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Levenspiel
12-18-2019, 08:58 AM
tournament will be held in Victoria between June 23-28, 2020.



Group
Team
Qualification
FIBA World Ranking


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg/23px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.png Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_men%27s_national_basketball_team)
21st at the 2019 WC
21st


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Greece.svg/23px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.png Greece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece_national_basketball_team)
11th at the 2019 WC
7th


A
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg.png China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_national_basketball_team)
Wild Card
43rd








B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Flag_of_Turkey.svg/23px-Flag_of_Turkey.svg.png Turkey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_national_basketball_team)
20th at the 2019 WC
15th


B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg.png Czech Republi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic_national_basketball_team)c
6th at the 2019 WC
10th


B
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Flag_of_Uruguay.svg/23px-Flag_of_Uruguay.svg.png Uruguay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay_national_basketball_team)
Wild Card
43rd



The first two teams of each group qualifies, and play each other to reach the final. The winner of the final goes to the Olympics.

mojo13
12-23-2019, 09:03 PM
Jamal Murray continues to say he will be playing.
https://www.fiba.basketball/oqt/canada/2020/news/murray-is-all-in-for-canada-going-to-the-olympics-would-be-a-dream-come-true

I really hope this holds true. SGA and Murray starting in the back court will cause fits for everyone we face.


Canadian media continuing to do a good job pressing on Canadians when they come to town to play the Raptors. Last night as the Mavs were in town Dwight Powell was asked and he responded that he "for sure" wanted to play.
See his response here:
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1208849940082036740?s=20


Chris Boucher had a great game last night and with Gasol out for a while he will get a chance to show his capabilities. Great to see some of the young guys continue to show that they can be very important pieces and that the depth for Canada will be a key advantage. Boucher could be a very important front court piece if TT and Olynyk do not play. Although rail thin and gets pushed around in the paint, he is extremely mobile, very energetic, a great rim protector and can hit an outside shot when needed. He was fantastic in Nurse's 2-2-1 full court press last night.

Will be interesting when the Grizzlies come to Toronto and the media gets a chance to pressure Brandon Clarke. They way he is playing he could already be a top 3 big for Canada.

mojo13
12-23-2019, 09:05 PM
If anyone wants advanced info on tickets you can sign up here to get on the email list.

Tix go on sale in January sometime.
http://basketball.ca/en/news-article/canada-in-group-a-for-fiba-olympic-qualifying-tournament-this-ju

madmax
12-24-2019, 10:01 PM
Jamal Murray continues to say he will be playing.
https://www.fiba.basketball/oqt/canada/2020/news/murray-is-all-in-for-canada-going-to-the-olympics-would-be-a-dream-come-true

I really hope this holds true. SGA and Murray starting in the back court will cause fits for everyone we face.


Canadian media continuing to do a good job pressing on Canadians when they come to town to play the Raptors. Last night as the Mavs were in town Dwight Powell was asked and he responded that he "for sure" wanted to play.
See his response here:
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1208849940082036740?s=20


Chris Boucher had a great game last night and with Gasol out for a while he will get a chance to show his capabilities. Great to see some of the young guys continue to show that they can be very important pieces and that the depth for Canada will be a key advantage. Boucher could be a very important front court piece if TT and Olynyk do not play. Although rail thin and gets pushed around in the paint, he is extremely mobile, very energetic, a great rim protector and can hit an outside shot when needed. He was fantastic in Nurse's 2-2-1 full court press last night.

Will be interesting when the Grizzlies come to Toronto and the media gets a chance to pressure Brandon Clarke. They way he is playing he could already be a top 3 big for Canada.

Brandon Clarke should already be in the starting 5 of Canada if he decides to participate - the kid is that good already. Very athletic , bouncy and unpretentious player with not an ounce of arrogance in him. You guys are blessed to have so many talented kids in all positions recently, the only issue is their commitment level and your overall basketball culture, which seems to be lacking compared to established european nations

Katastroika
12-25-2019, 10:40 AM
Maybe is someone willing to answer me if in Hockey in Canada absences are normal as this national team is the proud of Canadian sports. I don't know anything about hockey (rules, positions, players). Would be interesting to know.

usagre
12-25-2019, 02:00 PM
Maybe is someone willing to answer me if in Hockey in Canada absences are normal as this national team is the proud of Canadian sports. I don't know anything about hockey (rules, positions, players). Would be interesting to know.

