbian 5th team (Boducnost- Vojvodina... it's the same)... in the long run of course I think things will change.

I realised there will also be an adriatic league all-star day from now on... I don't think we need it, but It's definately going to be interesting just with how will they fill up both teams... east/west?, foreigh/home?... serbia/the rest? :D ...new comedy rising up...

boki
07-13-2006, 05:58 PM
The playoff system if better, but it would be more interesting if it would start with 1/4 finals IMO.

Buducnost PG
07-13-2006, 09:39 PM
At first i was not happy with this league but now it will get better and better and i hope it will help our basketball (serbian, croatian, slovenian etc.). We have a long way to go, but perhaps we will be at the top of europe in 10 or 15 years. The talent we have in the ex-ju region is amazing but we need some more strong sponsors so that we could keep our talented players longer and also have the money to bring in some players from the USA or other countries.

From 2007 we will have 4 teams in the Euroleague and 3 in Uleb Cup which play in the Adriatic. So we get the same as Spain and Italy.:D

And what is going on her boys? Only slovenians are here and me now. But were are the serbian and croatian or bosina users?:D

Joško Poljak Fan
09-02-2006, 09:06 PM
friendlies:
Partizan - Vojvodina 92:100
Peković 29, Bogdanović 17, Veličković 14, Bakić 12

Split - Bodučnost 75-83
Car 14, Kedžo 12, Kaštropil 12; Maraš 14, Mijatović 14, Dašić 14, Micov 12

Joško Poljak Fan
09-03-2006, 06:45 PM
Outright winner
Sunday, April 01, 2007
ABA, Europe

2006/07 ABA - 12:00 PM
Tournament Winner (including playoffs)
Partizan Mobtel 5.00
Red Star Belgrade 5.00
Cibona 6.00
Hemofarm 7.00
FMP 8.00
Union Olimpija 9.00
Zadar 10.00
Geoplin Slovan 25.00
Bosna Asa 41.00
Budućnost 41.00
Pivovarna Laško 61.00
Siroki Eronet 101.00
Split CO 101.00
Helios Domžale 201.00


:D
i just love profesionalism... I'll bet on Laško and than try to sue bet&win...

elaj
09-03-2006, 07:27 PM
friendlies:
Partizan - Vojvodina 92:100
Peković 29, Bogdanović 17, Veličković 14, Bakić 12

Split - Bodučnost 75-83
Car 14, Kedžo 12, Kaštropil 12; Maraš 14, Mijatović 14, Dašić 14, Micov 12

Split-Buducnost 69-77 (Kastropil 14, Siriscevic 11 - Micov 19, Maras 14, Vranes 12)
Crvena zvezda-Mega Ishrana 91-76.
Siroki-Alkar 100-64.
Crvena zvezda-Cherkasy 102-96 (Gurovic 25, Dragicevic 20, Misanovic 18, Kovac 18).
Slovan-Bosna 87-81 (Begic 22, Latham 21 – Ciric 25, Sehovic 15).
Hemofarm-Ergonom 87-71 (Borisov 17, Bakic 16, Marijanovic 15)
Helios-Loka kava 113-71 (Pavic 24, Troha 14, Zalokar12, Zagorc 12, Doncic 12)
Zadar-Unics Kazan 88-83, 92-92
Slovan-Alpos Kemoplast 92-77 (Preldžić 18, Latham 22, Begić 17)

Joško Poljak Fan
09-03-2006, 08:01 PM
damn... where did you find all those?

HELIOS : KRKA 75 : 65 (10:15, 20:17, 24:16, 21:17)
Janža, Pavič 16, Zalokar 10; Sebič 12, Mihailovič, Bučar, Jovanovič 10

looks like Begić is going to pan out for Slovan afterall...

elaj
09-08-2006, 05:33 PM
FMP-Efes Pilsen 91-81 (Pantic 15, Krstovic 14, Savanovic 10 - Nicholas 19, Jenkins 18, Abi 15).
Zdravlje-Crvena zvezda 83-87 (Mitic 27, Miljkovic 18 - Dragicevic 26, Gurovic 20, Milosevic 16).
Geoplin Slovan-Turow 68-61 (Preldzic 16, Klobucar 16, Vidmar 15 - Petrovic 16, Ljubotina 14).
Bosna-Slavija 98-77 (Garma 20, Zimic 20, Gilbert 11- Veskovic 14, Rodic 13, Memic 13).
Helios-Koper 92-58 (Pavic 25, Troha 19 - Walker 15, Zdravkovic 10, Tanaskovic 10).
Hemofarm-Sloga 85-68 (Rakic 21, Vukosavljevic 15).

elaj
09-09-2006, 10:12 AM
Bosna-Mega Ishrana 77-95 (Ahmetbašić 9, Šuljagić 2, Ikonić 12, Ćirić 17, Bašalić 4, Zimić 3, Dedović 3, Garma 20, Lewis 7)

Hemofarm-Radički Zastava 87-80 (Savović 13, Bakić 20, M. Marković, Rakić 8, Šuput 15, S. Marković 4, Jerominov, Joksimović 6, Marjanović, Radinović 11, Borisov, Vukosavljević 12)

Cibona-Split 104-87 (Rozić 31, Mance 28, Vrbanc 12, McCulough 12, Žuža 9, Morović 8, Krasić 2, Trepalovac 1 - Rudež 19, Kedžo 12, Stinson 12, Han 10, Car 8, A. Delaš 8, Sobin 7, Gaurina 4, Siripčević 3, M. Delaš 2, Lozančić 2)

Široki-Zagreb 88-77 (ot) (Štemberger 17, Špralja 16, Opačak 15, Barač 14, Stringer 10, Brkić 7, Vujanović 4 - Zadravec 16, Tomić 15, Simon 14, Broyles 13, Nešović 7, Vrsaljko 4, Garma 3, Kovačević 3, Babić 2)

Geoplin Slovan-Turow Zgorzelec 56-68 (Latham 4, Preldžić 1, Nikolić 6, Klobučar 6, Z.Dragić, Grušovnik 4 , Vidmar 20, Čigoja, Begić 15)

Geoplin Slovan-Turow Zgorzelec 68-61 (Preldžić 16, Nikolić 9, Klobučar 16, Z.Dragić 2, Bilič, Grušovnik, Vidmar 15, Čigoja 2, Begić 8)

Zlatorog Laško-Helios Domžale 70-90 (Dončič 9, Janža 8, Zalokar 11, Troha 9, Krejič 10, Pavič 22, Ambrož, Zagorc 7, Korošec, Močnik 4, Lashkevich 10.)

Elektra Esotech-Helios Domžale 55-87 (Pavič 18 (1/3), Dončić 16 (4/4), Močnik 15 (3/4), Krejič 9 (4/5), Janža 7, Troha 7, Laškevič 7 (1/1), Zalokar 5 (1/3), Zagorc 2 (2/2), Ambrož 1 (1/2), Korošec, Bajramlić)

Buducnost-Partizan 70-66 (Mijatovic 14, M.Pekovic 12, Pavlovic 11 - Tepic 15, Perovic 15, Velickovic 10, N.Pekovic 10).

Vojvodina-Bosna 89-80 ( - Ciric 18, Gilbert 12, Lewis 12).

Crvena zvezda-PAOK 91-79
Tournament in Sostanj (SLO) - finals: Elektra-Helios 55-87 (Cmer 11, Jersin 10, Rucigaj 10 - Pavic 18, Doncic 16, Mocnik 15).

elaj
09-11-2006, 02:41 PM
Buducnost-Partizan 56-58.
FMP-Borac Cacak 90-68 (Labovic 15, Todorovic 13, Krstovic 12)

Joško Poljak Fan
09-11-2006, 06:08 PM
coming from some fans, Vujanić will not sign for Partizan since the club management claims they don't need any aditional PG, and they're only looking for a power forward now :confused:
Unless that PF is irrationaly good, Partizan will again be wasting their old (=old-old) reputation in euroleague, giving all their effort in adriatic league again....

Buducnost PG
09-11-2006, 07:04 PM
Buducnost-Partizan 56-58
Partizan: Tepić 14, Bogdanović, Tapušković, Kecman 4, Bakić 9, Borovnjak 4, Veličković 10, Perović 4, Peković 13, Đurković.

Markoishvili
09-12-2006, 02:14 PM
Split signed Damjan Rudež from Belgian Oostende and considering there kmust be some money left from Pašalič and Ukič's buyouts I hope they'd finally make a competitive team... Rudež, Perič and Kaštropil should show some improvement this season and if they'd finally play up to their potential Split has a chance to return on european bball map...

Unfortunately that will not be the case for several more years, they are main candidates to finish last in Goodyear league.

This American PG Curtis Stinson is nothing exceptional, he is ok.
Hrvoje Peric is long and versatile offensive player, but someone needs to tell him to play defense. Franko Kastropil has showed some new moves in preparation games so far, and he might take step ahead, but his low basketball IQ will limit him to achieve significant career. Mateo Kedzo has one of softest shooting touches in Europe, but he is too fat, too slow and cannot get off the floor to save his life. The team also lacks depth, Rudez has perfect body for SF, but he is very inconsistent, still should return on NBA radar with increased playing time. Ivan Siriscevic is young talented shooter and might become solid Euroleague player with time.

Gaurina, Lozancic, Car sucks, and juniors doesn`t seem as talented as previous years. Last generation of Ukic, Pasalic, Rancic....didn`t produce big results, and they were significantly more talented then this squad.

Buducnost PG
09-12-2006, 09:11 PM
FMP Belgrade-Lokomotiv Rostov 76-83
( Erceg sa 21, Rašić sa 12, Krstović sa 11 i Labović sa 10 poena.)

Dusko Savanovic broke his nose in this game and it is unclear how long he will be out of court.

Red Star Belgrade-Panelinios 71-67
(Milan Gurović 14 , Pero Antić 12 ,Petar Popović 11)

Buducnost PG
09-13-2006, 12:09 PM
Hemofarm Vrsac-Dynamo Moscow 102-88
(Bakic&Rakic 18, Joksimovic 17, Topic 13, Vukosavljevic 10 - Chatman 24, Popvic 13)

I am a little bit suprised about the good games from Vrsac so far. Especially about Rakic and Bakic. For a few days or a week Rakic had an 21 point game and now 18 points against a strong team like Dynamo. Also Bakic which missed the whole last season due injury plays well.

elaj
09-16-2006, 09:34 AM
Tournament at Vrsac - finals: Hemofarm-FMP 88-83 (Milenko Topic (204-F-69) 18 - MVP, Suput 17, Joksimovic 13 - Erceg 22, Djerasimovic 16, Krstovic 14); for 3rd place: Siroki-Dynamo Moscow 78-82 (Stringer 20, Sola 15, Opacak 13 - Raicevic 22, Chatman 15, Trushkin 13).

Tournament at Germany: Partizan-Rheinenergie Koeln 95-93 OT (Tripkovic 24, Bogdanovic 19, Pekovic 14 - Burrell 20, Mallet 17, Faison 17).

Tournament at Zagreb: Geoplin Slovan-Lokomotiv Novosybirsk 69-71 (Begic 16, Preldzic 13, Nikolic 10 - Varlamov 10, Pronin 10), Split-Cedevita 78-68 (Stinson 22+7 rbs+7as).

Tournament in Tuzla:
Sloboda-Bosna 85-79
Zlatorog : Vojvodina 95:96 (75:76, 49:57, 21:30)

Tournament in Angers:
Cibona - Cholet 93-73 (Vedran Morovic (183-G-83, college: Olney CC) 19, Mance 15, Warren 15 - Edwards 19, Richardson 19).

Tournament in Vrsac:
Hemofarm - Siroki 101-88 (Borisov 14, Vukosavljevic 14, Bakic 13 - Opacak 30, Barac 13), FMP-Dinamo Moscow 86-74 (Labovic 14, Pantic 11, Erceg 10)..

Hemofarm - FMP 88-83 (Savović 2, M. Marković 3, Joksimović 13, Šuput 17, S. Marković 9, Rakić 6, Marjanović 2, Radinović 6, Topić 18 - Teodosić 5, Đerasimović 16, Erceg 22, Žigeranović 2, Labović 2, Popović 3, Krstović 14, Mitić 4, Rašić 10, Samardžiski 5)

Široki Eronet - Dynamo Moscow 78-82 (Vujanović, Opačak 13, Barać 9, Šakota, Štemberger 10, Lovrić, Striger 20, Ramljak 3, Šola 15, Špralja 8)

Himki - Helios Domžale 91-86 (Dončič 25 (10/12), Janža 15 (4/4), Laskevič 12 (4/6), Krejič 10 (2/2), Pavič 10 (6/7), Troha 7 (2/2), Močnik 4 (3/4), Bajramlić 2 (2/2), Zagorc 2, Ambrož, Žerak, Korošec)

Helios Domžale - Bot Turow Zgorzelec 75-80 (Pavič 19 (6/6), Močnik 13 (5/6), Dončić 12 (6/7), Laskevič 11 (1/1), Troha 8, Krejič 6 (2/2), Janža 3 (3/4), Zagorc 2, Bajramlić 2, Zalokar, Ambrož, Korošec.)

Helios Domžale - Bot Turow Zgorzelec 73-75 (Laškevič 17 (5/6), Janža 10 (4/4), Troha 10 (1/2), Pavič 8 (2/2), Dončić 8 (5/6), Močnik 6 (1/2), Zagorc 5, Zalokar 4, Ambrož, Bajramlić, Korošec.)

Joško Poljak Fan
09-16-2006, 09:36 AM
eventhough those are preparation games and they're not even complete yet Dynamo Moscow showed a surprisingly low level playing against adriatic league teams...

DZK
09-16-2006, 11:55 AM
eventhough those are preparation games and they're not even complete yet Dynamo Moscow showed a surprisingly low level playing against adriatic league teams...

When does the russian league start?

Euroleague is more than a month away so they are probably taking it easy to peak the form for end of October...waiting for NT players and for those playing at WC to recover?...Papadopoulos, Hansen, Monya, Fotsis?...Popovic is probably recovering?

Don't know...just asking.

woma
09-16-2006, 03:57 PM
Unfortunately that will not be the case for several more years, they are main candidates to finish last in Goodyear league.
This American PG Curtis Stinson is nothing exceptional, he is ok.

Is Stinson official there? I somehow missed it, even if I've heard that he is considered by Split. I would say that for a Split team, which doesn't look for me like a team with big money; he can be pretty good.

Picek
09-16-2006, 04:41 PM
Is Stinson official there? I somehow missed it, even if I've heard that he is considered by Split. I would say that for a Split team, which doesn't look for me like a team with big money; he can be pretty good.
yes, he is in Split...
he had a terrible first two games, but yesterday he was great with 22 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists.

Joško Poljak Fan
09-17-2006, 08:22 AM
from goodyear renamed to NLB league, with a new sponsor that signed for the next 5 years


Split-Lokomotiv Novosybirsk 77-68
Kastropil 19, Rudez 17

for 3rd place: Geoplin Slovan-Cedevita 82-87
Preldzic 21, Latham 13, Jevdic 12 - Dundovic 17, Milacic 15, Milisa 12

Tournament at Germany:
Partizan-Bamberg 67-78
Tripkovic 24, Perovic 19, Velickovic 10 - Wesson 18, Harrington 11, Ensminger 10

Tournament at Gradež:
Zadar-Snaidero 69-70
Orsulic 15, English 12, Stipcevic 11

Zadar-Livorno 78-76
English 18, Orsulic 17, Vladovic 12 - Rowe 16, Daniels 13, Fantoni 11

Tournament at Tuzla:
Bosna-Zlatorog 68-62
Nuhanovic 13, Stojakovic 10

Zagreb-Kvarner 80-68
Simon 21, Nesovic 16, Tomic 13 - Grbesic 25, Maric 13

Krka-Helios 77-103
Soldo 14, Jovanovic 10 - Lashkevich 24, Doncic 22, Troha 13

Picek
09-17-2006, 05:44 PM
KK Bosna signed Jose Jaime Lloreda
last year he played for Lokomotiv Rostov
http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_f43ulKJBGLcVnbH-aqLVu2.teamID_4661.compID_BYg5Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2006.roundID_4588.playerID_5119 9.html

Buducnost PG
09-17-2006, 06:16 PM
KK Bosna signed Jose Jaime Lloreda
last year he played for Lokomotiv Rostov
http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_f43ulKJBGLcVnbH-aqLVu2.teamID_4661.compID_BYg5Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2006.roundID_4588.playerID_5119 9.html

Seem to be a good player especially for a team like Bosna.

Joško Poljak Fan
09-17-2006, 06:48 PM
reading comments from people with more knowledge about NCAA bball, their opinion about Lloreda was that if it wasn't for his headcases he'd be in NBA right now.
The things I've heard about him so far, he is an excelent signing for Bosna actually- should be rather expensive one as well, which surprises me, since I thought Bosna has some debts from the past seasons to repay this year... but almost every club in NLB league does anyway...

Picek
09-17-2006, 08:17 PM
reading comments from people with more knowledge about NCAA bball, their opinion about Lloreda was that if it wasn't for his headcases he'd be in NBA right now.
The things I've heard about him so far, he is an excelent signing for Bosna actually- should be rather expensive one as well, which surprises me, since I thought Bosna has some debts from the past seasons to repay this year... but almost every club in NLB league does anyway...
he played for LSU, I didn't know that...
It looks like they like players like Lloreda there, 'cause Glen "Big Baby" Davis is the same height like Lloreda and he also knows how to control rebounds...
well it will be nice to watch Lloreda play in NLB league...
altough I must say he had a lousy tournament in Japan, but the whole team Panama was lousy..

KK_Bosna
09-17-2006, 10:55 PM
he played for LSU, I didn't know that...
It looks like they like players like Lloreda there, 'cause Glen "Big Baby" Davis is the same height like Lloreda and he also knows how to control rebounds...
well it will be nice to watch Lloreda play in NLB league...
altough I must say he had a lousy tournament in Japan, but the whole team Panama was lousy..heh, i registered here to ask someone about that lloreda guy :)


i wouldnt say he had a bad tournament. he collected 5 rebs against gasol and garbajosa in 20 minutes :p

Joško Poljak Fan
09-18-2006, 11:08 AM
I think he definately must be an upgrade on Lance Williams.
But in my opinion Bosna must get someone to replace Marković he was the crucial Bosna's player in the last 2 seasons

KK_Bosna
09-18-2006, 11:38 AM
I think he definately must be an upgrade on Lance Williams.
But in my opinion Bosna must get someone to replace Marković he was the crucial Bosna's player in the last 2 seasonsbosna found one.

clarence gilbert. sherp shooter really :D

woma
09-18-2006, 01:37 PM
Jaime Lloreda - for sure he is a better player than Lance Williams, he is very active inside, has some good moves, find a lot of ways to score and will get a lot of rebounds. But he is headcase of headcases - in all european clubs where he did play earlier, he had a fights with his teammates, and from what I've remember it happened also during Panama NT preparations. So he will be very good... until Bosna coach will get rid of him...
And Clarence Gilbert should fit very well as Nenad Markovic replacement, he is really a very good shooter... He should make a good duo with more athletic Andrija Cirić on 2-3 positions...

Picek
09-19-2006, 08:22 AM
Otis Hill will sign a contract with Split in the next couple of days...
anyone knows more about him?
last year he played in Israel for Ironi Nahariya, a year before he was named as MVP of the polish league..

PHILIPeurobasket
09-19-2006, 08:33 AM
Otis Hill will sign a contract with Split in the next couple of days...
anyone knows more about him?
last year he played in Israel for Ironi Nahariya, a year before he was named as MVP of the polish league..

