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rikhardur
06-16-2008, 02:49 PM
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Some preliminary squads have been revealed (do you guys know about more?):



Serbia captured gold as hosts of last year's FIBA U19 World Championship in Novi Sad under coach Miroslav Nikolic and now, most of the same players will try to duplicate the success in Europe.

This time, though, the players will be led by Slobodan Klipa, a man who has thrived as boss of FMP Belgrade.

While he is fully aware of how difficult this year's U20 European Championship will be in Riga, Klipa is nevertheless expecting big things from the squad.

"It is really great for our basketball that Nikolic created a new, successful generation from which several players are already candidates for our senior national team, and one is already in their preliminary list," Klipa said.

That player is Hemofarm center Boban Marjanovic, who is also still a member of under-20 squad.

"But, we are also in front of another huge challenge, and our task won't be easy this summer", Klipa said.

The new head coach of the Serbian under-20 team picked 25 players for a training camp.

Milan Macvan, the MVP of last year's U19 World Championship, is among the talented players in Klipa's squad.

"We want to achieve a good result at the European Championship, that's our task as team which came from Serbia," Klipa said.

After the training camp, which will finish on June 26, Klipa will trim his squad for three friendlies with Greece and the Borislav Stankovic Cup in China from July 17-20.

Serbia will eventually face Russia, Slovenia and France in Latvia.

Serbia preliminary squad for U20 European Championship: Miroslav Raduljica (FMP Zeleznik), Boban Marjanovic (Hemofarm), Milan Macvan (Hemofarm), Bojan Radetic (Borac), Slaven Cupkovic (Masinac), Marko Cakarevic (Asvel, France), Sava Lesic (Vizura), Danilo Sibalic (Vojvodina), Marko Krstic (Beovuk), Marko Keselj (Koeln, Germany), Petar Despotovic (Hemofarm), Nikola Koprivica (University of Washington, USA), Mladen Jeremic (FMP), Pedja Stamenkovic (Borac), Dusan Katnic (Mega Aqua Monta), Stefan Stojacic (Mega Aqua Monta), Stafan Sinovec (Vizura), Ilija Pavkovic (Vojvodina), Igor Krasnic (Crvena Zvezda), Aleksandar Radulovic (Masinac), Miljan Radisavljevic (Borac), Krsto Bjelica (Buducnost), Ivan Jovanovic (Zdravlje), Vuk Malidzan (Basket plus) and Nikola Maravic (Mega Aqua Monta).
http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_ilCbrif-IqgbPQC8Dk,wL2.articleMode_on.container_frontpage. html


Slovenia coach Miro Alilovic has picked a 17-strong preliminary squad for this summer's U20 European Championship in Riga and there are a couple of familiar names in it.

Klemen Lorbek, the younger brother of Slovenia internationals Erazem and Domen, has been included. Also named is Zoran Dragic, whose brother Goran last summer helped fire Slovenia into July's FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament in Greece.

The group will gather at the Slovenia ski resort of Rogla to begin its preparations for the Championship in Latvia where they will take on Russia, France and Serbia in Group D.

The players that were invited are: Luka Lapornik (Alpos Sentjur), Dejan Mlakar, Sinisa Bilic, Zoran Dragic, Jakob Virk (all Geoplin Slovan), Klemen Lorbek, Daniel Vujasinovic (both Hopsi Polzela), Boban Tomic (Hrastnik), Matija Trampus (Ilirija), Dejan Milasinovic (Jance), Grega Jakhel Kolarevic (Kraski zidar Sezana), Miha Markic (Luka Koper), Ilija Gavric (Mario Primorac), Klemen Muha (Misel Postojnska jama), Dejan Cigoja (Rogla), Dejan Radojevic (Union Olimpija), Edin Alispahic (Zlatorog Lasko).
http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_ckVDyFSiG2AUBrO1Xgg9B2.articleMode_on.contain er_frontpage.html

rikhardur
06-17-2008, 03:48 PM
Georgios Sigalas made his mark as a player with Greece's national team.

Now he has a chance to do the same as a coach.

Sigalas has been named boss of the team that will play at the U20 European Championship in Riga in August as a replacement for Manos Manouselis.

"It's a great honour and a great chance for me," Sigalas said.

"I begin a new effort in a team that has talented kids. It's a challenge for me.

"I know most of the players, but I will do my best to know each one better, so that I will not misjudge any of them."

Sigalas played 185 games with the men's national team and scored 1,487 points.

He will not be alone with the under-20 team.

"It's a field that I am going to need the help of the assistant, Yannis Eleftheriadis," Sigalas said.

"I want to give, to offer something to these kids while I am more than certain that I will gain a lot of them.

"I was always present when the national team called me and that hasn't changed. I always wanted to be a coach and I will try to offer something to Greek basketball in my new post. I want to help anyway I can."
http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_FLbYwmb5IlUxCKCt3pRGg0.container_frontpage.ar ticleMode_on.html

rikhardur
06-18-2008, 09:28 PM
'Coach Stefano Sacripanti called 15 players at the National Under 20 Team camp, to prepare tha European Championship 2008, scheduled for August 1-10 in Riga, Latvia. The camp will run from June 20 to 30 in Fermo (Ascoli Piceno). The list of the players called is as follows: Marco Ammannato (203-F/C-88) (Consum.it Siena), Giancarlo Ferrero (193-G-88, agency: Players Group) (Consum.it Siena), Pietro Aradori (192-G-88) (Lottomatica Roma), Daniele Bonessio (197-G/F-88) (Fileni Jesi), Giacomo Eliantonio (205-C-88) (Fileni Jesi), Lorenzo D'Ercole (190-G-88) (TD Shop.it Livorno), Marco Giuri (192-G-88) (TD Shop.it Livorno), Massimo Chessa (188-G-88) (Banco di Sardegna Sassari), Costantino Cutolo (199-G/F-89) (Everlast Firenze), Riccardo Castelli (202-F-88) (Tubosider Asti), Riccardo Malagoli (207-F/C-88) (Abc Castelfiorentino), Davide Rosignoli (202-F-88) (Robur et Fides Varese), Roberto Rullo (192-G-90) (Aget Imola), Giovanni Tomassini (190-G-88) (Edimes Pavia) and Valerio Mazzola (205-F/C-88) (Carife Ferrara).
http://www.eurobasket.com/ITA/ita.asp

elaj
06-18-2008, 11:31 PM
I have a bad feeling about this years Slovenia's squad. I hope we stay in A division.

Iverson.A
06-21-2008, 06:10 PM
In u20 Israel is allways a contender for the 6-1 spot, but this time, I have a bad feeling, we don't have Omri Casspi who's a major major player in the squad..

Hope we'll get in the 9-6 places.. that will satisfy me..

We got in a really tough group.. excellent Turkey and Italy,
but we got talents like Mekel and Anton Shutbin, should be enough to pass this group.. I think..

Oh god its going to be tough without Yogev Ohayon and Omri Casspi..

Levenspiel
06-26-2008, 11:50 PM
I came across our preliminary 18-man U20 squad for EC2008 somewhere. Looks like Barış Hersek was forgiven and included in the squad. Doğuş Balbay and İsmet Hacıoğlu was not listed, I don't know why.

The 21-man squad at the official website (http://fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/Default.asp?cid=%7B3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C%7D&teamID=376&compID=%7B792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4%7D&season=2008&roundID=6074&)

rikhardur
07-02-2008, 01:51 PM
Spain coach Gustavo Aranzana has named a 14-strong preliminary squad for the U20 European Championship in Latvia.

Power forward/center Victor Claver of Pamesa Valencia and shooting guard Marc Rubio of DKV Joventut are in the group that will gather for the first time on Monday in Valdemoro.

The team will travel to Luxembourg for a warm-up tournament (July 16-20) where they will play against Russia, France, Turkey and hosts Luxembourg.

Aranzana's team will then travel to France for another tournament (July 23-25).

Once the squad has been trimmed to 12 players, Spain will go to Riga and compete in a group with newly-promoted Montenegro, hosts Latvia and Bulgaria.

Spain finished runners-up to Serbia at last year's U20 European Championship.

Spain's preliminary squad: Joaquim Colom (L'Hospitalet), José A. Marco (Polaris World), Jorge Fernández (CB Granada), Raimundo López (Unicaja), Marc Rubio (Joventut) y Alez Llorca (L'Hospitalet), Xavi Forcada(L'Hospitalet), Xavi Rabaseda (WTC Cornellá), Víctor Claver (Pamesa Valencia), Pere Tomás (Joventut), Sergio de la Fuente (Grupo Capitol Valladolid), Pablo Aguilar (Real Madrid), Javier Vega (CB Fuenlabrada) and Óscar Raya (WTC Cornellá).
http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_clP-15IgIOoKEhyzs0puV1.container_frontpage.articleMode _on.html

rikhardur
07-02-2008, 02:29 PM
Nick Calathes is relishing the opportunity to try out for the Greece Under-20 team.

A college basketball star in America with the Florida Gators, the 6ft 6in Calathes is a third-generation Greek who was the co-SEC Freshman of the Year and the SEC's Newcomer of the Year this past season after averaging 15.3 points per game while setting a school record with 221 assists.

He led the SEC in assists per game at 6.1 per contest.

The youngster is a good bet to make the Greek team that will play at the U20 European Championship in Latvia from August 1-10.

He is now in Athens and gave this interview to fibaeurope.com.

FIBA Europe: You are in Greece and you have your Greek passport. Tell us what you think about this whole situation.

Calathes: I am truly excited to be here. I think it's a great opportunity for me to represent my family and my grandpa who meant a great deal to me. He was born here and just to represent my family is great

FIBA EUROPE: Did you ever think that it may not happen when you didn't have your passport?

Calathes: Sometimes the situation was back and forth, back and forth and I didn't really know what to expect. I was hoping that everything would end up fine, I would get my passport and I was going to play for Greece, something that happened in the end. I am here. The Hellenic basketball federation was close to us all the time. My father was speaking sometimes four to five times a week with people from the federation, and we knew what was going on. They wanted to keep us posted so that we didn't have to worry because of the delay."

FIBA Europe: Your father is very proud of both you and your brother, Pat, who also plays basketball.

Calathes: He's proud of both of us because he knows that we are hard workers. He knows that we'll work very hard in order to achieve our goals. Both me and my father believe that this is an opportunity and a great honour to be here. And the same goes for Pat. Maybe he will get to play in the Greek championship. Who knows?

FIBA Europe: What do you know about Greek basketball?

Calathes: I know a few things. I know Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, that these are like the big teams here. I am not that good with names... (laughing). And about players, I know (Theo) Papaloukas and (Vasilis) Spanoulis who has played for the Houston Rockets. But I haven't seen many of them. I will learn, though. Of course I know about the success of the national team and that upset of the United States in 2006 (in the FIBA World Championship semi-final). There are a lot of people still talking about that game."

FIBA Europe: What do you think you will gain from your experience here this year?

