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qiangdade
03-06-2008, 10:15 AM
Imagine the European Union would be represented by a single Nt (put aside the fact that nobody wants and it will never happen for the sake of the arguement). What players do you think would make it to the final 12? I didn't include a poll cause there are simply too many options.

pablonis
03-06-2008, 10:39 AM
just a wild guess


Calderon
Jasikevicius

Navaro
Macijauskas
Spanoulis

Siskauskas
Diaw
Nachbar

Nowitzki
Smodis

Gasol
Ilgauskas

dont kill me for forgeting someone

JET007
03-06-2008, 11:11 AM
if turkey gets in, put Okur in the lineup too...

Straight forward
03-06-2008, 11:12 AM
Easy one :)

Jasikevicius
Calderon
Diamantidis
(i wouldn't take Parker. Why do we need him in european type team?)

Navarro
Macijauskas (no need for more, while Siska, Saras, Stojakovic can easily be there)

Siskauskas
Stojakovic
Diaw

Nowitzki
Smodis

Gasol, Ilgauskas

Conclusion? NBA still has too much of best european players...

Vasileios Spanoulis
03-06-2008, 03:51 PM
Wow that would be some team.......

I'll take a stab, by position (allowing for players that can play multiple positions) in no particular roster order.

Calderon
Parker
Spanoulis

Diamantidis
Papaloukas

Peja
Siskauskus
Hedo

Dirk
Kirilenko

Gasol
Ilgauskus

3 point guards (most important in case of injuries), 2 shooting guards, 3 swing men, 4 big men, 3 of which could all man both PF and C if needed.

The one player that might be out could be Diamantidis based on offense ability, BUT if you have a national team you MUST have at least 1 guy that is designated perimeter defense stopper and he's the best in the world at that along with guys like Bruce Bowen and Shane Battier so he's got the spot I think over Navarro for example because there's only so much offense needed.

Some players I have on the cusp of making that team guys like Anderson, Vujcic, Smodis, Navarro, Sharas, Diaw, Udrih, Nachbar, Macijuaskus, Okur, Rasho, Keliza, Pavlovic, etc. But I think that above 12 would be my picks for the 12 best Euro players and it actually can be fit into a working team position wise because several players can play multiple positions. Like I say I could put Navarro there too but I think I rather have Diamantidis for D or Spanoulis for D and all around game than him.

rikhardur
03-06-2008, 04:02 PM
Kirilenko, Peja and Hedo would have to be out, their countries are not part of the EU (yet).

Vasileios Spanoulis
03-06-2008, 04:17 PM
Kirilenko, Peja and Hedo would have to be out, their countries are not part of the EU (yet).

But it's true they would be by the time this theoretical team would happen right?

At least for the Turks and Peja who could play as a Greek. I guess AK-47 might not be.

pablonis
03-06-2008, 04:27 PM
Kirilenko, Peja and Hedo would have to be out, their countries are not part of the EU (yet).


In the case of bolded player names, i trully hope those countries will never be part of EU - they just simply do not belong there...

V.S.666:

You really have to learn some name spelling.

BTW, Serbia isn't part of EU either, so exclude Stojakovic, even if he does have the greek passport.

Joško Poljak Fan
03-06-2008, 04:46 PM
PG:
-Calderon (no disagreeing allowed),
-Diama ....same here...
-Šaras ... with two players leaning a lot towards defense it's nice to have some creative threat from PG

left out Parker (forget about international game with him in the same sentence), Udrih (he'll get injured at one point in any case no need to give him extra oppurtunities to do so), Zissis, Lakovič (guilty of playing for Barca)

SG:
-Navarro (no disagreeing allowed)
-Rudy ... personal preferance since I really like his versatility that imo sets him infront of the rest, although getting Macas here is mostdefinately tempting

left out: Macas, Papaloukas, Kaukenas, Spanoulis, Belinelli, Basile (barca-> guilty), Vujačič

