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Kings
02-13-2020, 12:09 PM
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Mens


Pot 1: USA, Spain and Australia.
Pot 2: Argentina, Winner OQT Belgrade and France.
Pot 3: Winner OQT Victoria, Winner OQT Kaunas and Winner OQT Split.
Pot 4: Nigeria, Iran and Japan.

Group A: Iran, France, USA and Winner OQT Victoria.
Group B: Australia, Winner OQT Split, Winner OQT Belgrade and Nigeria.
Group C: Argentina, Japan, Spain and Winner OQT Kaunas.


Womens


Pot 1: USA, Australia and Spain.
Pot 2: Canada, France and Belgium.
Pot 3: Serbia, China and Japan.
Pot 4: Nigeria, Korea and Puerto Rico.

Group A: Korea, Serbia, Canada and Spain.
Group B: Nigeria, Japan, France and USA.
Group C: Australia, Puerto Rico, China and Belgium.

ZaliaBalta
02-13-2020, 01:06 PM
What OQT number stands for which OQT tournament?

EDIT: or the pot of a team that qualified through the Olympic tournament will be decided by FIBA rankings maybe, so my question is kinda answered.

Kings
02-13-2020, 10:04 PM
What OQT number stands for which OQT tournament?

EDIT: or the pot of a team that qualified through the Olympic tournament will be decided by FIBA rankings maybe, so my question is kinda answered.

O Olympic
Q Qualifying
T Tournament

ZaliaBalta
02-14-2020, 07:17 AM
O Olympic
Q Qualifying
T Tournament

Great comment

ichiroo
03-26-2020, 04:25 PM
that so pity that Olimpics were moved for the next year

Shawshank
05-03-2020, 08:02 PM
looking at 2014,2016,2019 tournament results we can see 5 clear teams that are ahead of the field.

1.Usa 2.Spain 3.Serbia 4.Australia 5.France

all these teams made 2 final fours in 3 tournaments .When you make it twice in 3 tournaments thats not a fluke.

Also Argentina in 2019 and Lithuania in 2014 made one final four appereance thats it.No other nation made final four in last 3 world events.

How power rankings will be effected by on year delay?

I believe Spain and Australia hurts the most from elite group they are primarily leaded by players in their 30+ every extra year counts for them more.Usa and France age wise doesnt change for them olympic will be held in 2020 or 2021.Argentina without Scola (he wll be 41 in Tokyo) isnt the same team,no inside presents at all without last golden generations dinasour.

Who is upcoming team that can make suprise and make final four in 2021 Olympics not counting those 5 elite countries?

mojo13
05-04-2020, 07:16 PM
looking at 2014,2016,2019 tournament results we can see 5 clear teams that are ahead of the field.

1.Usa 2.Spain 3.Serbia 4.Australia 5.France

all these teams made 2 final fours in 3 tournaments .When you make it twice in 3 tournaments thats not a fluke.

Also Argentina in 2019 and Lithuania in 2014 made one final four appereance thats it.No other nation made final four in last 3 world events.

How power rankings will be effected by on year delay?

I believe Spain and Australia hurts the most from elite group they are primarily leaded by players in their 30+ every extra year counts for them more.Usa and France age wise doesnt change for them olympic will be held in 2020 or 2021.Argentina without Scola (he wll be 41 in Tokyo) isnt the same team,no inside presents at all without last golden generations dinasour.

Who is upcoming team that can make suprise and make final four in 2021 Olympics not counting those 5 elite countries?



Yeah I'm biased but out of those mentioned above no one has the depth of young talent as Canada right now. I wont rehash Canada's depth today, but if we should ever pull it all together it would be pretty interesting to see.

No, you asked for a surprise and I'm here to offer up Nigeria. Already qualified for the Olympics and with some pretty decent NBA talent there sounds to be reinforcements are coming in the form of PG, Spencer Dinwiddie. In his sixth season in the league, the 27-year-old posted career highs of 20.6 points, 6.8 assists and 3.5 rebounds per game and was enjoying what was shaping up to be the best season of his career before the pandemic-enforced halt was called.