Calathes: First of all, I really wanted to play for Greece. I believe that this experience will help me not only as a player but as a person, too. I will be alone here, I will get to meet people. It will be a different, special experience and I already like Athens and Greece. I am looking forward to getting together with my team, my team-mates. To get to know them, to get along and I want to be able to help them in their effort.
http://www.fibaeurope.com/coid_ZKltHya9Iio6v0aDmIQtQ2.articleMode_on.contain er_frontpage.html

fasoulaki
07-02-2008, 06:39 PM
The president of the greek basketball federation stated that Kosta Koufos might join the greek U20 national team after the end of the NBA summer league.

http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/136995

Migelitas
07-02-2008, 08:12 PM
Lithuania U20 beat Poland U20 NT twice

Yesterday 72:68 (21:15, 16:15, 17:25, 18:13), Marius Valukonis (16 pt.), Martynas Gecevičius (14 pt.), Adas Juškevičius 12, Vaidas Čepukaitis 7 (7 rebs.), Žygimantas Janavičius 6, Rokas Ūzas 6, Vytenis Lipkevičius 3 Pranas Skurdauskas 3, Paulius Kleiza 2, Lukas Brazdauskis 2, Šarūnas Vasiliauskas 1 (6 asists.).

And today 87:68 (32:12, 15:26, 17:18, 19:12), Vytenis Lipkevičius (15 pt., 6 rebs., 4 asts., 4 st.). Evaldas Žabas 11, Marius Valukonis 11pt,9 rebs., 4 asists.), Arvydas Gydra 9, Vaidas Čepukaitis 7, Rokas Ūzas 7, Martynas Gecevičius 6, Pranas Skurdauskas 6, Darius Gvezdauskas 5, Paulius Beliavičius 4, Adas Juškevičius 4, Žygimantas Janavičius 2.

Iverson.A
07-04-2008, 07:42 PM
U20 Israel won U20 Russia 79-66

Oded Brendwin 18 points, Gal Mekel 14 points, Raviv Pishtuin with 6 reb, and Shawn Daniel with 10 points.


Coach Ariel Beit-Halhmi complained about bad refferies and about them fouling out players with stupid calls.


Great starting win, I heared Russia is very good, but when it comes to U20, Israel allways aims to the top :]

AND WE EVEN DON'T PLAY WITH CASSPI!


next game vs Germany and after that against Italy.

EL EL ISRAE HELL.

question: will Casspi will play eventuly in the torunement? or he's taking a break? I didn't understand nothing about him.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-04-2008, 08:33 PM
Slovenija : Czech Republic 82:51 (23:20, 21:10, 22:9, 16:12)

Strelci za Slovenijo: Tomič 3, Lapornik 2, Mulalić 15, Vujasinovič 6, Gavrič 7, Bilič 5, Muha 7, Z. Dragić 13, Čigoja 19, Trampuž 5.


Slovenija : Czech Republic 82:66 (17:16, 24:14, 21:19, 20:17)

Strelci za Slovenijo: Milašinovič 2, Tomič 10, Lapornik 11, Mulalić 13, Vujasinovič 4, Bilič 5, Muha 9, Z. Dragić 13, Čigoja 7, Alispahić 8.

elaj
07-04-2008, 09:20 PM
Slovenija : Czech Republic 82:51 (23:20, 21:10, 22:9, 16:12)

Strelci za Slovenijo: Tomič 3, Lapornik 2, Mulalić 15, Vujasinovič 6, Gavrič 7, Bilič 5, Muha 7, Z. Dragić 13, Čigoja 19, Trampuž 5.


Slovenija : Czech Republic 82:66 (17:16, 24:14, 21:19, 20:17)

Strelci za Slovenijo: Milašinovič 2, Tomič 10, Lapornik 11, Mulalić 13, Vujasinovič 4, Bilič 5, Muha 9, Z. Dragić 13, Čigoja 7, Alispahić 8.
I guess they are already practising for B division. :D

MAstER
07-05-2008, 09:26 AM
Greece has a very good squad and I think we can reach final. If Koufos decide to play for Greece this will be great

Iverson.A
07-05-2008, 09:37 AM
Kofus is just a monster from what I heared,
without Casspi, I don't think Israel can handle him,
but with Casspi.. hahahahah.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-05-2008, 11:58 AM
One player means nothing in these competitions... just as having Gallinari didn't mean anything for Italy last year, or missing Goran Dragič didn't mean anything for Slovenia 2 years ago... or Vujačič few years back... and the list goes on...

Toxicity
07-05-2008, 04:14 PM
One player means nothing in these competitions... just as having Gallinari didn't mean anything for Italy last year, or missing Goran Dragič didn't mean anything for Slovenia 2 years ago... or Vujačič few years back... and the list goes on...

Well, Danilo didn't play at the last U20 Euro Championship (where Italy took the bronze medal)...

BTW yesterday Italy U20 defeated Germany 87-79 behind 26 points from Pietro Aradori... without Gallinari (in USA) and Datome (1 years older than the competition) take a look at him as the go-to-guy of Italy (especially if Renzi doesn't recover well from his surgery)... yesterday he reminds me a little bit of a poor man's Antonello Riva thanks ot his strong body and good 3p shot... ;)

vaslover
07-05-2008, 09:01 PM
U20 Israel won U20 Russia 79-66

Oded Brendwin 18 points, Gal Mekel 14 points, Raviv Pishtuin with 6 reb, and Shawn Daniel with 10 points.


Coach Ariel Beit-Halhmi complained about bad refferies and about them fouling out players with stupid calls.


Great starting win, I heared Russia is very good, but when it comes to U20, Israel allways aims to the top :]

AND WE EVEN DON'T PLAY WITH CASSPI!

next game vs Germany and after that against Italy.

EL EL ISRAE HELL.

question: will Casspi will play eventuly in the torunement? or he's taking a break? I didn't understand nothing about him.
Don,t worry,as for us we played without Alex Shved as well. So i think, in this case we have paritet.

Iverson.A
07-06-2008, 05:41 AM
Israel 68: Italy 63.

Shutevin 18 points, daniel 14, brendwin 13.



omg.. we're so gonna regrat about not having Casspi. This year israel looks promising, but without our star, we will just look back and see "we got so far without him.. and we could go all the way with him"

somebody know if Omri will play the U20 tournement?

Iverson.A
07-07-2008, 04:42 AM
Israel got beaten,smashed,destroyed against the Germand- 83:49.
No statistics 'cause Italien statisticers went after their first game and left nothing.


well, no need to remember this game that's for sure.. :D

xtf_no4
07-17-2008, 09:13 PM
Currently, big U20 tournament in Luxembourg. Here are the results of the first 2 days.

Day 1
Turkey - Lithuania 82-85
Spain - Russia 69-57
France - Luxembourg 111-57

Day 2
Russia - Turkey 66-77
France - Lithuania 83-58
Spain - Luxembourg 110-94

France very strong so far, even playing without Batum, Ajinca and Beaubois. Kim Tillie is doing great.
Turkey also ok and Dogus Balbay at its best.
Luxembourg with a nice game against Spain losing by only 16 and hitting 16/27 3pointers

EugeneUkraine
07-17-2008, 10:20 PM
Friendly games:

Ukraine (U-20) - Israel (U-20) 78:79
Ukraine (U-20) - Israel (U-20) 93:70
Ukraine (U-20) - Israel (U-20) 77:55

elaj
07-19-2008, 11:18 AM
DAY 1 DOMEGGE U20 INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT: GREECE BEAT SLOVENIA IN THE LAST MINUTE, ITALY STRUGGLE AGAINST GEORGIA

GREECE - SLOVENIA 56-55

GREECE: Matalon 5, Limperopoulos 3, Michaloglou 2, Giannakidis 4, Giannopoulos, Sakellariou 8, Karavasanis, Kalathis 10, Tsairelis 13, Sigkounas 6, Athineu 3, Koukounias 2, Coach. Sigalas.
SLOVENIA: Trampus, Milasinovic, Tomic 3, Lapornik 1, Mulalic 13, Vujasinovic, Gavric 6, Bilic 2, Muha 11, Z. Dragic 19, Cigoja ne, Coach. Alilovic.

We open this tournament with a clash between two very promising teams, Greece and Slovenia. Both teams achieved very good stats in the end with players such as the Greeks Michail Tsairelis achieving an overall total points of 13 while his team mate Nicolaos Kalathis follows with 10 overall points while shooting 50% free throws.. Slovenia however keep the match secure thanks to Zoran Dragic achieving 19 overall points and 67% field goals. We easily noticed many mistakes form the Greeks but they made sure to never trailed too far behind.

Up to the last quarter only, during which we could not help but be amazed to the awakening and victory from Greece who had been loosing since the start of the match. Greece scored 23 points in the last quarter, the loud shouts and orders of the coach paying off as the players hammered through the Slovenian defense.


ITALY – GEORGIA 64-55

ITALY: Ammannato 4, Tomassini 2, Giuri 8, D’Ercole 3, Aradori 9, Bonessio 6, Rullo 8, Cutolo 5, Mazzola 11, Martinoni 3, Crow 5, Raspino, Coach. Sacripanti.
GEORGIA: Gulidabedashvili, Shengelia 10, Pirvelashvili ne, Tsivtsivadze 4, Tsekvava 8, Shermadini 21, Antadze ne, Jgerenaia 5, Gaprindashvili 2, Matiashvili 5, Nozadze ne, Patsatsia ne, Coach. Ustiashvili.

After a tight and intense match, Italy wins by maintaining a gap that kept on increasing from the second quarter. Throughout the match, we have experienced great plays and moves from both, particularly hunger to win from the forwards.

Rullo Roberto of Italy kept it up with a crazy dunk (one of only two from the Italy team) leaving the Georgians defenceless. Even though we did not not really pay attention to him at all times, he had this ability to reappear with dramatic ease. He managed 8 points overall with 50% from field while Valerio Mazzola helps Italy secure the victory with his 11 points overall.

From the Georgia side, Giorgi Shermadini standing at 7’1, reaches 21 points overall with 20 rebounds, 100% on free throws and 3 smashing dunks. Levan Shengelia follows with 10 points with 67% on free throws. An amazing Erekle Jgerenaia has more to show.

OVERALL

As the first day of the tournament brought us so much excitement, we were able to witness young talent and hardwork paying off, and we hope to see more as its draws toward the final. Today, we cannot wait but to see the outcome of the matches Greece - Georgia and Italy – Slovenia. More to come, same place.

I got this to my email, so I decided to share. :) It's a friendly tournament in Italy.

wardjdim
07-20-2008, 10:08 AM
we played without Alex Shved
I am going to boycott this tournament :)

penzias
07-20-2008, 01:35 PM
Victor Claver will finally join the spanish team. That makes Spain serious contender to the medals.


LITHUANIA, 93 (20+23+20+30): Janavicius (6), Vasiliauskas (5), Kleiza (7), Lipkevicius (2), Zyle (-), Zabas (21), Juskevicius (14), Brazdauskis (4), Valukonis (7), Gecevicius (7), Skurdauskas (10), Cepukaitis (10).

SPAIN, 65 (12+17+22+14): Marco (-), Rai López (7), Vega (3), Forcada (-), Tomás (5), Llorca (6), Rubio (4), Colom (5), Rabaseda (6), de la Fuente (6), Raya (5), Aguilar (18).

__________________________________________________ _______


FRANCE, 84 (15+21+21+27): Eïto (3), Heurtel (8), Diot (-), M’Baye (2), Houmounou (2), Sy (2), Casseus (2), Jackson (5), Seraphin (3), Tillie (19), Vaty (8), Moerman (30)

SPAIN, 76 (16+21+16+23): Marco (3), Rai López (2), Vega (4), Forcada (-), Tomás (7), Llorca (2), Rubio (5), Colom (10), Rabaseda (11), de la Fuente (7), Raya (2), Aguilar (23)

Srle
07-20-2008, 08:31 PM
It will be interesting championship. At least four teams can win tournament.

penzias
07-21-2008, 04:50 PM
The president of the greek basketball federation stated that Kosta Koufos might join the greek U20 national team after the end of the NBA summer league.

http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/136995
:eek:
Greece with Calathes and Koufos would be terrific.