SF:
-Šiškauskas
-Diaw ... as much as I've thought about getting someone else in, he'd actually be doing great with this supporting cast imho

left out: Nachbar (waay to streaky for my taste), Mancinelli, Diawara, Pietrus

PF:
-Dirk ... whoever disagrees, say it on loud in order to get laughed at
-Vujčič ... fundamentals... and I don't care one bit about his body mass, he's smarter than 99% of the big guys there
-Smodiš ... if not for the rest, for his barbaric scream with his fists chained after scoring

left out: Fotsis (my next choice in the line... while I'm still wondering since mosthonestly prefer him to any SF not named Šiška that comes to my mind), Reyes (aargh... would be my next, next choice), Sofo (wouldn't fit on the bus for traveling), Turiaf (doesn't fit in at all), Lavrinovic bros. (just a bit below imo), Kambala (would sniff every potential white line there is on bball court), Bargnani

C:
-Gasol ... for explanation, read about Dirk once more
-Nesterovič ... mofo defense, unparaleled with anyone else available

left out: Gasol jr. (not out for long and not even imo), Papa (lack of D), Brezec (has too big of a chance to get broke on two halfs already), Biedrins (FTs dammit + lack of fundamentals and versatility for int' game), Ilgauskas (haven't actually seen more than few minutes of him in the past 2-3 years), Sabonis (if he starts to play bball again)


that's about it... a team like this would be unfair for anyone to play with, as for NBA: players succes there doesn't neccesarily mean he is as good in europe and since we're talking about international rules here... I personaly really trust to these 6 non-NBA players I've listed more than to some supposedly NBA stars, or "stars to be"... and 13th-16th would be Macas, Theo, Fotsis, Reyes... without any NBAers either, since it's all about fundamentals winning it all...

Vasileios Spanoulis
03-06-2008, 05:38 PM
In the case of bolded player names, i trully hope those countries will never be part of EU - they just simply do not belong there...

V.S.666:

You really have to learn some name spelling.

BTW, Serbia isn't part of EU either, so exclude Stojakovic, even if he does have the greek passport.

Turkey will be in the EU.

Neozyrus
03-06-2008, 06:27 PM
Well i think more or less any possible candidate has been already told but my choices would be:

Point Guard

- Saras
- Calderon
- Diamantidis

- Lakovic (SLO), Zizis (GRE), Udrih (SLO), Parker (FRA), Papaloukas (GRE)

Shooting Guard

- Navarro
- Rudy

- Macas (LIT), Becirovic (SLO), Kaukenas (LIT), Spanoulis (GRE), Bellinelli (ITA), Vujacic (SLO)

Shooting Forward

- Siskauskas
- Diaw

- Nachbar(SLO), Mumbru (SPA), Diawara (FRA), Mancinelli (ITA), Pietrus (FRA)

Power Forward

- Nowitzki
- Smodis
- Fotsis

- Lorbek (SLO), Garbajosa (SPA), Kleiza (LIT), Reyes (SPA), Songaila (LIT), Bargnani (ITA), Lavrinovic's (LIT)

Center

-Gasol
-Ilgauskas

-Nesterovic (SLO), Andersen (DEN), Brezec (SLO), Biedrins (LAT), M. Gasol (SPA), Papadopoulos (GRE), Turiaf (FRA),

I didnt pick Vujcic or Planninic cause i think that Croatia still isnt a full member of the Union

Joško Poljak Fan
03-06-2008, 06:34 PM
I didnt pick Vujcic or Planninic cause i think that Croatia still isnt a full member of the Union
I think you're actually right :) (don't ask what has gone through my head at the moment I was writing that though)

than, from my part Fotsis is in instead of Vujčić and this way we succeded in agreeing just about everything but the 2nd center ;)

qiangdade
03-06-2008, 07:13 PM
Ok, for me it would be:

Guards:

Jasikevicius (creative international game)
Calderon (one of the best points out there)
Diamantidis (one of the most versatile players)
Papaloukas (winning spirit like no other)
Macijauskas (i lack the words to describe his game)
Navarro (scoring machine)

Forwards:

Siskauskas (a complete small forward)
Fotsis (his height and jump combined with his shooting range can really cause trouble)
Nowitzki (yeah...like i am going to explain that...)
Smodis ( best euro pf playing in europe)

Centers:

Gasol (see dirk)
?...(koufos:D :D )


About the 6 guards: The very succesfull 3 guard system and macas' driving ability really gives this option imo

About some players:
Ilgauskas: He doesn't even play for his real NT why would he play for a EU NT?! I said fiction, not science fiction
Diaw: Don't get what's all the fuzz about him
Croatia, Turkey, Russia: Not in the EU
Parker: too NBAish
Spanoulis, Rudy: still a knotch lower than the ones i picked imo
All the rest mentioned: Most of them no way (Lakovic, Udrih, Mumbru etc), and just a couple maybe

Straight forward
03-06-2008, 08:43 PM
Rudy is already considered as stronger player than Macijauskas? I can anly laugh :D At least give him a chance to prove that first...

damelo
03-07-2008, 03:42 PM
That's funny lots of you guys think about Mike Pietrus... He is usually shooting above 30% with NT...
So i wouldn't even mention him. I would definitely take Gelabale, or Jimenez instead of him.

my team
PG: Calderon
SG: Rudy: He is the best in Europe now, and if not, then he will be very very soon.
SF: Diaw, even if he can't shoot, he would be able to creat and rebound in this context, and intervert with Nowitzki for low post and kick out...
PF: Nowitzki
C: Pau Gasol
6: Diamantidis: defensive specialist
7: Ricky: Youth integration, already 3rd ranking in ACB at 17...
8: Navarro: Still top Euro sniper
9: Belinelli: Diaw's complement
10: Reyes
11: Papdopoulos
12: Ilgauskas: size and soft touch

Test
03-08-2008, 08:39 AM
C Ilgauskas
PF Gasol
SF Nowitzki
SG Navarro
PG Jasikevicius
-------------
PF Smodis
SF Siskauskas
SF Kirilenko
SG Macijauskas
SG Diamantidis
PG Calderon
PG Parker


Very hard to make cool roster, because there are so many good players and for european style they all fit perfect.

robbe
03-31-2008, 03:01 AM
Nice one. Hard to pick a team. I once had a dream … all current NBA internationals plus some chosen Americans with Euroleague history coming back to play here. It was a totally fictional combination of: has been, is, could be, will never happen. Looked on 10 teams something like this …

It's a bit off-topic.

(ignored foreigner restrictions, teambuilding concerns and almost everything else)

Panathinaikos:
G Dimitris Diamantidis
G Vassilis Spanoulis
G Beno Udrih
SG Aleksandar Pavlovic
SF Predrag Stojakovic
F Antonis Fotsis
F Stratos Perperoglou
PF Kostas Tsartsaris
PF Dimos Dikoudis
PF Mike Batiste
C Nikola Pekovic

Maccabi:
PG Sarunas Jasikevicius
G Yotam Halperin
G Derrick Sharp
SG Anthony Parker
SG Alex Garcia
G/F David Bluthenthal
F Maceo Baston
F Lior Eliyahu
F Omri Casspi
PF Terrence Morris
F/C Yannif Green
C Nikola Vujcic

Barcelona:
PG Ricky Rubio
PG Jaka Lakovic
G Juan Carlos Navarro
G/F Trajan Langdon
G/F Thabo Sefolosha
SF Linas Kleiza
PF Jordi Trias
PF Anderson Varejao
PF Fran Vazquez
C Pau Gasol
C Marc Gasol

Unicaja:
PG Pepe Sanchez
PG Carlos Cabezas
SG Berni Rodriguez
SG Jiri Welsch
SF Walter Herrmann
PF Jorge Garbajosa
PF Vladimir Radmanovic
C Fabricio Oberto
C Daniel Santiago