PG has been a tragic problem for Nigeria of late and per Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium, Spencer Dinwiddie is in the process of obtaining a Nigerian passport and will join the country's basketball team.

Nigerian team includes NBA players Al-Farouq Aminu, Josh Okogie, Chimezie Metu and former NBA forward Ekpe Udoh. Current Golden State Warriors assistant coach and former Cleveland Cavaliers and Los Angeles Lakers head coach Mike Brown was hired by the national squad in February.

Dinwiddie not only fills a position where D'Tigers have had some trouble recently, but also sends a message -- like the Brown hire -- that Nigeria are going all in for broke in Tokyo and beyond.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29075111/behind-nigeria-bid-land-brooklyn-nets-spencer-dinwiddie-olympics

Perhaps some of Victor Oladipo, Bam Adebayo, OG Anunoby, Jahlil Okafor, and many more with Nigerian connections join as well?

Katastroika
05-04-2020, 07:41 PM
Canada is nothing stronger than the other few teams that are miles behind USA. Murray is the only difference maker and he played his last FIBA tournament in FIBA U17 World Championship. For me this Canada Team is something like Serbia at last years World Cup, good to beat some scrubs with 150 points difference but when it comes hard on hard...

mojo13
05-05-2020, 02:30 AM
Canada is nothing stronger than the other few teams that are miles behind USA. Murray is the only difference maker and he played his last FIBA tournament in FIBA U17 World Championship. For me this Canada Team is something like Serbia at last years World Cup, good to beat some scrubs with 150 points difference but when it comes hard on hard...

I don't disagree with you but the question was who outside of 1.Usa 2.Spain 3.Serbia 4.Australia 5.France (Lith/Arg) could surprise in the Olympics.

I do think Shai Gilgeous Alexander is already at Jamal Murray's level and will soon be widely considered a better player (if is isn't already). SGA is the only Canadian right now, from my perspective, that has a chance of becoming a perennial Top 10 player in the NBA.

We have discussed before Canada's weakness will be experience, chemistry, teamwork etc - but if they can get most of their players to show up (a big, big if) it is a pretty stacked roster.

SGA / Joseph
Murray / Brooks
Wiggins / Barrett
Powell / Clarke
Olynyk / Thompson

And another 10-14 NBA/EuroLeague caliber players to fill the holes. Boucher, Lyles, Birch, Ennis, Dort, Stauskas, Pangos, Alexander-Walker, Kabengele, Mulder, Long, Shayok etc.

Canada could still quite easily fail to even Qualify, especial with the NBA schedule change. This I offered up Nigeria and one that could be an interesting surprise (and has already qualified).

mojo13
05-05-2020, 02:35 AM
Canada is nothing stronger than the other few teams that are miles behind USA. Murray is the only difference maker and he played his last FIBA tournament in FIBA U17 World Championship. For me this Canada Team is something like Serbia at last years World Cup, good to beat some scrubs with 150 points difference but when it comes hard on hard...

Also note that Murray played in the PanAM games for Canada as he was entering Kentucky. He has also attended Team Canada training camps for the WC Qualifiers and the WC but was held out due to injury (same with Brooks, Barrett, Powell, Olynyk and many others)

Straight forward
05-05-2020, 07:42 AM
To me both SGA and Barret are more important pieces for Canada in a long run than Murray, and if Wiggins somehow settle in, that's huge bunch, knowing that other pieces all are NBA quality. First 2 have length, IQ and more of an international mind set which might be huge for Canada. Murray can be Canada's Patty Mills without the sense of what's FIBA ball is, I have a feeling. The same goes for Wiggins, but Wiggins also brings athleticism and ability to control wider areas defensively, ect. Canada is a basketball farm now, they have prospects even going further. Personally, I think they have clearly highest star players quality after USA, nor even Serbia, France are in this category. But we all know Canada's issues, so it's a question whenever it will ever stick together.

