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Levenspiel
12-18-2019, 08:58 AM
tournament will be held in Victoria between June 23-28, 2020.



Group
Team
Qualification
FIBA World Ranking


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg/23px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.png Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_men%27s_national_basketball_team)
21st at the 2019 WC
21st


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg/23px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.png Greece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece_national_basketball_team)
11th at the 2019 WC
7th


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg.png China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_national_basketball_team)
Wild Card
43rd








B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Flag_of_Turkey.svg/23px-Flag_of_Turkey.svg.png Turkey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_national_basketball_team)
20th at the 2019 WC
15th


B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg.png Czech Republi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic_national_basketball_team)c
6th at the 2019 WC
10th


B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Flag_of_Uruguay.svg/23px-Flag_of_Uruguay.svg.png Uruguay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay_national_basketball_team)
Wild Card
43rd



The first two teams of each group qualifies, and play each other to reach the final. The winner of the final goes to the Olympics.

mojo13
12-23-2019, 09:03 PM
Jamal Murray continues to say he will be playing.
https://www.fiba.basketball/oqt/canada/2020/news/murray-is-all-in-for-canada-going-to-the-olympics-would-be-a-dream-come-true

I really hope this holds true. SGA and Murray starting in the back court will cause fits for everyone we face.


Canadian media continuing to do a good job pressing on Canadians when they come to town to play the Raptors. Last night as the Mavs were in town Dwight Powell was asked and he responded that he "for sure" wanted to play.
See his response here:
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1208849940082036740?s=20


Chris Boucher had a great game last night and with Gasol out for a while he will get a chance to show his capabilities. Great to see some of the young guys continue to show that they can be very important pieces and that the depth for Canada will be a key advantage. Boucher could be a very important front court piece if TT and Olynyk do not play. Although rail thin and gets pushed around in the paint, he is extremely mobile, very energetic, a great rim protector and can hit an outside shot when needed. He was fantastic in Nurse's 2-2-1 full court press last night.

Will be interesting when the Grizzlies come to Toronto and the media gets a chance to pressure Brandon Clarke. They way he is playing he could already be a top 3 big for Canada.

mojo13
12-23-2019, 09:05 PM
If anyone wants advanced info on tickets you can sign up here to get on the email list.

Tix go on sale in January sometime.
http://basketball.ca/en/news-article/canada-in-group-a-for-fiba-olympic-qualifying-tournament-this-ju

madmax
12-24-2019, 10:01 PM
Jamal Murray continues to say he will be playing.
https://www.fiba.basketball/oqt/canada/2020/news/murray-is-all-in-for-canada-going-to-the-olympics-would-be-a-dream-come-true

I really hope this holds true. SGA and Murray starting in the back court will cause fits for everyone we face.


Canadian media continuing to do a good job pressing on Canadians when they come to town to play the Raptors. Last night as the Mavs were in town Dwight Powell was asked and he responded that he "for sure" wanted to play.
See his response here:
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1208849940082036740?s=20


Chris Boucher had a great game last night and with Gasol out for a while he will get a chance to show his capabilities. Great to see some of the young guys continue to show that they can be very important pieces and that the depth for Canada will be a key advantage. Boucher could be a very important front court piece if TT and Olynyk do not play. Although rail thin and gets pushed around in the paint, he is extremely mobile, very energetic, a great rim protector and can hit an outside shot when needed. He was fantastic in Nurse's 2-2-1 full court press last night.

Will be interesting when the Grizzlies come to Toronto and the media gets a chance to pressure Brandon Clarke. They way he is playing he could already be a top 3 big for Canada.

Brandon Clarke should already be in the starting 5 of Canada if he decides to participate - the kid is that good already. Very athletic , bouncy and unpretentious player with not an ounce of arrogance in him. You guys are blessed to have so many talented kids in all positions recently, the only issue is their commitment level and your overall basketball culture, which seems to be lacking compared to established european nations

Katastroika
12-25-2019, 10:40 AM
Maybe is someone willing to answer me if in Hockey in Canada absences are normal as this national team is the proud of Canadian sports. I don't know anything about hockey (rules, positions, players). Would be interesting to know.

usagre
12-25-2019, 02:00 PM
Maybe is someone willing to answer me if in Hockey in Canada absences are normal as this national team is the proud of Canadian sports. I don't know anything about hockey (rules, positions, players). Would be interesting to know.

Hockey in Canada is like football is in Brazil or basketball in Lithuania. And those comparisons actually might not even do it service. There’s just no comp. Kids learn to skate about the same time they learn to walk. Other than injury there are rarely if ever any major absences when it comes to representing team Canada. The Olympic teams comprised of professionals and the Canada cup tournaments teams of the past were always dream teams with the best of the best.

mojo13
12-25-2019, 10:13 PM
Brandon Clarke should already be in the starting 5 of Canada if he decides to participate - the kid is that good already. Very athletic , bouncy and unpretentious player with not an ounce of arrogance in him. You guys are blessed to have so many talented kids in all positions recently, the only issue is their commitment level and your overall basketball culture, which seems to be lacking compared to established european nations


What do you think about the fact that he probably has not played a minute of FIBA in his life?

Most of the Canadians played FIBA at some point growing up at the youth levels if they have not yet with the senior team. They even played fiba rules in high school in Canada as well - before they move off to the USA.

Clarke grew up in Phoenix and to my knowledge has zero FIBA experience.