Srle
07-21-2008, 04:59 PM
I cant bealive how they always put our team in worst group possible. And we are the champs. Thats outrage. Spain always have easiest group.Not just u20 but u18 too. FIBA Sucks.

xtf_no4
07-21-2008, 06:19 PM
It will be interesting championship. At least four teams can win tournament.
Which teams you consider as the four best then?

Srle
07-21-2008, 06:29 PM
Serbia,Spain,Turkey and Lithuania.Maybe Greece if Kofus is playing.

Buducnost PG
07-21-2008, 06:30 PM
Serbia,Spain,Turkey and Lithuania.Maybe Greece if Kofus is playing.

France is also strong. IMO they are stronger then Spain, Turkey and Lithuania.

Srle
07-21-2008, 06:31 PM
No Ajinca and Batum. Thats why I didnt put them as favorites.

xtf_no4
07-21-2008, 08:44 PM
Serbia,Spain,Turkey and Lithuania.Maybe Greece if Kofus is playing.

I saw Spain, Turkey and Lithuania this week in preparation. Turkey and Spain were not really good.

Of course Spain missed Claver but still, they seem less strong than other teams.

Turkey really was not good at all. Besides Balbay and Hersek, there is not a lot of talent in the team.

Lithuania was not impressive but won however all their games in the tournament except against France.

France was impressive though, even playing without Beaubois (who is with the Senior NT), Batum and Ajinca. They have a very impressive backcourt and can pressure every team in defense. Additionally, they have some guys to break zones.

For me, they looked like big favorites for the semis after what I saw from them.

Toxicity
07-22-2008, 10:12 PM
Greece just won the international tournament in Domegge defeating easily Italy in the final (beyond what the score, 73-81, suggests)... and without Koufos... regarding Italy, without Gallinari and Renzi we have just one good offensive player in this team, the poor man's Riva, Aradori (28 pts against Greece)... :(

Juan Carlos Nadal
07-22-2008, 11:21 PM
Koufos won't join the team after his injury earlier today which has forced the Jazz to forbid his participation in the games.

jwfish6
07-23-2008, 05:11 PM
I noticed Marjnanovic was not on final roster of u20 although he trained with them all the way through tournament in China? He is also not on the roster of senior NT for tournaments in Russian and China?

Srle
07-23-2008, 05:44 PM
I saw on Eurobasket.com but i dont bealive them. Nothing in Serbian press yet.If he is not on the roster than only explenation can be injury or something of that nature.

AlbionGate
07-24-2008, 06:00 PM
I don't believe them too because Radulovic and Cupkovic are no more candidats for the team, I think Klipa cut them to put in the team two more FMP players who were loan last year to Borac Cacak (Radetic and Stamenkovic). Moreover, on the Serbian U18 roster the journalist from Eurobasket.com writes that Bogdan Riznic plays in Argentina !!?

Srle
07-24-2008, 06:13 PM
Dont read from that site. They suck big time.

AlbionGate
07-24-2008, 06:26 PM
Srle, have you heard about Bakraclic ? He plays pretty well in Sloboda Uzice this year. He was in Hemofarm young squad before. Is he better than Lesic? this one can only score by shooting 3points. No rebounds, no skills in the paint. Cupkovic seems to be better than him. This year he and Radulovic had good games in Masinac. Are Radetic and Stamenkovic better than them ?
For me, our team is weak. Katnic seems not to be in good mood. No back up. Where is Djundjerski ???

On the PG position I mean

Srle
07-24-2008, 06:35 PM
I didnt watch that kid. To me Radetic is better than Lesic and Cupkovic. I watched him alot with Cacak. He had some good games. Very tough kid. But we are very tough on front court anyway. Macvan,Marjanovic and Raduljica are enough. Stamenkovic should make the squad. Our back court is not that good. Except Jeremic there is no promising players. Katnic and Stojacic are younger so there is hope for them. Still we are heavy favorites in my opinon.

Buducnost PG
07-24-2008, 06:39 PM
I wouldn´t worry about players like Radetic, Cupkovic and so on. Because nobody of them has the talent to become a good to great player. They are only in the squad because every team needs to have 12 players. It is much more important that players like Macvan, Marjanovic, Keselj, Raduljica and Jeremic show a good game.

AlbionGate
07-24-2008, 07:12 PM
If they are in the squad only to full the roster, we should have selected younger players such as Luka Mirkovic PF 208 89 who has great stats in High School this season. The famous NCAA coach Rick Pitino wanted him to join DePaul next year.

Buducnost PG
07-24-2008, 07:21 PM
If they are in the squad only to full the roster, we should have selected younger players such as Luka Mirkovic PF 208 89 who has great stats in High School this season. The famous NCAA coach Rick Pitino wanted him to join DePaul next year.

I think you didn´t understand what i meaned. These players like Radetic are there to help out from the bench an that´s it. You can not have 12 very talented players in the team. The most important thing is that the players that are considerd as good talents play good and improve from year to year.

AlbionGate
07-24-2008, 07:35 PM
[English or provide a translation] Radetic will warm the bench anyway.

Remon
07-25-2008, 01:26 AM
Up to the last quarter only, during which we could not help but be amazed to the awakening and victory from Greece who had been loosing since the start of the match. Greece scored 23 points in the last quarter, the loud shouts and orders of the coach paying off as the players hammered through the Slovenian defense.

Damn, I just had a flashback.

penzias
07-25-2008, 04:15 AM
GREECE, 72: Giannakidis (8), Giannopuolos (3), Kalathis (19), Tsairelis (14), Sigounas (5) –cinco inicial- Matalon (5) , Bogris (0), Michaloglou (4), Sakelariou (2), Karavasanis (7), Liberopoulos (5) y Koukounias (7).

SPAIN, 71: Pere Tomás( 6), Quino Colom (12), Xavi Rabaseda (2), Pablo Aguilar (7), Javi Vega (4) –cinco inicial- José Antonio Marco (6), Raimundo López (0), Alex Llorca (4), Marc Rubio (8), Sergio De la Fuente (15), Oscar Raya (2) y Víctor Claver (5)

Claver only played few minutes in the 3rd Q.

I assume that Kalathis is Nick Calathes, isn't him?

Remon
07-25-2008, 12:56 PM
Yes, that's him. Do you have a complete boxscore? Or a link to an english site?

penzias
07-25-2008, 01:02 PM
nope, sorry.

penzias
07-29-2008, 04:51 PM
Is there any chance to watch some games online?

LuDux
07-30-2008, 06:20 PM
Last 13 Lithuanian NT candidates:
Pranas SKURDAUSKAS 209 C
Vaidas ČEPUKAITIS 206 C
Donatas MOTIEJŪNAS 215 PF/C
Gediminas ŽYLĖ 212 PF/SF
Marius VALUKONIS 198 PF
Lukas BRAZDAUSKIS 205 SF
Rokas ŪZAS 202 SF
Vytenis LIPKEVIČIUS 198 SF
Martynas GECEVIČIUS 194 SG
Adas JUŠKEVIČIUS 193 SG
Žygimantas JANAVIČIUS 193 PG
Šarūnas VASILIAUSKAS 188 PG
Evaldas ŽABAS 184 PG

Picek
07-30-2008, 06:36 PM
Motiejunas will play on U-20 aswell?
isn't that championship starting this friday?

LuDux
07-30-2008, 07:13 PM
Motiejunas will play on U-20 aswell?
isn't that championship starting this friday?

He supposed to join them then U18 NT will finish their games

HABIBI
08-01-2008, 03:46 PM
Guys,please somebody provide some links for streaming tomorrow!I'm especially interested for the match of Greece and Serbia.O somewhere to download them!Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

Picek
08-01-2008, 06:05 PM
surprising win for our lads..
especially considering this generation lacks talent and they are playing without 6 first team player.. and with two players injured..
before the tournament coach said that our goal is to avoid relegation to B division..
so this win is really surprising.. either greeks are poor as well or we were luck enough to get the win..

pablonis
08-01-2008, 06:49 PM
Lithuania barely defeated Ukraine 93:91. Wonder why? Ukraine - 19 threepointers made, 11 of them by Gladyr, who got a total of 38 points. :rolleyes:

Gecevicius led lith's with 30 points + 7rb
Lipkevicius had 15pts + 6rb
Valukonis 14pts + 8rb

Srle
08-01-2008, 06:56 PM
Serbia won against Russia. It was very close game. Raduljica 30 pts,13 rb,Macvan 21 and 11. Shved 39 pts:rolleyes:

rikhardur
08-01-2008, 06:57 PM
Ukraine - 19 threepointers made, 11 of them by Gladyr, who got a total of 38 points. :rolleyes:
Shved also very good for Russia with 39 pts and 8/14 3pt.

DelijaZauvjek
08-01-2008, 08:23 PM
Serbia won against Russia. It was very close game. Raduljica 30 pts,13 rb,Macvan 21 and 11. Shved 39 pts:rolleyes:


Shved scored 39 and nobody else on Russia's squad did squat.
:p


Anyhow, Serbia seems solid for another medal this year. Suprisingly our biggest rivalrs lost to our neighbors Montengro today. :eek:
I guess they underestimated Vladimir Dasic :D
So, I wouldn't be suprised if we got gold again.
Anyone know why Marjanovic only played 8 mins? 4 points 4 rebounds 2 blocks? Hmm I also see the 4 fouls...so i'm just hoping there was no injury involved in the process.

Radujlica and Macvan are extremely impressive and showed great teamwork when they went on a 12-0 run together. Only thingt that will hurt us in the long run is missing injured Stefan Markovic, who would have brought us another deadly shooter from beyond the arc but hopefully Jeremic can fill in his place well. We also need to improve on free throws + 3 point shooting %'s.

NAPRED SRBIJA!

Srle
08-01-2008, 08:52 PM
Montenegro is not favorite in this championship. But they can suprise:)

DelijaZauvjek
08-01-2008, 09:04 PM
I said Montenegro beat one of the favorites for torunament-(SPAIN)------

:)



But i'd be dissapointed if Serbia didn't get at least Silver...Gold is main priority

Srle
08-01-2008, 09:25 PM
Spain is not favorite. Especially without Rubio.

DelijaZauvjek
08-01-2008, 09:36 PM
Nobody is favorite except Serbia.

Spain is a top contender.

Rubio is a ball hog. He can score 50 but his tem looses.

rikhardur
08-01-2008, 09:47 PM
Rubio is a ball hog. He can score 50 but his tem looses.
Actually the only time he scored 51 Spain won and became U16 champion.

wardjdim
08-01-2008, 09:54 PM
12/26 FG+ 7/8 FTs :)

We all love you Aleksey :D

http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/Default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&pageID={99F1C37F-F714-4FBE-A557-F44760EF3B9F}&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2008&roundID=6076&teamID=&gameID=6076-D-1-1&

DelijaZauvjek
08-01-2008, 09:55 PM
Note: You said U16......

Enough said.