Yes, Otis Hill play in Polish league, and was named MVP of regular season. He is great center! If he will sign contract with Split - I know that he will be a key player in this team :)

Btw-> I read on one site that Otis will play in Israel ... In Nahariya :confused:

http://foto.e-basket.pl/photos/inne/04_05/sparingi/turow_polonia/04.jpg

Manu Ginobili
09-19-2006, 02:34 PM
Pipe Lifa Tournament at Debreceni: Buducnost-Igokea 87-95 (Nenad Mijatovic (195-G-87) 22, Pavkovic 18, Micov 14 - Stefanovic 27, Tosic 21, Cup 16), Buducnost-Mlekarna Kunin 110-88 (Nenad Mijatovic (195-G-87) 23, Micov 19, Pekovic 16 - Reinberger 21, Opatovsky 17, Laco 17), Buducnost-Debreceni 80-61 (Pavkovic 19, Nenad Mijatovic (195-G-87) 14, Maras 13 -
Mirkovic 24, Skornik 12, Toth 9
Looks like Nenad Mijatovic will be a key player in Buducnost this year.He made some great performances already.
about Hill,he is realy good in the offensive side,having a nice post game and nice moves.strong built with soft hands.
In defense he is realy annoying.He is a bit lazy and too slow.dont like to defend very much.He has a big problem with his fouls.Here in Naharya he finished almost every game with five fouls and less game minutes because of this problem.

Joško Poljak Fan
09-19-2006, 02:46 PM
Young players from Bodučnost will get a lot of exposure this year.
But the player I'm intrigued the most is Pavković- I heard a lot of positive opinions about him when he was playing in 1st S&M league. I suppose he is the next anonimous player from that area that'll make a good european career.

BodučnostPG, what do you think about the team?

Buducnost PG
09-19-2006, 03:47 PM
Zvezda-Panthinaikos Athen 93:80 (28:17, 23:21, 18:22, 24:20)

Crvena zvezda: Milošević 2, Marković, Popović 13, Kovač 3, Thomas 12, Mišanović 2, Gurović 20, Vitkovac 5, Radivojević 7, Dragićević 8, Antić 8, Krasnić.

Panatinaikos: Diamantidis 10, Delk 11, Hatzivretas 9, Tomašević 19, Bećirovic 15, Šakota 3, Alvertis 6, Dikoudis 12, Batiste 8, Javtokas, Papanikolau.

PAO get a great start in the game and so get a 17-4 lead. Then in the start of the 3. quarter Zvezda made a 22-4 run and after 27min the socre was 60-55. At this moment Sakota put Gurovic and Popovic out of the game to give Misanovic and Dragicevic playing time and so at the end they lose by 13 points.

BD have a a lot of youngsters which suprised whol serbia&montenegro last year when they reach the 1/2 final in serbina league and only lose to Partizan in Podgorica and we played the end of the serbian league (when the Adriatic clubs begin to play serbian league) without our main center Vranes. I think that the team will fight for 8-10 place in the NLB and that they will be a hard opponent for every team, especially when they play in Podgorica. And Pavkovic is a nice PG a true Pointguard with good passing and also good shooting for a PG. I was very suprised that we were able to keep him this summer. But the NLB will be a great experience for BD and that is what these youngsters need. Players to watch from this team are Mijatovic (he has pg skills but he likes to score and often take to many bad shots) but we are talking about a 19 year old boy so thats quite normal. I am also very high on Vladimir Micov. He has gone through the school of Zvezda and played a good season last year and i hope that he will continue with good games. Then we have Dasic, perhaps one of the best european PF in his age. He is only 18 and so he will not shine next season, but the most importet thing is that he devolop his game. And he has hardly to work on his Freethrows. Also Pavkovic, Maras and Vranes a interesting players from this BD team. Maras had a good season last year, but he seems to be a softy and in some moments of the game he lose all his concentration. Vranes is a big C with 229cm and a block machine unter the rim. He is by far not a perfect C, but he have become a better player last year and I hope he will do that also this year.

PHILIPeurobasket
09-19-2006, 06:49 PM
Otis Hill in Split!
Otis Hill signed for Split. Hill played last season for Hapoel Ironi Naharya where he averaged 17ppg, 5.8rpg and 1.6spg in Israeli Premier League.
By Eurobasket.com

Great transfer for Split :) !!!

Picek
09-19-2006, 09:30 PM
Zadar - Lokomotiv Sibirtelekom 101:84 (29:25, 30:14, 22:23, 20:22)
Zadar: Anzulović 11 (4as), Vladović 5, Stipčević, Barać 10, Johnson 11, English 25, Filipović 2, Oršulić 2, Čolak 18 (6sk), Lalić 17, Đugum.

Manu Ginobili
09-20-2006, 07:47 AM
Serbian guys-I can't find the name of Milos Teodosic in any team roster right now.Where should he play next season?
I didnt heard from him since the U-18 last year(he left nice impression there),he didnt played the U-20 in the summer(injury?).
Whats the story about him?

Buducnost PG
09-20-2006, 03:54 PM
Serbian guys-I can't find the name of Milos Teodosic in any team roster right now.Where should he play next season?
I didnt heard from him since the U-18 last year(he left nice impression there),he didnt played the U-20 in the summer(injury?).
Whats the story about him?

Last year he played with Borac Cacak (it is like a farmteam from FMP Belgrade) and this year he is on the Roster from FMP. Vasic and Marinovic from FMP are gone and so i think that he will play for FMP this season. He was not at the U20 beacuse the coach cut him at the last day.

Markoishvili
09-22-2006, 09:24 AM
Adriatic league getting a place in Euroleague for next season...best team outside of Olimpija, Cibona and Serbian Champion will get a Euroleague berth....that`s a chance for Dino Radja to invest some money and return Split on European map.


I. PRAVO IGRANJA U EUROLIGI, ULEB CUPU I NLB LIGI U SEZONI 2007/08

Pravo igranja u Euroligi

* Klub koji po završetku takmičenja NLB lige sezone 2006/07 zauzme prvo (1) mjesto ostvariti će pravo igranja u Euroligi u sezoni 2007/08.

* U slučaju da je jedna od ekipa na osnovu drugih kriterija (garantirani trogodišnji status koji imaju KK "Cibona", KK "Union Olimpija" ili prvak Srbije) ostvarila pravo igranja u Euroligi u sezoni 2007/08, a to pravo ostvari i temeljem plasmana u NLB ligi, pravo igranja u Euroligi sezone 2007/08 iz NLB lige ostvarit će najbolje plasirani klub temeljem konačnog poretka klubova u NLB ligi u sezoni 2006/07.

Picek
09-22-2006, 12:22 PM
Adriatic league getting a place in Euroleague for next season...best team outside of Olimpija, Cibona and Serbian Champion will get a Euroleague berth....that`s a chance for Dino Radja to invest some money and return Split on European map.
altough they did add that to their rules of competition it is still far away from realisation because FIBA and ULEB still didn't made a decision of eurolague expansion..

elaj
09-22-2006, 09:04 PM
Partizan-Tofas 84-60 (Pekovic 17, Bogdanovic 13, Perovic 13 - Onver 11, Brokenborough 9),

Bosna-Akasvayu Girona 102-104 OT.

Buducnost-Igokea 68-64 (Pavkovic 14, Micov 14, M.Pekovic 9, Vranes 9 - Stefanovic 23, Tosic 13, Dasic 9).

Helios-Efes Pilsen 85-90 (Pavic 22, Doncic 17, Mocnik 12 - Akyol 26, Nicholas 18, Jenkins 15)

Helios-Olympiacos 72-75 (Pavic 17, Troha 14, Mocnik 9 - Acker 16, Papamakarios 14, Schortsianitis 12).

woma
09-22-2006, 09:14 PM
Otis Hill will sign a contract with Split in the next couple of days...
anyone knows more about him?
last year he played in Israel for Ironi Nahariya, a year before he was named as MVP of the polish league..
Otis Hill is phenomenally skilled offensive player (his footwork is amazing, unless as his low post moves, and timing around the rim), but I don't know how he will adjust to Adriatic League team - he doesn't like to work hard on practices (he is good person and is a coachable guy, he just knows what his body can take) and he doesn't play any defense, being somehow able to still pick up stupid fouls. But for me Stinson&Hill duo looks much better I've could expect from Split...

Buducnost PG
09-22-2006, 09:30 PM
Partizan – Tofaš 84:60 (24:17, 15:16, 21:15, 24:12)

Partizan: Tepić 7, Bogdanović 13, Kecman 8, Bakić 6, Borovnjak, Tripković 4, Veličković 10, Perović 13, Peković 17, Drobnjak 6, Božić, Kamings.

Here all socres from Partizan players. Velickovic again with 10 points. He is scoring around 8-10 points in every preperation game so far and that suprise me. But how good is Tofas? Dragan Todorovic Partizan managar said that they are on the level with Besiktas. Is that right?

woma
09-22-2006, 09:36 PM
If he was thinking about Besiktas Ankara or Besiktas Karsiyaka, he was right. But if he was comparing Tofas to Besiktas Stambul, then no :).

elaj
09-23-2006, 11:12 AM
Cibona Zagreb - Climamio Bologna 106-99 OT (Kus 17, Mance 16, Krasic 16 - Belinelli 31).

Split - Zadar 72-89 (Kastropil 17, Gaurina, Stinson, Lozancic, Peric 8 - English 25, Johnson 17, Lailic 15).

Buducnost PG
09-23-2006, 06:15 PM
Partizan – Bosna 92:87 (27:22, 21:18, 25:27, 19:20)

Partizan: Tepić 7, Bogdanović 2, Kecman 9, Bakić 6, Borovnjak 4, Tripković 13, Veličković 10, Perović 23, Peković 2, Drobnjak 16, Božić, Kamings.

Bosna: Gilbert 21, Vasiljević 8, Sokolov 1, Nikolić 4, Ćirić 10, Bavčić 19, Lloreda 9, Zimić 2, Đedović 2, Suljagić, Garma 6, Šehović 3.

The C/PF line from Partizan again dominate the game as against Tofas. Perovic with a great game to his 23 points he pull down 9rebounds and get 4 steals and play good defense. Drobnjak was also good on both ends of the floor and Velickovic again get his 10 points. I hope he will have a good season. Pekovic only with two points, but he get injured in the first quarter and never come back, but it is not a difficult injury so that Todorovic said that he most likely will be fit for the start of the season. Cummings is searching for his from now and it will take 2-3 weeks, when he will be on 100%. Tripkovic and Tepic also with good games.

ziv
09-23-2006, 06:31 PM
does drobnjak look in shape? i mean not atm, generally, does he look ok? how does vojusovic(?) play him as pf alongside perovic or as c? cause i remeber drobnjak filling real comfortable to play the 4 in efes and taking the mid-range jumpers (from around the ft line).

KK_Bosna
09-23-2006, 09:49 PM
does drobnjak look in shape? i mean not atm, generally, does he look ok? how does vojusovic(?) play him as pf alongside perovic or as c? cause i remeber drobnjak filling real comfortable to play the 4 in efes and taking the mid-range jumpers (from around the ft line).

vujosevic :) is the name of partizan coach. i follow live this tournament, so i cen telll you a lot about these four clubs :)

drobnjak is playing PF alongside perovic, and he is doing it really good. of course, he didnt adjustet to partizan's style of play because he is with them for just one week, but IMO he is much better player than dejan milojevic.


and tofas is really really WEAK ! girona tonight played without marc gasol and they humilliated tofas!

ziv
09-24-2006, 06:55 AM
the thing with milojevic is that he was a true franchise player who posses all-around skills. he just does every thing, post-up, face-up, shoot, score, rebound, everything and in a team like partizan (or budcnost before) this is real valuebale. drobnjak does fewer things, he does'em better but he's just not the all-arounder dejan was and i doubt him being a franchise-player as the other was.
btw - how's your team doing?

Buducnost PG
09-24-2006, 07:15 AM
Buducnost Podgorica-Pivovarna Lasko (in Lasko) 61-55 (20:12, 12:10, 19:18, 10:15)

BD best Scorers: Micov 13, Maras&Rakocevic 12

Armani Jeans Milano - Crvena Zvezda 75:78 (22:18, 11:19, 19:23, 23:18)

Armani: Schultze 11, Calabria 11, Galinari (88) 10, Blair 10

Crvena Zvezda: Stefanov 11, Milošević, Marković, Popović 13, Kovač 8, Thomas 18, Mišanović 4, Gurović 12, Vitkovac 2, Radivojević, Dragićević 7, Antić 3.

About Partizan and Drobnjak. He is not full in shape now and for that he played good games against Tofas and Bosna. I haven´t the chance to watch the games from Germany but a friend told me that Drobnjak against Tofas only play 12 minutes and put in 6 points, 4rebounds and 1 assist without missing a shoot. He doesn´t start in the first game. The starting five in the first game was

PG Tepic
SG Tripkovic
SF Kecman
PF Velickovic
C Perovic

But Drobnjak will play at PF and Velickovic will be his backup. But it could also happen that Velickovic starts the first games of the season and Drobnjak come of the bench. Tepic is starting at PF because as I wrote in my other post Cummings is not in shape and will need 2-3 weeks to could help the team.

Joško Poljak Fan
09-24-2006, 08:13 AM
FMP-Kraftwerk Wels 70-86
Krstovic 17, Labovic 15 - Bobb 31, Platt 19

Split-Zadar 77-98
Peric 19, Stinson 17, Kastropil 14 - English 31, Orsulic 17, Gecevski 15

Union Olimpija-Efes Pilsen 68-72
closed match

Picek
09-24-2006, 09:09 AM
FMP-Kraftwerk Wels 70-86
Krstovic 17, Labovic 15 - Bobb 31, Platt 19
wtf? :confused:

kraftwerk wels is a club from Austria, right?

Buducnost PG
09-24-2006, 09:24 AM
wtf? :confused:

kraftwerk wels is a club from Austria, right?

Yes it is. But FMP has problems so far and it will be a hard season for them. Two main players Cvetkovic and Savanovic were not playing at the moment becuase of injury and then FMP has a big problem at the PG spot after Marinovic and Vasic left the club. With healthy Savanovic and Cvetkovic the team will be stronger, but for the begining of the season it doesn´t look good.

Joško Poljak Fan
09-24-2006, 10:14 AM
Marinović is showing some nice games with Girona, he is playing better than I expected and will obviously be a big loss for Železnik...
Železnik has been doing miracles with players production for the past few season, the sad fact is that they'll keep loosing their players as soon as they become productive, so Železnik with this philosophy will never become a good team they could.

About Drobnjak- I doubt Drobnjak can play as clutch as Miloje did. I remember that everytime it became decisive Miloje stepped in and scored, rebounded, forced fouls and reparing the mistakes partizan's kids did.
Drobnjak might get some good statistics, but imho he won't have the same positive effect on Partizan that Miloje had. I think some of Partizan's youngsters should finally explode... otherwise things will look really bad for them in euroleague as they'll mostlikely focus on adriatic league just as last season...


After the preseason is almost over now, I'd dare to say that the level of Adriatic league will overall be higher this season than in the past 2 years.

Buducnost PG
09-24-2006, 07:16 PM
Partizan – Girona 91:87 (29:24, 25:27, 22:13, 15:23)

Partizan: Tepić 7, Bogdanović 4, Kecman 7, Bakić 2, Borovnjak, Tripković 18, Veličković 2, Perović 22, Đurković, Drobnjak 19, Kamings 10.

Đirona: Bagarić 6, Fućka 10, Salenga 18, McDonald 15, Gabriel 7, San Emetrio 5, Marinović 26, Midelton.

Partizan again with a good game. They lead the wohle time and in the thrid quarter they had a 16 point lead but Girona was able to come back and to tie the game but Partizan was better in the finish. After the good game yesterday from Tripkovic, Perovic and Drobnjak they played again good today. Kecman was again solid as the wohle time during preperation and also Tepic is showing good games for that that he is a new player and starts as PG for Paritzan.

Perovic was named MVP and Marinovic was the best scorer of the tournament. I hope Marinovic will become a very good player in Spain and the will also be able to help the NT of Serbia. He is playing great so far.

Hemofarm – Asesoft 88:54 (24:15, 21:15, 14:14, 29:10)

Hemofarm: Savović, Arnautović, M. Marković 6, Joksimović 2, Šuput 11, S. Marković 12, Rakić 15, Marjanović, Radinović 3, Topić 6, Borisov 18, Jereminov, Vukosavljević 15

Asesoft: Zarić 4, Eliot 15, Sjatro 6, Dodok, Darijus 18, Hartman, Miloš Živanović 6 (6–4), Paul, Mitar Živanović 1, Karucašu 4, Tokaru.

Picek
09-25-2006, 07:23 AM
played in Slovenia:
Budućnost - Zagreb 70-73

Buducnost PG
09-25-2006, 07:51 PM
FMP Belgrade-Besiktas Istanbul (played in Vienna)

Teodosić 3, Đerasimović 6, Erceg 17, Žigeranović 2, Labović 15, Popović 10, Krstović 3, Mićić 3, Pantić 7, Todorović 5, Rašić 7, Samardžiski 5.

It seems like Erceg and Labovic were the main players of FMP with the absence from Cvetkovic and Savanovic. As i said FMP will have some problems at the begining of the season and so they must try to win as many games as possible and then later when Cvetkovic, Savanoivc and also Jorovic join the team to start up. But to reach one of the first four places will be very difficult for them this season.

Picek
09-26-2006, 06:36 AM
FMP Belgrade-Besiktas Istanbul (played in Vienna)

Teodosić 3, Đerasimović 6, Erceg 17, Žigeranović 2, Labović 15, Popović 10, Krstović 3, Mićić 3, Pantić 7, Todorović 5, Rašić 7, Samardžiski 5.

It seems like Erceg and Labovic were the main players of FMP with the absence from Cvetkovic and Savanovic. As i said FMP will have some problems at the begining of the season and so they must try to win as many games as possible and then later when Cvetkovic, Savanoivc and also Jorovic join the team to start up. But to reach one of the first four places will be very difficult for them this season.how long will they be out? Cvetković, Savanović and Jorović?

Buducnost PG
09-26-2006, 04:06 PM
how long will they be out? Cvetković, Savanović and Jorović?

Savanovic broked his nose before 2 weeks as i know and a serbian site worte thaht he will be out for 3-4 weeks. Jorovic will miss most of the begining of the season. As i know he will not be ready before December. And about Cvetkovic i have no idea, but it is a difficult injury by him, becuase he get this injury in the preperation with the NT. I will try to find out how long he will be out of action.

Buducnost PG
09-28-2006, 03:53 PM
Odds from bawin.com for the NLB

In my opinion there are some nice odds. I like 1.60 for Zadar and 1.30 for Partizan. I think i will make a combo out of this two. Hemofarm with a lot of young players will not have a real chance in Pionir against Partizan. 1.60 for Zadar which is playing good games so far and especially with English have a great player is value against a team like Siroki which is struggeling and i think be at the end of the table (11-14) after the season.


Partizan Mobtel 1.30

Hemofarm 3.20

Siroki Eronet 2.20

KK Zadar 1.60

FMP 2.10

Roter Stern Belgrad 1.65

KK Split 1.85

Bosna Asa 1.85

Zagreb 1.40

Helios Domžale 2.70

KK Slovan 2.40

Olimpija Ljubljana 1.50

KK Budućnost 2.20

Cibona 1.60

What do you all think? 1.60 and 1.65 on Cibona and Zvezda are also nice, but i can´t bet against BD:D and FMP playes at home and have a talented roster, so if these guys catch fire they will be also able to beat Zvezda also without Cvetkovic and Savanovic.

Joško Poljak Fan
09-28-2006, 04:08 PM
Zagreb 1.4 and Helios 2.7? that seems a bit harsh to me, since Helios had some great preparation games and I wouldn't say they'd deserve 2.7 vs. Zagreb...

Olimpija has tons of troubles with injuries, depending on the roster, but Slovan could actually surprise if 7 (or even more) players would be unable to play.