He seems like a very smart player - but how much of an adjustment is that?

madmax
12-25-2019, 10:22 PM
What do you think about the fact that he probably has not played a minute of FIBA in his life?

Most of the Canadians played FIBA at some point growing up at the youth levels if they have not yet with the senior team. They even played fiba rules in high school in Canada as well - before they move off to the USA.

Clarke grew up in Phoenix and to my knowledge has zero FIBA experience.

He seems like a very smart player - but how much of an adjustment is that?

I'm pretty sure his unselfish play and efficient shooting will translate to any rule set, but I do get your concerns here. Most of your young most talented kids have little no none FIBA experience and that counts for a lot when real games against seasoned FIBA pros take place...the only way to fix it is start building the NT culture and maybe try to make these kids commit to the programme long-term if possible

mojo13
01-14-2020, 06:35 AM
Shai Gilgeous Alexander has been great this season and just put up a 20-10-10 triple double. One of only five players in history to do that with assists. At only 21, I’m ready to call him Canada’s best player. Publicly said his is playing in the Qualifier too.

mojo13
01-20-2020, 01:43 AM
Shai Gilgeous Alexander has been great this season and just put up a 20-10-10 triple double. One of only five players in history to do that with assists. At only 21, I’m ready to call him Canada’s best player. Publicly said his is playing in the Qualifier too.

Andrew Wiggins non committal to joining Team Canada.

No surprise here - but interesting to see some optimism. I agree with the conclusion that he is not needed for Canada but could certainly help.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/andrew-wiggins-can-canadas-difference-maker-decides-play/

mojo13
01-22-2020, 05:11 PM
Terrible news last night with Dwight Powell rupturing his Achilles. A real shame as he was having a good season as Luka's primary roll man. I was looking forward to see Dwight with SGA and Murray.


Getting a little thin up front for Canada. Thompson seems very unlikely as a UFA, Olynyk looks quite uncertain (player option but it seems many think he will opt out) and now Dwight Powell is out for sure.


Khem Birch seems committed along with Chris Boucher (who has turned into a solid rotation player in the NBA). Trey Lyles publicly claimed he wants to play. Brandon Clarke is an unknown, but travels to Toronto in March where the media will surely press him. It may be time to look closer at Mfiondu Kabengele (Clippers) who was G League player of the week last week while down on assignment - but he really has been unable to break into the Clipper rotation. And maybe even Kyle Alexander who received a two-way contract with he Heat a couple weeks back.

Still - Birch, Boucher and one of Lyles/Clarke/Kabengele would be adequate if we had SGA/Murray/Brooks/Joseph/Wiggins show up.

Andrew Wiggins came to town (Toronto) this week and seemed very non-committal when asked by the media. So he looks like a "maybe" at best. And I am still very uncertain with Dillon Brooks - who is a UFA but proclaimed he will play regardless.

soulis79
01-22-2020, 08:55 PM
Terrible news last night with Dwight Powell rupturing his Achilles. A real shame as he was having a good season as Luka's primary roll man. I was looking forward to see Dwight with SGA and Murray.


Getting a little thin up front for Canada. Thompson seems very unlikely as a UFA, Olynyk looks quite uncertain (player option but it seems many think he will opt out) and now Dwight Powell is out for sure.


Khem Birch seems committed along with Chris Boucher (who has turned into a solid rotation player in the NBA). Trey Lyles publicly claimed he wants to play. Brandon Clarke is an unknown, but travels to Toronto in March where the media will surely press him. It may be time to look closer at Mfiondu Kabengele (Clippers) who was G League player of the week last week while down on assignment - but he really has been unable to break into the Clipper rotation. And maybe even Kyle Alexander who received a two-way contract with he Heat a couple weeks back.

Still - Birch, Boucher and one of Lyles/Clarke/Kabengele would be adequate if we had SGA/Murray/Brooks/Joseph/Wiggins show up.

Andrew Wiggins came to town (Toronto) this week and seemed very non-committal when asked by the media. So he looks like a "maybe" at best. And I am still very uncertain with Dillon Brooks - who is a UFA but proclaimed he will play regardless.

It's a pity for the player. Let's hope that he will come back stronger. I think coach Nurse will count on Wiltjer's services much more than you expect. He needs a face-up big man. In Olynyk's absence this argue becomes even stronger. I also believe that he will count on three maybe four European Canadians. On the other hand a starting trio with Murray, Alexander and Wiggins looks good. Especially on offensive end. Until May there is plenty of time and some might change.

Katastroika
01-25-2020, 08:45 PM
Is Bramos still allegiable to play for Greece? He has a very good season.

mojo13
01-29-2020, 04:59 PM
Now we have Dillon Brooks quickly morphing into one of the best young Canadian players. Over the last 10 games:
21.0 PPG
3.9 RPG
2.1 APG
46.3 FG%
47.1 3P%

The Grizzlies are 16-1 when Dillon Brooks scores 20+ points. 7-23 when he doesn’t.

He has gone on record saying he is playing for Canada "no matter what". However I don't believe it as he is a RFA and in line for a huge payday. A few weeks ago people were talking $10-12MM per year but now he is looking more like a guy like Buddy Heild who got 4yrs/$90mm ( a clear overpay). Brooks might be the better player as he is actually a above average defender. It will be interesting is the Grizzlies extend him (can do it anytime up to June 30). Personally that the only way how I think he plays in Victoria.