Olympiacos:
PG Milos Teodosic
G Sasha Vujacic
SG Arvydas Macijauskas
G/F Gordan Giricek
G/F Kostas Vassiliadis
F Panagiotis Vasilopoulos
F Georgios Printezis
PF Zaza Pachulia
F/C Darko Milicic
C Radoslav Nesterovic
C Ioannis Bouroussis
C Loukas Mavrokefalidis

Real:
PG Raul Lopez
PG Sergio Rodriguez
SG Louis Bullock
G/F Charles Smith
SF Mickael Pietrus
F Alex Mumbru
F Mickael Gelabale
PF Dirk Nowitzki
PF Iker Iturbe
PF Axel Hervelle
F/C Felipe Reyes
C Lazaros Papadopoulos

TAU:
PG Jose Manuel Calderon
PG Pablo Prigioni
SG Igor Rakocevic
SG Sergi Vidal
G/F Zoran Planinic
F Andres Nocioni
PF Luis Scola
PF Ronnie Turiaf
C Tiago Splitter
C Primoz Brezec

CSKA:
PG JR Holden
PG Theodoros Papaloukas
SG Rudy Fernandez
SF Ramunas Siskauskas
F Victor Khryapa
PF Andrei Kirilenko
PF Marcus Goree
PF/C Nenad Krstic
C Aleksei Savrasenko
C Tomas Van den Spiegel

Virtus:
G Marko Jaric
G Nikolaos Zisis
SG Manu Ginobili
SG Marco Belinelli
G/F Carlos Delfino
SF Bostjan Nachbar
PF Matjaz Smodis
PF Andrea Bargnani
F/C David Andersen
C Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Efes Pilsen:
PG Tony Parker
PG Kerem Tunceri
SG Sani Becirovic
SG Serkan Erdogan
SF Hidayet Turkoglu
F Boris Diaw
F Ersan Ilyasova
PF Darius Songaila
C Mehmet Okur
C Andris Biedrins

panteluke
08-24-2008, 11:27 AM
What if we had a EU NT?

Really difficult to choose the 12 players.

I'm pretty sure Dirk and Pau would be starters. Maybe Diamantidis too(hey guys we need defence).

I'd like to hear other choices..

suka
08-24-2008, 11:31 AM
What if we had a EU NT?

Really difficult to choose the 12 players.

I'm pretty sure Dirk and Pau would be starters. Maybe Diamantidis too(hey guys we need defence).

I'd like to hear other choices..
It's would be not fair for others nt teams wich don't have many strong individuals, but mostly plays as a team. So no, EU NT for me.

panteluke
08-24-2008, 11:33 AM
This is an imaginary scenario. And who knows? Maybe in 50 years there will be EU and countries might be something like states. So, in that case, the coach will have to choose 12 players to form a team ;)

Lebron23
08-24-2008, 11:36 AM
All Euro National Team

C- Chris Kaman ( Germany)
F- Paul Gasol
F- Dirk Nowitzki
G- Rudy Fernandez
G- Tony Parker


C- Andrei Kirilenko
F- Luol Deng ( Great Britain)
F- Linas Kleiza
G- John Robert Holden ( Russia)
G- Sharas Jasekevicius

F- Antonio Fotsis
F- Vasileios Spanoulis

panteluke
08-24-2008, 12:11 PM
After a little thought:

Starters: Diamantidis, Rudy, Siska, Dirk, Pau.

Bench: Saras, Navarro, Diaw, Smodis, Lavrinovic, Spanoulis, Kleiza.

(Russia, Croatia and Serbia are not members of EU so I didn't choose players like Peja)

Gyroscope
08-24-2008, 12:23 PM
Here's my 12

G: Diamantidis, Fernandez, Jasikevicius, Calderón, Spanoulis
F: P. Gasol, Nowitzki, Fotsis, Kirilenko
C: Koufos, Kaman, M. Gasol

So, 4 Greeks, 4 Spanish, 2 Germans, 1 Russian, 1 Lithuanian...