Buducnost PG
09-30-2006, 06:45 PM
What an wonderful start for Partizan in the new NLB-Season. A fantastic 80-49 win against an very nervously playing Hemofarm. But Partizan played great Defense and beat Vrsac in every catagory. Perovic with a great game and also Tepic looked good. Every player get his minutes and now Partizan will do everything to win in Zagreb against Cibona on Thursday. I think that will be an fantastic game.

And FMP beat Zvezda in a dramatic game with 95-94 after OT. Savanovic with a great game 26/10.

elaj
09-30-2006, 07:09 PM
1. round - NLB ABA League 2006/2007 (click for stats) (http://www.adriaticbasket.com/)

Split CO - Bosna ASA BHT 85:81

FMP - Crvena zvezda 95:94 (ot)

Zagreb - Helios Domžale 78:63

Geoplin Slovan - Union Olimpija 71:75

Budućnost - Cibona 68:77

Partizan - Hemofarm 80:49

Široki ERONET - Zadar 88:91

I'm surprised that Helios didn't win. I expected them to win. FMP surprised me too, while Crvena zvezda's dream team with Stefanov, Gurovic, Popovic and others didn't show nothing. Gurovic's 43 points and index 53 means nothing if his team loses. Partizan owned Hemofarm, what I didn't expected, atleast not with such difference. Other is expected.

Joško Poljak Fan
09-30-2006, 07:18 PM
Gurović with 43 points and with 53 index rating :eek:

Helios probably choked or something, I really didn't expect them to have such a bad game against Zagreb, while they were reportedly playing very well vs. Olympiacos and Efes...

I'm still sceptical about Perović, I still think he'll never become more than just a "usefull player"...

Buducnost PG
09-30-2006, 08:34 PM
We lost 77-68 to Cibona but were on one level with them for 36min but then Kus killed us with three 3-pointers in the row. He missed only one shot from the field and Brandley Wright get all his shots down. These two guys with Marin Rozic were very strong toady. But BD could have win the game today too, if they didn´t make 20 TO what is very huge and shot only 58% from the FT-Linie. Micov which socred good made 6 TO which is very much and he didn´t do this often. Also Vranes with 5 TO so they two get more then the half of our TO. Mijatovic again with some quick fouls and so limited playing time, but when he was in the game he looked OK. Also Dasic had some nice actions and for such a young guy against an strong opponent like Cibona it was a good game. Pavkoivc with a good game as usual, but Maras was very bad today. He has to play better in the future. As i said BD played good and showed that they will be an hard opponent for everyone who is coming to Podgorica, but with some more concentration also a win was possible today. And BD will play against another EL-Team in Ljubljana against Olimpija. That will be again a tough challenge and most likely the second lost. But if they are able to play like today then i will be statisfied.

ziv
09-30-2006, 08:59 PM
i see the slovenians are ignoring the "tougher than excpected" win at the derby (well, they're probably disscusing it in their own forum...).
even before that loss versac seemed real weak this season, it's a pitty that two time in a row uleb-cup semi-finalist won't be as strong this season. they lost 2 very good americans and they found no replacment and as i said - it's a pity (well, pavicevic did some fine job there himself and him stepping down was also bad for the team).

Joško Poljak Fan
10-01-2006, 07:07 AM
i see the slovenians are ignoring the "tougher than excpected" win at the derby (well, they're probably disscusing it in their own forum...).
not really, I said some words in Slovenia's forum:
It's not exactly tougher than expected but I'd say most of the people expected result like this and Olimpija fans are actually happy with the win, since it wasn't clear if Jurkovič, Arslan and Ožbolt would be playing in this game (Jurkovič and Arslan reportedly played eventhough the're not 100%healthy, it might be the same case with Ožbolt) that's our 3 best players that combined for 37 points and 14 rebounds, while Kuzminskas, Milič and Ranniko haven't recovered fast enough. so when actually 6 players of the main core of the team are questionable and practically without practicing together seriously nobody knows what to think of a team- especially in the begining of the season.

On the other hand Slovan is built out of 4 outstanding talents (Begić, Klobučar, Preldžić, Vidmar), Jamaican (Chaz Carr), USncaa'r (Maurice Latham), + Paravinja and Jevdžić... they'll mostlikely suffer in adriatic league due to developing their youngsters (if they'd keep Dragič and Zupan, I believe they'd be in the better half of the league though), but I think they're still able to surprise some teams. When those youngsters get a little more rutine at this level they'll be good...


I've heard some stuff that Hemofarm was bought by a foreign farmaceutic company- did they close the pipeline for the team?

Buducnost PG
10-01-2006, 08:22 AM
I've heard some stuff that Hemofarm was bought by a foreign farmaceutic company- did they close the pipeline for the team?

Nobody say that they have cut their budget. But they get this season again 900.000$ from the Darko Milicic buyout. The wohle buyout is near 5mio$. They said that they want to give a chance to the youngsters, because they think they have enoguh quality. They also said that there is money to buy a good american if they see that the team struggle. It was the first game against Partizan which is playing good so far and so i wouldn´t make everything bad now. The roster is not so strong as last season but a place under the first 6 in the NLB is a realistic goal.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-01-2006, 07:02 PM
Bosna - Zadar 2

Zadar looks like a much better team than last year on paper, unlike Bosna and both teams seem to have a short bench. If the game vs. Split is really what this years Bosna is capable of, than Zadar should win it without much problems


Hemofarm - Široki 1


Cibona - Partizan 1

first serious test for Partizan this season, still I think that Cibona is able to play a lot better defense and has an overall deeper bench, if Partizan won't be dominating the rbounds it should imo be quite an easy job for Cibona


Olimpija - Budućnost 1

luckily Bodučnost is coming at the right time for us... with as many injured players and without enough practices, Olimpija would mostlikely be a piece of cake for top 4-5 teams in the league right now. While against Bodučnost at least I think they have a fair chance for a win (not that Bodučnost is without any), overall I think that experience of some Olimpija's players should prevail over young Bodučnost players.


Helios - Slovan 1

Helios dissapointed in Zagreb, considering some of the games they showed so far, when some of their fans I talked to expected by far the best season in adriatic league untill now. I just hope it won't end up those 2 teams would be the worst in whole adriatic league, since Slovan is definately not on last years level...


Zvezda - Zagreb 1

I think nobody expects anything else than a clear win for Zvezda.


Split - FMP 1

Split as my 2nd favourite club ever... of course I'm not biased :D

Picek
10-04-2006, 06:29 PM
results of the second round:


Bosna ASA BHT - Zadar 87:76
Hemofarm - Široki ERONET 63:52
Union Olimpija - Budućnost 91:85 (OT)
Helios Domžale - Geoplin Slovan 82:62
Crvena zvezda - Zagreb 79:74
Split CO - FMP 72:81

Cibona - Partizan 82:64 :D
Kus 14, Wright 13+6 rebounds+4 steals, Warren 13+5 rebounds, Morović 10 points etc...

for Partizan Perović 15, Drobnjak 14...

Partizan never had a chance, we were up with 20 or more points for most of the game... it was fun :D

it will be interesting to see what can Olimpija do in Belgrade against Partizan in the next round game...
with Partizan firing Cummings I guess Olimpija can go all the way and win the game..
altough they will have a hard time against Partizan frontcourt line..
especially against Perović who is the best Partizan player at the moment..

woma
10-04-2006, 07:56 PM
Does anybody know what was the reason for firing Cummings?

elaj
10-04-2006, 08:04 PM
Does anybody know what was the reason for firing Cummings?
They weren't really happy with his performance, while he said he isn't satisfied with his role in the team and then they've fired him. :) He was whining about his role in the team after big loss to Cibona in Zagreb. :)

Picek
10-05-2006, 04:51 AM
They weren't really happy with his performance, while he said he isn't satisfied with his role in the team and then they've fired him. :) He was whining about his role in the team after big loss to Cibona in Zagreb. :)he whined even before that game, there were some rumuors that he won't even come to Belgrade to play for Partizan this season...
but he came only few days later then he was supposed to..

Buducnost PG
10-05-2006, 04:11 PM
Cummings is back.:D After a conversation with Vujosevic everything is fine again. Perhpas not so fine as it must be:D , but at first he will stay in Belgrade with Partizan.

About Thursday. Lucky lucky Olimpija against Buducnost. As i said before the team of BD is talented, but the must work on their FW´s and Rebounding. I predict all games right in an german forum were i write always a lot about NLB League. If you don´t believe me look alone. http://basketball.powerweb.de/forum/showthread.php?t=14330&page=11:D

Joško Poljak Fan
10-06-2006, 04:15 PM
3rd round

FMP - Bosna 1

at least seasons so far, Bosna wasn't as strong on the road as in their Mirza Delibašić arena.


Zagreb - Split 2


Slovan - Zvezda 2

Slovan is too young, nevermind if Gurović wouldn't play Slovan's kids should still overperform to beat Zvezda, which btw. hasn't won in Kodeljevo for the past 3 seasons...


Budućnost - Helios 1

Bodućnost got themselves 2nd Sale with Mijatović... i'm impressed


Partizan - Olimpija 2

Olimpija is full of injuries, playing bad right now, but Partizan didn't improve from the past seasons...I want win


Široki - Cibona 2


Zadar - Hemofarm 1

elaj
10-06-2006, 06:15 PM
Geoplin Slovan : Crvena zvezda 63:84 (48:61, 36:43, 21:24)
Carr 17, Begić 9; Popović 17, Gurović 13

Joško Poljak Fan
10-06-2006, 07:38 PM
I think Slovan won't be ready untill the end of the season... and with all their young players they'll be dangerous than... and next year... but untill than, selling away points in adriatic league will continue... so it wouldn't be too unrealistic that Slovenia would end up with only 2 teams in adriatic league next season :rolleyes: ...sadly that's mostlikely going to happen, if I understood the new rules corectly...

Begić 9 points, 8 rebounds, 5 blocks
Preldžić 6 points, 9 rebounds, 6 TO's
Vidmar 3 points, 7 rebounds in 8 minutes


Zvezda probably played at 60-70%... Gurović played for 22 minutes only

Joško Poljak Fan
10-11-2006, 03:33 PM
4. round
Bosna - Hemofarm 76:101
Cibona - Zadar 80:70
Olimpija - Široki 73:67
Partizan - Helios 81:67
Zvezda - Budućnost 95:81
Split - Slovan 85:82
FMP - Zagreb 75:58

standings:
1.Cibona 4 / 0
2.FMP 4 / 0
3.Partizan 3 / 1
4.Crvena zvezda 3 / 1
5.Hemofarm 3 / 1
6.Union Olimpija 3 / 1
7.Zagreb 2 / 2
8.Split CO 2 / 2
9.Helios Domžale 1 / 3
10.Zadar 1 / 3
11.Budućnost 1 / 3
12.Bosna ASA BHT 1 / 3
13.Široki ERONET 0 / 4
14.Geoplin Slovan 0 / 4

some thoughts about the teams so far:
FMP Železnik this season is again surprising the competition with their previous bench players improving. Nevermind that it's still early we can say they're strong and will be even stronger when Cvetković will come back.
This season Erceg, Teodošić and Rašić stepped up to fill the hole after some departure in the offseason... Železnik is a production factory any country would like to have...

Partizan's youngsters showed some improvement, but because of Milojevič's departure the team didn't improve dramatically. they'll still be too soft for euroleague...

Olimpija- lacks of chemistry right now... and definately lacks of a good centerm otherwise top16 can be reached only in imagination. So far they've had big luck winning against easier opponents (Bodučnost, Slovan, Široki) that are expected to end up at the end of the league standings... and even against those team Olimpija was really unconviencable...

Bodučnost... as Elaj said in some other thread Mijatović resembles on Djordjević while Dašić has quite some simmilarities with Gurović... team for the future

Split- I haven't seen Otis Hill play yesterday, but with their youngsters they should end up in the middle of the standings, they'll make life difficult for some quite some higer ranked teams, especially at the end of the season when they'll get used to the level of competition...

Slovan- will/should fire Carr and Latham, since they were supposed to be the engines of this young team, but Carr is failing to organise the game the way he should while Latham was reportedly pretty much unimpressive through all the games. with 2 new players they might settle for some wins, while right now they are undoubtebly the worst team in the league...

Civilis
10-11-2006, 06:30 PM
Železnik is a production factory any country would like to have...

Could you tell me which famous players were "produced" in this factory? :)

Joško Poljak Fan
10-11-2006, 07:04 PM
Could you tell me which famous players were "produced" in this factory? :)
famous :rolleyes:... probably quite some of ex-Yu stars in the ex country- impossible for me to know, since I was too young back than.
while in the 90ies I guess Radmanović is the only "famous" player they've "produced".
Otherwise they're producing some decent players in the last period like in last 3 years:
Marko Marinović (Girona), Nemanja Aleksandrov (Crvena Zvezda), Mile Ilić (NJ Nets), Nikola Vasić (Alicante), Bojan Popović (Dynamo Moscow), Milan Majstorović (somewhere in ACB ?), Branko Jorović (Girona), Ognjen Aškrabić (Dynamo St. Petersburg) + probably some more I forgot... the fact is that they are able to maintain their high level with their own young players even if they're ussually loosing their 2-3 leaders after every season...
this season they'll probably loose Savanović, Krstović and Cvetković to some Russian/Italian/Spanish clubs, but there will be 3 anonimous products of their bball school that'll step up instead of those 3 and FMP will be playing just as good as the season before... same for the next season and the one after that... and so on...

Buducnost PG
10-11-2006, 07:27 PM
FMP Železnik this season is again surprising the competition with their previous bench players improving. Nevermind that it's still early we can say they're strong and will be even stronger when Cvetković will come back.
This season Erceg, Teodošić and Rašić stepped up to fill the hole after some departure in the offseason... Železnik is a production factory any country would like to have...
The players which are the reason that FMP is again strong this season are Bojan Krstovic and Aleksander Rasic. Last season both get around 15min ppg and didn´t play a huge role. But this year they are amazing so far. Savanovic is also good this year and will be gone after this season i think. Erceg is a fine player, but is taking to much 3-Pointers in my opinion. NBA is not a real possibility for him, but if Edin Bavcic of Bosna get drafted he should also get a Chance. He is not a good shooter as Bavcic, but he is a better allrounder. Bavcic is a pure shooter and a bad rebounder for a guy with 210cm. Cvetkovic is back but not at full potencial so far. Perhaps you are thinking about Jorovic. Teodosic is an talented kid and is realy good in drawing fouls. But he has to work a lot on his shoot. All in all FMP has 12 players and Vukoicic is chancing the starting 5 a lot and also get everybod involved. For example yestardey Nemanja Protic started at PG for Rasic. Protic is 20 years old. I thought that FMP couldn´t handle the abscene of Marinovic and Vasic so well and so i was thinking that they will be a little bit weaker. The abscene of Mile Ilic is a non factor, because he never was a huge factor in the game of FMP.


Partizan's youngsters showed some improvement, but because of Milojevič's departure the team didn't improve dramatically. they'll still be too soft for euroleague...


It will be hard in the EL but i would be happy if they can get 4-5 wins. At the moment Partizan is stronger then Olimpija and I see Olimpija with this Frontcourt getting the last place in the Group. Perovic looked good so far and i think he will have a good season. Tripkovic is getting more to the basekt and not only staying at the 3-Pointline as last season. Tepic has to work a lot on his shoot, but all other things are for a 19 year old boy very good. His defense is good, he is passing well for a 202cm player and also playing without a lot of TO. NLB Final, Serbian Champion and 4-5 wins in the EL and i would be statisfied.


Bodučnost... as Elaj said in some other thread Mijatović resembles on Djordjević while Dašić has quite some simmilarities with Gurović... team for the future

Talented team with 3 players (Mijatovic, Dasic and Micov) which can become very good players in Europe. Then we also have Zarko Rakocevic (C/PF) born in 84 and he is also playing good games for now. But the team is definetly missing an bigBody under the rim. An good Center or PF with some experience with Rakocevic and BD would be 15% stronger then now. A player like Otis Hill would be enough.

But what we see again is an serbian domination of the NLB at this moment and it looks like it will never end. I wrote this even before two years when I at first become a member of this site unter the Name Montenegro#1, but then i couldn´t look me in anymore with this name. And then you Matiz wrote that it will end and you wrote this again this season. Serbia is an basketball country and there are so many talented kids out there that with some more money and a better devoloping of the south region around Kraljevo, Nis, Kragujevac etc. Serbia could even brougt out more talents and get stronger teams. Perhaps it will come a season where serbia will not be so strong, but all in all they will be the country with the best ranking for years to come.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-11-2006, 07:55 PM
But what we see again is an serbian domination of the NLB at this moment and it looks like it will never end. I wrote this even before two years when I at first become a member of this site unter the Name Montenegro#1, but then i couldn´t look me in anymore with this name. And then you Matiz wrote that it will end and you wrote this again this season. Serbia is an basketball country and there are so many talented kids out there that with some more money and a better devoloping of the south region around Kraljevo, Nis, Kragujevac etc. Serbia could even brougt out more talents and get stronger teams. Perhaps it will come a season where serbia will not be so strong, but all in all they will be the country with the best ranking for years to come.
I didn't want to underestimate Serbia's potential when it comes to basketball, definately not, when saying serbian domination won't last season after season. (as human as I am, I can be wrong as well :))

it's just that both, slovenian and croatian club basketball are both at the downfall stage for the past 4 seasons and I really thought it would take less time to recover, but still some clubs aren't showing any signs of life unlike I expected...
while both Cibona and Olimpija are both more concentrated in EL than NLB league, they also don't have the same quality as Cibona in 96-00, or Olimpija from 97-03 when being one of the most constant teams in euroleague. Zadar is far from it's 2002 level, or Split with Radja, Zdovc, Sesar days... Krka that was among the best Uleb Cup participant is gone and Laško that was on surprisingly high level for quite a period lost it's financial support during the last 3-4 years... that's why I am saying serbian domination won't be going on from season to season...
While if we get in long term terms of potential, with some financial support Serbia has bigger potential than Croatia, and few times bigger potential than Slovenia (we can be happy if we could keep 2 teams in NLB league in the long term), that's a no brainer if you ask me.
In fact with some financial support, serbian club bball has enormous potential... with increased buyouts Serbia and Croatia will probably profit the most in europe. And as it happened with Miličić and his buyout and some other transactions, with oincreasing this part, bball in ex-Yu will only profit from it... especially Serbia.
I might not support Partizan, but I still support other Serbian clubs and I wish them all the best (as well as Montenegrian Bodučnost of course ;))

Civilis
10-11-2006, 08:09 PM
So it is not that big "star factory" after all :)

In fact, it would be interesting to see what clubs the most famous players today actually matured. E.g. Marko Popovič was raised and matured in Zadar, Dražen "the Great" in Šibenik (before going to Cibona).

In fact, in Lithuania we have very few nowadays well-known players who were "bred" in the main clubs like Zalgiris or Lietuvos rytas.

E.g.
Šarūnas Jasikevičius (originally from Kaunas municipal basketball school, Žalgiris junior team, later Maryland univ., but matured as a player in Olimpia Ljulbljana thanks to Zmago :D )
Arvydas Macijauskas ("Neptūnas" Klaipėda)
Ramūnas Šiškauskas (Kaišiadorys local team, "Sakalai" Vilnius)
Saulius Štombergas (Klaipėda, later "Atletas" Kaunas)
Žydrūnas Ilgauskas ("Atletas" Kaunas)
Darius Songaila (Marijampolė local team, then NCAA)
Eurelijus Žukauskas ("Neptūnas" Klaipėda)
Robertas Javtokas ("BC Šiauliai" Šiauliai)
Mindaugas Žukauskas ("BC Šiauliai" Šiauliai)
Donatas Slanina ("BC Šiauliai" Šiauliai)
Dainius Šalenga ("Sakalai" Vilnius)
Simas Jasaitis ("Sakalai" Vilnius)
etc.etc.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-11-2006, 08:20 PM
Civilis, I am talking about the last 3 years period!
And not stars, but quality bball players, in last 3 years I don't think any european team produced as many as quality players as FMP Železnik did and they've got some good potentials on their roster to keep up with this short tradition....