Hockey in Canada is like football is in Brazil or basketball in Lithuania. And those comparisons actually might not even do it service. There’s just no comp. Kids learn to skate about the same time they learn to walk. Other than injury there are rarely if ever any major absences when it comes to representing team Canada. The Olympic teams comprised of professionals and the Canada cup tournaments teams of the past were always dream teams with the best of the best.

mojo13
12-25-2019, 10:13 PM
Brandon Clarke should already be in the starting 5 of Canada if he decides to participate - the kid is that good already. Very athletic , bouncy and unpretentious player with not an ounce of arrogance in him. You guys are blessed to have so many talented kids in all positions recently, the only issue is their commitment level and your overall basketball culture, which seems to be lacking compared to established european nations


What do you think about the fact that he probably has not played a minute of FIBA in his life?

Most of the Canadians played FIBA at some point growing up at the youth levels if they have not yet with the senior team. They even played fiba rules in high school in Canada as well - before they move off to the USA.

Clarke grew up in Phoenix and to my knowledge has zero FIBA experience.

He seems like a very smart player - but how much of an adjustment is that?

madmax
12-25-2019, 10:22 PM
What do you think about the fact that he probably has not played a minute of FIBA in his life?

Most of the Canadians played FIBA at some point growing up at the youth levels if they have not yet with the senior team. They even played fiba rules in high school in Canada as well - before they move off to the USA.

Clarke grew up in Phoenix and to my knowledge has zero FIBA experience.

He seems like a very smart player - but how much of an adjustment is that?

I'm pretty sure his unselfish play and efficient shooting will translate to any rule set, but I do get your concerns here. Most of your young most talented kids have little no none FIBA experience and that counts for a lot when real games against seasoned FIBA pros take place...the only way to fix it is start building the NT culture and maybe try to make these kids commit to the programme long-term if possible

mojo13
01-14-2020, 06:35 AM
Shai Gilgeous Alexander has been great this season and just put up a 20-10-10 triple double. One of only five players in history to do that with assists. At only 21, I’m ready to call him Canada’s best player. Publicly said his is playing in the Qualifier too.

mojo13
01-20-2020, 01:43 AM
Shai Gilgeous Alexander has been great this season and just put up a 20-10-10 triple double. One of only five players in history to do that with assists. At only 21, I’m ready to call him Canada’s best player. Publicly said his is playing in the Qualifier too.

Andrew Wiggins non committal to joining Team Canada.

No surprise here - but interesting to see some optimism. I agree with the conclusion that he is not needed for Canada but could certainly help.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/andrew-wiggins-can-canadas-difference-maker-decides-play/

mojo13
01-22-2020, 05:11 PM
Terrible news last night with Dwight Powell rupturing his Achilles. A real shame as he was having a good season as Luka's primary roll man. I was looking forward to see Dwight with SGA and Murray.


Getting a little thin up front for Canada. Thompson seems very unlikely as a UFA, Olynyk looks quite uncertain (player option but it seems many think he will opt out) and now Dwight Powell is out for sure.


Khem Birch seems committed along with Chris Boucher (who has turned into a solid rotation player in the NBA). Trey Lyles publicly claimed he wants to play. Brandon Clarke is an unknown, but travels to Toronto in March where the media will surely press him. It may be time to look closer at Mfiondu Kabengele (Clippers) who was G League player of the week last week while down on assignment - but he really has been unable to break into the Clipper rotation. And maybe even Kyle Alexander who received a two-way contract with he Heat a couple weeks back.

Still - Birch, Boucher and one of Lyles/Clarke/Kabengele would be adequate if we had SGA/Murray/Brooks/Joseph/Wiggins show up.

Andrew Wiggins came to town (Toronto) this week and seemed very non-committal when asked by the media. So he looks like a "maybe" at best. And I am still very uncertain with Dillon Brooks - who is a UFA but proclaimed he will play regardless.

soulis79
01-22-2020, 08:55 PM
Terrible news last night with Dwight Powell rupturing his Achilles. A real shame as he was having a good season as Luka's primary roll man. I was looking forward to see Dwight with SGA and Murray.