Oh - and if anyone wants a ticket packed they go on sale Friday. Single game on sale at a unknonw later date.
http://vic2020.basketball.ca/

mojo13
02-06-2020, 05:07 PM
Now we have Dillon Brooks quickly morphing into one of the best young Canadian players. Over the last 10 games:
21.0 PPG
3.9 RPG
2.1 APG
46.3 FG%
47.1 3P%

The Grizzlies are 16-1 when Dillon Brooks scores 20+ points. 7-23 when he doesn’t.

He has gone on record saying he is playing for Canada "no matter what". However I don't believe it as he is a RFA and in line for a huge payday. A few weeks ago people were talking $10-12MM per year but now he is looking more like a guy like Buddy Heild who got 4yrs/$90mm ( a clear overpay). Brooks might be the better player as he is actually a above average defender. It will be interesting is the Grizzlies extend him (can do it anytime up to June 30). Personally that the only way how I think he plays in Victoria.


Oh - and if anyone wants a ticket packed they go on sale Friday. Single game on sale at a unknonw later date.
http://vic2020.basketball.ca/

So Dillon Brooks just got extended(3 yrs, 35MM) which is fantastic news for Team Canada as it removes the main hurdle for him playing this summer.

Now if only Tristan Thompson can get extended as well - I have less hope for that one, as rumor is his agent Rich Paul wants him out into free agency. We will see if anything happens today (trading deadline). Kelly Olynyk has a player option for 20/21 so he is an unknown as well.


And a question for the Turkish posters - how confident are you in Furkan Korkmaz playing? I noticed the other day that his contract is non-guaranteed for 20/21 and the deadline to guarantee is July 10th. Any concern that holds him out from playing?

His salary is pretty low considering his improvement this season, so $1.6MM seems a good price for the Sixers and I'd expect them to guarantee it at some point. Likely need to see the shake of todays trading deadline to see Korkmaz's new role. Especially with Burke and Robinson III being brought in.

It seems Ersan is in a similar position - non-guaranteed for 20/21 and the deadline is June 27. I suppose both could be at risk of not playing - maybe Ersan more so due to his age.

Toruko
02-06-2020, 05:20 PM
And a question for the Turkish posters - how confident are you in Furkan Korkmaz playing? I noticed the other day that his contract is non-guaranteed for 20/21 and the deadline to guarantee is July 10th. Any concern that holds him out from playing?

not even 0,00001% concern about Furk playing. Never saw him not playing for Turkey. Ersan might say "no" but according to the rumors he will be with the team with a smaller role as the big brother with experience.

TinaJks
02-07-2020, 09:05 AM
Turkey has good team. My vote is Turkey I hope to see them in Olympic

mojo13
02-07-2020, 05:03 PM
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1018779/ioannis-bourousis-retires-from-greek-national-team/

Ioannis Bourousis retires from the Greek NT. I know he is old and way past his prime but it is that type of beefy size I could see Canada struggling with.

Dtown
02-24-2020, 02:33 AM
I have Canada vs. Greece in the final, leaning Greece mostly because of history. I need to see Canada win one of these games before I believe.

mojo13
02-24-2020, 05:05 PM
A couple interesting things to note for Canada as of late.
Andrew Nicholson is playing with Canada's AmeriCup Qualifier team and looked great in his first game. Rumors is he had a fractured relationship with Canada Basketball after being left off a WC Qualifier team when the NBA players showed up in the summer of 2018. He could be an important piece for Canada in the Olympic Qualifiers considering we'll possibly be without Tristan Thompson, Dwight Powell and Kelly Olynyk. He's had a pretty good career in China since leaving the NBA (really improved his 3pt shooting), but word on him is he is a volume scorer who needs allot of reps to be effective, but is still a mediocre defender (at best) - that may not be what we need on this team. He also has a wedding planned in June anyways so that could make him unavailable.

Luguentz Dort is another wing to put into the mix. He is just playing fantastic, physical defense in a starting role in OKC. He's looking like a young Marcus Smart out there routinely holding some of the best guards in the NBA to very subpar games. He is doing all the little things to help his team win and even contributing decently on offence. He could be another intriguing piece to a deadly Canadian guard/wing rotation - might be more valuable than RJ Barrett depending on need. Definitely looks better than Nickeil Alexander Walker right now.

The crop of wings/guards that should be available (no known conflicts) for Canada AND said they want to play include - Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Jamal Murray, Cory Joseph, Dillon Brooks, Luguentz Dort, RJ Barrett and Nickeil Alexander Walker. We will see how many actually show up, but that is a nice versatile crop of players. And if we can get Andrew Wiggins out there it adds a whole other dimension.

mojo13
02-24-2020, 10:18 PM
not even 0,00001% concern about Furk playing. Never saw him not playing for Turkey. Ersan might say "no" but according to the rumors he will be with the team with a smaller role as the big brother with experience.

Yeah I get it....Arsen Ilyasov is getting up there in age nowadays. :)

Victorious
02-27-2020, 05:35 PM
Yeah I get it....Arsen Ilyasov is getting up there in age nowadays. :)

It is highly unlikely that Illyasova or Giannis will play in the qualifying tournament as the NBA finals will finish two days before the tournament starts. And the Bucks seem to be favorites to go all the way. So I think both Giannis and Thanassis are out for Greece. Also Bourousis is retired from the NT. It seems to me that Greece might be weaker than last year in OQT. Albeit they may be stronger if the qualify for the Olympics. Because I think that Pitino and Dorsey are just what this team needs.

