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Levenspiel
12-18-2019, 09:23 AM
The tournament will be held in Belgrade between June 23-28, 2020.




Group
Team
Qualification
FIBA World Ranking


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Flag_of_Serbia.svg/23px-Flag_of_Serbia.svg.png Serbia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia_national_basketball_team)
5th at the 2019 WC
6th


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Flag_of_the_Dominican_Republic.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_Dominican_Republic.svg.png Dominican Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic_national_basketball_team)
16th at the 2019 WC
19th


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/23px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png New Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_national_basketball_team)
19th at the 2019 WC
24th








B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Flag_of_Italy.svg/23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy_national_basketball_team)
9th at the 2019 WC
12th


B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Flag_of_Puerto_Rico.svg/23px-Flag_of_Puerto_Rico.svg.png Puerto Rico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_national_basketball_team)
15th at the 2019 WC
17th


B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Flag_of_Senegal.svg/23px-Flag_of_Senegal.svg.png Senegal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegal_national_basketball_team)
Wild Card
35th




The first two teams of each group qualifies, and play each other to reach the final. The winner of the final goes to the Olympics.

Katastroika
12-19-2019, 11:25 AM
http://www.fiba.basketball/olympics/men/2020/news/jokic-hopes-to-create-another-great-olympic-moment-for-serbia

Nikola confirmed, Bogdan seems to be safe, too. Looks like Serbia will have a very good team at the qualifiers (at least nominally).

Team I would love to see:

Micic, Teo, Jovic
Bogdan, Nedovic, Guduric
Lucic, Micov
Bjelica, Smailagic
Jokic, Milutinov

Good offense-defense balance, you can space whenever you want as all except Milutinov are shooting for 3, would be very nice to see this kind of team in Belgrade. Thinks it matches Kokoskov's philosophy very good.

Toruko
12-19-2019, 03:37 PM
http://www.fiba.basketball/olympics/men/2020/news/jokic-hopes-to-create-another-great-olympic-moment-for-serbia

Nikola confirmed, Bogdan seems to be safe, too. Looks like Serbia will have a very good team at the qualifiers (at least nominally).

Team I would love to see:

Micic, Teo, Jovic
Bogdan, Nedovic, Guduric
Lucic, Micov
Bjelica, Smailagic
Jokic, Milutinov

Good offense-defense balance, you can space whenever you want as all except Milutinov are shooting for 3, would be very nice to see this kind of team in Belgrade. Thinks it matches Kokoskov's philosophy very good.

The small forward position is a bit weak but rest is more than ok.

Wellbet
12-20-2019, 07:59 AM
Serbia is a pretty formidable team. And yeah I do agree with the good balance of offense and defense. The good court vision of each of everyone on this team, will be a huge factor.

Italian Pride
01-10-2020, 10:59 AM
after Hackett's retirement we have another black hole:pg position

If Nico Mannion won't join NT next summer,i don't know who will play like PG in Belgrade

Katastroika
01-10-2020, 01:53 PM
Maybe Moretti? Cinciarini? First step for Italian team is banning Gentile 25km away from every possible meeting of Italian team.

Italian Pride
01-10-2020, 04:15 PM
Maybe Moretti? Cinciarini? First step for Italian team is banning Gentile 25km away from every possible meeting of Italian team.

According to the season in italian league i would say Marco Spissu,starting PG of Dinamo Sassari, would deserve a chance,but he is so undersize,only 6-0 and not an athletic player

Katastroika
01-10-2020, 06:16 PM
Haven't watched Marco much to be honest except in Dinamo - Virtus this season. Interesting choice and big footsteps after Hackett's absence.

Toruko
01-10-2020, 06:19 PM
Whats with this Bucks guy DiVincenzo. Is he going to play for Italy in the qualifiers?

P.S. I know that he is not a play maker.

soulis79
01-10-2020, 10:19 PM
I think Italy will count on Belinelli services as a point guard. Maybe if he adapts as Basile did some years ago.Furthermore Mannion will be a lottery pick, so he will not be available. DiVicenzo if he actually plays, can carry the ball but i don't think that he is some kind of point guard, more a shot creator. It's a pity that these players(Belinelli, Bargniani, Galinari and Hackett) never achieved something special with their national team. That game against Lithuania (2015) will hunt them for years.

mojo13
01-14-2020, 06:32 AM
I think Italy will count on Belinelli services as a point guard. Maybe if he adapts as Basile did some years ago.Furthermore Mannion will be a lottery pick, so he will not be available. DiVicenzo if he actually plays, can carry the ball but i don't think that he is some kind of point guard, more a shot creator. It's a pity that these players(Belinelli, Bargniani, Galinari and Hackett) never achieved something special with their national team. That game against Lithuania (2015) will hunt them for years.