Hmmm...I think I'm a bit prejudiced :D

Still, it'd make an awesome team IMO

PS
Messina for coach

KrisPen
08-24-2008, 12:35 PM
Diamantidis, Parker, Calderon
Jasikevicius, Spanoulis
Siskauskas, Rudy
Nowitzki, Kirilenko, Smodis
Pau Gasol, Pekovic
Messina for coach

Dareliukaz
08-24-2008, 12:35 PM
All Euro National Team

C- Chris Kaman ( Germany)
F- Paul Gasol
F- Dirk Nowitzki
G- Rudy Fernandez
G- Tony Parker


C- Andrei Kirilenko
F- Luol Deng ( Great Britain)
F- Linas Kleiza
G- John Robert Holden ( Russia)
G- Sharas Jasekevicius

F- Antonio Fotsis
F- Vasileios Spanoulis

Normal, but Kaman,Fotsis out - Ilgauskas,Siskauskas in

Juan Carlos Nadal
08-24-2008, 12:44 PM
Normal, but Kaman,Fotsis out - Ilgauskas,Siskauskas in

Ilgauskas shouldn't be included. The Cavs wouldn't let him play even if it was for an imaginary NT.

panteluke
08-24-2008, 12:52 PM
Ilgauskas shouldn't be included. The Cavs wouldn't let him play even if it was for an imaginary NT.

LOL!!!!

But I cannot understand this thing with Kaman. I have seen him only with German NT this summer and my opinion is that he's an average player.


Of course Mesina for coach.

kaunaz
08-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Gasol
Nowitzki
Stojakovic
Giricek
Parker

Ilgauskas
Kirilenko
Turkoglu
(SG??)
Jasikevicius

Okur
Calderon

I don't have any ideas who can be the SG for this team. And Kaman, Holden, Deng ant etc are not europeans. Holden if he would be european, he never be selected to European dream team because there many point guards better than him.

ps. Lavrinovic, Holden, Fotsis, Koufos - LOL... :D

hotjam_2
08-24-2008, 09:21 PM
I'll go with

CENTER
Pau Gasol
Big Z

FWDS
Kirilenko
Nowitski
Turkoglu
Smodis
Gurovic

GUARDS
Tony Parker
A Pluta
Diaminditis
M Belinelli
Rudy F

kecal
08-24-2008, 09:44 PM
Come on, people, I thought we are talking about EU NT, not European NT... Kirilenko, Turkoglu, Gurovič, Stojakovič, Holden? Sorry, guys, they do not qualify...

Javiky
08-24-2008, 11:39 PM
Ilgauskas shouldn't be included. The Cavs wouldn't let him play even if it was for an imaginary NT.
Ilgauskas wouldn´t play even if Ilgauskas would be the cavs owner

Rezatron
08-25-2008, 12:04 AM
LOL!!!!

But I cannot understand this thing with Kaman. I have seen him only with German NT this summer and my opinion is that he's an average player.


Of course Mesina for coach.

Yeah, it's the best way to judge a player.

Juan Carlos Nadal
08-25-2008, 03:45 AM
Am I really that drunk, or did I just see Pluta's name being mentioned above?...

panteluke
08-25-2008, 08:06 AM
Am I really that drunk, or did I just see Pluta's name being mentioned above?...

Who is Pluta?

damelo
08-25-2008, 08:57 AM
Andrzej Pluta is Poland PG.

My teams:
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Boris Diaw
Rudy Fernandez
Tony Parker
Rasho Nesterovic
Jorge Garbajosa
Luol Deng
Juan Carlos Navarro
Jose Manuel Calderon
Sofoklis Schortsianitis
Ricky Rubio

I would go with a staring five with Boris Diaw, who is a great creator, and a great player if all the pressure is not on him. And, he can alternate with Nowitzki to be the second Low post in order to have Nowitzki shooting, and maybe create Matchups.
Second five is more equilibrated, with all five players being dangerous, and one more orientated creator at the point, calderon.
As two developping players, role players, Sofo, for instant insied offense, and Ricky for defense. and future.