Turkey without Illyasova. But Larkin is in. So I think Turkey will be stronger.

I don't know anything about Canada. It seems to me that they will be quite equipped playing at home. They will be the favorites.

Toruko
02-27-2020, 08:40 PM
The last game of the finals when it goes to last games ends one weak before the qualifying tournament starts. Ilyasova fell back in the rotation. I dont know what he is gonna say but he can participate. Its of course too early right now. Even if Bucks win the confence finals which is not clear. The west teams will be stronger from the playoffs.

mojo13
11-06-2020, 05:33 PM
With some clarity on the NBA schedule now set, here is a theoretically pool of Canadian NBA players most likely to miss the playoffs next season:

Very Likely:
RJ Barrett
Cory Joseph

Likely:
Trey Lyles
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
NAW

Maybe:
Khem Birch
SGA
LU Dort

??? FAs:
Tristan Thompson
Chris Boucher


Take 5 or 6 of this group and add in our best non-NBA players:
Kevin Pangos, Kyle Wiltjer, Tyler Ennis, Melvin Ejim, Andrew Nicholson, Dyshawn Pierre, Nik Stauskas and you have the potential for a very good team.

All hypothetical of course and some above will make the playoff - and some will get knocked out early and possibly become available. Point is, Canada should have access to some solid NBA players (if not our stars) and should be able to put together a decent team (on paper).

Toruko
11-06-2020, 06:50 PM
Didnt know that Lu Dort the offensive weapon was from Canada :D

Canada is of course the strongest team on the paper but Canada has also the biggest problems to motivate its players to participate. I also think the best solution would be a mix of European Canadians and some of the NBA. I just hope Murray wont come to play for the Qualifiers to have a small chance.

To evaluate our current situation. Our (probably) NBA guys Cedi Osman, Ersan Ilyasova and Omer Yurtseven should be able to participate. Ersan has a team option year but considering how few minutes he played I expect him to be traded to a weaker team. Its his last chance to enter a Olympic tournament so he will come like always. The only problem will be Furkan Korkmaz from the 76ers. (if he is not gonna be traded). Including Larkin who is the best player in Europe team Turkey would have a very strong offensive team.

PG: Larkin
SG: Dogus Ozemiroglu
SF: Cedi Osman
PF: Ersan Ilyasova
C: Omer Yurtseven

Bench:


PG: Dogus Balbay
SG: Furkan Korkmaz
SF: Birsen or Ulubay
PF: Berkan Durmaz
C: Alperen Sengün

Its the best team Turkey had in 10 years. Especially Sengün a 19 year old guy will pop up offensively. He has been playing in the Turkish fist league and has 20 points and 9 rebounds average being now 18 years old. This team has weaknesses but also very strong sides and can beat any team except Canada with NBA players in the Qualifiers

Katastroika
11-06-2020, 07:19 PM
With some clarity on the NBA schedule now set, here is a theoretically pool of Canadian NBA players most likely to miss the playoffs next season:

Very Likely:
RJ Barrett
Cory Joseph

Likely:
Trey Lyles
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
NAW

Maybe:
Khem Birch
SGA
LU Dort

??? FAs:
Tristan Thompson
Chris Boucher


Take 5 or 6 of this group and add in our best non-NBA players:
Kevin Pangos, Kyle Wiltjer, Tyler Ennis, Melvin Ejim, Andrew Nicholson, Dyshawn Pierre, Nik Stauskas and you have the potential for a very good team.

All hypothetical of course and some above will make the playoff - and some will get knocked out early and possibly become available. Point is, Canada should have access to some solid NBA players (if not our stars) and should be able to put together a decent team (on paper).

Would love to see Murray in Maple Leaf Jersey.

Victorious
11-07-2020, 12:56 PM
Well, if some countries can have their NBA players and some countries can't, then Greece will be the underdog in this tournament. On that note, Greece will be highly dependent on the progess of players like Mitoglou, Papagiannis this season. Especially the latter. But I would say that one season is not enough for them to develop sufficiently. Koufos needs to get back into the picture as well, but that possibility seems bleak. The only bright side I see for Greece by this whole scenario is that Greece will be the underdog instead of the favorite.

mojo13
11-20-2020, 04:53 PM
Turoko (or others) - what's your take on Coach Ufuk's abrupt termination?

This a problem or a good thing?

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1131289/turkish-nt-parts-ways-with-coach-ufuk-sarica/

Toruko
11-20-2020, 05:00 PM
Turoko (or others) - what's your take on Coach Ufuk's abrupt termination?

This a problem or a good thing?

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1131289/turkish-nt-parts-ways-with-coach-ufuk-sarica/

Coach Sarica did a terrible job so far so it might be difficult for the upcoming fiba window but it is great news for the Turkish BB on the long term since coach Ene who is supposed to be his successor is a great pick. Wasnt happy with some roster selections and roles of some players but well see how it is going to turn out.

R1ou
12-04-2020, 10:04 PM
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1018779/ioannis-bourousis-retires-from-greek-national-team/

Ioannis Bourousis retires from the Greek NT. I know he is old and way past his prime but it is that type of beefy size I could see Canada struggling with.

Basically he made up his mind and might join the team in the end.