Katastroika
05-05-2020, 09:10 AM
I don't consider Barrett a difference maker, Brooks is a very interesting player, it has to be seen if he can get a volume scorer in international rules. For SGA - huge talent, incredible athleticism but nothing serious has been seen from him. Regular season. That's it. Next playoffs will be interesting to see. And personally I think for FIBA basketball Murray a much more dangerous player for opponents than SGA. But Murray is de facto no point guard, he's a pure scorer. Would be interesting to see a combo-guard lineup with SGA - Murray - Wiggins even I would pick Joseph over SGA in FIBA.

To me Canada is leveled with 5-6 other teams but nothing stronger. I stay with this point until they prove me wrong. Of course, as every basketball fan, I would love to see them completed as I love to see every team completed at all competitions.

For me there's a quality gap between guards and swingmen/wing positions and high positions PF/C. I am really curious about Canada's future. They run under the radar obviously because they are never completed.

Shawshank
05-05-2020, 01:30 PM
I don't disagree with you but the question was who outside of 1.Usa 2.Spain 3.Serbia 4.Australia 5.France (Lith/Arg) could surprise in the Olympics.

I do think Shai Gilgeous Alexander is already at Jamal Murray's level and will soon be widely considered a better player (if is isn't already). SGA is the only Canadian right now, from my perspective, that has a chance of becoming a perennial Top 10 player in the NBA.

We have discussed before Canada's weakness will be experience, chemistry, teamwork etc - but if they can get most of their players to show up (a big, big if) it is a pretty stacked roster.

SGA / Joseph
Murray / Brooks
Wiggins / Barrett
Powell / Clarke
Olynyk / Thompson

And another 10-14 NBA/EuroLeague caliber players to fill the holes. Boucher, Lyles, Birch, Ennis, Dort, Stauskas, Pangos, Alexander-Walker, Kabengele, Mulder, Long, Shayok etc.

Canada could still quite easily fail to even Qualify, especial with the NBA schedule change. This I offered up Nigeria and one that could be an interesting surprise (and has already qualified).

lets say Canada brings all that team is that team better than Usa 2019 team? I doubt that and we all saw even Usa cant win " just on tallent" with top40,top 50 nba level players with no fiba experience.

Even Usa needs some mature professionals real nba stars Durants/Thompsons/Irvings cards that could take over the game super tallented youngsters will not do that.If you dont have such top15 nba player on your roster and have no chemistry between players only good nba players that still doesnt promise you anything Usa 2019 failure shown that.

its hard to beat those 5-6 elite teams that have been together for years and is playoofs tested teams.

I still feel big favourites making semifinal in Tokyo is Usa and 3 from Spain/Serbia/Australia/France.

Canada until they gonna show world of basketball that they can win playoofs game against other top 10 world team its hard for me to take them seriuosly as medal contender . Canada will need more time and more tournaments to be ready to win playoofs games and find their group of leaders that will represent NT 4-5 years run.

I would look somewhere to nations who atleats where in playoofs searching for cinderella suprise story .That before was beat by those top 5 atleats they were already in playoofs type battles and knows what is like to face those elite teams that really counts for upcomming tournaments.

watching basketball for 20+ years its very rare that new group of players came and win playoofs games in fiba in their first run.

Ofcourse unless you are usa and bring like top 5 players of entire world :) Usually its process and players need to get beat and got ass kicked ...learn from that and comeback stronger.

mojo13
05-05-2020, 04:28 PM
Agree for the most part but that 2019 USA WC team had easily enough talent to dominate that tournament. But they didn't this time as most everything else broke the wrong way.

This time around they had poor preparation, poor moral (everyone that quit on them leading up), poor coaching, poor leadership, poor tactics, poor roster composition all leading to poor chemistry. A little more in their favor with a few of these things and they would have surprised no one with a gold medal performance.