I only picked player from European union, so, no Serbians, Croatians, Russians, etc... Maybe you could go with Siska for second SF.

But, I think this team looks quite balanced, and with good players anyway.

Gyroscope
08-25-2008, 09:23 AM
damelo, from all the Greeks, you went and picked (too)Big Sofo??? :eek:

I'm glad the chances of you being hired as a coach for Greece are very slim indeed! :D





..

damelo
08-25-2008, 09:56 AM
damelo, from all the Greeks, you went and picked (too)Big Sofo??? :eek:

I'm glad the chances of you being hired as a coach for Greece are very slim indeed! :D
..

Man, big Sofo is very impressive, and is efficient on very short periods. I would never start him, or even use him more than 10 minutes a game. But, for five minutes, he can boost you're team, and give problems to opponents inside players with lots of fouls.

Gyroscope
08-25-2008, 11:43 AM
Did you watch Greece's games in the tournament? Sofo was the most useless Greek player and, arguably, the LVP (less valuable player) of the whole tournament. Every time he touched the ball, there was either a turnover, an offensive foul, or a missed FT. With the exception of the game vs China, Greece lost momentum every time Sofo entered the court :D

Straight forward
08-25-2008, 11:48 AM
Easy:

Jasikevičius, Calderon, Diamantidis
Navarro, Macijauskas,
Šiškauskas, Stojakovic, Turkoglu
Smodis, Songaila
Pau, Ilgauskas

damelo
08-25-2008, 11:59 AM
Did you watch Greece's games in the tournament? Sofo was the most useless Greek player and, arguably, the LVP (less valuable player) of the whole tournament. Every time he touched the ball, there was either a turnover, an offensive foul, or a missed FT. With the exception of the game vs China, Greece lost momentum every time Sofo entered the court :D

I watched parts of games, as I'm working... but, he was not yet at his level I think. Maybe there are some cast errors in my team, but, i tried to make a team with complementary players, a team that would work.

elaj
08-25-2008, 12:09 PM
PG: Parker, Jasikevičius, Calderon
SG: Fernandez, Navarro
SF: Šiškauskas, Nachbar
PF: Nowitzki, Smodiš
C: P. Gasol, Ilgauskas, Nesterovič

Coach: Ettore Messina

robbe
08-25-2008, 12:40 PM
Coach: Ettore Messina

PG/SG Dimitris Diamantidis - PG Ricky Rubio
PG/SG Vassilis Spanoulis - SG Rudy Fernandez - SG Nikos Chatzivrettas
SF Ramunas Siskauskas - SF/PF Carlos Jimenez
PF Matjaz Smodis - PF Felipe Reyes - PF Kosta Tsartsaris
C Pau Gasol - C Radoslav Nesterovic