I know it is not the norm, but high draft picks sometimes play. Rui Hachimura would be an example this past Summer.

Italian Pride
01-14-2020, 10:42 PM
Whats with this Bucks guy DiVincenzo. Is he going to play for Italy in the qualifiers?

P.S. I know that he is not a play maker.

Di Vincenzo wants to play in June,but he does'nt have italian passport,so we'll see the next 4 months

Mannion in a recent interview on italian tv said that he wants to play https://sportando.basketball/nico-mannion-faro-di-tutto-per-giocare-per-litalia/

Mannion-Spissu
Belinelli-Di Vincenzo-Moraschini or Della Valle
Datome-Gentile-Abass
Gallinari-Polonara
Melli-Biligha

these are the best roster possible for us,i think not enough to defeat serbia at home

Toruko
01-14-2020, 10:46 PM
Di Vincenzo wants to play in June,but he does'nt have italian passport,so we'll see the next 4 months

Mannion in a recent interview on italian tv said that he wants to play https://sportando.basketball/nico-mannion-faro-di-tutto-per-giocare-per-litalia/

Mannion-Spissu
Belinelli-Di Vincenzo-Moraschini or Della Valle
Datome-Gentile-Abass
Gallinari-Polonara
Melli-Biligha

these are the best roster possible for us,i think not enough to defeat serbia at home

Normally not a bad roster but positions 1 and 5 are too weak indeed.

Katastroika
01-15-2020, 03:59 AM
Malone from Denver in Kokoškov's coaching staff. Very good move from KSS and Igor. Fantastic move.

Serbian_Layup
01-15-2020, 07:47 AM
Really good news for two reasons:

1. Jokić will be with NT for both Qualifiers and Olympics.

2. I'm sure Kokoškov has a pretty good idea how to make the best use of Jokić, but there is probably no one better than Malone when it comes to making Jokić be the best version of him. Really clever move by Kokoškov, he knows there is such a short time to make all the things go smooth from the start during these qualifications, so Malone will just speed up the process of integrating the Jokić-ball into our offensive identity. We can expect a lot of Denver-like sets, such as DHO-s, high post plays with a lot of off-ball movement, cutting from all angles, and a lot of open looks from the three point range. And I expect Bogdan-Jokić p&r fully unleashed. Great move by our Federation and Kokoškov. We are a good team without Jokić, but we are a different dimension if he is going to be put in the best possible position to succeed, and something tells me that is exactly going to happen.

This kind of open-minded approach followed by professionalism and commitment is really important in order to achieve something big.

Toruko
01-15-2020, 09:59 AM
I dont agree with you guys. Denver uses Jokic as point center. He is the main creator and this changes all defensive habits and the geometry of the team/court. Adapting in such a system is not very easy to realize especially not in that time. You can of course let him create insight altough he is much better creating from outside.

Katastroika
01-15-2020, 10:21 AM
With what you are concretely not agreeing? With Malone, one of the best coaches in the NBA, being in Serbian coaching staff? I cannot believe what I read.

Usually Serbs are incredibly critical to their national team but I haven't read one single opinion whether from fans nor from experts that think that this is a bad move.

Toruko
01-15-2020, 10:30 AM
With what you are concretely not agreeing? With Malone, one of the best coaches in the NBA, being in Serbian coaching staff? I cannot believe what I read.

Usually Serbs are incredibly critical to their national team but I haven't read one single opinion whether from fans nor from experts that think that this is a bad move.

Not with Melone. He will certainly helpful but using Jokic in the way Melone is using him in Denver wont be that easy. You can have him, i dont mind. :P

Katastroika
01-15-2020, 10:56 AM
We are not the Denver Nuggets nor should we be (out of various reasons). But it opens a lot of additional problems to our opponents if we use Jokic as center and not in dinosaur combinations with Marjanovic, Raduljica or simmilar type of players. This could be seen in 2016 where we played very good basketball. There are many restrictions like defensive three seconds which change the environment drastically. But it's not the point. It's also not the point if he will have 30/15/10 or 20/7/3 - it's a question of maximizing his strenghts. And in this direction I absolutely agree with Layup's post.

Jokic is by far our best player, he has incredible production at the low post, he can spread, im some situations he is pretty indefendable. I think that this could look very good with this roster. If it will be like that, I don't know. My expectations are quite high if everyone is healthy.