Things can break the other way - good coaching, pieces fit well, good moral, good tactics all coming together with good chemistry combined with superior talent. To me that can make up for lack of experience. Not saying it is bound to happen, but it wouldn't be surprising to see a Canadian team with most of their best talent all come together and make a medal run. They'll never be as talented as the USA, that is clear - but perhaps the other inputs break in opposite direction (they did in the U19 WCs).

I do think you under-appreciate Shai Gilgeous Alexander and suggest you keep an eye on him. He was OKCs (a solid playoff team) leading scorer already this year - not Gallinari, nor Schroder nor CP3. He will be an Allstar and is a legitimate candidate to make an All-NBA team. I can not confidently say that about any other Canadian. To me it is too early to tell with RJ Barrett (19), he may be nothing more than an above average NBA player, but SGA (21) is clearly something special.

Shawshank
05-05-2020, 06:15 PM
usa 2019 thats was by far weakest usa team i have seen since nba era started.


In 2019 i didnt see overhelming tallent advantage like it was before in other tournaments.It wasnt even big sensation that very good matured nba players like Gobert,Fournier,Batum will have no fear what so over playing youngster Usa send like Tatum,D.Mitchell,Turner.

When Greece beat Usa in 2006 they were celebrating like winning world war 3 :) because they knew they can win one in 10 games againts that team.France was happy ,but not jumping like crazy,some of those France players would make such Usa team .Im sure that France 2019 would win more than once against that Usa 2019 in 10 games.

Durant 2010, Harden,Curry,Irving 2014 thats literally was future nba mvps upcomming thats was making huge diffence in those past tournaments. I dont talk about Olympics those USA teams were loaded half of the team was with players like that.

I dont see a single player in 2019 usa team that can win MVP one day.Tatum will be good all star ,but not MVP calibre star.

If such lineup 2019 usa tallent struglled in WC ,so you can be sure similiar level team would struggle in Olympics even more.In Olympics all best international players show up unless injury.In WC thats not the case.

No coach can make diffrence in one month in summer with tottaly new group what other NT builts chemistry wise in 4-7years,some even 10+ years.

Usa team will never had those pluses over other NT. Similiar story can happen to Canada nba players in first few years when they will play together.

USA prepares, but not on the level other international team prepares in details.Usa rely on tallent more at the end of the day. But when that tallent was not so overhelmingly better they lost to better prepared and way more experienced international team that also had bunch of nba players too.

Straight forward
05-06-2020, 07:53 AM
Canada is in pretty good position if we compare them with USA's WC teams. 2019 USA team had tons of problems in the first place, the front line was thin and soft, key players very young, except Kemba who is the guy who aside pure scoring on a pure skill doesn't give much if any. Tatum barely played in this tournament. In my opinion that named Canada team may even have an edge over USA 2019 roster, because of better chemistry, more length and athleticism. Even if not, if Canada is close to 2019 WC team which was healthy Tatum or other true stud behind championship, they are in pretty good position. But, yeah, even some notably less talented teams, but fundamentally sound teams as Czech Rep or Argentina, can take down stacked Canada on a given night. However, talent mean a lot and Canada has plenty of it. With such named roster they would be flat out contenders.

mojo13
05-06-2020, 04:55 PM
Canada is in pretty good position if we compare them with USA's WC teams. 2019 USA team had tons of problems in the first place, the front line was thin and soft, key players very young, except Kemba who is the guy who aside pure scoring on a pure skill doesn't give much if any. Tatum barely played in this tournament. In my opinion that named Canada team may even have an edge over USA 2019 roster, because of better chemistry, more length and athleticism. Even if not, if Canada is close to 2019 WC team which was healthy Tatum or other true stud behind championship, they are in pretty good position. But, yeah, even some notably less talented teams, but fundamentally sound teams as Czech Rep or Argentina, can take down stacked Canada on a given night. However, talent mean a lot and Canada has plenty of it. With such named roster they would be flat out contenders.