Buducnost PG
10-11-2006, 08:28 PM
@Matiz

I know that Cibona and Olimpija get better results in the EL in all these years, but the only team which could reach the Final4 after YUG splits was Partizan in 98. But that was all:( . But the war and especially the war against the terrorist of the UCK in Kosovo get us back again after we tried to recover from the wars in BIH and Croatia. In Croatia and Slovenia there is an higher living standart then in serbia and also stronger companies which can get money to the clubs. Serbian club basketball is now on an good way and i hope with a better situation in whole serbia it will get stronger. I also know about Krka and Lasko. But this clubs have not a big tradition like OKK Belgrade for example or Sloga Kraljevo. These clubs for example. When i compare all teams through the years i think that the croatian and slovenian clubs have their time when the serbian clubs were struggeling because of politic and wars. But now without that they are getting the nummer one spot which they deserve. It is the same with croatia and YUG. They were the favourit and the team in europe from 1992-1994, but then we get back on the stage and get one title after another.:D ;) And in the Uleb Cup in three years a serbian team reach the 1/2Final which is also a great thing. Hemofarm also was very unliky two times and get the Final easily away against Makedonikos and then against Aris. I also think that serbia is the only country from ex-YUG which can get a strong league and don´t need the NLB as Slovenia, Bosna, Macedonia, Montenegro and Croatia. We have Partizan and Zvezda two clubs with great tradition and then two Teams which didn´t play a huge role in ex-Yug with FMP and Vrsac. And then we have Teams like OKK Belgrade, Sloga Kraljevo, Borac Cacak and Vojvodina which have tradtion, but no money for now. OK Vojvodina is on a good way and likly will play in the NLB next year. Cacak is a farm-team from FMP. But OKK Belgrade an Kraljevo have lost all their glamour.

I have nothing against clubs from ex-YUG. I don´t take care how is Zadar playing in FIBA Cup or something or Olimpija in the EL. I am not for them and i am not against them.

Buducnost PG
10-11-2006, 08:36 PM
Civilis, I am talking about the last 3 years period!
And not stars, but quality bball players, in last 3 years I don't think any european team produced as many as quality players as FMP Železnik did and they've got some good potentials on their roster to keep up with this short tradition....

When we are talking about FMP and devoloping players, then we also have to say that FMP is not a club with great tradition and have the standarts like Zalgiris for example. And after 10 hard years (war, slobodan milosevic etc) in serbia the teams are getting some live again and FMP is begining to produce more and more players. They have an basketball-school and the main players of the serbian U20,U18 and U16 are coming from FMP. So whole FMP is growing and with every good player like Marinovic they are getting more money and can invest it in the club and in the youngsters, for better coaches and perfect equipment. In my opinon FMP will bring out even better players in the future.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-12-2006, 02:05 PM
the only team which could reach the Final4 after YUG splits was Partizan in 98.
Olimpija in 97 (also Partizan winning it all in 92, playing all the games abroad)... Cibona had a F4 quality team back than, while Olimpija failed to qualify to F4 in 99 after winning their group, lost to Kinder in 2001 after both games were decided by Ginobili with 3 pointer in last minute, and failed to qualify to F4 in 2003 due to Milan Tomić exploding when they've had a better score difference than the late winner Barcelona, so eventhough we've been on F4 only once, F4 slipped away by "mišji kurac" several times :D .


In Croatia and Slovenia there is an higher living standart then in serbia and also stronger companies which can get money to the clubs. Serbian club basketball is now on an good way and i hope with a better situation in whole serbia it will get stronger.
I agree with that. Listening to some friends describing how "sanctions" looked like I was even surprised anyone played professional basketball back than.
Slovenia had the advantage of higher standard in 90ies, and that advantage will be smaller with every year...
But tax policy is definately not favourable right now for our sport clubs. a company like Krka with over 100.000.000 € annuall profit isn't investing more than 200.000 € per year in the most popular sport in the area :rolleyes: Laško bought Union so they're giving more money to Olimpija right now not leaving much to Laško, while other big companies previously investing in bball clubs as Goodyear, NLB or some others decided to support NLB league, so when it comes to finances our bball actually got really miserable in terms of money...


I also think that serbia is the only country from ex-YUG which can get a strong league and don´t need the NLB as Slovenia, Bosna, Macedonia, Montenegro and Croatia.
true again (Croatia might have a decent league, while the rest not)... but I still think Serbia benefits from NLB as well, right now I don't think Serbia could establish as strong league as NLB by herselve... in the long term maybee, but right now they still benefit Olimpija, Cibona and some other teams serbian league can't provide, while it's true Široki, Helios or this years Slovan ( :( ) could easily be replaced by Vojvodina and some other teams from Serbia.
That's why I agree at least 2-4 spots should be given through qualifications of teams from all 6 countries to really get the best teams participating... I think that makes sense and might be the case someday in the future.

Buducnost PG
10-12-2006, 03:00 PM
Olimpija in 97 (also Partizan winning it all in 92, playing all the games abroad)... Cibona had a F4 quality team back than, while Olimpija failed to qualify to F4 in 99 after winning their group, lost to Kinder in 2001 after both games were decided by Ginobili with 3 pointer in last minute, and failed to qualify to F4 in 2003 due to Milan Tomić exploding when they've had a better score difference than the late winner Barcelona, so eventhough we've been on F4 only once, F4 slipped away by "mišji kurac" several times

I once noted that Olimpija was pretty good in the mid 90´s, but i didn´t know that they reach the final4. And you are right in 92 YUG was split. I am always forgeting that. But it was an we can call it yugoslavian domination from 86-92. If my memories are right, then Cibona 2x, Split 3x and Partizan 1x won the EL in this time.


I agree with that. Listening to some friends describing how "sanctions" looked like I was even surprised anyone played professional basketball back than.
Slovenia had the advantage of higher standard in 90ies, and that advantage will be smaller with every year...

In Slovenia you have a living standard as we in germany. Serbia and other countries like Albania, Fyrom, BIH and also Montenegro are years away to reach such a standard.


true again (Croatia might have a decent league, while the rest not)... but I still think Serbia benefits from NLB as well, right now I don't think Serbia could establish as strong league as NLB by herselve... in the long term maybee, but right now they still benefit Olimpija, Cibona and some other teams serbian league can't provide, while it's true Široki, Helios or this years Slovan ( ) could easily be replaced by Vojvodina and some other teams from Serbia.

That´s true. Serbia benefit from NLB, because their teams play there and can reach the Uleb Cup and that gives the teams a chance to play international and for the young players it is a good experience and important for the devolopment.

News

Buducnost Podgorica singned Goran Jeretin from Dynamo St. Petersburg. But Jeretin can leave the team when ever he will, when he gets an offer from a better club from Spain, Italy etc.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-12-2006, 03:17 PM
I am always forgeting that. But it was an we can call it yugoslavian domination from 86-92. If my memories are right, then Cibona 2x, Split 3x and Partizan 1x won the EL in this time.
I forgot who was the player that said that, but back than it was tougher to win yugoslav championship than the euroleague... if there wasn't for only 1 team in euroleague from every country it would be even bigger domination.


Buducnost Podgorica singned Goran Jeretin from Dynamo St. Petersburg. But Jeretin can leave the team when ever he will, when he gets an offer from a better club from Spain, Italy etc.
hopefully that doesn't mean less time for Mijatović... anyway Pavković and Mijatović should benefit from having a more experienced player along them.

Aškrabić reportedly signed for Roma... group B in euroleague is getting worse and worse :rolleyes:

Buducnost PG
10-12-2006, 03:35 PM
I forgot who was the player that said that, but back than it was tougher to win yugoslav championship than the euroleague... if there wasn't for only 1 team in euroleague from every country it would be even bigger domination.


hopefully that doesn't mean less time for Mijatović... anyway Pavković and Mijatović should benefit from having a more experienced player along them.

Aškrabić reportedly signed for Roma... group B in euroleague is getting worse and worse :rolleyes:

I am statisfied with the signing of Jeretin. And i think that Marko Pekovic who is one of the more experienced players in BD roster will be out of the starting 5. He started in every game so far and played very bad. He is an big dissapointment for now. Now with probably Jeretin/Mijatovic/Micov on 1-3 BD looks great. But there is still the problem under the rim. If Jeretin stays all season long (or till the end of NLB, for MN-Championship we don´t need him) then BD can get 10-12 wins i think.

Markoishvili
10-12-2006, 08:55 PM
Jeretin is really important for Buducnost, because that small playmaker Pavkovic was pretty bad. His has below average quickness for his size, and his perimeter shot is weak. Very decent defender and distributor though.

Mijatovic is very talented player, but also selfish, he has all the tools to be atleast decent PG, but so far he is looking just to score on his own. Don`t get me wrong, he is terrific combo guard, but i would like to see more PG ability.

elaj
10-13-2006, 02:46 PM
Bosna fired Jamie Lloreda.

The club was not satisfied with what he has done on the court so far neither with his attitude outside the sport's hall. Therefore both sides agreed to split and Bosna already strated to look for a new center.

woma
10-13-2006, 10:06 PM
Bosna fired Jamie Lloreda.

The club was not satisfied with what he has done on the court so far neither with his attitude outside the sport's hall. Therefore both sides agreed to split and Bosna already strated to look for a new center.
That was quick :). I though that he will stay there at least until Christmas :).
I don't know how much he was getting there, but his replacement not necessary has to be better, looking at current situation on the market.

elaj
10-14-2006, 07:15 PM
Some surprises in the fifth round... Cibona lost to Hemofarm, while Slovan has beaten FMP. Red star wihtout playmaker lost to Partizan. Tomorrow Zadar plays vs. Union Olimpija.

Geoplin Slovan : FMP 71:68 (55:47, 38:31, 20:17)
Nikolič 17, Carr 10, Preldžič 10, Jevdič 10; Samardžinski 16

Široki ERONET : Helios Domžale 89:73 (66:54, 47:37, 27:14)
Štemberger 17, Špralja 15; Troha 20, Pavič 18

Partizan : Crvena zvezda 93:80 (69:54, 47:38, 26:18)
Tripković 24, Drobnjak 18, Perović 17; Thomas Billy 23

Zagreb : Bosna ASA 75:66 (55:55, 41:31, 18:12)
Broyles Dwayne 13, Tomić 13; Gilbert 17

Hemofarm : Cibona 86:72 (61:58, 39:41, 22:16)
Topić 21, Vukosavljević 21; Wright 14, Žuža 14

Budućnost : Split CO 75:64 (56:46, 34:36, 15:16)
Rakočević 16, Jeretin 15; Hill 26

Buducnost PG
10-14-2006, 07:58 PM
Some surprises in the fifth round... Cibona lost to Hemofarm, while Slovan has beaten FMP. Red star wihtout playmaker lost to Partizan. Tomorrow Zadar plays vs. Union Olimpija.

Hemofarm is a great Team at this moment and is on fire. Vukosavljevic is very impresive, Topic is like a young superstar:p and also Borisov, Markovic and Rakic played great so far. Suput is an allrounder and Joskimovic also caught fire the last two games. FMP with a very bad shooting night and Slovan with only 4 or 5 TO and an great Stefan Nikolic. This boy seems to be very talented. I hope he will be on the U20 roster from Serbia next year. And Red Star would even lost with an Playmaker against Partizan. Take a look at the rebounds. Anitc is realy bad for now, so that they also would need a better PF. They could be lucky, that Partizan had so many turnovers or they would lose by 25+.:D

And BD win with an great Jeretin 15 points and 12 assits. Also Rakocevic with an good game, but only 2/12 from the FW-Linie. That´s tough.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-15-2006, 10:24 AM
wow... I thought Nikolić is older, he definately plays that way.:cool:
even better...

Preldžić also had a mentionable game with 10 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists. He isn't scoring the way he did at U20 championship since he obviously has a FG% problems... once he works out with that, Slovan might be a whole other team... I'm anxious to see this kids next season...


Bosna seems lost, nevermind they were without Jamie Lloreda they keep with their loosing streak. They rose when Marković arrived and falled down when he retired...
Nihad Djedović is reportedly playing great consdering he is only 16 years old...

What to say about Helios... if you're unable to beat Široki abroad, than there's not much left to comment. At leat Slovan justifies their condition with the fact they've lost Zupan and Dragić just before the season started and that they're basing their game on talented players.


unexpectedly easy job for Partizan vs. Crvena Zvezda...

Manu Ginobili
10-15-2006, 10:45 AM
Crevna Zvezda realy needs Point Guard.Igor Milosevic did a good Job in this spot,but I can find him in the roster in the last two games.
I think Goran Jeretin proved that his the type of player that they need,I dont know why Red Star hesitates so much with him.

Buducnost PG
10-15-2006, 12:45 PM
Crevna Zvezda realy needs Point Guard.Igor Milosevic did a good Job in this spot,but I can find him in the roster in the last two games.
I think Goran Jeretin proved that his the type of player that they need,I dont know why Red Star hesitates so much with him.

Milosevic is injured but in the media they said it is not a difficult injury and it was expected that he will miss only 1 or 2 games. But even with a playmaker Zvezda would have lost to Partizan. Partizan is the better team and especially better on C/PF. Partizan also have a good defender in Kecam who can put Gurovic down. But Zvezda have to play better and find immediately an new PG. They will play against Siroki at home now and then they must to Zadar and that without Gurovic.

Buducnost PG
10-22-2006, 08:07 PM
Dusko Savanovic from FMP is new player of Unics Kazan.



Duško Savanović will continue his career in Russia after he decided to move to Unics from Kazan for the rest of the season. The decision was made after the 6th round game, played against Budućnost on Saturday.

»I was playing for FMP more then ten years and it is time to go separate ways. The club helped me a lot,« said Savanović after splitting with FMP. He signed a two-year contract with Unics, which will participate also in the ULEB Cup.


Another important player which leave FMP or better said which they sell. Covic is getting richer and richer.:D So the three most important players from last season (Marinovic, Savanovic and Vasic) are gone. Also Mile Ilic left the club to play for the Nets. I think FMP has get at least 2mio€ for these 4 players.

I think that it is the right step for Savanovic. I like him as a player and I hope he will make some noise in Kazan and play good. It will be hard at the begining, beacuse he will have to learn the system but at the end i think he will survive. So Dragan Labovic will get more minutes from now.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-22-2006, 09:17 PM
and what most people would expect now, is that Železnik's game will get worse by loosing their key player (14ppg, 5.5rpg, 16.8 evaluation in 24 minutes per game), but on the opposite Železnik will maintain with their result as we've learned from the past few seasons.
Role of Savanović and his responsibilities will get equaly divided to the rest of the team... piece to piece to Cvetković, Erceg, Popović, Rašić, Labović, Teodošić and Samardzinski.
that's an unique capability, which most teams don't have and most coaches can't execute, that makes Železnik special...

6th round:
Bosna - Cibona 88:83
Vasiljević 30 +5as +6steals (index 43), Gilbert 25; Kus 19 +5as

Olimpija - Hemofarm 68:73
Jurkovič 13 +7reb, Rizvič 12 +8reb; Vukosavljević 13 +8reb, Bakić 13

Helios - Zadar 83:76
Troha 19, Laskevič 13; Johnson 18, Vladović 15

at the middle of 2nd quarter Pavič and Lalić started to fight, Lalić didn't give up and ended up on the floor with some Helios player kicking him in the head... didin't see how come Gečevski got ejected as well... they'll probably miss the next few games...

Zvezda - Široki 98:69
Gurović 35, Popović 14; Opačak 17

Split - Partizan 76:86
Kedžo 23, Hill 11 +8reb; Perović 17, Drobnjak 13 +7reb +4as

Železnik - Budućnost 88:83
Rašić 22, Erceg 17; Micov 19, Dašić 15 +8reb

Zagreb - Slovan 65:60
Tomić 21; Begić 14 +9reb +3 blocks

Preldžić continues with unbelievable bad shooting percentage (27.1 % FG so far; 6.2 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 apg in almost 30 minutes), I've expected a lot more after his performances at european U20 championship

ziv
10-23-2006, 07:11 AM
where's jorovic? i thought he returned after girona cut home but i don't see him in the roster.
i would have excpected erceg (isn't erceg a croat name? and didn't i ask it in the past?) to step forward this year but it didn't realy happen yet. maybe now he'll become the leading player for the team.

Picek
10-23-2006, 07:36 AM
where's jorovic? i thought he returned after girona cut home but i don't see him in the roster.
.
he is still injured..

Proph·et
10-23-2006, 12:41 PM
Here's a video from last night's fight (not made by me): http://coreysteel.getsdrunk.com/lalic_1.avi. Lalic got what he deserved, he started the fight and completely lost his mind, you just don't go running into opponent's bench on away games, because that's a suicide move. He is lucky that Helios' fans dind't rush the court, since they are bunch of old (drunk) harmless men. :)

Buducnost PG
10-23-2006, 03:04 PM
where's jorovic? i thought he returned after girona cut home but i don't see him in the roster.
i would have excpected erceg (isn't erceg a croat name? and didn't i ask it in the past?) to step forward this year but it didn't realy happen yet. maybe now he'll become the leading player for the team.

Jorovic is still injured and will be back around december. Erceg is doing fine so far, beacause it is his first season in FMP were he get good minuets and will not be send on the loan to Cacak. Erceg is serbian from croatia, but the name Erceg is not so often by serbs, more by croats.

Karbo
10-23-2006, 04:08 PM
I watched the other nite game between FMP vs Buducnost (on Pink Extra Sat.TV). Im a huge fan of basketball and been training and playin since 1991. but that game was real shit, honestly speaking. At the end of a second half i tuned off my TV, because it was so crappy. Either they played not motivated or quality of FMP's game droped???
When they played in Final 8 (in Sarajevo) it was way much better/fun to watch.

Mijatovic (from Buducnost) was terrible, Vranjes its not even worth mentioning (229cm tall player was less productive then a piece of rock). Dasic (as commentator mention he's leagues best player) was totally lost, like he's from other planet??
Jeretin, how tha fuck he signs a contract in pro basketball league???
Only bright spot in a Buducnost was Zarko Rakocevic.

At FMP's side, Pantic scored 10pts in first qtr, then coach takes him out?? He was so hot (bas ga krenulo).
Savanoc was shit (at least what i saw in first half), i dunno if its because of that protection mask or wasn't his night???
Cvetkovic had few lay ups (which he missed), luckily got (scored) free throws after.
Erceg started bad but by the end of the first half shift in higher speed and scored like +11pts.

elaj
10-23-2006, 06:20 PM
Here's a video from last night's fight (not made by me): http://coreysteel.getsdrunk.com/lalic_1.avi. Lalic got what he deserved, he started the fight and completely lost his mind, you just don't go running into opponent's bench on away games, because that's a suicide move. He is lucky that Helios' fans dind't rush the court, since they are bunch of old (drunk) harmless men. :)
Yeah, that was so exciting. :D

Picek
10-23-2006, 08:38 PM
Yeah, that was so exciting. :D
:rolleyes:

elaj
10-24-2006, 01:53 PM
:rolleyes:
Here (http://24ur.com/naslovnica/novice/sport/20061023_3082791_16141746.php) is better video about the fight, also Pavič's and Giuseppe Giergia's statement. Pavič also broke a finger on Lalić while Lalić only got some bruises over his body... :)

Buducnost PG
10-24-2006, 04:27 PM
Dasic (as commentator mention he's leagues best player) was totally lost, like he's from other planet??