R1ou
12-05-2020, 02:00 AM
I am not afraid of Greece at all. We are younger, faster longer and stronger than guys like Calathes or Sloukas. Just Giannis (if he comes) is a problem.

Was just reading some older posts and fell on this, simply couldn't resist myself from laughing :D

Very curious to know how it feels to be that optimistic when you are basically one defeat away to miss Eurobasket to Sweden and the Netherlands to call yourselves a better team than Greek NT lmao :D

mojo13
02-02-2021, 06:24 PM
Any relevant updates with Turkey and Greece?


As with Canada...you may be aware we were hit with a ~250K fine and docked points for skipping the AmeriCup Qualifier window in November. We can cut the fine in half and waive the point reduction by showing up to the bubble in Puerto Rico in this next window. But nothing out of Canada Basketball yet saying we are even doing that. Canada Basketball is not a wealthy organization and can't take fines like this.

Canada, in general, also continues to take Covid extremely seriously - much more so than most countries. This has me concerned we can even host the Victoria Qualifier. Or if we do, there will be no fans and Canada Basketball will take a tremendous financial hit. If Canada fails to host, there will be hell to pay with FIBA. Huge fines, suspension and FIBA anger for a long long time. It would be catastrophic.


Other than that nothing too new with the players. I'm watching the standings with a close eye, expecting those who miss the playoff to be the mostly likely to suit up for Canada.

Great to see Lu Dort, RJ Barrett and Chris Boucher among some of the most improved players in the NBA this season. Andrew Wiggins is having a very good season as well (he is suddenly efficient and an excellent defender). Any of the these could be very important players to Canada and possible starters in Victoria. Counter that with Dwight Powell, Cory Joseph, Dillon Brooks, Trey Lyles all seem to be struggling for different reasons.

If I had to rank the Canadian players, I think I'm something like this right now (this NBA focused - as I have different views with FIBA)

1. Jamal Murray
2. SGA
3. Andrew Wiggins
4. RJ Barrett
5. Luguentz Dort
6. Chris Boucher
7. Brandon Clarke
8. Kelly Olynyk
9. Khem Birch
10. Tristan Thompson


Some good developments outside the NBA as well. Kevin Pangos continues with a very good bounce back season with Zenit. Dyshawn Pierre is looking really good with Fener. Marial Shayok and Kyle Alexander have had good mid-season starts in Europe. Loads of other guys having excellent seasons as well. Kassius Robertson, Dylan Ennis, Kyle Wiltjer, Phil Scrubb.

No big injuries out there besides Tyler Ennis (Dwight Powell still not looking 100% yet either).

Toruko
02-02-2021, 06:35 PM
There are some positive developments in Turkey too. Cedi Osman (CAVS worked on his shot in the summer and he is far more confident shooting). Furkan Korkmaz (Sixers) also have a solid bench role in a very competitive team, looks more physical and ready. I hope that our veteran NBA guy Ersan Ilyasova wont find a playoff team which prevents him to play in the qualifiers.

I expect Ömer Faruk Yurtseven (G-League team of OKC) also be part of the team. He already said he would love participating. With our 18 year old rising star Alperen Sengun and with Sertac Sanli as third option (although I hate him) team Turkeys big and wing rotation is competitive.

About Greece there were news that guard legend Spanoulis and Ionnis Bouroussis are also ready to participate one last time but considering their age and performance idk if its a good idea.

mojo13
02-02-2021, 07:41 PM
There are some positive developments in Turkey too. Cedi Osman (CAVS worked on his shot in the summer and he is far more confident shooting). Furkan Korkmaz (Sixers) also have a solid bench role in a very competitive team, looks more physical and ready. I hope that our veteran NBA guy Ersan Ilyasova wont find a playoff team which prevents him to play in the qualifiers.

I expect Ömer Faruk Yurtseven (G-League team of OKC) also be part of the team. He already said he would love participating. With our 18 year old rising star Alperen Sengun and with Sertac Sanli as third option (although I hate him) team Turkeys big and wing rotation is competitive.

About Greece there were news that guard legend Spanoulis and Ionnis Bouroussis are also ready to participate one last time but considering their age and performance idk if its a good idea.


Those names still make me nervous, despite how over-the-hill they are. Heh...maybe the memories of an way past their prime Boris Diaw and Tony Parker picking apart Canada at the 2016 Manila Olympic Qualifier final are still too fresh in my mind.

Hepcat
02-14-2021, 05:14 PM
If I had to rank the Canadian players, I think I'm something like this right now (this NBA focused - as I have different views with FIBA)

1. Jamal Murray
2. SGA
3. Andrew Wiggins
4. RJ Barrett
5. Luguentz Dort
6. Chris Boucher
7. Brandon Clarke
8. Kelly Olynyk
9. Khem Birch
10. Tristan Thompson


Some good developments outside the NBA as well. Kevin Pangos continues with a very good bounce back season with Zenit. Dyshawn Pierre is looking really good with Fener. Marial Shayok and Kyle Alexander have had good mid-season starts in Europe. Loads of other guys having excellent seasons as well. Kassius Robertson, Dylan Ennis, Kyle Wiltjer, Phil Scrubb.

No big injuries out there besides Tyler Ennis (Dwight Powell still not looking 100% yet either).

Team Canada will absolutely, positively need at least a small core of players with solid FIBA credentials, e.g. Kevin Pangos and Phil Scrubb.