I'll point out that the Canadian players are not strangers to each other like it may seem with some of these USA teams. This is a much smaller pool of players and are mostly from the same metro. They all know each other, most of them are from the greater Toronto area and many grew up together. Most of them are involved in Team Canada camps over the years even if many of them did not end up playing in a major event. Many have played together many times on youth teams (AAU, FIBA u16-19), attended summer camps together growing up etc. Many of them play together in the off-season NBA summer sessions in Toronto like OVA/carbina.

Chemistry could certainly be an issue, learning to play together at an elite level versus screwing around in the summer is very different. But the point is, they are not strangers - they know each other, have leaders, followers, role players, etc. Even Wiggins from what I understand is well liked by the other players and I think would fit in. Especially in a secondary or tertiary role.

decklego
05-21-2020, 12:25 AM
is for better, right now is better to wait.

Mindozas
01-29-2021, 01:22 PM
FIBA announced seeding before the draw, which will be held on February 2nd:

For mens it's

Pot 1: USA, Spain, Australia
Pot 2: Argentina, France, OQT winner (Belgrade)
Pot 3: Rest of OQT winners
Pot 4: Nigeria, Iran, Japan

https://youtu.be/Muy0MnHH5XQ for details

But basically all was expected, no more than 2 European teams in one group too, and no more than 1 from other continents

Knowing that two best 3rd place finishers will qualify, according to new system, I guess none will want Nigeria from 4th pot or USA from 1st, you can damage you points difference badly this way and some team which will beat, let's say Iran by bigger margin will qualify instead... I still can't get used to this (IMO) stupid new system

Katastroika
01-29-2021, 03:44 PM
Let's qualify first Mindozas, then we will speak about avoiding in each other in July :)

Mindozas
01-29-2021, 04:33 PM
Let's qualify first Mindozas, then we will speak about avoiding in each other in July :)

Hehe, true dat :) I intentionally didn't try to analyse who would suit us better, just a look at overall perspective of 2nd and 3rd pot teams, and I still can't accept these changes being a big fan of Olympics

Kings
02-02-2021, 09:56 AM
Womens

Group A: Korea, Serbia, Canada and Spain.
Group B: Nigeria, Japan, France and USA.
Group C: Australia, Puerto Rico, China and Belgium.

Kings
02-02-2021, 10:12 AM
Mens

Group A: Iran, France, USA and Winner OQT Victoria.
Group B: Australia, Winner OQT Split, Winner OQT Belgrade and Nigeria.
Group C: Argentina, Japan, Spain and Winner OQT Kaunas.

Mindozas
02-02-2021, 10:18 AM
Mens:

A: USA, France, OQT (in Canada), Iran

B: Australia, OQT (in Serbia), OQT (in Croatia), Nigeria

C: Spain, Argentina, OQT (in Lithuania), Japan


Quite balanced draw. If we'll qualify, I think we will get into nice group, Japan as rival to boost points difference, no big favs like USA to lose big. Argentina and Spain also a bit on downtrend, so beatable rivals. But that's just in theory for now :)

Katastroika
02-02-2021, 12:04 PM
I am satisfied with our potential opponents, too.

Hope we will make it.

Serbian_Layup
02-02-2021, 12:12 PM
I don't care about this draw right now, because it looks like those Olympic qualification tournaments are going to be as tough as it can get for some big teams. Great uncertainty about who is going to be available and who's not...and there are always health problems which Serbia for example is already experiencing big time.

Katastroika
02-02-2021, 12:21 PM
To be honest I do.

This time the most fatal draw would have been drawn together with USA because one more additional loss is eliminating you pretty surely. As this is avoided we can head into February windows and slightly prepare for June afterwards.

Serbian_Layup
02-02-2021, 12:30 PM
To be honest I do.

This time the most fatal draw would have been drawn together with USA because one more additional loss is eliminating you pretty surely. As this is avoided we can head into February windows and slightly prepare for June afterwards.

That's the key right there. We don't have time for preparations, in fact no one does. Besides that, I think there is a slim chance that our two best players are going to show up (Jokić and Bogdan) for various reasons. Then add Milutinov's injury...some other players with chronic injury problems too, and all of a sudden our biggest strengths against Italy as our strongest opponent are getting weakened.