DelijaZauvjek
08-01-2008, 09:56 PM
12/26 FG+ 7/8 FTs :)

We all love you Aleksey :D

http://www.fibaeurope-u20men.com/en/Default.asp?cid={3E00A2C0-841C-4CE2-A80B-9CE58276966C}&pageID={99F1C37F-F714-4FBE-A557-F44760EF3B9F}&compID={792A6AB7-C6A6-434B-BEA5-9BF1BC619DB4}&season=2008&roundID=6076&teamID=&gameID=6076-D-1-1&


And a loss?????

If he got his teamates more involved maybe you guys would have had a bigger chance of winning.
This way him and another player were the only ones in double figures.
The rest scored 6 or less :rolleyes:

rikhardur
08-01-2008, 10:09 PM
Note: You said U16......

Enough said.
Of course, he never scored 50 in any other occasion :rolleyes:
His highest score since that one was 33 vs Lithuania in the U18 EC last year and Spain won.

wardjdim
08-01-2008, 10:15 PM
What matters the most is Aleksey returning to the go-to guy form he had a couple of years ago in Prague. The skinny Jordan-esque mentality. The typical arrogance that he had. Two years of no playing time were more than enough for Europe's most talented guard besides Rubio (for me Shved is more talented for the NBA level, a given lottery pick potentially, but he can end up in lows if he doesn't get more experience soon)

There is no doubt that Shved can play both perimeter positions. But with Khvostov in, he is unfortunately playing at off-guard. If they play together, there will always be an issue. The important thing now is to beat the French team (super tough task, of course) and get to the semis. This is a key game. But Vaty and Moermann are still too good for their frontcourt. What a sick group..

Srle
08-01-2008, 10:20 PM
Serbia got awarded for wining both titles last year:D I agree with you,Shved is very talented player but he need to get out of CSKA and get some playing time. Anyway Zabelin suck big time:cool:

DelijaZauvjek
08-01-2008, 11:15 PM
Serbia got awarded for wining both titles last year:D I agree with you,Shved is very talented player but he need to get out of CSKA and get some playing time. Anyway Zabelin suck big time:cool:


Heheh :)



I don't know much about Shved and i'm sure he's talented but he needs to stop being a hog like Sepa :p

I smell gold for Serbia! :)

wardjdim
08-02-2008, 01:26 PM
Stan James giving 8.5 points handicap to a French team that misses Batum and Ajinca over Russia? That's weird

Serbia should better kick Slovenia's ass with over 21 points, otherwise I will be losing my money on them for the second straight time :mad:

elaj
08-02-2008, 02:07 PM
Slovenia up by 5 at the half vs. Serbia. :eek:

Although I know they will crush us in second half and beat us probably by +30.

wardjdim
08-02-2008, 02:29 PM
Slovenia up by 5 at the half vs. Serbia. :eek:

Although I know they will crush us in second half and beat us probably by +30.
Slovenia with a trey at the buzzer to cut the deficit to 6 at the end of the 3rd quarter :(

Srle
08-02-2008, 03:08 PM
We are not playing well so far. We are missing Markovic on defense alot. Good thing today is good game by Keselj. And Raduljica is continuing to dominate at center position. When he started second half game changed. We have to play much better tomorrow against France.

wardjdim
08-02-2008, 03:15 PM
:mad: :mad: :mad:

pablonis
08-02-2008, 05:49 PM
Lithuania - Croatia 88:69

Gecevicius with 18
Juskevicius with 17

HABIBI
08-02-2008, 05:52 PM
Any games to download so far????????Especially yesterday super derbys??????

DelijaZauvjek
08-02-2008, 06:19 PM
:mad: :mad: :mad:


Slovenia always play good against Serbia...


Serbs learned to play basketball from Slovenians :p
It's just that we are much better than them now :)

You should of just bet on a 10 point win as Serbia won 90-78..

We should pretty much dominate France tomorrow. Well..not dominate but win :)

wardjdim
08-03-2008, 12:12 PM
Shved tearing it up versus Slovenia as well... 1/9 FG's in the 1st half :D

In the first couple of games, he was 17/44

Remon
08-03-2008, 02:33 PM
Anyone knows a way to watch the games on the net? myp2p.eu doesn't show anything.

Mindozas
08-03-2008, 03:49 PM
Anyone knows a way to watch the games on the net? myp2p.eu doesn't show anything.

I have serious doubts that any TV channel broadcasts this tournament at all... If it's true, than is no way we can see any game

Remon
08-03-2008, 04:25 PM
It's a pitty, almost every friendly of olympiacos and panathinaikos in football is televised, and no one is showing this.

auris1
08-03-2008, 05:11 PM
greece is out
hmm very strange

kecal
08-03-2008, 05:23 PM
Greece has a very good squad and I think we can reach final. If Koufos decide to play for Greece this will be great

So, what happened? Were the expectations too high, or just a complete disaster?

Mindozas
08-03-2008, 05:27 PM
greece is out
hmm very strange

Yup, Ukraine +7, Croatia -3, Greece -4...

That meaningless Ukraine's 3pt shot in a last second of the game yesterday became a crucial one now for Greece, also in that game Greece missed 3 free throws in last minute

pablonis
08-03-2008, 07:36 PM
Lith's - Greece 90:77

Gecevicius 21pts
Brazdauskis 14pts+14rb
Juskevicius 13pts
Janavicius 12pts+7rb+6ass

Sigkounas 17pts
Calathes and Sakellariou 16pts

CG
08-03-2008, 07:40 PM
greece is out
hmm very strange

not strange at all.this team didnt have a potencial talent if you except Kalathes.And ofcourse after Koufos decided to stay in UTAH they didnt had a chance..

KWSN-Men
08-03-2008, 07:43 PM
not strange at all.this team didnt have a potencial talent if you except Kalathes.And ofcourse after Koufos decided to stay in UTAH they didnt had a chance..

And ofcourse, it was a joke to assign this team to Sigalas...

Minotavros
08-03-2008, 08:06 PM
It was a joke to give Sigalas the job, but even with another coach the result would have been the same.

This Greek NT had no talent. How many of these players have played in A1??
The guys are 20 years and completely unknown in A1.

Vasilakopoulos knew this, that's why he wanted Koufos in this team. But Sigalas refused as this would be unfair to the other player the took part in the long preparation

CG
08-03-2008, 08:07 PM
And ofcourse, it was a joke to assign this team to Sigalas...


i didnt want to add this since i respect him but since you mentioned it who had the finest idea to put someone without a decent coaching experience as a national coach because of his name or he is a good spokecaster?:D .Sigalas is a nice guy but he lacks coaching mentality.So it was a joke to put him there.Yes


+5000 . When did Sigalas become a coach ?:confused:

from this summer maybe?:D

Buducnost PG
08-03-2008, 08:11 PM
It was a joke to give Sigalas the job, but even with another coach the result would have been the same.

This Greek NT had no talent. How many of these players have played in A1??
The guys are 20 years and completely unknown in A1.

Vasilakopoulos knew this, that's why he wanted Koufos in this team. But Sigalas refused as this would be unfair to the other player the took part in the long preparation

IMO the generations 86-89 are poor by Greece. But with Koufos and Calathes you got 2 nice (Koufos is IMO a great one) talents from the USA and so the situation is not that bad. From the others maybe Sakota and Vergins could become good players. But we must still wait.

But therefore your 90 generation seems to be pretty good. They worked a lot in the last 2 years. Sloukas was very good this year. Before 2 years by the U16 of this generations he wasn´t half of the player he is now.

CG
08-03-2008, 08:19 PM
IMO the generations 86-89 are poor by Greece. But with Koufos and Calathes you got 2 nice (Koufos is IMO a great one) talents from the USA and so the situation is not that bad. From the others maybe Sakota and Vergins could become good players. But we must still wait.

But therefore your 90 generation seems to be pretty good. They worked a lot in the last 2 years. Sloukas was very good this year. Before 2 years by the U16 of this generations he wasn´t half of the player he is now.


thats true.in fact that was exactly what a journalist asked Sloukas after the game."Sloukas who?"i think this guy if there was a most improvement player award, should be awarded by this.Sloukas especially has nothing to do with the poor PG we saw 1 year ago.And now he is a really good jump shooter and an excellent or more RBer for his position at least.I mean look his stats

1st scorer
1st in ass
1st in st
3rd in rbs
1st in time
4nd in 2p attempts
2nd in 3p att
2nd in FT

amazing improvement

AlbionGate
08-03-2008, 08:23 PM
France 83-Serbia 69
Why we lost :
1. Because Mladen Jeremic, one of the best shooting guards in last year U19 World cup, spend much of the last season on the bench watching a younger and worse player on the court. This player is Bojan Lazic, his father is assistant coach in FMP). Is it a normal situation ????
2. Because two main back up players from last year U19 World champion team (Dusan Katnic and Stefan Stojacic) played in our "funny" league, in spite of playing in teams which compete in Adriatic league and european cups. Very sad especially for Stojacic who was great in Novi Sad and who is now an underaverage player.
3. Because we only have one real playmaker in this team. Tell me where is Slobodan Djunderski ???
4. Because our best players Marjanovic,Macvan and Raduljica are also back up players in their teams. They are not main scorers. Older, foreign and less talented players are. They are not the ones who receives the ball in "money time".

And don't tell me that the score will be different if Stefan Markovic (who is in our senior national team) have been in the team, cause France played without three players from its starting lineup Ajinça, Batum and Beaubois (the first two drafted in first round, and a player who will be draft next year).

P.S. : FMP is killing our basketball, one generation of playmaker have been destroyed in order to allow Filip Covic (son of FMP owner) to play in our young national team. I'm really surprise that he wasn't "push" in this team too. For example, Stamenkovic (member of the preliminary team, one of the last cut player) is under contract with FMP and was loaned last year to Borac Cacak while Covic played for FMP in Adriatic league and ULEB Cup.

Buducnost PG
08-03-2008, 08:28 PM
France 83-Serbia 69
Why we lost :
1. Because Mladen Jeremic, one of the best shooting guards in last year U19 World cup, spend much of the last season on the bench watching a younger and worse player on the court. This player is Bojan Lazic, his father is assistant coach in FMP). Is it a normal situation ????
2. Because two main back up players from last year U19 World champion team (Dusan Katnic and Stefan Stojacic) played in our "funny" league, in spite of playing in teams which compete in Adriatic league and european cups. Very sad especially for Stojacic who was great in Novi Sad and who is now an underaverage player.
3. Because we only have one real playmaker in this team. Tell me where is Slobodan Djunderski ???
4. Because our best players Marjanovic,Macvan and Raduljica are also back up players in their teams. They are not main scorers. Older, foreign and less talented players are. They are not the ones who receives the ball in "money time".

And don't tell me that the score will be different if Stefan Markovic (who is in our senior national team) have been in the team, cause France played without three players from its starting lineup Ajinça, Batum and Beaubois (the first two drafted in first round, and a player who will be draft next year).

P.S. : FMP is killing our basketball, one generation of playmaker have been destroyed in order to allow Filip Covic (son of FMP owner) to play in our young national team. I'm really surprise that he wasn't "push" in this team too. For example, Stamenkovic (member of the preliminary team, one of the last cut player) is under contract with FMP and was loaned last year to Borac Cacak while Covic played for FMP in Adriatic league and ULEB Cup.

This kid is lost since few years now. I remember him playing with the U16, but since then i never heard something from him.

And IMO the French generation is deeper then ours, especially now when players like Mbaye begin to shine. He improved a lot. IMO this is a very good French generation. Perhaps talentwise (88-89) the best one in europe. Vaty, Jackson, Batum, Ajinca, Beaubois, Diot and now also Mbaye.