What are you talking about? The Kid is 18 Years old and is the best player of his age group on the balkan with Marko Keselj. But he is never the best player of the league. And yes a player that was totally lost can socre 15 Points and pull down 8 rebounds. He started bad when he came in, but then he began to produce.

Picek
10-28-2006, 06:54 PM
two big surprises today:

FMP - Partizan 81-65 :eek:

you just gotta love those kids from Zeleznik...
during the week club sold one of their best players (savanović) and they've still trashed partizan...


Hemofarm - Helios 70-72 :eek:
Helios played without Janža and Pavič and they've still won :eek: :D

Manu Ginobili
11-01-2006, 08:56 AM
Guys-I wondered about Nemanja Alexandrov.What happens with him damn it?he get injured again?He did not play even one game in the red star yet..

elaj
11-01-2006, 10:12 AM
Guys-I wondered about Nemanja Alexandrov.What happens with him damn it?he get injured again?He did not play even one game in the red star yet..
He will play in next games. He had some problems with his transfer from his former club FMP to Crvena zvezda.

Picek
11-11-2006, 06:44 PM
Cibona - C. Zvezda 83-70

an easy victory for us...
Vrbanc scored 23 points :cool:

Picek
11-23-2006, 07:49 AM
Josip Sesar signed for Zagreb,
actually he will sign a contract today..

bosnaASA
11-25-2006, 12:43 PM
congrats to zagreb, sesar is an excellent player

bosnaASA
12-06-2006, 10:29 AM
Yesterday,a big european talent, 16 year old bosnian player Nihad Djedovic (196-G-90, agency: Beo Basket) from Bosna ASA BH Telecom Sarajevo signed contract with Spain basketball team Winterthur F.C. Barcelona. At the end of current season Djedovic goes to Spain to spend there next 4+2 seasons, which means that there is a possibility for him to go to NBA after four seasons. It is said that Bosna ASA got 300 000 or 400 000 €, but the exact information will be released at a press conference today.

elaj
12-06-2006, 03:08 PM
Yesterday,a big european talent, 16 year old bosnian player Nihad Djedovic (196-G-90, agency: Beo Basket) from Bosna ASA BH Telecom Sarajevo signed contract with Spain basketball team Winterthur F.C. Barcelona. At the end of current season Djedovic goes to Spain to spend there next 4+2 seasons, which means that there is a possibility for him to go to NBA after four seasons. It is said that Bosna ASA got 300 000 or 400 000 €, but the exact information will be released at a press conference today.
Only max 400k€?:rolleyes:

Joško Poljak Fan
12-06-2006, 05:23 PM
depends, but if Nihad would proove himself as good player on senior level as he did in junior competitions than Bosna sold him under his true value...
Money for him and potentially for Bavčić might mean a more competitive Bosna in the future.

bosnaASA
12-06-2006, 06:14 PM
depends, but if Nihad would proove himself as good player on senior level as he did in junior competitions than Bosna sold him under his true value...
Money for him and potentially for Bavčić might mean a more competitive Bosna in the future.
could be, but for a player of his age that amaount of money is quite enough, at least now. tau ceramica offered more money, but nihad wanted to go to barcelona, because he has always wanted to play there. it is said that he is bounded to barca till 2013 and i truly hope he will have a place in barca's first team. if he doesn't, he will be borrowed to Bosna.

Buducnost PG
12-06-2006, 06:36 PM
And again a youngster is gone from Adriatic League. We will never get out of our bad situation, if we sell our players that early. The ACB is gets what they want from our talentpool.

Joško Poljak Fan
12-07-2006, 03:33 PM
it's definately depressing to loose best players year after year... for example when Bečirovič was sold to Virtus, a lot of people decided not to pay attention to basketball anymore since they hated the fact we loose the best player year after year.
And a far as I am concerned, Bosna should have waited for 1-2 more years to see if Nihad would develope into sth. great... eventhough as BosnaASA said this ammount of money is quite big considering his age...


When it comes to budgets the riots between Zvezda and Partizan aren't exactly helpfull, since I believe both teams could easily fill up Belgrade arena for the european matches if it wasn't for fan group riots. 19.000 visitors at a game would mean bigger budgets...


I think ACB will be buying these players for some more years now, but at least the buyouts for those players increased compared to the 90ies, when getting 250.000$ from a NBA team was actually considered as "a lot"...
And no matter how many players they buy, the talent pool in Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Montenegro is simply too big for anyone to rob...

bosnaASA
12-08-2006, 12:27 AM
the news is that djedovic's transfer was 1 000 000 (963 000, to be more precise).

Joško Poljak Fan
12-09-2006, 09:18 PM
13. round:
Široki - Bosna 90:87
Opačak 24 +6reb, Štemberger 21, McLinton 14; Bavčić 26 +6reb, Gilbert 18


Zadar - Partizan 92:86
English 33 +6reb, Lalić 15, Gečevski 12 +11reb; Kecman 12 +7reb, Perović 12, Cummings 12

...Jazine arena was crowded, by far the best game by English so far in this season, I thought Zadar might fire him in the begining of the season, but now he averages index rating of 25 through the last 6 games...


Hemofarm - Budućnost 69:76
Vukosavljević 13, Topić 11 +12reb; Jeretin 20, Rakočević 16, Dašić 10

Bodučnost really surprises me this season. Before Jeretin came in I'd never bet they would have a 8-5 score, he changed this team...


Cibona - Slovan 100:81
Kus 17, Žuža 14 +6reb, Rožić 14; Klobučar 28, Preldžić 14, Vidmar 13 +6reb

The new reinforcement Andrew Wisniewski played for Cibona, 9 points in 17 minutes. Cibona's rotation got even deeper with him on bench- one of rare teams in europe where actually all 12 players can equally contribute.
Klobučar is finally starting to score, some youngsters got a chance with Slovan, can't be happy with 1-12 score, but at least they've got some promising players for the future.


Olimpija - Zagreb 87:76
Ranniko 18 +6reb +4as, Lorbek 17, Jurkovič 14; Zadravec 17, Sesar 17 +4reb +4as, Broyles 13 +7reb

I won't say expected. Players lost a lot of energy vs. Joventut and it was a tough defeat, I am glad they managed to pull this out. Pietras with 2 points and 3 rebounds in 5 minutes


Helios - FMP 92:96 after OT
Troha 22, Laškevič 17 +7reb, Močnik 8 +4reb +9as; Cvetković 21, Rašić 21, Labović 18


Zvezda - Split 88:79
Popović 30, Gurović 20, Thomas 12; Kedžo 24 +7reb, Car 16, Rudež 16

Nemanja Aleksandrov is actually back after more tha a year I believe... 9 points 4 rebounds and 2 blocks for him in 18 minutes.

Buducnost PG
12-09-2006, 09:21 PM
Zadar 50 Freethrows enoguh said. English 22 of them. Last year they had 72 against Partizan.

bosnaASA
12-10-2006, 10:56 AM
edin bavcic again one of 5 best ranking players in this round. he is growing into a hell of a player! way to go, edo!

Buducnost PG
12-15-2006, 05:17 PM
Round 14

Saturday
16.30h Crvena zvezda - FMP
17.00h Olimpija - Geoplin Slovan
17.00h Bosna - Split
18.00h Hemofarm - Partizan
19.00h Helios Domžale - Zagreb
20.00h Zadar - Široki

Sunday
20.00h Cibona - Budućnost

Picek
12-15-2006, 07:33 PM
Slobodan Subotić is a new Split head coach...

elaj
12-15-2006, 10:06 PM
Slobodan Subotić is a new Split head coach...
Thank god he didn't come to Olimpija... I think he's not the right coach for Split.

elaj
12-17-2006, 01:20 PM
The voting for Adriatic League All-Star game is over... here are the results:

There are only ten days left until the first All Stars game of the NLB League, which will be organized in Ljubljana on December 27th and since this week-end the starting five of the East and West team is officially known. Through the public voting on internet and ballot papers published in newspapers five players in each selection were defined.

The East team will be coached by Vlada Vukoičić, the head-coach of FMP; the team that was ranked at the second place of the standing in the night from Friday to Saturday when the voting for players ended. On the West it will be Dražen Anzulović, who will lead the selection of stars since his team Cibona is currently the leading one in the NLB League.

The chosen journalists from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro also held their voting for the most talented player, born after January 1st 1985. It was Kosta Perović from Partizan who received most votes and therefore automatically got a place in the East selection.

Other members of both selections will be known after coaches of all teams will give their vote for them.


West
Guards:
Davor Kus (Cibona) 26.596
Teemu Rannikko (Union Olimpija) 25.864
Carl English (Zadar) 11.895
Ender Arslan (Union Olimpija) 13.621
Christopher Warren (Cibona) 10.553
Jamal McCoullough (Cibona) 9.821
Sašo Ožbolt (Union Olimpija) 8.479
Marijan Mance (Cibona) 4.880
Josip Sesar (Zagreb) 4.514
Domen Lorbek (Union Olimpija) 4.026

Forwards:
Marko Milič (Union Olimpija) 42.456
Brent Wright (Cibona) 25.132
Manučar Markoišvili (Union Olimpija) 14.152
Saša Dončić (Helios) 8.113
Juby Johnson (Zadar) 7.259
A. D. Broyles (Zagreb) 5.429
Bariša Krasić (Cibona) 5.307
Emir Preldžić (G. Slovan) 4.026
Davor Marcelić (Cibona) 3.721
Lukša Andrić (Cibona) 3.233

Centers:
Todor Gečevski (Zadar) 30.159
Smiljan Pavič (Helios) 6.771
Hasan Rizvić (Union Olimpija) 6.222
Marton Bader (Cibona) 6.039
Jurica Žuža (Cibona) 3.599

East
Guards:
Uroš Tripković (Partizan) 21.045
Saša Vasiljević (Bosna) 14.884
Vonteego Cummings (Partizan) 14.518
Goran Jeretin (Budućnost) 12.383
Nebojša Joksimovič (Hemofarm) 10.797
Clarence Gilbert (Bosna) 7.564
Milenko Tepić (Partizan) 7.320
Antonio Burks (C. zvezda) 6.368
Branko Cvetković (FMP) 6.161
Billy Thomas (C. zvezda) 6.039

Forwards:
Milan Gurović (C. zvezda) 44.713
Zoran Erceg (FMP) 12.827
Luka Bogdanovič (Partizan) 12.734
Edin Bavčić (Bosna) 12.344
Milenko Topić (Hemo) 11.858
Dženan Rahimić (Bosna) 9.272
Predrag Šuput (Hemofarm) 5.612
N. Aleksandrov (C. zvezda) 5.307
Ivan Opačak (Široki) 5.063
Tadija Dragićević (C. zvezda) 4.819

Centers:
Predrag Drobnjak (Partizan) 30.927
Kosta Perović (Partizan) 21.960
Petar Popović (C. zvezda) 5.063
Pero Antić (C. zvezda) 2.806
V. Vukosavljević (Hemofarm) 2.379

Starting Lineups:

East: Uroš Tripković (Partizan), Saša Vasiljević (Bosna ASA BHT), Milan Gurović (Crvena zvezda), Zoran Erceg (FMP), Predrag Drobnjak (Partizan).

West: Davor Kus (Cibona), Teemu Rannikko (Union Olimpija), Brent Wright (Cibona), Marko Milič (Union Olimpija), Todor Gečevski (Zadar).

ziv
12-17-2006, 02:27 PM
isn't it more north (slovenia and croatia) - south (serbia, montenegro and bih) than east-west?
if it was up to you - wouldn't you say jeretin should've been in the starting five. (yes, i know how the voting works, and i know some teams have much more fans.)

a.i.
12-18-2006, 11:29 AM
What about Gurovic, is he allowed to play in Slovenia?

Centers in the West aren't that good...

elaj
12-18-2006, 02:07 PM
What about Gurovic, is he allowed to play in Slovenia?

Centers in the West aren't that good...
Gurović is allowed to play in Slovenia. :)

Gečevski is more then good center.

a.i.
12-18-2006, 04:09 PM
I didn't mean to say Gecevski is not good, I was just wondering about the (lack of) alternatives on the center position. If you compare them to the ones from Serbia, i would say they are much weaker.

ziv
12-18-2006, 05:54 PM
it reminds me - isn't Ante Tomic good enough to be included?

bosnaASA
12-21-2006, 12:54 AM
bavcic was selected by the east and west coaches to play, too, and i am very proud of him! now bosna will have two players in all star game! ain't we good?:D

Joško Poljak Fan
12-22-2006, 12:09 PM
I didn't mean to say Gecevski is not good, I was just wondering about the (lack of) alternatives on the center position. If you compare them to the ones from Serbia, i would say they are much weaker.
I think Gecevski might actually be the 2nd best center in the copetition after Drobnjak. He is even better than the numbers show, since anyone playing vs. Zadar base their defense on stopping Gecevski. I'd kill for Olimpija getting him...

ziv
12-22-2006, 01:05 PM
something is realy wired with gecevski he signed a new contract with zadar last summer (2 years - if i recall). but he realy deserved a bigger contract with a bigger team - i didn't (and don't) understand why he did it. we see all types of players getting big bucks in spain (and russia) and he stayed in zadar for what i guess is a relativly small sum.

elaj
12-22-2006, 01:14 PM
something is realy wired with gecevski he signed a new contract with zadar last summer (2 years - if i recall). but he realy deserved a bigger contract with a bigger team - i didn't (and don't) understand why he did it. we see all types of players getting big bucks in spain (and russia) and he stayed in zadar for what i guess is a relativly small sum.
Money isn't everything... :rolleyes:

elaj
12-22-2006, 09:45 PM
Full teams:

West - East

KUS (Cibona) - VASILJEVIĆ (Bosna)
RANNIKKO (UOL) - TRIPKOVIĆ (Partizan)
MARKOIŠVILI (UOL) - GUROVIĆ (Crvena zvezda)
MILIČ (UOL) - ERCEG (FMP)
PAVIČ (Helios) - DROBNJAK (Partizan)
English (Zadar) - Perović (Partizan)
Warren (Cibona) - Jeretin (Budućnost)
Paravinja (Slovan) - Rašić (FMP)
Tomić (Zagreb) - Joksimovič (Hemofarm)
Broyles (Zagreb) - Bavčić (Bosna)
Preldžič (Slovan) - Popović (Crvena zvezda)
Troha (Helios) - Opačak (Široki)

Coach: Anzulović (Cibona) - Vukoičić (FMP)

Gečevski and Wright wont be participating at All-Star game.

Buducnost PG
12-22-2006, 10:29 PM
Full teams:

West - East

KUS (Cibona) - VASILJEVIĆ (Bosna)
RANNIKKO (UOL) - TRIPKOVIĆ (Partizan)
MARKOIŠVILI (UOL) - GUROVIĆ (Crvena zvezda)
MILIČ (UOL) - ERCEG (FMP)
PAVIČ (Helios) - DROBNJAK (Partizan)
English (Zadar) - Perović (Partizan)
Warren (Cibona) - Jeretin (Budućnost)
Paravinja (Slovan) - Rašić (FMP)
Tomić (Zagreb) - Joksimovič (Hemofarm)
Broyles (Zagreb) - Bavčić (Bosna)
Preldžič (Slovan) - Popović (Crvena zvezda)
Troha (Helios) - Opačak (Široki)

Coach: Anzulović (Cibona) - Vukoičić (FMP)

Gečevski and Wright wont be participating at All-Star game.


Sportskacentrala wrote that both will not play because of injury. But if they play at games tomorrow, then it must be something else but not a injury.:D

Buducnost PG
12-25-2006, 12:29 PM
So both Gecevski and Wright played at the weekend for the teams and i am asking me what injury that could be.:D Perovic, Drobnjak and Tripkovic get injured yesterday against Cibona and perhaps they will also miss the All-Star game. It seems nobody want to play the All-Star game of this league. Cummings is in the USA and i am asking me if he will be back until Wednesday. But i think he will. Partizan let him fly to the USA for christmas so he missed the game against Cibona yesterday.

Round 15 Resulsts

Zadar - Bosna 100:88
easy home win for Zadar against a very poor Bonsa, especially when they have to play on the road.
Široki - Hemofarm 69:83
Easy and important win for Hemofarm. So in two weeks we will see a very important game for Hemofarm at home against Zadar.
Budućnost - Olimpija 74:67
Tough game. Olimpija lead through the wohle three quarters, but in the 4 BD caught the lead and get the win. BD with a lot fo freethrows, but awufl shooting from there. At some points of the game they were around 35% from FT line.
Geoplin Slovan - Helios Domžale 69:82
Slovan?:D I hope we will not see them again next season in the NLB. They are not got enough for this league. Domzale with an easy.
Zagreb - Crvena zvezda 81:97
And here also a easy win for the guests. Zvzeda outplayed Zagreb easily. And even Misanovic was able to make 14 points.:D Poor game from Ante Tomic against Zvezda. I thougt he could do better against the weak Frontcourt from Zvzeda.
FMP - Split 93:77
Split was good in the first half and at one point had a 12 point lead, but then FMP started to push the tempo and got the win.

Partizan-Cibona 81-72
Interesting game because Vujosevic was ejected again and he also hold one of the referee´s on his shirt. Partizan started great into the game and got a 17-2 lead. But then they made a lot of stupid mistakes and Cibona got a lot of freethrows so that the game was tied at halftime (40-40). In the second half Partizan was able to get a lead of 61-56 and from there Partizan never trailed. Partizan played without Cummings and Perovic and Drobnjak got injured during the game, but Pekovic and Velickovic had a big game for Partizan.

Buducnost PG
12-25-2006, 10:39 PM
Nobody wants to play the All-Star game of this league. Now Tripkovic, Drobnjak and Perovic are out with injuries.

A All-Star game with players like Pavic and Troha.:D :D Perhaps we will see also Slavko Vranes or Nenad Misanovic.:D :D

Nobody gives a *uck about the All-Star game of this competition and Vujosevic about the whole league. He is so quite in the EL games and do what he want at NLB games.:p

elaj
12-25-2006, 10:45 PM
Marko Milič will miss the Slovenian All-Star game (tomorrow) because he needs a rest (and he has some slight injury), there is also a possibility he will also miss this one. :D

Buducnost PG
12-25-2006, 10:53 PM
Marko Milič will miss the Slovenian All-Star game (tomorrow) because he needs a rest (and he has some slight injury), there is also a possibility he will also miss this one. :D

:D :D Who will replace him? Wait a moment. Perhaps Nikola Garma from KK Zagreb.:p

I think next season we will not see a all-star game from NLB league anymore.:D

Joško Poljak Fan
12-26-2006, 09:50 AM
Nobody gives a *uck about the All-Star game of this competition and Vujosevic about the whole league. He is so quite in the EL games and do what he want at NLB games.:p
c'mmon, c'mmon, Vujoševič cared helluva lot about NLB league for the past years, since it was his back up for being the worst team in EL for 2 consecutive years + used it for developing youngsters... but if those are his words I wouldn't be surprised really.


I think next season we will not see a all-star game from NLB league anymore.
agreed. the west - east system is kind of stupid and Ljubljana is the only place a whole game can be played with it.
No need for a stupid all star game just when players seek some free time for regeneration.

Buducnost PG
12-26-2006, 10:01 AM
c'mmon, c'mmon, Vujoševič cared helluva lot about NLB league for the past years, since it was his back up for being the worst team in EL for 2 consecutive years + used it for developing youngsters... but if those are his words I wouldn't be surprised really.