We avoided USA and that's great, but it won't mean much if we don't get there.

Mindozas
02-02-2021, 12:35 PM
Even if we, Lithuania/Serbia are not qualified, but we are not some underdogs either, we are among favorites in our qualifying tournaments, so it's normal to look forward to what might happen if we'll actually make it. I don't think that qualifying to Olympics alone would mean that we are satisfied now and can stop here. It's of course great to be there, but the least I want is to make it to PO in Tokyo and then anything can happen. So we can take these qualifiers as 1st step to our goal, Olympic group as 2nd and etc. How far we will go only time will tell, but it's good to know the possible path and rivals

Katastroika
02-02-2021, 12:42 PM
That's the key right there. We don't have time for preparations, in fact no one does. Besides that, I think there is a slim chance that our two best players are going to show up (Jokić and Bogdan) for various reasons. Then add Milutinov's injury...some other players with chronic injury problems too, and all of a sudden our biggest strengths against Italy as our strongest opponent are getting weakened.

We avoided USA and that's great, but it won't mean much if we don't get there.

Bogdan started shooting practice, he will be fine. I don't expect Hawks in Eastern finals. Jokic will most likely join if we qualify but don't forget his relation with Milojevic and Kokoskov, I think not last word is spoken here, too. We will have for sure a good enough team to compete against everyone.

I buy that we should go step by step as I am also fan of this concept but as Mindozas said it's clearly normal to check whom we can play against.

Straight forward
02-02-2021, 12:55 PM
I wouldn't be so reserved. IMO, Lithuania has terrific chances to be in Olympics, and the draw is good also, can't add much to Mindozas' take. But...I could summarize it this way though: we have only one little problem, we don't have a head coach. If we had a real head coach, I would say we pretty much won lottery ticket, specially remembering what we had after 2019WC draw. Now I have a feeling Maskolunas will find ways to screw big time. I doubt anybody can blame after what I've recently saw.

juli_rc
02-02-2021, 01:01 PM
Good draw for us! We already avoided USA (same continent) and in the draw avoid Nigeria (every year getting stronger).

3 team from group A have unfavorable odds. The two best third-placed teams should come from groups B and C.

I hate this format! :mad:

Shawshank
02-02-2021, 01:04 PM
Is there is know how exactly second draw gonna be made after groups is over?

For example 3 group winners goes to one basket, second place winners to other or some other way?

I imagine group winners can't meet in 1/4 right?

Strongest group will be B, but how system is built worst scenerio is playing in A with USA because of point difference.

Mindozas
02-02-2021, 01:04 PM
Good draw for us! We already avoided USA (same continent) and in the draw avoid Nigeria (every year getting stronger).

3 team from group A have unfavorable odds. The two best third-placed teams should come from groups B and C.

I hate this format! :mad:

I guess most of us hate it :) Btw, Sergio Hernandez will remain your head coach, right? I had some doubts since he moved to coach to Spain, but found nothing about his plans to retire from NT



Is there is know how exactly second draw gonna be made after groups is over?

For example 3 group winners goes to one basket, second place winners to other or some other way?

I imagine group winners can't meet in 1/4 right?

The teams placed first and second in each group and the 2 best third placed teams will qualify for the Quarter-Finals.
The eight teams will be divided in a group D (best 4 teams) and a group E (remaining 4 teams).
The Quarter-Final pairings will be drawn on 1 July after the end of the Group Phase.

Katastroika
02-02-2021, 01:17 PM
But that group USA, France, Winner of Canada tournament is really like last years World Cup group of Lithuania. Every game will be like war.

Shawshank
02-02-2021, 01:20 PM
I guess most of us hate it :) Btw, Sergio Hernandez will remain your head coach, right? I had some doubts since he moved to coach to Spain, but found nothing about his plans to retire from NT




The teams placed first and second in each group and the 2 best third placed teams will qualify for the Quarter-Finals.
The eight teams will be divided in a group D (best 4 teams) and a group E (remaining 4 teams).
The Quarter-Final pairings will be drawn on 1 July after the end of the Group Phase.