PG/SG Dimitris Diamantidis: Looked tired, but when at 100%, he brings everything to the table you can ask for. Additionally, his versatility on both ends of the floor allows you to partner either a pure SG, a pure PG or a combo with him in the backcourt. And he will play disciplined ball, just as Messina asks it.
PG Ricky Rubio: Regardless of his age: Work-ethic, great defender already, can change a game within seconds with his steals.
PG/SG Vassilis Spanoulis: That's the position I'd have to think about most. Saras is an option too, just like he plays at PAO alongside DD, but as he is getting older, slower, and worse on defense, I'll give it to Spanoulis. Calderon is a wonderful player, but alongside DD, I'd look for someone being able to break down the defense. Spanoulis has been - sometimes well-deserved - getting a lot of criticism over the last couple of years, but I see a lot of progress in this player in terms of developing PG skills and playing the game the right way. Parker would also have been a possibility, and "La Bomba" too. I don't think Spanoulis is "better", but he'd fit better. And he's a very aggressive defender.
SG Rudy Fernandez: Not at all a fan of his (yet), but he adds the surprise element and can score one-on-one, if needed, just like Holden sometimes does at CSKA currently. And much energy off the bench together with Rubio to spark the team.
SG Nikos Chatzivrettas: An unusual choice maybe, but he's the ultimate pro, will play excellent 5-10 minutes on defense and maybe drain the corner three on offense. I don't think you need 12 stars on a 12-man roster.
SF Ramunas Siskauskas: A scoring-threat from all areas, solid defender, very efficient. Maybe not the toughest around, but I think there's no way around him on the three spot.
SF/PF Carlos Jimenez: Very reliable, outstanding defender, good rebounder, does the little things, in my opinion played a large role in reigniting the Spanish team (maybe they were just playing with more fire, I don't know) in the Olympics.
PF Matjaz Smodis: I could have chosen Dirk of course, but I think Dirk needs too many shots and cannot play to the book like Smodis does, which is important with Messina. Additionally, there's something I wouldn't like about a Nowitzki-Gasol frontcourt. Smodis is a brilliant player, a coaches dream, plays with great energy and toughness.
PF Felipe Reyes: A no-brainer, because he doesn't need anything. You put him in there, he plays hard, gets rebounds, scores off them, runs the floor, defends.
PF Kosta Tsartsaris: One of the smartest players around, does all the little things, is able to defend all positions, can hit the three.
PF/C Pau Gasol: We know him, very mobile, I don't always like his attitude, but his scoring ability is unrivalled on the five spot in European basketball.
C Radoslav Nesterovic: One of my favourite players, splendid positional defender, cool and efficient on offense. Doesn't lead by talking, but by performing.

Gyroscope
08-25-2008, 12:40 PM
I watched parts of games, as I'm working... but, he was not yet at his level I think. Maybe there are some cast errors in my team, but, i tried to make a team with complementary players, a team that would work.

We're cool, it's only a fantasy team anyway. :)

AlbionGate
09-27-2008, 05:54 PM
PG Parker - Rubio - Diamantidis
SG Belinelli - Spanoulis
SF Fernandez - Gallinari
PF Nowitzki - Smodis - Bargnani
C Gasol - Lampe

Straight forward
09-27-2008, 07:12 PM
PG Parker - Rubio - Diamantidis
SG Belinelli - Spanoulis
SF Fernandez - Gallinari
PF Nowitzki - Smodis - Bargnani
C Gasol - Lampe

Bargnani, Lampe, Belinelli. Who are those? Heroes from the future? :p

AlbionGate
10-01-2008, 08:06 PM
Bargnani, Lampe, Belinelli. Who are those? Heroes from the future? :p

Have you seen Lampe playing last year in Khimki. Probably not. He was unstoppable.
I agree that Belinelli and Bargnani didn't have great seasons.

Belinelli is actually the best european shooter. I think he will prove it soon like Petrovic did (he didn't play in Portland, then he became All-star in New Jersey)

Unfortunately for Bargnani, he and Bosh are both PF, so he didn't have a great role in his team.

Srle
10-06-2008, 01:58 AM
Bargnani is a bust in the rank of Milicic. Only thing he can do is shooting.

Parker,Diamantidis,Calderon
Fernandez,Spanoulis
Stojakovic,Diaw
Nowitzki,Smodis
Gasol,Pekovic

Srle
10-06-2008, 02:02 AM
Coach: Ettore Messina

PG/SG Dimitris Diamantidis - PG Ricky Rubio
PG/SG Vassilis Spanoulis - SG Rudy Fernandez - SG Nikos Chatzivrettas
SF Ramunas Siskauskas - SF/PF Carlos Jimenez
PF Matjaz Smodis - PF Felipe Reyes - PF Kosta Tsartsaris
C Pau Gasol - C Radoslav Nesterovic