:)

JGX
02-15-2021, 02:12 AM
Sorry, wrong thread.

mojo13
02-15-2021, 08:43 PM
Team Canada will absolutely, positively need at least a small core of players with solid FIBA credentials, e.g. Kevin Pangos and Phil Scrubb.

:)


I agree whole heartedly. However I don't think the average Canadian basketball has any understanding of this. Most are certain our lowest level NBA players are 10x better than our best Euro based players.

I wouldn't mind seeing Kevin Pangos, Dyshawn Pierre and P. Scrubb and/or Kyle Wiltjer among 7-8 NBA players in Victoria. Each one could be a solid contributor in certain roles.

Shawshank
02-16-2021, 08:13 AM
If I had to rank the Canadian players, I think I'm something like this right now (this NBA focused - as I have different views with FIBA)

1. Jamal Murray
2. SGA
3. Andrew Wiggins
4. RJ Barrett
5. Luguentz Dort
6. Chris Boucher
7. Brandon Clarke
8. Kelly Olynyk
9. Khem Birch
10. Tristan Thompson




How manny from them have shown any signs interested in playing for team Canada for 2 tournaments in same summer with no rest after nba season ?


On possitive thing : only J.Murray and T.Thompson are in risk that their nba team can go deep in nba playoofs and wont be able to play in late June.

Katastroika
02-16-2021, 01:20 PM
Considering fact how Denver plays this year I cannot believe that they can beat LAC or LAL in 7 this time. Nothing is certain with them but generally I expect all available in their domestic teams.

mojo13
02-16-2021, 08:25 PM
How manny from them have shown any signs interested in playing for team Canada for 2 tournaments in same summer with no rest after nba season ?


On possitive thing : only J.Murray and T.Thompson are in risk that their nba team can go deep in nba playoofs and wont be able to play in late June.


I suppose the same question should be posed to Lithuania or any team in the Qualifiers.


But to attempt to answer your question - I'll start with this. No players has said they are NOT playing this summer. Many have said they are interested in playing (too many to track), many with qualifications (if I'm healthy etc.) and only a couple I know that have had said they are playing no matter what (e.g. Dillon Brooks). But these are all words and don't really matter too much. Actions are what we care about. Canada's strength is in the sheer number of high level talent in the NBA (and Europe) right now. We know all 20 NBA players will not show up (Free agents, injuries etc), we don't need them, we don't even need half. But we do need a few (4? 5? 6?) of the better players (NBA starters or high level role players) and we can have a pretty good team.

I have no illusions of grandeur - I'm under no belief we should be a favorite for an Olympic medal. I'm just hoping to Qualify and send a competent team to the Olympics that has some of our best players. And with allot of luck maybe even make the semi finals.

mojo13
02-16-2021, 08:30 PM
Considering fact how Denver plays this year I cannot believe that they can beat LAC or LAL in 7 this time. Nothing is certain with them but generally I expect all available in their domestic teams.

Jamal Murray always seems to have lingering health issues - it is just his nature. He is the one high level player that I have the least confidence in.
I'd be surprised if he played the Qualifier - but if we Qualify, I'd expect he joins and I'd welcome it.

Shawshank
02-17-2021, 06:10 AM
Jamal Murray always seems to have lingering health issues - it is just his nature. He is the one high level player that I have the least confidence in.
I'd be surprised if he played the Qualifier - but if we Qualify, I'd expect he joins and I'd welcome it.

My guess most of your top 10 will have same mindset.They are in too play in main Olympics in late July,but out from playing in late June with no rest from nba season.

Nba seasons should end in last week of May, first round will end in June when Nt will start their preparations.

Who looses in first round of nba playoofs can join NT camps,who looses in second round basically will have sit on airplane and go dirrectly from it to play qualification games (that not very realistic).

mojo13
02-17-2021, 04:47 PM
My guess most of your top 10 will have same mindset.They are in too play in main Olympics in late July,but out from playing in late June with no rest from nba season.

Nba seasons should end in last week of May, first round will end in June when Nt will start their preparations.

Who looses in first round of nba playoofs can join NT camps,who looses in second round basically will have sit on airplane and go dirrectly from it to play qualification games (that not very realistic).


Agreed... and why I am most interested in who is going to miss the playoffs this season. There are some good players in that group:

Probably miss the playoffs:
Khem Birch (FA)
Shai Gilgeous Alexander
Lu Dort
Cory Joseph
Nickeil Alexander Walker

Maybe miss miss playoffs or likely out by the end of the first round:
Dwight Powell
RJ Barrett
Kelly Olynyk (FA)
Chris Boucher
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
Andrew Wiggins
Mychal Mulder


That is allot to work with. If just half those guys play (along with our better Euro based players - Pangos, Pierre, Wiltjer etc.), it will be a very competitive Qualifier team. Perhaps favored?

Mindozas
02-17-2021, 05:11 PM
Agreed... and why I am most interested in who is going to miss the playoffs this season. There are some good players in that group:

Probably miss the playoffs:
Khem Birch (FA)
Shai Gilgeous Alexander
Lu Dort
Cory Joseph
Nickeil Alexander Walker

Maybe miss miss playoffs or likely out by the end of the first round:
Dwight Powell
RJ Barrett
Kelly Olynyk (FA)
Chris Boucher
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
Andrew Wiggins
Mychal Mulder


That is allot to work with. If just half those guys play (along with our better Euro based players - Pangos, Pierre, Wiltjer etc.), it will be a very competitive Qualifier team. Perhaps favored?