Serbian_Layup
01-15-2020, 12:01 PM
It won't be easy and I don't expect to see miracles in such a short time for preparations prior to the start of Qualifiers, but Serbian team has everything truly needed to deploy Jokić-ball in full capacity. Plenty of shooters, cutters and pretty decent perimeter defenders. Not to mention that Jokić with Teo, Bogdan and Micić will be a huge weapon in p&r sets as either finisher or facilitator when defenses collapse at him rolling to the basket, imagine leaving Bogdan, Bjelica alone in the corner, it's a piece of cake for Jokić. But for starters, use him solely as C, spread the floor, share the ball, and that alone will make this team unpredictable and very hard to stop. And I don't even think about all those sets and plays you can execute with Jokić in the low post, high post or simply by using DHO-s on the perimeter.

Bogdan and Bjelica are automatic from the long range, Micić and Teo are more often than not snipers, Gudurić is a good spot up shooter, Nedović is a bit streaky but also very dangerous. Then you have players that fit the profile of off-ball players or cutters in Jokić's offense, such as Lučić, Kalinić, Jović and Nedović (I think Nedović's athleticism will be deadly with Jokić if he would commit to a bit more off-ball role). Just mix it up, 2-3 shooters, 1-2 cutters should always be on the floor with Jokić, and it's a big trouble for teams to defend inside-outside game for 40 minutes. The main principle would be to use Jokić as C all the time.

The biggest challenge for Kokoškov will be to give a meaningful role to all of our players who really like to handle the ball and make plays, so that no one would feel alienated from the team's identity or playing in some kind of discomfort.

Dtown
02-24-2020, 02:37 AM
Hard to see anyone challenging Serbia. Talent wise in this tournament I think Italy's the only one who's close. Neutral site they might pull the upset, but beating a loaded Serbian team in Serbia seems too much to ask.

Katastroika
02-24-2020, 11:52 AM
I cannot remember a lost game against Italy since 1997 group stage. We really fit them maybe worst of all teams in FIBA and they fit us the most. But their strengths are well known. We need a good day to beat them, they need a perfect day to beat us. On the other hand, a loss against anyone else except them I would consider one of the greatest losses in our basketball history under those circumstances.

Italian Pride
02-28-2020, 10:27 AM
I cannot remember a lost game against Italy since 1997 group stage. We really fit them maybe worst of all teams in FIBA and they fit us the most. But their strengths are well known. We need a good day to beat them, they need a perfect day to beat us. On the other hand, a loss against anyone else except them I would consider one of the greatest losses in our basketball history under those circumstances.

Don t you remember EuroBasket 99?

We have few chances(15/20% not more in my opinioni),in order to raise them we need our best players in good shape(For example datome that never play in good shape with NT except one or maybe two tournaments)

I hope to see di vincenzo and mannion in belgrade but actually is very hard

Katastroika
02-29-2020, 01:19 PM
Don t you remember EuroBasket 99?

We have few chances(15/20% not more in my opinioni),in order to raise them we need our best players in good shape(For example datome that never play in good shape with NT except one or maybe two tournaments)

I hope to see di vincenzo and mannion in belgrade but actually is very hard

Of course I do, sorry! But it's really long time gone since then. Great battles against your team back then. There is a lot time until end of June and we have to see first rosters, injuries, form etc. In one game literally everyone can beat everyone so this procentual chances don't mean anything. Pressure will be high on Serbia. We don't play good usually in this games. I expect a final Serbia - Italy.

Katastroika
06-02-2020, 06:02 AM
Serbia will do a preparation from 22nd of June for one week at Kopaonik mountain with national team (missing players will be of course from NBA, ACB and Germany (just Lucic). Maybe we will see some question marks turning into exclamation marks considering roster for next year.

Serbian_Layup
06-09-2020, 08:47 PM
When can we expect this list to come out? NBA players are out, but what about Smailagić? Warriors are done for the season, won't be playing in this new NBA format for the remainder of the season, so he might be available. He's got very interesting and unusual skill set for a big man and he is really fun to watch. Petrušev? Would love to see him among those names. Radanov, Ilić, Trifunović, Jaramaz are definitely in as younger prospects, probably Pecarski and Simanić too. Too early for Pokuševski and Nakić (if he decides to play for Serbia).

It will be interesting to see which group of those younger players will Kokoškov highlight as favorites to make the team in the next cycle. We will definitely need refreshments very soon, some players are not getting any younger (Teo, Bjelica in the first place). Finding replacement for Bjelica is going to be of huge importance. This is a good chance for Kokoškov to try out some of these young forwards (Ilić, Simanić) and especially get familiar with Smailagić/Petrušev and see if one of them could be used as a PF (I think Smailagić will have ability to play both PF/C).