Minotavros
08-03-2008, 08:33 PM
IMO the generations 86-89 are poor by Greece. But with Koufos and Calathes you got 2 nice (Koufos is IMO a great one) talents from the USA and so the situation is not that bad. From the others maybe Sakota and Vergins could become good players. But we must still wait.

But therefore your 90 generation seems to be pretty good. They worked a lot in the last 2 years. Sloukas was very good this year. Before 2 years by the U16 of this generations he wasn´t half of the player he is now.

U16 is wayy to early to judge a player. Gasol for example at U18 (not U16) was a 6-7 ppg player.

Spanish and Serbian bball is better at promoting young talents. Vladimir Jankovic for example decided to leave (it was his own choice) to play basketball in Serbia. In Greece he would be a towel boy as teams are afraid to give young players playing time.

Mindozas
08-03-2008, 08:40 PM
This kid is lost since few years now. I remember him playing with the U16, but since then i never heard something from him.

He played in LKL (Lithuanian Bball League) last season for "Suduva-Arvi"

http://www.lkl.lt/index.php/b19sYW5nPWhlJm9fc2Vhcz0xMyZvX2xlYWc9MSZmdXNlYWN0aW 9uPXBsYXllcnMubWFpbiZ0PTUwJnA9Njk2

AlbionGate
08-03-2008, 08:49 PM
Slobodan Dundjerski is currently playing in Lithuania. Since November has solid playing time. I think he is the starting PG. (8 pts and 3 ass per game in 22 minutes).
Lithuanians, help us? Is Dundjerski a good player or just an average one.

Basket_
08-03-2008, 08:51 PM
He played in LKL (Lithuanian Bball League) last season for "Suduva-Arvi"

http://www.lkl.lt/index.php/b19sYW5nPWhlJm9fc2Vhcz0xMyZvX2xlYWc9MSZmdXNlYWN0aW 9uPXBsYXllcnMubWFpbiZ0PTUwJnA9Njk2
Also in BBL Challenge cup.
http://www.bbl.net/index.php/b19sYW5nPWVuJm9fc2Vhcz0xOSZvX2xlYWc9OSZmdXNlYWN0aW 9uPXBsYXllcnMubWFpbiZ0PTc2JnA9OTI3

wardjdim
08-03-2008, 09:04 PM
Way to go Serbia :)

0/3 bets with them! :D

Congrats to Lithuania for ousting Greece, even without Donatas. Hopefully Sigalas will be fired now :cool:

Mindozas
08-03-2008, 09:16 PM
Way to go Serbia :)

0/3 bets with them! :D

Hehe for me almost the same sh!t with Italy :D

0/2 bets on them. Yesterday they screw me with a loss against Georgia (was last on my winning combo) and today they managed to beat Turkey in a thriller, when I've bet them to lose :) God, how much I hate them now :D

AlbionGate
08-03-2008, 09:20 PM
Thanks to Mindozas and Basket for your help.
About your U20 team, knowing you have a lot of players in NCAA. Are some of them missing ?

Mindozas
08-03-2008, 09:32 PM
Thanks to Mindozas and Basket for your help.
About your U20 team, knowing you have a lot of players in NCAA. Are some of them missing ?

Our team's coach said, that all players, who was invited are in the team. So, I guess, we have here our best possible U-20 squad (of course when Motiejunas will join the team)

Genjuro
08-03-2008, 10:40 PM
France 83-Serbia 69
Why we lost :
1. Because Mladen Jeremic, one of the best shooting guards in last year U19 World cup, spend much of the last season on the bench watching a younger and worse player on the court. This player is Bojan Lazic, his father is assistant coach in FMP). Is it a normal situation ????
2. Because two main back up players from last year U19 World champion team (Dusan Katnic and Stefan Stojacic) played in our "funny" league, in spite of playing in teams which compete in Adriatic league and european cups. Very sad especially for Stojacic who was great in Novi Sad and who is now an underaverage player.
3. Because we only have one real playmaker in this team. Tell me where is Slobodan Djunderski ???
4. Because our best players Marjanovic,Macvan and Raduljica are also back up players in their teams. They are not main scorers. Older, foreign and less talented players are. They are not the ones who receives the ball in "money time".

And don't tell me that the score will be different if Stefan Markovic (who is in our senior national team) have been in the team, cause France played without three players from its starting lineup Ajinça, Batum and Beaubois (the first two drafted in first round, and a player who will be draft next year).

P.S. : FMP is killing our basketball, one generation of playmaker have been destroyed in order to allow Filip Covic (son of FMP owner) to play in our young national team. I'm really surprise that he wasn't "push" in this team too. For example, Stamenkovic (member of the preliminary team, one of the last cut player) is under contract with FMP and was loaned last year to Borac Cacak while Covic played for FMP in Adriatic league and ULEB Cup.
1-2-4. You're ignoring the fact that every single U-20 National Team is suffering the same situation: either have guys playing as back-ups or playing in low-level leagues.

3. Djunderski was a mediocre PG (at best), and actually, one of the big reasons why you guys won at the U-19 Worlds is because Markovic was moved to the point.

I don't think FMP is killing basketball in Serbia. If we're talking about PGs, they have produced the guy that should eventually put Serbia out of its basketball miseries: Milos Teodosic.

The biggest problem I'm seeing with this Serbian squad is attitude. I'm not seeing the same hunger they showed last year.

Srle
08-03-2008, 11:10 PM
If we didnt have FMP our younger selection would be nowhere. I bealive in this selection. I hope that this was only bad day. They need to play better in first quarter. I think Macvan will step up in the second stage of tournament:)

Srle
08-03-2008, 11:15 PM
This kid is lost since few years now. I remember him playing with the U16, but since then i never heard something from him.

And IMO the French generation is deeper then ours, especially now when players like Mbaye begin to shine. He improved a lot. IMO this is a very good French generation. Perhaps talentwise (88-89) the best one in europe. Vaty, Jackson, Batum, Ajinca, Beaubois, Diot and now also Mbaye.

I dont think their generation is better or talented than ours.Ajinca showed nothig playing for France.I think it was good riddance for them:)

Genjuro
08-04-2008, 07:17 AM
I dont think their generation is better or talented than ours.Ajinca showed nothig playing for France.I think it was good riddance for them:)
Well, considering the fact that they won the U-16 and U-18 championships, are in pace to win the U-20 category as well, won the Mannheim tournament, and only you guys won at the U-19 Worlds played at your home soil, I would give them a little bit more credit.

However, one thing is to win in youth championships, and another different one is what these guys will be able to provide at top international level.

AlbionGate
08-04-2008, 09:45 AM
1-2-4. You're ignoring the fact that every single U-20 National Team is suffering the same situation: either have guys playing as back-ups or playing in low-level leagues.

3. Djunderski was a mediocre PG (at best), and actually, one of the big reasons why you guys won at the U-19 Worlds is because Markovic was moved to the point.

I don't think FMP is killing basketball in Serbia. If we're talking about PGs, they have produced the guy that should eventually put Serbia out of its basketball miseries: Milos Teodosic.

The biggest problem I'm seeing with this Serbian squad is attitude. I'm not seeing the same hunger they showed last year.


1. Jeremic is far better than Lazic, this one only plays because his father is the assistant coach. I also consider that at least two other FMP players born in 1989 (Zivanovic and Smiljanic) are better than Lazic.
2. Your league is far better, even your lower leagues are far better. No matter about playing time, but training quality. Your youngs are trainning with high-quality players.
3. Dundjerski, Stamenkovc and Radulovic (who was in the last year squad) have decent roles in their teams. We should have a back-up PG. It will be "funny" to see Katnic fouled out in one of the next game.

For the destroyed PG generation I was talking about players born in 1988 and 1989.

Don't forget FMP is a private version of french Federal Center (INSEP). It main goal is doing money by selling players. FMP signs contract with almost every serbian prospect. In junior squad, the ones who sign long term contracts play more than those who refuse to do it (Djekic is the best example).

I agree about players attitude. But unfortunately it's nothing new in our basketball.

AlbionGate
08-04-2008, 09:59 AM
I dont think their generation is better or talented than ours.Ajinca showed nothig playing for France.I think it was good riddance for them:)

As I live in France, I think I can talk about Ajinça. Since last year U19, he has put on at least 10 kg. I didn't play a lot in Hyères-Toulon, around 10 minutes per game for an evalution of 7, best evaluation per minute in the league. In the Cup, against Nancy (who became later French champion), he blocked 7 shoots. During HoopSummit practice and during the game he was better than Marjanovic. Moreover, don't forget he played small forward four years ago and then he grew up too much. So as Pau Gasol, he was "push" in the paint.

Buducnost PG
08-04-2008, 10:17 AM
Well, considering the fact that they won the U-16 and U-18 championships, are in pace to win the U-20 category as well, won the Mannheim tournament, and only you guys won at the U-19 Worlds played at your home soil, I would give them a little bit more credit.

However, one thing is to win in youth championships, and another different one is what these guys will be able to provide at top international level.

That´s 100% true. That´s why i said that in the generations 88-89 France has the best talents. Especially the 88 is very nice. And they have one very good to good talent on every position. Ajinca for C, Vaty for PF, Batum for SF, Jackson for SG, Bebouis, Mbaye and Diot for PG.

damelo
08-04-2008, 12:26 PM
So please, a Spanish club sign them now! Fast!
get them away from the NBA, from Pro A where they won't play. But not from NT. All the guys ready for NT don't come, yet... :( :( :(

caaprius
08-04-2008, 03:10 PM
Yesterday after Israel - Georgia game players from both sides started fighting. According to officials, Israeli's No5 started teasing oppoenets at the end of the game, and Georgians fired up. the rest.. well, video is here:

http://www.basketnews.lt/news-16001-po-pergales-patycios-varzovams-ir-mustynes-video.html

today No5 of Israel was suspended for 3 games, No10 from Georgia - for one game.

Srle
08-04-2008, 03:21 PM
1. Jeremic is far better than Lazic, this one only plays because his father is the assistant coach. I also consider that at least two other FMP players born in 1989 (Zivanovic and Smiljanic) are better than Lazic.
2. Your league is far better, even your lower leagues are far better. No matter about playing time, but training quality. Your youngs are trainning with high-quality players.
3. Dundjerski, Stamenkovc and Radulovic (who was in the last year squad) have decent roles in their teams. We should have a back-up PG. It will be "funny" to see Katnic fouled out in one of the next game.

For the destroyed PG generation I was talking about players born in 1988 and 1989.

Don't forget FMP is a private version of french Federal Center (INSEP). It main goal is doing money by selling players. FMP signs contract with almost every serbian prospect. In junior squad, the ones who sign long term contracts play more than those who refuse to do it (Djekic is the best example).

I agree about players attitude. But unfortunately it's nothing new in our basketball.

Please stop talking crap about FMP please. They are the best basketball school in the country. They need to sell their players to survive. Its to early to judge them.I wanna see how their player born from 87 to 91 and so on will fare in future. Thats their kids. Partizan and Zvezda didnt do nothing for our basketball in last ten years.If It wasnt for FMP,our younger selections would be nowhere. You two exaggurating after one loss. It is good wake up cool. Our group is toughest anyway. I am confident in this group of player. Only thing I dont like it is Sinovec playing in front of Stojacic.