But how they gonna decide which is nr4 or nr5 or nr6 team just on point difference? W/L ratio will be same.

So it's crusial to be nr4 team ( best second place winner) going to same basket as 3 group winners in such case.

Mindozas
02-02-2021, 01:25 PM
But how they gonna decide which is nr4 or nr5 or nr6 team just on point difference? W/L ratio will be same.

So it's crusial to be nr4 team ( best second place winner) going to same basket as 3 group winners in such case.

As ridiculous as it may sound, but yes, if number of wins will be equal, most likely it will be points difference. Olympic fate now might depend on how big one team will beat Japan or other Iran

Serbian_Layup
02-02-2021, 01:30 PM
Checking out rivals and doing some power rankings is fun and interesting, I agree with that... There are just many uncertainties and potential absences of key players in these OQ tournaments which might hurt favorites more than other teams and the difference between favorites and underdogs won't be as big as it would in normal circumstances.

And I'm not sure that Serbia and Lithuania with new coaches and without proper time for preparations are as big favorites as it seems at the first glance. Looking at NBA standings right now and possible development, it might very well happen that Italy and Slovenia come in full capacity (with Dončić and Gallinari), while Serbia and Lithuania could play without their best players (Jokić and Sabonis). Still, chances are looking good for both even in that case, but it might get very hot in Belgrade and Kaunas ;)

Shawshank
02-02-2021, 01:35 PM
As ridiculous as it may sound, but yes, if number of wins will be equal, most likely it will be points difference. Olympic fate now might depend on how big one team will beat Japan or other Iran

In Japan or Iran game everybody will pressure those poor teams too maximum for 40 minutes how this is system is built to win as much as possible :D

It can end up important not just not to become worst 3rd team, but also having chances becoming best second place team.

Toruko
02-02-2021, 02:14 PM
A Turkish idiom says "don't roll up your trousers before reaching the stream". It brings bad luck :D

madmax
02-02-2021, 04:26 PM
so what is the actual reason FIBA decided to abandon an established and working 2 groups of 6 format and go with this confusing 3 group mess instead? This way not only some teams will be screwed by being drawn into stronger more balanced groups, but winning the games will not even be enough anymore, as players will have to exert themselves for 40 minutes in every single game for that elusive point differential lol:rolleyes:

Mindozas
02-02-2021, 04:49 PM
so what is the actual reason FIBA decided to abandon an established and working 2 groups of 6 format and go with this confusing 3 group mess instead? This way not only some teams will be screwed by being drawn into stronger more balanced groups, but winning the games will not even be enough anymore, as players will have to exert themselves for 40 minutes in every single game for that elusive point differential lol:rolleyes:

Today before the draw one FIBA representative was talking about load management or smth like that - 6 games instead of 8 and etc. how great it is... basically typical FIBA brainwash how great they are and things they do.

Let alone these possible dumb situations when you'll have to play your best players while leading/losing big, at least in first rounds, this system has another big flaw - teams which will play last in last round will have major advantage over others. Usually such games are played at the same time for all teams to be in the same situation, but of course it won't happen here

mojo13
02-02-2021, 06:07 PM
Today before the draw one FIBA representative was talking about load management or smth like that - 6 games instead of 8 and etc. how great it is... basically typical FIBA brainwash how great they are and things they do.

Let alone these possible dumb situations when you'll have to play your best players while leading/losing big, at least in first rounds, this system has another big flaw - teams which will play last in last round will have major advantage over others. Usually such games are played at the same time for all teams to be in the same situation, but of course it won't happen here


As a Canadian fan...I was pretty disappointed to see this draw at first. Not to look past Turkey, Greece, Czech at all...but assuming Canada qualifies (and we bring a decent team) then Pool A looks to be the toughest pool. The fear of the USA running up a big point differential and causing the 3rd place in Pool A allot of trouble is the gut reaction.