Depends when you will start preparations. I think that's very important to your quite newly build team. If you'll get those players early, late May/early June, then you can gel the group at least a bit - practices, few friendlies. If it will be some gathering right before the tournament, then it will be way more tougher, talent alone might not be enough to succeed. Let alone Greeks or Turkey, the same Czech Republic is very well gelled unit, their star Satoransky doesn't need lot of time to adjust to the system he knows perfectly

Hepcat
02-20-2021, 03:53 AM
Jamal Murray.... I'd be surprised if he played the Qualifier - but if we Qualify, I'd expect he joins and I'd welcome it.

What worries me is that I think most of the Canadian NBA players have that same attitude. Sure, they all want to play in the Olympics. But they don't want to engage in the heavy lifting needed to get there.

:(

Victorious
02-20-2021, 12:25 PM
Kosta Koufos is signing with Olympiacos. So since he is back in action it will be very interesting to see how his game will recover during the remainder of the season. He didn't have any playing time at CSKA. He will definitely have playing time for the reds. This means that, should he get back in shape, there is a probability he will be playing for the Greek NT this summer. So names like Bourousis, Koufos and Spanoulis are names which may all be on the table now for the OQT.

mojo13
03-12-2021, 10:15 PM
Nice to see Chris Boucher grow into a player that could be extremely important for Canada. Still an odd player at 6'10, 200 pounds, but has now become a fairly dynamic player. Elite shot blocker (rim and 3pt line) with a decent three point shot who can put points on the board very quickly.

I'm not quite sure yet where I rank him among Canada's bigs - but some argument can be made he is the best right now. He hasn't had too much exposure to the FIBA, but at least he plays under Coach Nurse. Tough to see him defending bigger European centers, but he could be a nice stretch 4.

YixingLao
03-17-2021, 07:17 AM
Based on the options, I am betting on Canada! Toronto Raptors all the way man! I also have to agree with mojo13. Andrew Nicholson and Luguentz Dort are just fantastic players! They really are great assets for their own teams. I would just have to add that my favourite (to which I think one of the few people that will bring canada to tokyo) is DeMar DeRozan. This guy is so humble that he doesn’t notice his potential. After all, he is the team’s all-time leading scorer. Thanks to his almost a decade of loyalty to the team, the country’s basketball culture also grew.

Toruko
04-13-2021, 04:02 PM
Jamal Murray has torn something in his leg and is definitely out for the Olympics. With that being said the best Canadian player is out. Wiggins and Shai Alexander are the next two guys whose influence could be decisive. Not that I wish them to get injured but I am not sure if they participate or not. Canada will be strong anyway but the question is are the Canadians gonna be beatable or not.

Straight forward
04-13-2021, 04:21 PM
Jamal Murray has torn something in his leg and is definitely out for the Olympics. With that being said the best Canadian player is out. Wiggins and Shai Alexander are the next two guys whose influence could be decisive. Not that I wish them to get injured but I am not sure if they participate or not. Canada will be strong anyway but the question is are the Canadians gonna be beatable or not.

Devastating loss to Canada.

mojo13
04-14-2021, 03:49 PM
Devastating loss to Canada.


That is a bad injury for Canada for any Olympic medal hopes. However, I didn't anticipate Murray playing in the Qualifier. If he was to join Team Canada it was likely going to be if Canada was fortunate enough to Qualify. I really hope he gets back to 100%, no matter the time line (9-12 months expected).

SGA with his plantar fasciitis is also a big concern - but it looks like OKC may be overly cautious here to help their tanking. I'm still 50/50 on whether he plays.


Still lots to be excited about. From Lu Dort dropping 42 points last night while being one of the best young defenders in the NBA. RJ Barrett's remarkable improvement over the last year into a truly efficient player. Chris Boucher also as a Most Improved Player candidate along with Barrett. Dillon Brooks getting much better with his efficiency. CoJo, Khem Birch and Olynyk were all traded and into better situations as per their chance to play in the Qualifier. They all have contract issues that I originally thought would keep them out, but I'm not so sure about that now for various reasons. I think we get one or two of those three for the Qualifier. Wiggins is still being elusive but him and Nurse are talking regularly.

Here is my current rundown of key players into Probable/Maybe/Unlikely with some color behind each.

Cory Joseph (Maybe): Captain Canada, perhaps the most capped NBA player of the last decade. DET has a team option for ~$12MM for 21/22 which seems an overpay (but he is playing really well for DET right now so who knows?). 6/30 deadline which essentially makes him a FA. But if anyone is going to play w/o a certain contract it'll be CoJo.

Shai Gilgeous Alexander (Maybe): OKC isn't making the playoffs so SGA should technically be available. However he is not far from a max deal, so expect that he'll be pressured heavily by his agent (and OKC) to not play. Critical player for Canada.

Kevin Pangos (Probable): Vet of the 2019 WC team, has had a fantastic bounce back season with Zenit in the EuroLeague. One of the top PGs in Europe this season. His FIBA experience would be extremely valuable to any rendition of Team Canada.

Luguentz Dort (Probable): Yet to play for the SMNT nor made public statements about playing, he's played for Canada at FIBA youth levels. Signed through 22/23 but will get some pressure not to play from agent/club (as most young players do) but not as much as SGA. Quickly becoming a really good two-way player.