Katastroika
06-10-2020, 05:32 AM
Smailagic is working out in Belgrade at the moment, if contract allows him to join (even I don't know why it shouldn't) he cuold show up.

I expect the list of participants at Sunday, as usually being communicated via KSS. The golden target of Serbia is surely Tristan Vukcevic but he is way too young to know if he can seriously participate in senior basketball as for all young players. I agree that PF is the most critical spots the upcoming years, all other positions are pretty stacked and and promising and Senior national team members in their best age.

Katastroika
06-21-2020, 02:35 PM
Miloš Teodosić (Virtus), Vasilije Micić (Efes), Stefan Jović (Himki), Nemanja Nedović (trenutno bez kluba), Nikola Kalinić (Fenerbahče), Miroslav Raduljica (Đijangsu), Branko Lazić, Dejan Davidovac, Ognjen DobrićOgnjen Kuzmić, Nikola Jovanović, Boriša Simanić (Crvena zvezda), Novica Veličković, Stefan Birčević, Rade Zagorac, Ognjen Jaramaz, Nikola Janković, Uroš Trifunović (Partizan), Nikola Rebić, Luka Ašćerić (Mega), Aleksa Avramović, Nemanja Dangubić (Estudijantes), Stefan Pot, Stefan Đorđević , Marko Pecarski, Aleksa Radanov (FMP), Dalibor Ilić (Igokea), Stefan Janković (Kepital siti Go-Go), Aleksej Pokuševski (Olimpijakos), Filip Petrušev (Gonzaga) i Luka Mitrović (Mursija).

Except Milutinov all non NBA, non Germans and non Spaniards are present for the training camp. Some very interesting young guns like Trifunovic, Pokusevski, Radanov, Ilic, Pecarski and Petrusev have been called up. Training will be led from assistants Deki Milojevic and Vlada Jovanovic.

Katastroika
06-22-2020, 09:33 PM
Training camp cancelled due to COVID-19 risk. Good decision after latest developments.

Katastroika
11-01-2020, 10:39 AM
Thought about both variations now:

Teodosic / Jovic / Micic
Nedovic / Jaramaz / Avramovic (Marinkovic)
Lucic / Kalinic
Jagodic-Kuridza / ?
Milutinov / Raduljica

vs

Teodosic / Jovic / Micic
Bogdanovic / Nedovic / Jaramaz (Marinkovic/Avramovic/Guduric)
Lucic/Kalinic
Bjelica/Smailagic
Jokic/Milutinov (Marjanovic/Radujlica)

I think we still could compete for a medal with NBAless rosters of all team but loss of equality is gigantic.
I think Italy will be hurt a lot with NBAless roster in Belgrade even they can put up a very interesting team. Spissu - Vitali - Datome - Gentile - Brooks.

Mindozas
02-26-2021, 04:22 PM
New Zeland withdraws and Philippines joins in. Not that I was very surprised by this NZ decision, lately they also decided to withdraw their football club from FIFA Club World Cup. Anyway, I'm happy for Philippines, bball crazy nation

Katastroika
02-26-2021, 06:08 PM
This comes very surprisingly.

madmax
02-26-2021, 06:34 PM
dayum, kiwis got some decent players nowadays, Steven Adams being the most notable one, and them conceding a chance to compete in Olympic games so nonchalantly really bugs my mind...is it because of Covic related issues?

mojo13
02-26-2021, 10:34 PM
dayum, kiwis got some decent players nowadays, Steven Adams being the most notable one, and them conceding a chance to compete in Olympic games so nonchalantly really bugs my mind...is it because of Covic related issues?

Covid and chronic underfunding of the federation. Someone on twitter mentioned they are pretty much out of money and couldn't afford to play.

Mindozas
02-27-2021, 09:40 AM
dayum, kiwis got some decent players nowadays, Steven Adams being the most notable one, and them conceding a chance to compete in Olympic games so nonchalantly really bugs my mind...is it because of Covic related issues?

Adams wouldn't play what so ever most likely. He was never committed due to those bitterness he had from his youth years and bad experiences with federation, blaming them not caring about youth game. The rest has not much chances, so probably another reason not risk and not to spend money they lack

ChuckDiesel2
04-17-2021, 05:36 PM
Adams has also openly talked about the New Zealand basketball system being unfair to Maori, Pacific Islander and other non white group, underprivileged demographics in the country.