Vujosevic is crazy and for sure that you as coach will win every game but the NLB is not that high ranked as the serbian league by him and also the fans. That´s becasue the EL spot you can only get if you win serbian league. And look what he is doing when NLB league is played. Always disscusing with the refs and blame them for everything. That´s while he knows that they can´t do anything to him. If he does such things in EL games he would be supsended for month and not one or two games. Partizan never want to play this league and was push into it. But they are too important for this league so that they can´t fine Vujosevic as he deserv. He also applied to the serbian clubs to leave this league after the game with Cibona. If that will happen one day NLB will be dead.:D


agreed. the west - east system is kind of stupid and Ljubljana is the only place a whole game can be played with it.
No need for a stupid all star game just when players seek some free time for regeneration.

Imagine next year the all-star game is setteld to be in Zagreb and Gurovic as the player with the most votes from the fans couldn´t play.:D

Buducnost PG
12-26-2006, 12:21 PM
Milenko Tepic (Partizan), Nikola Pekovic (Partizan) and Predrag Suput (hemofarm) will replace Drobnjak, Perovic and Tripkovic.

Picek
12-26-2006, 03:18 PM
He also applied to the serbian clubs to leave this league after the game with Cibona. If that will happen one day NLB will be dead.:D

he is allways calling serbian clubs to leave the league but noone really cares about Vujošević..
and the reason is simple, in the past two years serbian clubs took every ULEB cup spot awarded to this league..
and only one (maybe two) ULEB cup spot would be awarded to serbian league..
and you don't have to be a mathematician to figure it out how come noone listens to what he's got to say..
he is the biggest clown among the NLB coaches..
I wonder what will happen if Partizan loses the national championship at the end of the season..
I guess he will like NLB league then..:rolleyes:

elaj
12-27-2006, 10:37 AM
Anyway, today is the All-Star game. The East - West game will be at 20:00, ofcourse it will be broadcasted at:

TV Slovenija 2 (Slovenia)
HRT (Croatia)
BHT-PBS 1 (BiH)
TV Koper (Slovenia)
TV Črna gora (Montenegro)
B92 (Serbia)
Pink+ (Serbia)
TV Makedonija (FYROM)
Ring TV (Bulgaria)
Channel 5 (Israel)

PLAYERS PARTICIPATING IN 3-POINTERS COMPETITION

Teemu Rannikko (Union Olimpija)
Domen Lorbek (Union Olimpija)
Robert Troha (Helios)
Davor Kus (Cibona)
Ivan Opačak (Široki Prima pivo)
Siniša Štemberger (Široki Prima pivo)
Bojan Krstović (FMP)
Nenad Mijatović (Budućnost)
Todor Gečevski (Zadar)
Carl English (Zadar)
Milan Gurović (Crvena zvezda)


PLAYERS PARTICIPATING IN DUNKING COMPETITION

Smiljan Pavič (Helios)
Levour Christopher Warren (Cibona)
Nikola Garma (Zagreb)
Ivan Opačak (Široki Prima pivo)
Bojan Krstović (FMP)
Stevan Milošević (Budućnost)
Damjan Rudež (Split)
Carl English (Zadar)
Dejan Čigoja (Geoplin Slovan)
Miha Zupan

FINAL ROSTERS:

EAST-STARTING FIVE: Saša Vasiljević (Bosna ASA BHT), Goran Jeretin (Budućnost), Milan Gurović (Crvena zvezda), Zoran Erceg (FMP), Petar Popović (Crvena zvezda); Nikola Peković (Partizan), Milenko Tepić (Partizan), Aleksandar Rašić (FMP); Nebojša Joksimovič (Hemofarm), Edin Bavčić (Bosna ASA BHT), Predrag Šuput (Hemofarm), Ivan Opačak (Široki Prima pivo);
HEAD-COACH: Vlada Vukoičić (FMP); ASSITANT-COACH: Dejan Radonjić (Budućnost).

WEST-STARTING FIVE: Davor Kus (Cibona), Teemu Rannikko (Union Olimpija), Manučar Markoišvili (Union Olimpija), Marko Milič (Union Olimpija), Todor Gečevski (Zadar); Carl English (Zadar), Levour Christopher Warren (Cibona), Miloš Paravinja (Geoplin Slovan), Ante Tomić (Zagreb), Dwayne Anthony Broyles (Zagreb), Emir Preldžić (Geoplin Slovan), Robert Troha (Helios), Smiljan Pavič (Helios);
HEAD-COACH: Dražen Anzulović (Cibona), ASSITANT-COACH: Dario Gjergja (Cibona).

Ostend
12-27-2006, 08:46 PM
Does anyone know if there will be a video of the dunk contest on the internet... i wanna know how Rudez D. did.... thanks

elaj
12-27-2006, 09:04 PM
Does anyone know if there will be a video of the dunk contest on the internet... i wanna know how Rudez D. did.... thanks
Nothing special... he was in the final but lost to Miha Zupan.

Anyway, to be honest I enjoyed watching the game, it was quite interesting. All players showed lots of accuracy from the three point line. Carl English was voted for the MVP of the game ending the game with 29 points. Miha Zupan won the dunking competition (was in the final with Damjan Rudež). To be honest I was very disappointed with the dunk competition... all should learn from Milič during the game. :) Teemu Rannikko took the three point crown (was in the final with Davor Kus). Marko Milič showed some nice dunks and layups. :D

Joško Poljak Fan
12-27-2006, 09:13 PM
I was getting really bored during the game. West took it more seriously in defense and won because of it... some nice dunks by Milič, while dunking competition wasn't even average, dunking competitions in my high school were more attractive than this one- still better than the ones at slovenian all star though, but I think there are hunreds of people in ex-Yu region able to perform better dunks than what we've seen today.
dunking competition could as well be cancelled in the future.

elaj
12-27-2006, 09:15 PM
I was getting really bored during the game. West took it more seriously in defense and won because of it... some nice dunks by Milič, while dunking competition wasn't even average, dunking competitions in my high school were more attractive than this one- still better than the ones at slovenian all star though, but I think there are hunreds of people in ex-Yu region able to perform better dunks than what we've seen today.
dunking competition could as well be cancelled in the future.
Maybe they should rate the dunks during the game... I think this is the best way for getting the "best" dunker from that bunch of players.

elaj
12-27-2006, 09:23 PM
EAST AllStars Team vs. WEST AllStars Team - 118:134

EAST: Popović 17, Gurović 15, Joksimović 13, Peković 12, Opačak 12, Šuput 12, Tepić 11, Erceg 8, Rašić 5, Jeretin 5, Bavčić 4, Vasiljević 4.
WEST: English 29, Markoishvili 15, Kus 15, Warren 13, Broyles 12, Milič 10, Gečevski 8, Pavič 8, Rannikko 7, Troha 6, Tomić 2, Paravinja 2.

Pija_Olimp
12-28-2006, 09:31 AM
Maybe they should rate the dunks during the game... I think this is the best way for getting the "best" dunker from that bunch of players.
This would be a good alternative. But sadly the best known dunkers do not necessarily make it to the All Stars teams. :(

Of course it was a boring game. What defence? Did you see that East made even 6 fouls? The harsh game didn't bring them win. :D
I must say I enjoyed in good actions during the game and in the treepointer competition. Rannikko twice in a row 11 3-pointers out of 15! :)

Buducnost PG
12-28-2006, 03:05 PM
Nesovic moved from KK Zagreb to Hemofarm Vrsac.

PHILIPeurobasket
12-29-2006, 08:31 PM
Can somebody tell me some infos about Edin Bavcic :confused: I have info that he in upcoming hours will sign contract with Anwil Wloclawek :) !?

elaj
12-29-2006, 09:01 PM
Can somebody tell me some infos about Edin Bavcic :confused: I have info that he in upcoming hours will sign contract with Anwil Wloclawek :) !?
Not going to happen...

PHILIPeurobasket
12-29-2006, 09:03 PM
Not going to happen...

AT 22:30 in radio will be news about this guy, and all details ... so I wait ;)

bosnaASA
12-30-2006, 09:14 AM
AT 22:30 in radio will be news about this guy, and all details ... so I wait ;)anything new? please, keep us informed about bavcic, but as far as i know (and i know him personally), that's not gonna happen. he's in germany now, spending holidays with his family. anyway, tell us if there's any news.

ziv
12-30-2006, 09:47 AM
of course the notion of an all star game in the adriatic is a 3-point shoot-out. 35 and 36 attempts for the teams!
but how was the game? how was zupan's dunk? anybody was present?

Buducnost PG
12-31-2006, 02:49 PM
Now it is confirmed that Vanja Plisnic will play for Hemoafarm the rest of the season. Good signing for them. Plisnic was one of the better players last year in adriatic league.

rikhardur
01-04-2007, 10:28 PM
Partizan's coach Dušan Vujošević suspended for 3 games + 6600€ fine for the incidents on the 24th December in the game against Cibona. He'll miss the games against Olimpija, Domžale and Železnik.

Joško Poljak Fan
01-05-2007, 03:42 PM
Partizan's coach Dušan Vujošević suspended for 3 games + 6600€ fine for the incidents on the 24th December in the game against Cibona. He'll miss the games against Olimpija, Domžale and Železnik.
and Partizan goes melodramatic again...:rolleyes:

Zadar and Cibona are supposed to have advantage since the referees are delegated by a croatian :rolleyes:

+some more

and as much as Partizan realizes that not competing in adriatic league would harm the club, they won't participate in the next season under such circumstances. They insist that Vujoševič's penalty is erased to show with that, that the attitude towards Partizan will change in the future if adriatic league even wants Partizan to play. :rolleyes:

Picek
01-05-2007, 04:19 PM
and as much as Partizan realizes that not competing in adriatic league would harm the club, they won't participate in the next season under such circumstances. They insist that Vujoševič's penalty is erased to show with that, that the attitude towards Partizan will change in the future if adriatic league even wants Partizan to play. :rolleyes:
I loved their explanation of their loss to FMP in the last years regional league final...
they've lost because judges got drunk the night before.. :D
IMO Vujošević should have received even bigger suspension...
if it was an euroleague game he would be suspended for the rest of the season..

Buducnost PG
01-06-2007, 12:47 PM
Yesterday FMP and Zvezda blowout Bosna and Slovan. FMP got a easy road win in Sarajevo despite a very good game by Rasic, Labovic and Erceg. And Zvezda won easily against Slovan as expected.

Bosna Sarajevo-FMP Belgrade 76-91
Crvena Zvezda-Geoplin Slovan 102-79

Today
Hemofarm-Zadar
Olimpija-Partizan
Split-KK Zagreb
Helios-Buducnost

Sunday
Cibona-Siroki

Buducnost PG
01-07-2007, 12:25 AM
and Partizan goes melodramatic again...:rolleyes:

Zadar and Cibona are supposed to have advantage since the referees are delegated by a croatian :rolleyes:

+some more

and as much as Partizan realizes that not competing in adriatic league would harm the club, they won't participate in the next season under such circumstances. They insist that Vujoševič's penalty is erased to show with that, that the attitude towards Partizan will change in the future if adriatic league even wants Partizan to play. :rolleyes:

Vujosevic is acting often like a idiot and looks like a clown in NLB league. The fine for him is correct and even could be bigger. But some other points in the article from the Partizan managment are worth to talk about them. Like that Danko Radic the president of the croatian basketball assositaion is declaring the refs for the games of NLB. That is one thing that is not necessary and it would be better if they but there a person which is not from serbia or croatia and is not working in the assosiation from BIH, montenegro, slovenia or Macedonia (Skopje will start next season in NLB).

And often funny things happend when Ankarali and the two slovenians were the refs of Partizan games against a croatian team. In the game this year in Zadar Partizan was robbed and last year Zadar had 70 Freethrows against Partizan. Nobody of the other countries is lucky that serbian teams take everything what the NLB gave. The league is interesting because of serbian clubs if they leave we can close the NLB or we will see more Teams from Croatia like KK Split:D . So things have to be changed. There are teams in the NLB which are holding stocks of the league. Bosna is holding 20% and Buducnost, Red Star and Partizan all together 20%. Cibona is holding also some % but i don´t know how much but i think that they also hold 20% or 10% and Zadar 10%. Them Olimpija must be holding some. But some clubs like FMP and Hemofarm not. The league can easily life without Bosna, but not without FMP and Hemofarm when we were talking about quality and if we want to have a quality league. The league also have to be cut to 12 Teams. 2 teams (Split from croatia and then a team from slovenia) are always so bad that they have nothing to search for in this league. That also would mean that the clubs could play more games in the national league. The next thing is that NLB must change the rules about teams per country.

12 team league

4 Serbia
2 Croatia
1 Slovenia
1 BIH
1 MNT
1 FYROM
2 qualification

10 sure places and then a tournament were the 5th and 6th team of serbia, 3rd and 4th of croatia, 2nd of BIH, 2nd of Fyrom and 2nd of Slovenia and 2nd of Montenegro decide the last two places. But the teams from Montenegro and FYROM are weak so that we also could make it as follwos. 5th from serbia, 3rd from croatia, 2nd of bih and 2nd of slovenia are playing for the last two places. And then make playoffs between the 5th from serbia and the 2nd of slovenia and the 3rd of croatia against the 2nd of bosnia or make a draw and look how it ends up. That would open Serbia a chance to get a fith team in a NLB of 12 teams and not give the place directly to BIH or slovenian team and so close the door for a club like Vojvodina which would deserv to play in this league more then Slovan, Split, Siroki or KK Zagreb.

The 10 places would stay the same for a few years, because 4 serbian teams (FMP, Partizan, Red Star and Vrsac) every year have good quality also as Cibona and Zadar from Croatia and then Olimpija from Slovenia, Buducnost from Montenegro, Rabotnicki Skopje from FYROM and then Bosna or Siroki from BIH, who win the BIH Championship would be able to start in NLB directly. And then this two free places.

Joško Poljak Fan
01-07-2007, 10:43 AM
Vujosevic is acting often like a idiot and looks like a clown in NLB league. The fine for him is correct and even could be bigger. But some other points in the article from the Partizan managment are worth to talk about them. Like that Danko Radic the president of the croatian basketball assositaion is declaring the refs for the games of NLB. That is one thing that is not necessary and it would be better if they but there a person which is not from serbia or croatia and is not working in the assosiation from BIH, montenegro, slovenia or Macedonia (Skopje will start next season in NLB).
If serbian clubs feel threatened with that, I don't think anyone wil object with someone else delegating the referees... by that you can't get rid of "the legendary balkan cook" anyway, theories of conspiracy and teams feeling themselves robbed will live on as they did in the previous country.


The league is interesting because of serbian clubs if they leave we can close the NLB or we will see more Teams from Croatia like KK Split .
no need for closing NLB, since I believe some sponsors would still have an interest on investing in Croatia and Bosnia and such league might survive, while Uleb is also pressuring a lot to keep this league together, since with this league they can control 6 countries that would probably demand much bigger benefits if they were all playing their own league exclusevely.
Now it all depends on Uleb - Fiba war... with Fiba being against such leagues...
otherwise Slovenia and Croatia wouldn't be that depressed if the league is gone, they'd get 1 Uleb Cup representative back.


So things have to be changed. There are teams in the NLB which are holding stocks of the league. Bosna is holding 20% and Buducnost, Red Star and Partizan all together 20%. Cibona is holding also some % but i don´t know how much but i think that they also hold 20% or 10% and Zadar 10%.
Olimpija -20%
Cibona - 6.66%
Zadar - 6.66%
Split 6.66%

i'm sure untill now


Bodučnost - 6.66%
Zvezda 6.66%
Partizan 6.66%
Bosna 20%
individuals (Lisac + some more) 20%

regarding the league 6 bball federations should have a vote, referee asociation, players asociation, with big clubs (Zvezda, Partizan, Cibona, Olimpija -the league is played because of them afterall) having bigger voting rights and than the rest of the clubs participating. I'm against 1/14th voting right for every club... while this system is also a bit unclear

I think that this area has enough quality for 14teams, if there are qualifications established.
Tournament of teams fighting for 2-4 spots in NLB league would suit all... as you also already noticed.

Buducnost PG
01-07-2007, 01:16 PM
no need for closing NLB, since I believe some sponsors would still have an interest on investing in Croatia and Bosnia and such league might survive, while Uleb is also pressuring a lot to keep this league together, since with this league they can control 6 countries that would probably demand much bigger benefits if they were all playing their own league exclusevely.
Now it all depends on Uleb - Fiba war... with Fiba being against such leagues...
otherwise Slovenia and Croatia wouldn't be that depressed if the league is gone, they'd get 1 Uleb Cup representative back.


Yeah sponsors in Zenica or Mostar. Are you realy belive in that what do you have wrote here? There is nothing to argue, if Serbian clubs leave NLB then the leageu will be grap belive it or not. Then perhaps even like a team as it is Split will have a chance to win it.:D And Uleb only wants to make money and they don´t look at tradtion and only favour big european clubs form countries with money. And do you realy think slovenia deserv a spot in the Uleb Cup? Who will play there perhpas Slovan?:D or Domzale with 3 point god Robert Troha?:D .

Serbian league is 10 times better as the others form the ex-Yugoslavia. But it is nice to play the NLB, because of teams like Cibona, Zadar, Olimpija and Bosna. But what happend with Teams like Olimpija and Bosna is sad they would not be able to be 5th in Serbia, perhaps Olimpija but Bosna would be at the best case 8th.


I think that this area has enough quality for 14teams, if there are qualifications established.
Tournament of teams fighting for 2-4 spots in NLB league would suit all... as you also already noticed.

Perhaps the league is quality enough to have 14 teams but then we have to gave 6 or 7 places to serbian clubs and 3 to croatian clubs, because nobody wants to see Split anymore in this league. But perhaps Maljkovic will come back and bring with him some serbians which knows how to get a good team and make players which could be stars.:D

Joško Poljak Fan
01-07-2007, 02:47 PM
Yeah sponsors in Zenica or Mostar. Are you realy belive in that what do you have wrote here?
not really, Kia, NLB, Sava tires/goodyear, mobitel, Adria airways and And1, all slovenian based companies (which btw. gives you a good explanation why Slovenia will never participate with less than 2 club- not fair from competition point of view though, I know) would keep on going.
without serbian clubs their investment in this league would drop, but just as the costs would and the wholesituation would've stay the same.
The league would definately loose enormously in the competition point of view- I definately agree with you on this one.
But I believe in Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia there is a general consensus about the neccesity of this league (or better said positive things that prevail over own national championship though the whole year). This consensus is lately generaly accepted by serbian clubs and coaches as well, that's why everyone is laughing at Vujoševič's attitude/arogance.


And Uleb only wants to make money and they don´t look at tradtion and only favour big european clubs form countries with money. And do you realy think slovenia deserv a spot in the Uleb Cup? Who will play there perhpas Slovan? or Domzale with 3 point god Robert Troha? .
known fact.
With settling 3 countries in one league, giving them 3 Uleb Cup spots, Uleb saved at least few spots for Uleb back than. Tax system was a bit more generous back than over here and Krka with Laško didn't have any troubles getting to playoffs, Croatia had 1-2 spots and Serbia had 2 over a long period.
Slovenia right now definately doesn't deserve an UlebCup spot, but would anyway get one, since we gave up on 2 regular spots 3 years ago, do you really believe those 3 spots would be divided any different than 1/1/1? just as you said Uleb isn't interested in tradition, quality bothers them to some extention, but money is still the no.1...


Serbian league is 10 times better as the others form the ex-Yugoslavia. But it is nice to play the NLB, because of teams like Cibona, Zadar, Olimpija and Bosna. But what happend with Teams like Olimpija and Bosna is sad they would not be able to be 5th in Serbia, perhaps Olimpija but Bosna would be at the best case 8th.
Serbian league is by far the best in ex-Yu, while you're getting the wrong picture from NLB perspective. If Olimpija would be 100% dedicated to NLB (as Partizan was the past 2 seasons)they'd right now be somewhere among top5 teams, but still it's a known fact Olimpija's sponsors consider euroleague as by far more important competition... let alone this is the worst team Olimpija has in the past 15-20 years.
With a different taxation, things would get different really fast. While sportsman get taxed 10 % of revenues in Serbia (at least I believe so), 25% in Croatia, Slovenian wise guys have invented a 50% taxation which brings us just on the same level as Germany and France- and because of that we share the same mediocracy in every view, since noone wants to invest in sport anymore. with the 25% taxation we've had at the begining of the adriatic league, we had 3 fairly strong teams at aproximately the same level best serbian clubs are right now. Hopefully this would change soon, since it obviously (not only in basketball) that sport can't get enough founds for any kind of results.