Buducnost PG
08-04-2008, 03:53 PM
Please stop talking crap about FMP please. They are the best basketball school in the country. They need to sell their players to survive. Its to early to judge them.I wanna see how their player born from 87 to 91 and so on will fare in future. Thats their kids. Partizan and Zvezda didnt do nothing for our basketball in last ten years.If It wasnt for FMP,our younger selections would be nowhere. You two exaggurating after one loss. It is good wake up cool. Our group is toughest anyway. I am confident in this group of player. Only thing I dont like it is Sinovec playing in front of Stojacic.

Don´t put Partizan in one sentence with Zvezda. Partizan is the most dominated team in the ex-yu region since 2 years by far and young players always get a chance. And a real chance. A lot players get better and better playing for Partizan. Pekovic and Velickovic are only 2 exampels. That Pekovic will play for Montenegro is anohter thing.

FMP hasn´t yet produced a high-class player. Partizan has. And FMP has alwayws the most talented kids in the country.

FMP is doing a good job in the youth. But it is a big step from the youth to profi. A lot players also play/ed good in FMP, but when they left the club they get lost.

We have only to take a look at the roster from the senior NT. Most of the players are from Partizan or played few years in Partizan and improved there.

And for sure FMP need to sell players to survive. As every Serbian club. FMP has no fans, no sponsors etc. To stay alive and geat a peace of the budget togehter they have to sell player/s every year. And that´s what they are doing.

Srle
08-04-2008, 04:04 PM
Tomorrorw is very important match for us.

zyy
08-05-2008, 09:01 AM
Hi everybody!

Haven't been here for a while.

Seems like U-20 champ is a great tournament to follow, and I've been doing this, more or less, but still can't make a guess, will Montenegro win against Russia or not? They stayed perfect in the first round but you know Russia had to play teams like France and Serbia. So it goes like this: Russia or Montenegro? What would be your guess?

I'm pretty sure Serbia overtakes Spain today, while France beats Latvia, and Lithuania goes through Israel.

I may say that Italy is about to win against Croatia, while Turkey stops Ukraine. Not sure about those two games eitheir, it is hard to tell whether group A or B was stronger and which teams have an advantage. Ukraine depends on making three pointers, it is no versatile and can be stopped by clever defensive play. Croatia looked poorly, but Italy lost to Georgia, that's a bit confusing.

Well, I would say semis are going to be like this:

Lithuania-Serbia

and

France-probably Italy (haven't seen them playin but I guess they can get there)

AlbionGate
08-05-2008, 10:33 AM
Italy in semis without Gallinari and Hackett, are you drunk ?

Buducnost PG
08-05-2008, 10:47 AM
Italy in semis without Gallinari and Hackett, are you drunk ?

That can happen. But not because they are so strong, it is because they are in the division where we have only one good team with Lithuania. And they won against Turkey. So they have 2/0 now.

Toxicity
08-05-2008, 10:49 AM
Italy in semis without Gallinari and Hackett, are you drunk ?

Hackett is 1 year older and couldn't play in the U20 competition... we miss Gallinari and Renzi, the only legit big man we have at this level... but we can suprise people if Aradori plays like a poor man's Antonello Riva... :D

AlbionGate
08-05-2008, 01:17 PM
Sorry, you're right about Hackett (born 19 December 1987).

zyy
08-05-2008, 02:00 PM
Italy in semis without Gallinari and Hackett, are you drunk ?

Well, actually, yes, had a couple of beers:rolleyes: :D :D

Like it was said, not because Italy's so strong, but because group E is weaker than the F one, and this gives them an opportunity. They need to win two games (pretty possible since Croatia and Ukraine are both not playin so well) out of three and they are there.

GEORGE_4
08-05-2008, 02:08 PM
I have a question about FMP´s (and serbian U20 NT) coach Klipa - I have a friend from Montenegro, he told me, Klipa is poor coach without balls... is it true???

AlbionGate
08-05-2008, 03:12 PM
Yes, but "stupids minds" in out federation choose him. They should have keep coach Miroslav Nikolic for this generation.

GEORGE_4
08-05-2008, 03:25 PM
... Nikolic was headcoach of serbian U18 NT this year, I think... but his results with the team wasn´t good...

AlbionGate
08-05-2008, 04:18 PM
But last year he was U19 world champion with which is now our U20 team.

Srle
08-05-2008, 06:06 PM
I have a question about FMP´s (and serbian U20 NT) coach Klipa - I have a friend from Montenegro, he told me, Klipa is poor coach without balls... is it true???

I dont think he is a bad coach. He had success with younger FMP selctions. I think they played better basketball with him than under Vukoicic. I dont like what they did this year with our younger selections coaches. They switched them ALL. Nikolic was the coach of our golden generation that won WC and this year they put him wih juniors,players that he dosent know. Also they put Vascanin to coach cadets again but he won gold last year with generation 1991.Very bad mistake.:mad:

Picek
08-05-2008, 06:38 PM
France down by 28 against Latvia at HT :D

Latvians made more three pointers (13) then frenchies made field goals :D

edit: down by 40 at the end of third..

I guess they took a day off..

GEORGE_4
08-05-2008, 07:40 PM
Latvians guys made big surprise to beat favourited France by 23 points...

Picek
08-06-2008, 04:04 PM
Latvians guys made big surprise to beat favourited France by 23 points...
I guess France will be without a real shooter for the next 5-10 years as well as they have been last few years..
yesterday they were 39% from the field, today (4 minutes to HT) they are shooting 19% :D ..

GEORGE_4
08-06-2008, 04:08 PM
I guess France will be without a real shooter for the next 5-10 years as well as they have been last few years..
yesterday they were 39% from the field, today (4 minutes to HT) they are shooting 19% :D ..

Maybe U are right, but there´s some difference between Latvia and Spain...

Srle
08-06-2008, 04:16 PM
We could have won much more easier this game against Montenegro. But our team apparently loves drama:mad:

GEORGE_4
08-06-2008, 04:25 PM
We could have won much more easier against Montenegro. But our team apparently love drama:mad:

Tell me what´s happend to Macvan? He´s great offensive player but today he scored 7 points only and took just only 6 field point attempts...

Srle
08-06-2008, 04:51 PM
There is a good interview on Fiba Europe with him. He is very nervous, those are his words. I think he will step up. He also logging lots of minutes. I would like to see him lose some veight. He will be fine.

Levenspiel
08-06-2008, 05:26 PM
Lithuania must beat Italy tomorrow with a difference of 4 at least in order to advance (assuming Turkey wins against Croatia).

The situation in the 3-way tie before the last group games;

ITA +3
TUR +1
LTU -4

-----------

And if Latvia beats Russia tonight (they lead 20-8 in the 1st q), there's a possibility of 5-way tie in group F if the group games finish conveniently.

MON: 3-2
SER: 3-2
SPA: 3-2
FRA: 3-2
LAT: 3-2

penzias
08-07-2008, 12:36 AM
Lithuania must beat Italy tomorrow with a difference of 4 at least in order to advance (assuming Turkey wins against Croatia).

The situation in the 3-way tie before the last group games;

ITA +3
TUR +1
LTU -4

-----------

And if Latvia beats Russia tonight (they lead 20-8 in the 1st q), there's a possibility of 5-way tie in group F if the group games finish conveniently.

MON: 3-2
SER: 3-2
SPA: 3-2
FRA: 3-2
LAT: 3-2

Latvia did his job, interesting evening tomorrow. Time for calculators. :p

jwfish6
08-07-2008, 06:09 AM
Macvan definetely isnt playing like he did last summer offensively. Raduljica seems impressive its interesting that Marjanovic is going to the senior team. Although he is a great prospect is he really ready to taste senior level? I think Raduljica and Macvan are more deserving.

By the way, both Raduljica and Macvan look extra massive physically. Macvan looks even larger than last summer.

Minotavros
08-07-2008, 06:33 AM
Has Macvan gained more weight??

Genjuro
08-07-2008, 07:53 AM
Macvan is out of shape. He needs to lose weight.

Raduljica is back to where he left in 2006 (he was in the all-tournament team back them), but he's dominating mainly because there are very few bigs to challenge him. Let's remember that last summer, he had to face the likes of USA (not really big, but athletic and physical), France (with Ajinça and Vaty) or Brazil (Prestes).

This summer, he's getting massive stats against extremely weak teams inside, facing physically weaker players several inches shorter than him. But he has struggled right against the first decent inside guy he has faced: French center Ludovic Vaty, very strong as him, and still a couple of inches shorter.

And even if he does some very nice stuff on both ends of the floor, he never delivers moves that make you undoubtably think that he can be productive in the low post against top competitors.

As for Marjanovic, he's not playing well. He's abused on defense constantly, and doesn't look much better than last year on the offensive end. Going to the senior team? Seems like a joke right now.

HABIBI
08-07-2008, 10:18 AM
Sorry my friend Genjuro but where did you watch the matches?????

Levenspiel
08-07-2008, 01:17 PM
If the livestream is reliable, I can tell Georgia lost to Slovenia in an unbelievable way. They were ahead by 2, they had the ball, and there was only 7 seconds to the final whistle. But Mahashvili chose to attack, missed the lay-up and made a foul, allowing the Slovenians to tie the game and win it in extra time.

Will there be any relegation (to Div B) among these teams?

Joško Poljak Fan
08-07-2008, 03:06 PM
If the livestream is reliable, I can tell Georgia lost to Slovenia in an unbelievable way. They were ahead by 2, they had the ball, and there was only 7 seconds to the final whistle. But Mahashvili chose to attack, missed the lay-up and made a foul, allowing the Slovenians to tie the game and win it in extra time.

Will there be any relegation (to Div B) among these teams?
thankfully not for Slovenia :D
I believe that the 15th and 16th team gets relegated every year.


Sorry my friend Genjuro but where did you watch the matches?????
Genjuro might even be there live ;)

elaj
08-07-2008, 03:14 PM
If the livestream is reliable, I can tell Georgia lost to Slovenia in an unbelievable way. They were ahead by 2, they had the ball, and there was only 7 seconds to the final whistle. But Mahashvili chose to attack, missed the lay-up and made a foul, allowing the Slovenians to tie the game and win it in extra time.
Livestream was wrong, I guess.

Reffs gave us the chance for OT and we took it - coming from some person who saw the game live. When Georgian player missed FT few seconds before the end, all players went into paint too early, but Georgians got offensive rebound, he made pump fake and Slovenian player grabbed him by his neck and pulled him down, Georgian player fall down landing on Slovenian player and so they gave the foul to that Georgian player. Slovenians made those FT's and we went to overtime. Reffs allowed wrestling during whole game... :D

Levenspiel
08-07-2008, 03:45 PM
Ours barely got the win and put themselves into the semis. Turkey was leading 62-45(!) entering the last 4 minutes, but Croatia could manage to steal the game behind a 1-15 run had Balbay not blocked Petani's 3-pointer in the last offense.

Spain's comeback in the second half againts Russia also looks impressive.

Srle
08-07-2008, 03:50 PM
Macvan is out of shape. He needs to lose weight.

Raduljica is back to where he left in 2006 (he was in the all-tournament team back them), but he's dominating mainly because there are very few bigs to challenge him. Let's remember that last summer, he had to face the likes of USA (not really big, but athletic and physical), France (with Ajinça and Vaty) or Brazil (Prestes).

This summer, he's getting massive stats against extremely weak teams inside, facing physically weaker players several inches shorter than him. But he has struggled right against the first decent inside guy he has faced: French center Ludovic Vaty, very strong as him, and still a couple of inches shorter.