RJ Barrett (Probable): Pops is the GM! Led U19 team to Gold! Knicks likely don't go far in the playoffs! On the record multiple times on his desire to play! Add it all up and I'd be very surprised if RJ isn't there. Could be the best player on the team if SGA doesn't show up.

Dillon Brooks (Probable): Secure contract, has stated multiple times he intends to play. Grizz will miss or won't go far in the playoffs. Showed up to the 2019 WC camp even though injured - Dillon wants to play.

Andrew Wiggins (Maybe): Long hiatus with Team Canada (2015) & hearing it from fans/media. Often asked and although elusive it seems he might be ready to once again suit up. GSW won't go far (or miss), contract is secure & even Nurse noted that they've been talking

Nickeil Alexander Walker (Likely): Pelicans won't make the playoffs. Regular member of Canada's FIBA youth teams (not yet the SMNT). Will still get the agent/club pressure not to play

Brandon Clarke (Maybe): Never played for Canada, never played a minute of FIBA, but we've seen him wearing Team Canada gear (probably forced on him by Dillon Brooks!). Grizz won't go far, but he's on his rookie deal and will get pressure

Chris Boucher (Likely): Pulled out last second from the WC team due to agent pressure, but now w/ a semi-secured contract. Non-guaranteed until after moratorium, but you'd think Toronto exercises and tells him their intent. You never know, so its still an issue

Kelly Olynyk (Maybe): HOU isn't making the playoffs, but KOs a UFA, which usually don't play. Seeing some nuggets that Kelly may play anyways. One of the most dedicated NBA vets & a team leader who will do his best to play. Feeling good about KO, but no sure thing

Khem Birch (Maybe): Almost a sure thing, but for his UFA status. He's said many times how much he loves repping Canada and playing for Nurse. Also indicated he will play regardless of contract status. Recent signing with Raps bodes well - perhaps they handshake

Trey Lyles (Unlikely) Regularly played FIBA for Canada in youth, but never at senior level. Not often vocal about a desire to play. Will be a UFA and I'd be surprised if he plays

Tristan Thompson (Maybe): One of the NBA vets who has repped Canada often (but not as much recently). Guaranteed contract for 21/22 but with an uncertain playoff run by Boston there still a solid chance TT plays.

Dwight Powell (Unlikely): Secure contract on a team that may not go far in the playoffs. Has often shown up for Canada in the past. But he's had a down year coming off a very difficult injury (Achilles). This may be a summer he takes off to focus on health

Many other excellent players to fill roles. Some Canada's top Euro players and SMNT vets like Dyshawn Pierre, Melvin Ejim, Phil & Thomas Scrubb, Kyle Wiltjer & Kassius Robertson could (should?) be there. Perhaps other NBA'rs like Oshae Brissett (Indiana) & Mychal Mulder (Golden State)

Tough to see any role for Nate Darling (Charlotte) or Karim Mane (Orlando). Perhaps Mfiondu Kabengele (Cleveland) if the bigs don't turn up. Other non-NBA NT newbies like Marial Shayok (BSL), Simi Shittu (G-League), Dylan Ennis (ACB/BCL) or Kyle Alexander (ACB) could find a place. Even Nik Stuaskas (G-League) is out there.


Still lots of "ifs" and "maybes" out there. Hopefully we start hearing more substantial news soon.

Hepcat
04-14-2021, 05:52 PM
Still lots of "ifs" and "maybes" out there. Hopefully we start hearing more substantial news soon.

That's always the troubling part when it comes to Team Canada.

:(

mojo13
04-15-2021, 03:48 PM
That's always the troubling part when it comes to Team Canada.

:(

Pretty much the same for every other country with NBA players right now.

Hepcat
04-16-2021, 04:17 PM
Based on the options, I am betting on Canada! Toronto Raptors all the way man! I also have to agree with mojo13. Andrew Nicholson and Luguentz Dort are just fantastic players! They really are great assets for their own teams. I would just have to add that my favourite (to which I think one of the few people that will bring canada to tokyo) is DeMar DeRozan. This guy is so humble that he doesn’t notice his potential. After all, he is the team’s all-time leading scorer. Thanks to his almost a decade of loyalty to the team, the country’s basketball culture also grew.

DeMar DeRozan isn't a Canadian though. The only Canadian on the Raptors team is Khem Birch. Like every other NBA team, the Raptors are just a bunch of (mostly American) hired mercenaries.

:(

ChuckDiesel2
04-17-2021, 05:31 PM
DeMar DeRozan isn't a Canadian though. The only Canadian on the Raptors team is Khem Birch. Like every other NBA team, the Raptors are just a bunch of (mostly American) hired mercenaries.

:(

Same can be said for most European teams too. :D

mojo13
04-17-2021, 08:34 PM
DeMar DeRozan isn't a Canadian though. The only Canadian on the Raptors team is Khem Birch. Like every other NBA team, the Raptors are just a bunch of (mostly American) hired mercenaries.

:(

Chris Boucher is Canadian as well. With Birch there now, it makes the Raptors with the most Canadians of any NBA club. Along with OKC, GSW and Memphis. All with two a piece.

mojo13
05-05-2021, 10:41 PM
Good update on the Victoria Olympic Qualifier here:
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1390032098749255683


I'm still not fully convinced it will take place in Victoria - but cases are finally going down (after a very significant outbreak).