PG/SG Dimitris Diamantidis: Looked tired, but when at 100%, he brings everything to the table you can ask for. Additionally, his versatility on both ends of the floor allows you to partner either a pure SG, a pure PG or a combo with him in the backcourt. And he will play disciplined ball, just as Messina asks it.
PG Ricky Rubio: Regardless of his age: Work-ethic, great defender already, can change a game within seconds with his steals.
PG/SG Vassilis Spanoulis: That's the position I'd have to think about most. Saras is an option too, just like he plays at PAO alongside DD, but as he is getting older, slower, and worse on defense, I'll give it to Spanoulis. Calderon is a wonderful player, but alongside DD, I'd look for someone being able to break down the defense. Spanoulis has been - sometimes well-deserved - getting a lot of criticism over the last couple of years, but I see a lot of progress in this player in terms of developing PG skills and playing the game the right way. Parker would also have been a possibility, and "La Bomba" too. I don't think Spanoulis is "better", but he'd fit better. And he's a very aggressive defender.
SG Rudy Fernandez: Not at all a fan of his (yet), but he adds the surprise element and can score one-on-one, if needed, just like Holden sometimes does at CSKA currently. And much energy off the bench together with Rubio to spark the team.
SG Nikos Chatzivrettas: An unusual choice maybe, but he's the ultimate pro, will play excellent 5-10 minutes on defense and maybe drain the corner three on offense. I don't think you need 12 stars on a 12-man roster.
SF Ramunas Siskauskas: A scoring-threat from all areas, solid defender, very efficient. Maybe not the toughest around, but I think there's no way around him on the three spot.
SF/PF Carlos Jimenez: Very reliable, outstanding defender, good rebounder, does the little things, in my opinion played a large role in reigniting the Spanish team (maybe they were just playing with more fire, I don't know) in the Olympics.
PF Matjaz Smodis: I could have chosen Dirk of course, but I think Dirk needs too many shots and cannot play to the book like Smodis does, which is important with Messina. Additionally, there's something I wouldn't like about a Nowitzki-Gasol frontcourt. Smodis is a brilliant player, a coaches dream, plays with great energy and toughness.
PF Felipe Reyes: A no-brainer, because he doesn't need anything. You put him in there, he plays hard, gets rebounds, scores off them, runs the floor, defends.
PF Kosta Tsartsaris: One of the smartest players around, does all the little things, is able to defend all positions, can hit the three.
PF/C Pau Gasol: We know him, very mobile, I don't always like his attitude, but his scoring ability is unrivalled on the five spot in European basketball.
C Radoslav Nesterovic: One of my favourite players, splendid positional defender, cool and efficient on offense. Doesn't lead by talking, but by performing.

You gotta be Kidding!: :eek:

Neozyrus
10-06-2008, 08:33 AM
Its quite impossible for me to do just one team with so many incredible players so ill make 2:

TEAM 1

PG- Diamantidis, Calderon, Parker
SG- Navarro, Rudy
SF- Siskauskas, Diaw
PF- Nowitzki, Smodis, Reyes
C- Gasol, Ilgauskas

TEAM 2

PG- Saras, Rubio
SG- Spanoullis, Bellinelli, Macijauskas
SF- Deng, Nachbar, Kleiza
PF- Fotsis, (Garbajosa/Songaila)
C- Nesterovic, (M.Gasol/Lavrinovic/other)

I know i have been quite.... subjective :D

AlbionGate
10-06-2008, 12:03 PM
Bargnani is a bust in the rank of Milicic. Only thing he can do is shooting.

Parker,Diamantidis,Calderon
Fernandez,Spanoulis
Stojakovic,Diaw
Nowitzki,Smodis
Gasol,Pekovic

:eek:

This thread is about "European Union" National Team, so Stojakovic and Pekovic can't be selected.

Srle
10-06-2008, 04:00 PM
I dont care. I am selecting best Euro team.