And even if he does some very nice stuff on both ends of the floor, he never delivers moves that make you undoubtably think that he can be productive in the low post against top competitors.

As for Marjanovic, he's not playing well. He's abused on defense constantly, and doesn't look much better than last year on the offensive end. Going to the senior team? Seems like a joke right now.


Raduljica played injured last summer. Everyone play bad in that game against France,bad day.

Macvan definetely isnt playing like he did last summer offensively. Raduljica seems impressive its interesting that Marjanovic is going to the senior team. Although he is a great prospect is he really ready to taste senior level? I think Raduljica and Macvan are more deserving.

By the way, both Raduljica and Macvan look extra massive physically. Macvan looks even larger than last summer.

After this European Championship,Raduljica should be invited instead Marjanovic. He is big and strong guy. Defenetly deserved chance. Since Darko is injured.

TB-Fan
08-07-2008, 05:12 PM
Ours barely got the win and put themselves into the semis. Turkey was leading 62-45(!) entering the last 4 minutes, but Croatia could manage to steal the game behind a 1-15 run had Balbay not blocked Petani's 3-pointer in the last offense.

Spain's comeback in the second half againts Russia also looks impressive.

Balbay is an outstanding prospect at the PG position. He has to work on his shooting percentage. Hope he will develope more and more in Texas.

seems like they are waiting for him :)

http://texassports.com/sports/m-baskbl/tex-m-baskbl-body.html

Levenspiel
08-07-2008, 05:21 PM
The situation in the possible 5-way tie before LAT-SER game;

SPA: -9 +14 -7 +20 = +18
FRA: +14 -23 -20 +4 = -25
MNE: +9 +13 -5 -4 = +14
SER: -14 +7 +5 x = -2
LAT: -14 -13 +23 x = -4

In any case Spain has already advanced to the semis. Serbia will be the other team probably with a win. On the other hand, Latvia must get a +19 difference, Montenegro needs a Latvian win with a less difference.

Yeah, I'm bored :D

penzias
08-07-2008, 07:30 PM
Vive la France!! :) :)

SF

Lithuania - Spain
Serbia - Turkey

Srle
08-07-2008, 07:44 PM
Turkey is easier opponent for us,in my opinion. But we shouldnt underesitimate anybody.

auris1
08-07-2008, 07:45 PM
Phew….
That was close call .Any info on a Spanish team?

HABIBI
08-07-2008, 08:10 PM
If Genjuro or anybody else has witnessed these matches,could please describe me some of Michalis Tsairelis?Thanks!

DelijaZauvjek
08-07-2008, 11:17 PM
Turkey is easier opponent for us,in my opinion. But we shouldnt underesitimate anybody.


I'm just glad that we rested some of our better players today like Radujlica and others. They'll need this valuable rest for finals.

There's no chance in hell that Turkey can beat us.

And.....the only main threat is Lithuania in the finals.

So, I think Gold or Silver is expected. Gold is more probable but we shall see :)

Manu Ginobili
08-08-2008, 12:19 AM
I'm just glad that we rested some of our better players today like Radujlica and others. They'll need this valuable rest for finals.

There's no chance in hell that Turkey can beat us.

And.....the only main threat is Lithuania in the finals.

So, I think Gold or Silver is expected. Gold is more probable but we shall see :)
Know the word Hubris? you should watch out from this one..:)

Anyways, Serbs are back in business. Today they cruised Latvia and the good news is Jeremic has finally found his shot. This guy can be deadly.

Marko Keselj is playing really good the whole tournament. He seemed to me like a very raw player last summer, but now he is constant force for this team. But i actually didn't liked him at all.

I believe he is the next Gurovic or something like that. Thats the first comparison that comes to my mind. A big and athletic SF with good stroke but a very low bball IQ and looks a bit of a head-case.

As for Spain, Colom is a pleasant surprise for me. I got to watch last summer in the world champs and he was nothing special. He's numbers are great so far.

Looking forward for the semis.

Levenspiel
08-08-2008, 06:11 PM
Which teams you consider as the four best then?
Serbia,Spain,Turkey and Lithuania.Maybe Greece if Kofus is playing.
Precise prediction before the games even started. Congrats ;)

Srle
08-08-2008, 06:43 PM
It was clear before EC that those are best teams;)

Nimonas
08-09-2008, 12:22 PM
any video stream for today's semifinals?

HABIBI
08-09-2008, 12:30 PM
I wish so Nimonas!Finally anybody watched Tsairelis playing?????

Srle
08-09-2008, 05:06 PM
We found good form in the right moment. Easy win against Turkey:)

Basket_
08-09-2008, 07:28 PM
So Serbia will meet Lithuania in the final. Lithuania - Spain 96:79.

Migelitas
08-09-2008, 07:32 PM
We founf good form in the right moment. Easy win against Turkey:)
LTU - ESP 96:79
Lithuania in the Final too, but got there not so esy like serbs did. Do not look at final result. We won last 3.30 min 16:2.
Verry good performance by Brazdauskis (20+12rbs) and Gecevičius (23pt)

Srle
08-09-2008, 07:34 PM
Its going to be a good game. We are slight favorites in tomorrow game.

Enixx
08-09-2008, 07:37 PM
we beat spain ;P but we can't beat serbia ;D

Sss
08-09-2008, 07:39 PM
Lithuania has chances. Don't forget that we are playing at home :D

sashikas
08-09-2008, 07:40 PM
LTU - ESP 96:79
Lithuania in the Final too, but got there not so esy like serbs did. Do not look at final result. We won last 3.30 min 16:2.
Verry good performance by Brazdauskis (20+12rbs) and Gecevičius (23pt)
I didn't see the game, but from play-by-play noticed, that Š.Vasiliauskas was the only scorer in the middle of the third quater, when Lithuanians took the lead and never gave it back.

auris1
08-09-2008, 08:19 PM
Its going to be a good game. We are slight favorites in tomorrow game.
I am just not so sure about that .Home crowd will give advantage to ltu. Young players perhaps are not used to that .And final is always is a final.
I am just glad, that finally our youth developing system is finally paying back its dividends. It’s been long overdue.
Gecevicius has been a candidate for the MVP depending on the tomorrow’s result, but unfortunately I do not see superstardom for him. Looking back to our other youth winning teams there allegedly are only 2 or 3 players tops that can make it a decent living, let alone to play for nt team .
Or I just be might be wrong – anyway,here is an example :

European Championship for Men '22 and Under'
1996 Champions

Nerijus Karlikanovas
Tomas Masiulis
Ramunas Petraitis
Evaldas Jocys
Mindaugas Timinskas
Kestutis Sestokas
Kestutis Marciulionis
Dainius Adomaitis
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Andrius Jurkunas
Virginijus Praskevicius

European Championship for Men U20
Bronze 2004

Laurynas Peciukaitis
Steponas Babrauskas
Jonas Maciulis
Arturas Jomantas
Linas Lekavicius
Marius Prekevicius
Valdas Dabkus
Linas Kleiza
Michailo Anisimov
Paulius Jankunas
Paulius Joneliunas
Darius Silinskis

First rooster looks frightening, the second one –hmm, one nba player, another 3 - so so.

Sss
08-09-2008, 08:28 PM
I just not so sure about that .Home crowd will give advantage to ltu. Young players perhaps are not used to that .And final is always is a final.
I am just glad, that finally our youth developing system is finally paying back its dividends. It’s been long overdue.
Gecevicius has been a candidate for the MVP depending on the tomorrow’s result, but unfortunately I do not see superstardom for him. Looking back to our other youth winning teams there allegedly are only 2 or 3 players tops that can make it a decent living, let alone to play for nt team .
Or I just be might be wrong – anyway,here is an example :

European Championship for Men '22 and Under'
1996 Champions

Nerijus Karlikanovas
Tomas Masiulis
Ramunas Petraitis
Evaldas Jocys
Mindaugas Timinskas
Kestutis Sestokas
Kestutis Marciulionis
Dainius Adomaitis
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Andrius Jurkunas
Virginijus Praskevicius

European Championship for Men U20
Bronze 2004

Laurynas Peciukaitis
Steponas Babrauskas
Jonas Maciulis
Arturas Jomantas
Linas Lekavicius
Marius Prekevicius
Valdas Dabkus
Linas Kleiza
Michailo Anisimov
Paulius Jankunas
Paulius Joneliunas
Darius Silinskis

First rooster looks frightening, the second one –hmm, one nba player, another 3 - so so.

3-4 national players from one youth national team is very good result.

Srle
08-09-2008, 08:35 PM
I just not so sure about that .Home crowd will give advantage to ltu. Young players perhaps are not used to that .And final is always is a final.
I am just glad, that finally our youth developing system is finally paying back its dividends. It’s been long overdue.
Gecevicius has been a candidate for the MVP depending on the tomorrow’s result, but unfortunately I do not see superstardom for him. Looking back to our other youth winning teams there allegedly are only 2 or 3 players tops that can make it a decent living, let alone to play for nt team .
Or I just be might be wrong – anyway,here is an example :

European Championship for Men '22 and Under'
1996 Champions

Nerijus Karlikanovas
Tomas Masiulis
Ramunas Petraitis
Evaldas Jocys
Mindaugas Timinskas
Kestutis Sestokas
Kestutis Marciulionis
Dainius Adomaitis
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Andrius Jurkunas
Virginijus Praskevicius

European Championship for Men U20
Bronze 2004

Laurynas Peciukaitis
Steponas Babrauskas
Jonas Maciulis
Arturas Jomantas
Linas Lekavicius
Marius Prekevicius
Valdas Dabkus
Linas Kleiza
Michailo Anisimov
Paulius Jankunas
Paulius Joneliunas
Darius Silinskis

First rooster looks frightening, the second one –hmm, one nba player, another 3 - so so.

Macvan and company played under tremendous pressure in Spain last year. All of their games in closing stage. Also we played against host and it was demolition of Latvia. I just said we are slight favorites because this generation won WC and European Championship. They know how to win. Serbian national TV will broadcast tomorrow game:)

Manu Ginobili
08-09-2008, 08:43 PM
on which channel?

DelijaZauvjek
08-09-2008, 08:44 PM
It's obvious Serbia should be wining gold :p


I said this before tournament.
We would have won U18 as well if it wasn't for that stupid coach and lack of motivation.

Radujlica-MVP :)

Srle
08-09-2008, 08:47 PM
on which channel?
RTS2. Check justin tv on web too. They might broadcast that game either.

Manu Ginobili
08-09-2008, 09:28 PM
Thanks man. Hope my boy Macvan can make it again and lead Serbia to the title.

auris1
08-09-2008, 09:39 PM
Macvan and company played under tremendous pressure in Spain last year. All of their games in closing stage. Also we played against host and it was demolition of Latvia. I just said we are slight favorites because this generation won WC and European Championship. They know how to win.
I hear what are you are saying.
But quote “Also we played against host and it was demolition of Latvia.” just doesn’t count.
Having 50 or about 500 people cheering against you matters big time.
It’s has been said before by lt coaches –winning second or fourth is the worst result the team can achieve. Bollocks. That’s because we do not like for our NT to be in 5 – 7- 9-12-16 places.
But really –who cares now?
Main tournament is just hours away –and we are in.