But thinking about it more it could be a little less of a concern. Iran is the key here - as +50 points on Iran is not out of the realm of possibility. Same but a little less so with Pool C and Japan (Yuta and Rui could have a big impact).

With the USA I don't see them running up huge point differentials on either Canada or France. Assuming both Canada and France bring most of their NBA contingent they will both have the most NBA players of any teams. The USA players know these guys and are friends with them. There is no rivalry...there is no disrespect. Nothing really to prove and no reason to run up the score. I more see the USA having a comfortable lead and then laying off the gas a bit in the 4th with games in the 10-15 point differential range. Canada and France however would go balls out against Iran for a full 40 minutes.

Allot of wishful thinking here and at this point I am not even sure Canada can pull off hosting the Qualifier at this point, let alone win it. But thinking on this...the 3rd place team in Pool B could have the toughest situation.

juli_rc
02-03-2021, 02:14 AM
I guess most of us hate it :) Btw, Sergio Hernandez will remain your head coach, right? I had some doubts since he moved to coach to Spain, but found nothing about his plans to retire from NT



The teams placed first and second in each group and the 2 best third placed teams will qualify for the Quarter-Finals.
The eight teams will be divided in a group D (best 4 teams) and a group E (remaining 4 teams).
The Quarter-Final pairings will be drawn on 1 July after the end of the Group Phase.

Why Hate it? Is an olympic tornament, all great team is it in. The only team to avoid is USA...
Yes Sergio is in. Argentina coach staff is great!

juli_rc
02-03-2021, 02:41 AM
In order to compete, and get a medal Argentina needs to reach the maximum level as possible at the exact time, because is a short tournament... No room for bad nights since day one.

4 weeks of training camp, as Argentina always does...

PG: Campazzo (Denver, USA), Lapro (Real Madrid, SPA), Vildoza (Baskonia, SPA)
SG: Brussino (Zaragoza, SPA), Bolmaro (Barcelona, SPA)
SF: Garino (Zalgiris, LTU), Deck (Real Madrid, SPA)
PF: Scola (Varese, ITA), Vaulet (Manresa, SPA)
C: Delia (Trieste, ITA), Caffaro A. (Corrientes, ARG), Gallizi (Corrientes, ARG)

Possible:
SG: Delfino (Pessaro, ITA), Fjellerup (San Lorenzo, ARG)
C: Caffaro F. (Virginia, USA)

Don't see other players reaching the team.

Federoy
02-03-2021, 07:38 AM
I believe the change in format is going to result in less compelling basketball. Six games doesn't do the participants any justice because it allows for nearly zero margin for error in the preliminary rounds. FIBA manages to ruin everything.

Katastroika
02-03-2021, 08:16 AM
In order to compete, and get a medal Argentina needs to reach the maximum level as possible at the exact time, because is a short tournament... No room for bad nights since day one.

4 weeks of training camp, as Argentina always does...

PG: Campazzo (Denver, USA), Lapro (Real Madrid, SPA), Vildoza (Baskonia, SPA)
SG: Brussino (Zaragoza, SPA), Bolmaro (Barcelona, SPA)
SF: Garino (Zalgiris, LTU), Deck (Real Madrid, SPA)
PF: Scola (Varese, ITA), Vaulet (Manresa, SPA)
C: Delia (Trieste, ITA), Caffaro A. (Corrientes, ARG), Gallizi (Corrientes, ARG)

Possible:
SG: Delfino (Pessaro, ITA), Fjellerup (San Lorenzo, ARG)
C: Caffaro F. (Virginia, USA)

Don't see other players reaching the team.

Personally I don't see Campazzo in this training camp. Minimum for Denver will be conference semis this year.

juli_rc
02-04-2021, 02:30 PM
Personally I don't see Campazzo in this training camp. Minimum for Denver will be conference semis this year.

I forgot it! Yes :(