Perhaps the league is quality enough to have 14 teams but then we have to gave 6 or 7 places to serbian clubs and 3 to croatian clubs, because nobody wants to see Split anymore in this league. But perhaps Maljkovic will come back and bring with him some serbians which knows how to get a could team and make players which good be stars.
Every year Split brings reinforcements for the Croatian league, while they're mediocre in adriatic league... I know.. but qualifications would be the answer- if that means 8 serbian clubs, so be it if that means 8 croatian clubs, so be it, if that means 8 slovenian clubs, hell probably just freezed over and number of clubs doesn't matter anymore anyway :D ...but still okay with me;)

Buducnost PG
01-07-2007, 03:47 PM
not really, Kia, NLB, Sava tires/goodyear, mobitel, Adria airways and And1, all slovenian based companies (which btw. gives you a good explanation why Slovenia will never participate with less than 2 club- not fair from competition point of view though, I know) would keep on going.
without serbian clubs their investment in this league would drop, but just as the costs would and the wholesituation would've stay the same.
The league would definately loose enormously in the competition point of view- I definately agree with you on this one.
But I believe in Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia there is a general consensus about the neccesity of this league (or better said positive things that prevail over own national championship though the whole year). This consensus is lately generaly accepted by serbian clubs and coaches as well, that's why everyone is laughing at Vujoševič's attitude/arogance.


Agree. And Slovenia has potencial for two teams. But not for 3. Every year there are to teams which deserv to play the league. Olimpija is always there and then as it was last year Slovan and this year Domzale. And there are also positiv things about NLB that´s right but we don´t have to stay on that we have to do the best out of this league and try to get the level higher from year to year.


known fact.
With settling 3 countries in one league, giving them 3 Uleb Cup spots, Uleb saved at least few spots for Uleb back than. Tax system was a bit more generous back than over here and Krka with Laško didn't have any troubles getting to playoffs, Croatia had 1-2 spots and Serbia had 2 over a long period.
Slovenia right now definately doesn't deserve an UlebCup spot, but would anyway get one, since we gave up on 2 regular spots 3 years ago, do you really believe those 3 spots would be divided any different than 1/1/1? just as you said Uleb isn't interested in tradition, quality bothers them to some extention, but money is still the no.1...


I don´t know how this was before NLB. But if i untersand you right then Slovenia had 2 spots, croatia 1 and Serbia 2. So that mean 5 spots and only 3 now? So our clubs got robbed again by Uleb here. I am right? And you would became one place, croatia one and serbia most likely 2. But the question would be how long a slovenian club could hold this one place.


Serbian league is by far the best in ex-Yu, while you're getting the wrong picture from NLB perspective. If Olimpija would be 100% dedicated to NLB (as Partizan was the past 2 seasons)they'd right now be somewhere among top5 teams, but still it's a known fact Olimpija's sponsors consider euroleague as by far more important competition... let alone this is the worst team Olimpija has in the past 15-20 years.

So they are building a team for the EL and then are not focus enough for NLB? Perhaps they could do better, but now way that Olimpija is better when we talk about quality as FMP or Hemofarm. Olimpija easily could end up 5th in serbian league behind the 4 teams which play in NLB. But they could be also first. So Serbia has 4 teams on the same level as slovenians best. And that why in serbia the clubs were working good with the youngsters.


With a different taxation, things would get different really fast. While sportsman get taxed 10 % of revenues in Serbia (at least I believe so), 25% in Croatia, Slovenian wise guys have invented a 50% taxation which brings us just on the same level as Germany and France- and because of that we share the same mediocracy in every view, since noone wants to invest in sport anymore. with the 25% taxation we've had at the begining of the adriatic league, we had 3 fairly strong teams at aproximately the same level best serbian clubs are right now. Hopefully this would change soon, since it obviously (not only in basketball) that sport can't get enough founds for any kind of results.


I don´t agree here. That plays a role. But the case is that the serbian clubs are not buying a lot and expensive players, because they have no money. We are in front while we are working better with the youngsters and then benefit from that. And this is the most important fact which makes serbian clubs better. And as i wrote before a month or two your clubs have there time when serbian clubs were recovering from the bad situation in the country after the war against the UCK terrorists in Kosovo and the situation around Slobodan Milosevic.


Every year Split brings reinforcements for the Croatian league, while they're mediocre in adriatic league... I know.. but qualifications would be the answer- if that means 8 serbian clubs, so be it if that means 8 croatian clubs, so be it, if that means 8 slovenian clubs, hell probably just freezed over and number of clubs doesn't matter anymore anyway ...but still okay with me

Yes they do this, but croatia will have only 3 teams in the next year so that they would be out i hope. The team of them is grap. Young players without talent only Rudez shows something. Kedzo is the leader of them but he also is not a player which could play in a big club. Perhaps in this years team from Domzale he would be a good fit but not more. Slovan is also bad as Split but we see talented kids there. Vidmar is a nice prospect how could become a very good player. Preldzic can´t shoot but seems to be a perfect Pointforward which is a good rebounder, defender and als good passer for his position.

And the best would be a 2nd league of NLB. This NLB is not a bad thing and it would not be to see this in every kind of sport. But then we have to give equal chances for everybody and also gets what we deserv from ULEB or would it be in handball EHF and so on. So in basketball Uleb is pushing us to play this league and is not giving us a spot in the EL or even a chance to get one. Perhaps EL and Uleb Cup will be played with 32 teams each in some years and the a league as it is the german league will have two sure places, because there is a big market. But that the league is very weak is not interesting Uleb. Even now it is unfair that France has 2 places and Russia only 1 or Italy 4. They have to make a system were countries can earn points and then have the opportunity to have 2 or 3 teams in EL and some others which are higher ranked lose there spots if there teams play bad for example italy.

PHILIPeurobasket
01-07-2007, 08:05 PM
Some sites in Poland write that new PG in Anwil Wloclawek will be Vrbica Stefanov :) He will repleace Mark Dickel .... do you hear something about that :confused: What is now with Stefanov :confused:

Buducnost PG
01-07-2007, 08:58 PM
Some sites in Poland write that new PG in Anwil Wloclawek will be Vrbica Stefanov :) He will repleace Mark Dickel .... do you hear something about that :confused: What is now with Stefanov :confused:

And why are you asking the question here? Stefanov is a free player. He was with Zvezda at the begining of the season but leave them becuase problems in his natvie counry FYROM. He lost a lot of money in a business i heard. His women is gone. So he definetly could use some money from Anwil.;) He would be a huge transfer for them and a good one. Stefanov would be one of the beste players in your league. But i don´t know if he is in shape after not playing basketball for 3-4 months.

bosnaASA
01-08-2007, 12:15 AM
Some sites in Poland write that new PG in Anwil Wloclawek will be Vrbica Stefanov :) He will repleace Mark Dickel .... do you hear something about that :confused: What is now with Stefanov :confused:
stefanov was in really big, big problems, not only that he left zvezda just before the first round of adriatic league, but he didn't play for his national team either, and he was their first play, which tells much about his quality, but i guess it will take him much time to get back on track.

PHILIPeurobasket
01-08-2007, 05:27 AM
Ok, thanks guys for answer ... and sorry for off-topic, but Stefanov play in Adriatic league, and this is thread about this league ;)

bosnaASA
01-17-2007, 04:18 PM
Wednesday, 17.01.2007. @ 14:49
Bosna ASA BHT signed Mujo Tuljković
Although the management of Bosna ASA BHT didn't plan bringing any new players in the near future, the club did an exception in the case of the ex-player Mujo Tuljković. He signed until the end of the season while a younger player Suad Šehović was loaned to Vogošća for the same period.

elaj
01-17-2007, 04:18 PM
After Ben Ebong was confirmed to be a new player of Split on Tuesday, the club continued the rhythm of changing the roster. A day later a new reinforcement was announced, this time a much more reknown player Ellias Larry Ayuso (185, 30), member of the national team of Portorico.

The line-up of Split is short for Franko Kaštropil and Marin Han, who split with the club on Wednesdayand are free-agents now. Besides, Damjan Rudež will not be able to play for teh next two weeks duw to an injury of his arm.

Siroki Prima pivo is testing Zeljko Zupic ex AEP Olimpiada Patron.

Siroki Prima pivo decided to send on loan two of their youngsters. Tomislav Ramljak will continue this season in BC Posusje while Marko Lovric will join BC Zrinjski MC.

The head-coach of Zagreb Zdravko Radulović decided to replace Aleksej Nešović, who left the club at the end of the previous year, with a player, who is already known to Zagreb fans. It is Kenny Taylor, who returned to the club from Trnsko signing the contract until the end of the season.

It took only a few days before Split announced the signing of a new player after suffering a severe defeat against Zagreb at home on Saturday. The newcomer is the point-guard Petar Ćosić who signed until the end of the 2007/08 season.

Cibona decided to part ways with USA guard Jerry
McCullough and added Ivan Tomas.

Geoplin Slovan is negotiating with Carlos Morban from Feni. He is a former member of Dominican Republic national team and one of the best scorers in Macedonian League.

Marko Milič went from Olimpija to Real Madrid (loaned + buyout).

Here are some of the latest market news in Adriatic League (some of them are quite old, but I've just collected all of them).

Some really decent signings by Split (Ayuso), Kaštropil splitted with Split because of the money and low minutes he got in Split... He is an interesting player, I wonder what his next destination could be...:rolleyes:

Buducnost PG
01-20-2007, 08:58 AM
Milenko Topic is back for Hemofarm after his suspension last before 10 days.

bosnaASA
01-20-2007, 09:50 AM
Union Olimpija signed Lance Williams, ex player of Bosna ASA BH Telecom. After leaving Bosna, Williams paused for a while till he found a new club, Greek AEL Larissa and left it after a while (they dind't give him money:D ). Williams wanted to return to Bosna ASA, but it wasn't possible since Bosna already had Rahimic.

PHILIPeurobasket
01-20-2007, 09:54 AM
Wednesday, 17.01.2007. @ 14:49
Bosna ASA BHT signed Mujo Tuljković
Although the management of Bosna ASA BHT didn't plan bringing any new players in the near future, the club did an exception in the case of the ex-player Mujo Tuljković. He signed until the end of the season while a younger player Suad Šehović was loaned to Vogošća for the same period.

Mujo ... ehhh everyone think that he will be play in Czarni Slupsk. Team president booked for him tickets, send to him visa, and he say NO :D Mujo is great... He work in Poland not legal in last season, he fight in club and was on police, he broke contract with Turow Zgorzelec, and now with Czarni :D

ziv
01-20-2007, 10:01 AM
can anyone explain the connection between the serbian election and the schedule change.
there are still serbian teams playing abroad. there are serbian teams playing both on saturday and sunday. why was this change made?

bosnaASA
01-21-2007, 01:15 AM
can anyone explain the connection between the serbian election and the schedule change.
there are still serbian teams playing abroad. there are serbian teams playing both on saturday and sunday. why was this change made?
radicals vs. democrats:D they could have made a fight during the game on the election day, for the given reason, so the schedule was changed:D
just kiddin', i've red this 'explanation' somewhere, and i really had to share it with you:cool:

bosnaASA
01-26-2007, 08:24 AM
Union Olimpija signed Lance Williams, ex player of Bosna ASA BH Telecom. After leaving Bosna, Williams paused for a while till he found a new club, Greek AEL Larissa and left it after a while (they dind't give him money:D ). Williams wanted to return to Bosna ASA, but it wasn't possible since Bosna already had Rahimic.
after long negotiations, lance williams finally rejected olimpija because of their lack of money. so he's still a free player and bosna still doesn't want him:rolleyes:

Joško Poljak Fan
01-26-2007, 11:25 AM
after long negotiations, lance williams finally rejected olimpija because of their lack of money. so he's still a free player and bosna still doesn't want him:rolleyes:
how come?:D

some people say he is already on his way to Poland to Turow.

as much as Rahimič can be valuable in offense, he is a black hole in defense, so Williams would definately be a roster upgrade for Bosna...


Zvezda got Jorovič, I doubt theystill have much chances for top4, but it will be welcomed in serbian national championship and 2nd stage of Uleb.

again all 3 teams from adriatic league managed to qualify to the UC playoffs. Zvezda will have a tough time with Khimki which is loaded with declining but still great players, depends on what will happen in Pionir. 7000 delija fans and the atmosphere could bring Zvezda to a decisive advantage...
Hemofarm got another tough opponent in Unics. Hemofarm advancing would be a serious surprise, since i think Unics is being considered as one of the top favorites to win it all this year (after Dynamo, another russian team? Uleb wake up... :rolleyes: )
Železnik is the only team that can be considered as a favourite, although you never know with the spaniards.

with Partizan and Cibona potentially in top16, this might be a good year for ex "goodyear league".

PHILIPeurobasket
01-26-2007, 01:47 PM
New players in Crvena Zvezda
Branko Jorovic (205-F-81) finally signed contract with Red Star. After couple of months long negotations, Red Star management agreed the price that would have to pay to FMP Zeleznik and signed 2+1 years long contract with national team forward. 'Red-whites' are working hard to make the team which will be able to win the title of Serbian champion. Last time when Red Star finished first was 9 years ago. Second import player should be former Vojvodina center - Stewart Kebu (205-F/C-73, college: Cal.St.-Bakersfield). Stewart is expecting to sign with Crvena Zvezda in March after finishing contract in South Korea.

elaj
01-26-2007, 03:34 PM
Jakov Vladović splitted with Zadar.

woma
01-26-2007, 03:53 PM
Jakov Vladović splitted with Zadar.
This is very interesting news, for me he is way too good to just cancel his contract and leave. Can anybody (Picek?) write what is going on there?

a.i.
01-27-2007, 07:17 AM
Don't know if you've already seen this. Doesn't explain much but still...

http://crobasket.com/main.asp?P=Vijest&hn=naslovnica&J=ENG&VijestID=12607

bosnaASA
01-31-2007, 10:16 PM
sasa vasiljevic left bosna asa to menorca, he is leaving tomorrow morning

elaj
02-02-2007, 09:31 AM
sasa vasiljevic left bosna asa to menorca, he is leaving tomorrow morning
Bosna ASA signed JR Bremer as replacement for Saša Vasiljević.

Manu Ginobili
02-02-2007, 09:41 AM
Bosna ASA signed JR Bremer as replacement for Saša Vasiljević.
interesting,Bremer was realy disappointing in his european career t'il now,but obiously he is a good player with qualities,especially for a club like Bosna.

bosnaASA
02-02-2007, 11:21 AM
interesting,Bremer was realy disappointing in his european career t'il now,but obiously he is a good player with qualities,especially for a club like Bosna.he is supposed to play today, just like llorea played the first day he arrived;)

woma
02-02-2007, 12:00 PM
It's kind of strange news, I was told that players will rather leave Bosna Sarajevo than signing with them, since they have money issues... If I am wrong, Bremer should be a very good addition...

bosnaASA
02-02-2007, 01:45 PM
he is supposed to play today, just like llorea played the first day he arrived;)
bremer isn't coming today, he has some problems with paok releasing him, but he definitely signed bosna and will be here in a few days.

elaj
02-03-2007, 01:18 PM
After days of negotiations during which Jakov Vladović claimed he will leave Zadar because he is not satisfied with the whole situation in the club things turned positive for bith sides. Names Vladović decided to stay and joined the team on the way to Ljubljana.

»He is back in the team and the captain again,« confirmed the head-coach Petar Popović Todor Gečevski was therefore the captain for a singe game, the one against Helios.I really don't know what's going on there...

HABIBI
02-04-2007, 10:36 AM
Hey guys,Emir Pledric delivered last night 11 assists!Not bad for a 2.06 cm player,no?Did anybody watch this game?Could you give me some information about his game style???

elaj
02-04-2007, 10:48 AM
Hey guys,Emir Pledric delivered last night 11 assists!Not bad for a 2.06 cm player,no?Did anybody watch this game?Could you give me some information about his game style???
I didn't see this game. In my opinion his playing style is very similar to Boštjan Nachbar's. He needs to get stronger physically. Definitively is one of biggest prospects in this area.

Manu Ginobili
02-04-2007, 11:04 AM
I remember all draft sites wrote hi's biggest problem(after his weak body of course)with his game is passing abilities..

bosnaASA
02-04-2007, 01:01 PM
philadelphia 76'ers' third man was present at bosna's friday match against zagreb, he came to check out bavcic, to let him know that they haven't forgotten him. it is very much probable that bavcic is going to nba after finishing this season in bosna.
it is also very much probable that djedovic will continue his career in barcelona, if he's among the first 12 players, and if he's not, he will continue playing for bosna as barcelona's player (like he's doing now)

Manu Ginobili
02-04-2007, 04:29 PM
Why Barcelona should promise him place in their 12?
If you say so,they probably want him to develope and gain more experience before playing in a high level such as ACB..

bosnaASA
02-04-2007, 07:31 PM
Why Barcelona should promise him place in their 12?
If you say so,they probably want him to develope and gain more experience before playing in a high level such as ACB..i never said they should promise him a place in their 12, he'll only get that place if he deserves it and that's the only right way, but if he doesn't deserve that place next season, instread of just sitting on the bench, he'll play for bosna, till he gains enough knowledge and experience which is necessary for such a good league, with that much competition

PHILIPeurobasket
02-07-2007, 01:41 PM
Bojan Pelkić in Podgorica
Bojan Pelkić will be loan from Anwil Wloclawek to Buducnost Podgorica. Pelkic play for Anwil only 3 games, where he scored 6 points ...
Source: http://www.plk.pl/?sub=news&id=2593

elaj
02-07-2007, 03:38 PM
Split decided to suspend one of the club's most talented players Hrvoje Perić and already place him on the transfer list. If Perić receives a better offer from any other club, he is free to leave. It was said the club's management was not satisfied with his effort and his development so far. :eek:

Split management is fucking crazy! :eek:

Picek
02-08-2007, 02:17 AM
Split management is fucking crazy! :eek:
that's what happens when you have a former brainless center as a chairman :mad:
what to expect from a guy who's main job was to jump and to tip in the ball..
it's not like he was a scientist or something..

btw. Perić won't be coming back to Split..
I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Cibona..
in this season we are a kind of junkyard for old and used or young and problematic players, or for players without any talent whatsoever :D
but bring it on, atleast we will have enough players to organize a small four team five on five tournament during the training session

Joško Poljak Fan
02-08-2007, 11:54 AM
Aris is supposedly interested in Marton Bader for the second round of euroleague.

as for Split... is there really any chance they get on the old track?
With Pašalič, Ukič and Rančič i honestly believed there is... and yet even with those 3 they were regulary underperforming ending up among the last teams in euroleague.
If Split would get only 5% of money they spent on Hajduk they'd be a force... but I guess that's too much to expect.:mad:

rikhardur
02-13-2007, 08:23 PM
Partizan's coach Dušan Vujošević admitted today that the team has serious problems and accused the Serbian State of not giving (economic) support to the club.

Buducnost PG
02-13-2007, 08:27 PM
Partizan's coach Dušan Vujošević admitted today that the team has serious problems and accused the Serbian State of not giving (economic) support to the club.

They give all the money to Red Star. They try everything to make Red Star get the championship. Kebu Stewart (now in Korea) perhaps will get a Serbian passport, only that he can join Red Star. They have two foreigners for now and more are not allowed in Serbian league.