Srle
08-09-2008, 09:43 PM
I dont care where your main tournament is. This topic is about U20 Championship. Better will win tomorrow.

xtf_no4
08-09-2008, 09:55 PM
The Final will be as Live Webcast on the tournament website

auris1
08-09-2008, 10:03 PM
I dont care where your main tournament is. This topic is about U20 Championship. Better will win tomorrow.
I know that
I just couldn’t resist.
I agree with you but still... no matter what you will support your team, and so do i.
Friendly banter, that’s what makes this forum fun
Good luck

Srle
08-09-2008, 10:09 PM
Some of these player will make our senior national team in the near future. Same with Lithuania. Thats why I am following junior tournaments;)

auris1
08-09-2008, 10:47 PM
Some of these player will make our senior national team in the near future. Same with Lithuania. Thats why I am following junior tournaments;)
i appreciate that life is too short .
I have just watched bbc interview with a guy, named Foster who is 38 years old in the GB swimming team. He doesn’t mind doing all again until 2012 .And why not – he is fit and ready for the medals.
We might have the same case with other bb players – they still it do it better and then .
And why should they?
Get a chance?

DelijaZauvjek
08-09-2008, 11:57 PM
I know that
I just couldn’t resist.
I agree with you but still... no matter what you will support your team, and so do i.
Friendly banter, that’s what makes this forum fun
Good luck


Try winning a world championship before you start talking nonsense..

Or even better.....

Try winning 5 World Championships before you start comparing Lithuania with Serbia. It's no doubt that we're the best basketball nation in history. Sure, we've been in a slump and all those Gold meadals at Euros, World, and Olympics dissapeared from the media just because a small drought in the last couple of years. Mark my words: "SERBIA WILL RISE ONCE AGAIN TO THE TOP OF THE WORLD"-FACT-

Also, before you start talking about Olympics you should know that Serbia has 1 bronze, 4 silver, and 1 Gold

sashikas
08-10-2008, 04:20 AM
Try winning a world championship before you start talking nonsense..

Or even better.....

Try winning 5 World Championships before you start comparing Lithuania with Serbia. It's no doubt that we're the best basketball nation in history. Sure, we've been in a slump and all those Gold meadals at Euros, World, and Olympics dissapeared from the media just because a small drought in the last couple of years. Mark my words: "SERBIA WILL RISE ONCE AGAIN TO THE TOP OF THE WORLD"-FACT-

Also, before you start talking about Olympics you should know that Serbia has 1 bronze, 4 silver, and 1 Gold
As we are trying to bite each other before the final game, let me join in. As far as I remember, Serbia has not won anything from mentioned above. All the acomplishments you have mentioned were won by Yugoslavia and Serbia-Montenegro.

Srle
08-10-2008, 05:20 AM
Is there any moderator here???

Joško Poljak Fan
08-10-2008, 08:44 AM
@DelijaZauvijek
Try acting a bit more reasonable here, no need to diss other countries or trying to provoke a flamewar. Even if you don't really believe it people here are very well aware of Serbian basketball achievements and there is no need for bragging all over the place. It can easily go both ways around.
And this forum is pimarily meant for discussion and not for "kurčenje" of one nation over the another.


Is there any moderator here???
here I am... if you're bothered with anything feel free to use the "report button" which is available on the end of each post

AlbionGate
08-10-2008, 03:56 PM
The final game has already begun in this forum.

nyhc
08-10-2008, 05:47 PM
live streaming link anybody?

LuDux
08-10-2008, 06:04 PM
http://www.basketnews.lt/live.php?id=16775

rikhardur
08-10-2008, 06:05 PM
live streaming link anybody?
http://www.fibaeurope.com/video.asp?coid={4268B693-8757-4EFB-8E1D-E2F8A8E090C9}

YYY
08-10-2008, 06:34 PM
http://www.fibaeurope.com/video.asp?coid={4268B693-8757-4EFB-8E1D-E2F8A8E090C9}
http://infrontsp.rd.llnwd.net/infrontsp_EXTRA_10_01

Same stream, but it's a direct link to the video.

nyhc
08-10-2008, 06:42 PM
thanks.

Srle
08-10-2008, 06:43 PM
Lots of people troll this topicc. Thats why I asked for moderator. Cheers.

Buducnost PG
08-10-2008, 07:33 PM
We won again.:cool: Macvan with a monster game 31/7/5.:cool:

sashikas
08-10-2008, 07:48 PM
congrats to Serbian fans with the victory in this tournament. We were trying, but simply didn't have a proper answer to your heavy artilery. You were much stronger under the baskets, and have used the tools properly, which gave the desired result.

Also thanks to our guys for the fight and not giving up, even when trailing about ten points in the second and third quaters.

Srle
08-10-2008, 08:12 PM
Great generation:)

rikhardur
08-10-2008, 08:38 PM
Great generation:)
Indeed. In some years if everything goes right, Serbia will return to their superpower status at senior NT level. Congrats!

DelijaZauvjek
08-10-2008, 10:17 PM
As we are trying to bite each other before the final game, let me join in. As far as I remember, Serbia has not won anything from mentioned above. All the acomplishments you have mentioned were won by Yugoslavia and Serbia-Montenegro.


ok..I'll stop this talk about this topic but i'll just finish this last paragraph.

First of all, during Yugoslavia most of the team was composed of Serbian players.

When it was Serbia-Montenegro and Serbia won the 2 world championships it was composed of a team with only 100% Serbians playing. So, please don't even :)


Anyhow, Gold was expected today. I never doubted it for one second. Macvan and Radujlica should be in A NT and they both have a great future. It probably would have been easier with Markovic, but it's ok :)

DelijaZauvjek
08-10-2008, 11:09 PM
Raduljica MVP šampionata Evrope!

In other words. Radujlica was voted MVP of the tournament.

I think it would have went to Macvan, if he had played like he did in the final for the whole tounrament. But it's good to give other players motivation and this will make Macvan work even harder as i'm sure he's just a tad bit jelous :p

Bravo Srbija. Make us proud now at the European Championship and go get that Gold we deserve again :)

Srle
08-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Raduljica deserved,even though you could make argument for Macvan.

sashikas
08-11-2008, 08:42 AM
ok..I'll stop this talk about this topic but i'll just finish this last paragraph.

I was just testing your hot Balkan temper. No need to react to everything so harshly

DelijaZauvjek
08-12-2008, 06:59 AM
Raduljica deserved,even though you could make argument for Macvan.

It's true...But i'm getting pissed off at Ivkovic for Marjanovic being called up to NT and not Macvan or Radujlica?

Wtf is that? =/

kololoco
08-13-2008, 03:07 PM
It's true...But i'm getting pissed off at Ivkovic for Marjanovic being called up to NT and not Macvan or Radujlica?

Wtf is that? =/

Raduljica won't be anywhere near as dominant as in the youth competitions. I am very sceptical about his overall limits. I think he will make a living out of basketball, but I doubt that he will play for the national team. And Macvan is a power forward, not a center, and at the 4 position we have good players already, and a strong rotation of Erceg and Velickovic, but I don't doubt he will have his time to shine in the future. And as for Marjanović, he is an amasing prospect. Such mobility, feel for the game, height and work ethic are one in a billion to find. In 2-3 years he will dominate, and already this year he will be one of the best centers in the Adriatic league.

Srle
08-13-2008, 05:07 PM
Novica Velickovic has nothing on Milan Macvan. Macvan is more talented than Novica. In two or three years I can see Macvan as leader of our Senior National team. Macvan has all characteristic of real leader on the court. I am not that high on Marjanovic. He is very slow on feet. He will be good defensive threat due to his great length. Also his offensive game is very limited right now. To me Raduljica is more serious prospects to me. He is strong and he know what to do with the ball. He also need to work on his game. But I am sure he will be starting center for MVP and after good season he will leave for Olympiacos:D Too bad he's a nut case.

kololoco
08-13-2008, 06:26 PM
Novica Velickovic has nothing on Milan Macvan. Macvan is more talented than Novica. In two or three years I can see Macvan as leader of our Senior National team. Macvan has all characteristic of real leader on the court. I am not that high on Marjanovic. He is very slow on feet. He will be good defensive threat due to his great length. Also his offensive game is very limited right now. To me Raduljica is more serious prospects to me. He is strong and he know what to do with the ball. He also need to work on his game. But I am sure he will be starting center for MVP and after good season he will leave for Olympiacos:D Too bad he's a nut case.

I agree about Macvan. I didn't say anything against Macvan exept that there are older, more experienced players, who are right now better than him in senior competition, but in a year or two he will be on the roster, no problem. And Marjanovic iz slow, but for a guy of his height he is very fast, jumps very high, is strong, and plays smart. His problem right now is his offensive game, and lack of experience, but if you watched this years Hemofarm-Partizan games you could have seen that he was probably the player that guarded Pekovic the best. Pekovic didn't have a right answer for his lenght and solid strenght and very solid agility for his size. It's a pity they insisted on puting overrated Vukosavljevic in the game who got abused.

Srle
08-13-2008, 06:46 PM
I agree with you. I was more impressed how he played against Zadar in final four. Main reason why Hemofarm did beat Zadar is Marjanovic. Because Zadar players were afraid to drive to the basket. Too bad Vukosavljevic will play for Hemofarm again this season.

DelijaZauvjek
08-14-2008, 03:23 AM
I agree with you. I was more impressed how he played against Zadar in final four. Main reason why Hemofarm did beat Zadar is Marjanovic. Because Zadar players were afraid to drive to the basket. Too bad Vukosavljevic will play for Hemofarm again this season.


After seeing us beat Russia, Turkey, among others fairly easily without some key players i'm feeling really confident. We've finally got a great ball handler that can control the ball and make some outstanding passes. He's great on defense as well. That guy is Milos Teodosic. We have a packed two-guard position. Tepic, Vujanic, Tripkovic, etc. The only place we lack is SF. This is the only reason I doubt our NT. I doubt Peja will come back for EuroBasketbat as he's getting old and is concentrating on a good season with Hornets. Velickovic and Dragicevic seem like our only two options. I believe Dragicevic has a great chance to make something big, but he just needs to be a bit faster and work on his conditioning. :)
Of course our PF and C positions are JAM packed :)
I've been mainly suprised by Erceg lately. But now we have Krstic, Milicic, Perovic, Marjanovic, Radujlica, Macvan, Erceg, etc etc.

kololoco
08-14-2008, 04:14 PM
After seeing us beat Russia, Turkey, among others fairly easily without some key players i'm feeling really confident. We've finally got a great ball handler that can control the ball and make some outstanding passes. He's great on defense as well. That guy is Milos Teodosic. We have a packed two-guard position. Tepic, Vujanic, Tripkovic, etc. The only place we lack is SF. This is the only reason I doubt our NT. I doubt Peja will come back for EuroBasketbat as he's getting old and is concentrating on a good season with Hornets. Velickovic and Dragicevic seem like our only two options. I believe Dragicevic has a great chance to make something big, but he just needs to be a bit faster and work on his conditioning. :)
Of course our PF and C positions are JAM packed :)
I've been mainly suprised by Erceg lately. But now we have Krstic, Milicic, Perovic, Marjanovic, Radujlica, Macvan, Erceg, etc etc.

I am afraid that one of the biggest flaws in Teodosices game is his defence. Also I agree with the SF position right now, but in 2-3 years there are great talents of which only one has to become senior level great and we're set (kešelj, Radosavljević, Milutinović). And Veličković and Dragićević can play the SF position but it is a streach. I don't think that either has played a mint this year for their clubs on that position.

Srle
08-14-2008, 05:44 PM
I am not worried for Teodosic defense as long he's doing good job building our offense.