Picek
02-13-2007, 09:49 PM
Partizan's coach Dušan Vujošević admitted today that the team has serious problems and accused the Serbian State of not giving (economic) support to the club.
someone should tell him that Serbia isn't in socializm anymore..:D
nevermind his statements, everyone knows he is a clown.. :rolleyes:

Joško Poljak Fan
02-19-2007, 08:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOjKjlXwLAE&eurl=

...as Kobe explains to you if you'll listen carefully...

elaj
02-19-2007, 08:13 PM
I guess Radmanović and Vujačič had something to do with that. :D :) :D :)

bosnaASA
02-26-2007, 09:43 AM
Bosna signed Ernest Bremer, an NBA player, till the end of the season. At last game he had 16pts, 8 assists, 2 F, 10 Fa, 1 To, 4 Rebs.
The other news is that Bosna should sign Rizvic, but since he can't play here as a domastic player, he won't come (we already have 2 foreign players, so he can't play in domestc league). However, some say that he's still coming, so, guys, have you heard anything about this?

elaj
02-26-2007, 09:55 AM
Joke Vranković is the new headcoach of Široki Prima piva. Ivan Sunara will took over the youth system.

BosnaASA, here are just romours about Rizvič leaving Olimpija for Bosna ASA, nothing official (yet).

Joško Poljak Fan
02-26-2007, 09:58 AM
Bosna signed Ernest Bremer, an NBA player, till the end of the season. At last game he had 16pts, 8 assists, 2 F, 10 Fa, 1 To, 4 Rebs.
The other news is that Bosna should sign Rizvic, but since he can't play here as a domastic player, he won't come (we already have 2 foreign players, so he can't play in domestc league). However, some say that he's still coming, so, guys, have you heard anything about this?
only one internet site published it so far. I really doubt Olimpija would let him go, considering there aren't many capable players on the roster... and considering we are repeatedly loosing against Helios :rolleyes:

elaj
02-26-2007, 10:07 AM
only one internet site published it so far. I really doubt Olimpija would let him go, considering there aren't many capable players on the roster... and considering we are repeatedly loosing against Helios :rolleyes:
Rizvič confirmed he is unhappy with his situation in the club. Olimpija owes him alot of money. His future in the club will be solved today. Rizvič, his manager and the club officials will today meet and discuss what to do. :rolleyes:

bosnaASA
02-26-2007, 10:09 AM
only one internet site published it so far. I really doubt Olimpija would let him go, considering there aren't many capable players on the roster... and considering we are repeatedly loosing against Helios :rolleyes:people from Bosna confirmed that he would have arrived if it hadn't been for this basketball citizenship issue;)

Joško Poljak Fan
02-26-2007, 10:42 AM
people from Bosna confirmed that he would have arrived if it hadn't been for this basketball citizenship issue;)
:confused: he is bosnian with slovenian citizenship and can only play in Bosna as a foreigner? :confused:

thanks for the update elaj, no surprise there, they were playing vs. Helios like they were all sick of it... :rolleyes:

bosnaASA
02-26-2007, 10:49 AM
:confused: he is bosnian with slovenian citizenship and can only play in Bosna as a foreigner? :confused:

thanks for the update elaj, no surprise there, they were playing vs. Helios like they were all sick of it... :rolleyes:
i guess that citizenship and basketball citizenship aren't the same thing, are they (I'm only a female who never played basketball, so I don't know for sure:D )?

PHILIPeurobasket
02-26-2007, 03:35 PM
Joke Vranković is the new headcoach of Široki Prima piva.

http://www.adriaticbasket.com/vijesti.php?id=2772
Joke Vrankovic ... I remember this players when he play in Poland - good shooter/sniper :) He is really good from 6,25 line.

aralos10
02-27-2007, 10:15 PM
To our Serbian friends -- does anyone know why Vonteego Cummings hasn't played at Slovan? Is he injured or something? THX!

elaj
02-28-2007, 10:09 PM
Zagreb signed Dzevad Alihodzic... and I thought I will never see his disgusting style of play again. :D

Hasan Rizvić is close to sign with Bosna ASA, but Union Olimpija wont give him the letter of clearance yet. They will try to convince him to stay in Olimpija. According to his manager Enes Trnovčević - Rizvić wanted to cancel the contract with Olimpija and the manager didn't force him like some romours claimed.

bosnaASA
02-28-2007, 10:30 PM
To our Serbian friends -- does anyone know why Vonteego Cummings hasn't played at Slovan? Is he injured or something? THX!injured but slightly, vujosevic didn't want him to play then so that he can be fully recovered till the match with Joventut. besides that, slovan is one of the weakest teams in the league, so vujosevic didn't want to force the usual starters (he's resting them for euroleague:) )

PHILIPeurobasket
03-04-2007, 06:33 PM
According to the news agency B92 BC Crvena Zvezda parted ways with their head coach Dragan Sakota because they are not satisfied with results this season, especially after defeat over Union Olimpija which most probably destroyed every hope for Zvezda to reach 5th place and a spot for ULEB Cup next season through Adriatic league. The new head coach will be Stevan Karadzic who was Zvezda's assistant coach . With National Team 2002 in Indianapolis Karadzic was assistant coach of Svetislav Pesic and became Champion of the World. He was head coach of NT U19 on European Championship in Belgrade 2005 where also won gold medal.

KK_Bosna
03-04-2007, 11:50 PM
dragan sakota is no longer headcoach of red star. he is replaced by his assistant karadzic (yeah, the surname is famous)...

sakota is havin an offer from ACB league (bilbao)

elaj
03-17-2007, 02:28 PM
Aco Petrović is the new headcoach of Zadar after Petar Popović resigned.

Union Olimpija added Dwayne Lee and Marko Rakočević untill the end of the season. Both can play just in home championship, because the registration window for Adriatic League already passed.

Miloš Marković, the 23-year-old shooting guard, split with Hemofarm and will continue his career in Ukraine, with BC Himik.

rikhardur
03-18-2007, 06:44 PM
Full game torrent video:

Zadar vs Budućnost (17th March): http://www.sportbit.org/details.php?id=3703

elaj
03-23-2007, 02:20 PM
The assembly of Sidro accepted a year ago the decision that BC Rabotnički from FYROM will be given a wild-card for entering the NLB League in 2007/08 season if the club from Skopje will fulfill all the demands from the league. The board made the final decision on Friday confirming that BC Rabotnički is accepted into the NLB familiy.

»It was decided that on the basis of the NLB league's propositions regarding the extension of the league on a new country FYROM BC Rabotnički enters the NLB league in 2007/08,« said the general director of the NLB league Roman Lisac. Since Rabotnički is to finish a new sport's hall with a capacity of 8000 seats until spring 2008, teh NLB league approved that until then games will be played in a smaller one named Kale. Rabotnički also guaranteed to form a competitive team for the first season in the NLB League. BC Rabotnički will be given a wild-card.

Interesting. :)

woma
03-23-2007, 06:38 PM
I have a question - why TV Slovenia 2 is not airing any Adriatic League game this weekend?

Joško Poljak Fan
03-23-2007, 07:22 PM
I have a question - why TV Slovenia 2 is not airing any Adriatic League game this weekend?
1. because they are stupid
2. read the first paragraph again :D

in reality, they haven't payed enough for the broadcastings, I guess, if they would, they would probabaly broadcast more games to justify the costs...

elaj
03-23-2007, 08:00 PM
TV Slovenia 2 will show just taped game Zagreb - Union Olimpija on Sunday (at 16:00).

Why there is no live broadcasting of basketball... well, the scheme is already full of football (Slovenia - Albania qualification game), handball (1/4 finals of women CL - Krim Mercator - Slagse - second game), Ski Jumping (Planica), ice skating, ice hockey, ski runs and so on... :) ;)

elaj
03-24-2007, 10:01 PM
The last round of the NLB League played on Saturday was fatal for the Zagreb's coach Zdravko Radulović who was fired after the fourth defeat in a row, this time against Union Olimpija.

According to Radulović he wasn't fired because of the loss, some other things were in the background which he didn't want to tell. In my opinion Zagreb made a mistake.

Joško Poljak Fan
03-25-2007, 08:54 AM
well, Olimpija is in deep sh*t this season, but still underestimated instead of the other way around which ussually happens with teams in crisis- at least that could been said if Sakota and Radulović were fired due to their loss vs. Olimpija :rolleyes:

Slovan and Helios stayed close untill the last minutes, I was especially surprised Slovan composing such a resistance to Cibona...
Overall Slovenia managed to keep 3 spots for the next season.
Hopefully Slovan will get that 3rd spot, eventhough probably Laško or Krka might sign some reinforcements for the next stage they'd be hurting us in the next season if playing NLB, while Slovan keeping those youngsters without as many injuries as this year might be a competitive team.

Don't know what's with official NLB league page, but I've seen the last half of the game Bodučnost - Hemofarm and Morača was crowded with aprox. 4000 fans, definately not only 1500 visitors as the official page suggests.... sometimes I get the feeling they're just guessing the numbers.
Congratulations to Bodučnost for getting to Uleb Cup next year (unless Zvezda wins the serbian title) and filling up Morača (at least that I've noticed, must have been 3-4 years since that happened) again.

elaj
03-25-2007, 09:54 AM
Hopefully Slovan will get that 3rd spot, eventhough probably Laško or Krka might sign some reinforcements for the next stage they'd be hurting us in the next season if playing NLB, while Slovan keeping those youngsters without as many injuries as this year might be a competitive team.
Krka and Zlatorog can't sign reinforcements because the registration window for home championship was closed 10 days ago.;)

Joško Poljak Fan
03-25-2007, 10:22 AM
Krka and Zlatorog can't sign reinforcements because the registration window for home championship was closed 10 days ago.;)
cool, I thought they'd be on a spending spree...
this way I think Laško might have some chances for an upset, but with Nikolić slowely returning after his injury and as far as I heard Paravinja slowely starting to practice again, Slovan should get that 3rd spot...

bosnaASA
03-25-2007, 11:06 AM
Saturday, 24.03.2007. @ 21:30
Zagreb fired the coach Radulović
The last round of the NLB League played on Saturday was fatal for the Zagreb's coach Zdravko Radulović who was fired after the fourth defeat in a row, this time against Union Olimpija.
www.adriaticbasket.com

elaj
03-25-2007, 05:52 PM
Danijel Jusup is the new coach of Zagreb.

PHILIPeurobasket
03-25-2007, 05:56 PM
Danijel Jusup is the new coach of Zagreb.

Danijel Jusup old good coach ... I remember Jusup from Wloclawek, when I play in Anwil young team he was coach - he is great strategy coach, crazy coach like Urlep = basketball is his all life! No time for family etc. only basketball

Buducnost PG
03-25-2007, 05:57 PM
So season is over and we again saw a serbo(montnegrin) domination in the last years. We again saw a great team from split.:D I hope to see them back next year in the league.:D

1. FMP 21 / 5
2. Cibona 20 / 6
3. Partizan 20 / 6
4. Hemofarm 18 / 8
5. Budućnost 16 / 10
6. Crvena zvezda 15 / 11
7. Zadar 14 / 12
8. Helios Domžale 13 / 13
9. Union Olimpija 13 / 13
10. Bosna ASA BHT 10 / 16
11. Široki Prima pivo 9 / 17
12. Zagreb 8 / 18
13. Geoplin Slovan 3 / 23
14. Split CO 2 / 24

5 from the first 6 teams played in the SM league last year. Again a poor season for Zadar and especially for Bosna. Also Olimpija was bad again and were not able to get under the first 8. The Slovan youngsters improved much after they were totaly lost at the begining of the season.

Joško Poljak Fan
03-26-2007, 02:21 PM
5 from the first 6 teams played in the SM league last year. Again a poor season for Zadar and especially for Bosna.
Zadar was relatively good in the begining, but in second half of the season fall from 4th to 7th place. Johnson played few times worse than last season, while English didn't proove to be the reinforcement Zadar expected especially with his effort in defense and he tended to dissapear against the upper half teams, while no need to say dropping 30+ on Split or Slovan wasn't some kind of tough job.
Overall as much as I believe Zadar could be up there with the best 5 teams by quality they underperformed- just as Zvezda did.

As far for Bosna, with Gilbert, Rizvić, Rahimić and Bremer playing whole season the story might've been different, while 10th place is objective imo...

Helios surprised me, in the second half of the season no team has truely outplayed them and lost most of the games in the last minutes. Two losses with Zagreb costed them participating in uleb Cup. I think they'll keep the core of the team, but loosing Pavič might be a hard blow for them in any case next season.

The team that surprised me the most is definately Bodučnost and they can only improve next season.

Olimpija was killed by their short bench. They've started bad, Kuzminskas and Maraker could hardly contribute in NLB (let alone in euroleague), Ožbolt injured again and finally Rizvič, Milič and Arslan leaving, troubles with Zupan's transfer... and you can't play in euroleague along with strong championship with 4-5 players only (Climamio as the second example). It was really painfull watching the team, realising that with 2-3 more bench players (imbecils left Drobnjak go last season :rolleyes: and it's only Dragiša Drobnjak we're talking about) the team would be able to win quite some more (in EL and NLB).
In any case I'd expect Olimpija to be a whole another team next season.

It's interesting how Nešović's game improved after leaving Zagreb for a top4 team like Hemfarm, as if it's happen the other way around.

Buducnost PG
03-26-2007, 04:20 PM
Zadar was relatively good in the begining, but in second half of the season fall from 4th to 7th place. Johnson played few times worse than last season, while English didn't proove to be the reinforcement Zadar expected especially with his effort in defense and he tended to dissapear against the upper half teams, while no need to say dropping 30+ on Split or Slovan wasn't some kind of tough job.
Overall as much as I believe Zadar could be up there with the best 5 teams by quality they underperformed- just as Zvezda did.

As far for Bosna, with Gilbert, Rizvić, Rahimić and Bremer playing whole season the story might've been different, while 10th place is objective imo...

Helios surprised me, in the second half of the season no team has truely outplayed them and lost most of the games in the last minutes. Two losses with Zagreb costed them participating in uleb Cup. I think they'll keep the core of the team, but loosing Pavič might be a hard blow for them in any case next season.

The team that surprised me the most is definately Bodučnost and they can only improve next season.

Olimpija was killed by their short bench. They've started bad, Kuzminskas and Maraker could hardly contribute in NLB (let alone in euroleague), Ožbolt injured again and finally Rizvič, Milič and Arslan leaving, troubles with Zupan's transfer... and you can't play in euroleague along with strong championship with 4-5 players only (Climamio as the second example). It was really painfull watching the team, realising that with 2-3 more bench players (imbecils left Drobnjak go last season :rolleyes: and it's only Dragiša Drobnjak we're talking about) the team would be able to win quite some more (in EL and NLB).
In any case I'd expect Olimpija to be a whole another team next season.

It's interesting how Nešović's game improved after leaving Zagreb for a top4 team like Hemfarm, as if it's happen the other way around.


It is every year the same. They could be 5th or 4th bu they never are.:D And Zadar was also at the 4 places beacuse they had played against most of the strong opponents at home in the first half of the season. They are a team wihtout a bench. They had the chance to concentrate them on one week per game, while the serbian teams were playing EL and Uleb Cup and they again fail to succed, because they have no quality in their roster as the serbian teams. They have two foreigners (i don´t see Gecevski as a foreigner) and all 4 teams of serbia had 2.:cool:

Joško Poljak Fan
03-26-2007, 04:38 PM
It is every year the same. They could be 5th or 4th bu they never are.:D And Zadar was also at the 4 places beacuse they had played against most of the strong opponents at home in the first half of the season. They are a team wihtout a bench. They had the chance to concentrate them on one week per game, while the serbian teams were playing EL and Uleb Cup and they again fail to succed, because they have no quality in their roster as the serbian teams. They have two foreigners (i don´t see Gecevski as a foreigner) and all 4 teams of serbia had 2.:cool:
true as you say, they had tougher schedule in the 2nd half and underperformed... but still, they managed to loose the decisive games vs. Helios and Slovan- games you shouldn't loose if you're actually planning to advance to UlebCup...
they invested quite some ammount of money (for NLB) and ended up with croatian cup only, while I think Cibona will get back on feet for the championship and Zadar will be left out without championship either...
...as you said story repeating year after year- same with Cibona's underperforming and Olimpija ending up 9th, 10th in adriatic league....

btw. I think all teams in NLB league that are playing only 1 game per week, should get back to their national championship playing that 2nd game per week. Slovenian teams have done so this year, it panned out just fine, while i think that worth of trying for other teams/leagues as well...

Buducnost PG
03-26-2007, 05:36 PM
btw. I think all teams in NLB league that are playing only 1 game per week, should get back to their national championship playing that 2nd game per week. Slovenian teams have done so this year, it panned out just fine, while i think that worth of trying for other teams/leagues as well...

Perhaps they can do this. But it is still another thing if you play uleb cup or EL then play against Slavonski Brod for example. FMP, Hemofarm, Partizan and Zvezda had a much tougher schedule then Zadar playing only one game per week. Without Zvzeda all other serbian teams were a lot better then Zadar. If Gurovic played in all games then they would also be clear better.

Zadar is on the level of Vojvodina Novi Sad and not on that of the serbian teams. The interesting thing ist that the serbian teams had not the money as the last year (only Zvezda get a higher budget) and they still dominat the league. I hope the next season will be the same.:cool: ;)

Joško Poljak Fan
03-27-2007, 12:39 PM
sweet...
sportklub will broadcast Cibona-Partizan today, FMP-Hemofarm tommorow, Partizan-Cibona on thursday and Hemofarm-FMP on Friday:cool:
less beer more basketball... my expenses will go down drastically this week

elaj
03-27-2007, 08:45 PM
First playoff semi final game ended... Cibona was already up by +15, but then Partizan came back to the game and it was quite close game for the last 5 minutes.

Cibona : Partizan 76:69 (57:55, 43:32, 29:15) /1:0/
Wright 18, Krasić 18, Kus 14; Drobnjak 19, Peković 16

Joško Poljak Fan
03-27-2007, 09:09 PM
Cibona should've won by bigger margin... but just as usuall they completely impressed in 20+5 minutes and completely unimpressed in the rest of the game... they were actually lucky, eventhough they were almost one class better opponent today. Anzulović had a lot to do with it imho, I don't know if he wanted to spare Wisniewski and Krašić for the next game or not, but during that 23-5 (or sth. like that) run of Partizan he could easily change it sending those two on court, instead of insisting with Bader and Tomas letting Partizan come close, when he made that substitution the game switched immediately... yet another occasion when I can't guess what in the world is going on in Anzulović's brain...

Partizan will win it in Belgrade, but I can't see them winning the 3rd game in Zagreb- if Kukovica was right they haven't won there for the past 18 years and i don't think it's likely to happen this season either.


...I still can't believe how Cibona managed to loose all games against Roma, Unicaja and Joventut on the road, I do believe they were clearly better than three teams listed above in the regular stage of euroleague.

Euroleague level is dropping, adriatic league level is staying the same/slightly improving... few more years and some more € and we're back in business jumping on Bertomeo's ugly head...

elaj
03-28-2007, 06:30 PM
FMP - Hemofarm 77:73 (http://www.adriaticbasket.com/stats.php?gameid=183&sez=)

Paulius
03-28-2007, 06:52 PM
FMP - Hemofarm 77:73 (http://www.adriaticbasket.com/stats.php?gameid=183&sez=)

Two strong teams had beated. Cvetkovič had a good game. FMP must go the finals. We saw that in Vilnius and Zheleznik.

elaj
03-29-2007, 08:12 PM
Partizan : Cibona 85:76 (15:24, 40:47, 65:57)
Drobnjak 15, Veličković 14, Perović 12; Wright 14, Tomas 13 (http://www.adriaticbasket.com/stats.php?gameid=186&sez=)