Getting a little thin up front for Canada. Thompson seems very unlikely as a UFA, Olynyk looks quite uncertain (player option but it seems many think he will opt out) and now Dwight Powell is out for sure.


Khem Birch seems committed along with Chris Boucher (who has turned into a solid rotation player in the NBA). Trey Lyles publicly claimed he wants to play. Brandon Clarke is an unknown, but travels to Toronto in March where the media will surely press him. It may be time to look closer at Mfiondu Kabengele (Clippers) who was G League player of the week last week while down on assignment - but he really has been unable to break into the Clipper rotation. And maybe even Kyle Alexander who received a two-way contract with he Heat a couple weeks back.

Still - Birch, Boucher and one of Lyles/Clarke/Kabengele would be adequate if we had SGA/Murray/Brooks/Joseph/Wiggins show up.

Andrew Wiggins came to town (Toronto) this week and seemed very non-committal when asked by the media. So he looks like a "maybe" at best. And I am still very uncertain with Dillon Brooks - who is a UFA but proclaimed he will play regardless.

It's a pity for the player. Let's hope that he will come back stronger. I think coach Nurse will count on Wiltjer's services much more than you expect. He needs a face-up big man. In Olynyk's absence this argue becomes even stronger. I also believe that he will count on three maybe four European Canadians. On the other hand a starting trio with Murray, Alexander and Wiggins looks good. Especially on offensive end. Until May there is plenty of time and some might change.

Katastroika
01-25-2020, 08:45 PM
Is Bramos still allegiable to play for Greece? He has a very good season.

mojo13
01-29-2020, 04:59 PM
Now we have Dillon Brooks quickly morphing into one of the best young Canadian players. Over the last 10 games:
21.0 PPG
3.9 RPG
2.1 APG
46.3 FG%
47.1 3P%

The Grizzlies are 16-1 when Dillon Brooks scores 20+ points. 7-23 when he doesn’t.

He has gone on record saying he is playing for Canada "no matter what". However I don't believe it as he is a RFA and in line for a huge payday. A few weeks ago people were talking $10-12MM per year but now he is looking more like a guy like Buddy Heild who got 4yrs/$90mm ( a clear overpay). Brooks might be the better player as he is actually a above average defender. It will be interesting is the Grizzlies extend him (can do it anytime up to June 30). Personally that the only way how I think he plays in Victoria.


Oh - and if anyone wants a ticket packed they go on sale Friday. Single game on sale at a unknonw later date.
http://vic2020.basketball.ca/

mojo13
02-06-2020, 05:07 PM
Now we have Dillon Brooks quickly morphing into one of the best young Canadian players. Over the last 10 games:
21.0 PPG
3.9 RPG
2.1 APG
46.3 FG%
47.1 3P%

The Grizzlies are 16-1 when Dillon Brooks scores 20+ points. 7-23 when he doesn’t.

He has gone on record saying he is playing for Canada "no matter what". However I don't believe it as he is a RFA and in line for a huge payday. A few weeks ago people were talking $10-12MM per year but now he is looking more like a guy like Buddy Heild who got 4yrs/$90mm ( a clear overpay). Brooks might be the better player as he is actually a above average defender. It will be interesting is the Grizzlies extend him (can do it anytime up to June 30). Personally that the only way how I think he plays in Victoria.


Oh - and if anyone wants a ticket packed they go on sale Friday. Single game on sale at a unknonw later date.
http://vic2020.basketball.ca/

So Dillon Brooks just got extended(3 yrs, 35MM) which is fantastic news for Team Canada as it removes the main hurdle for him playing this summer.

Now if only Tristan Thompson can get extended as well - I have less hope for that one, as rumor is his agent Rich Paul wants him out into free agency. We will see if anything happens today (trading deadline). Kelly Olynyk has a player option for 20/21 so he is an unknown as well.


And a question for the Turkish posters - how confident are you in Furkan Korkmaz playing? I noticed the other day that his contract is non-guaranteed for 20/21 and the deadline to guarantee is July 10th. Any concern that holds him out from playing?

His salary is pretty low considering his improvement this season, so $1.6MM seems a good price for the Sixers and I'd expect them to guarantee it at some point. Likely need to see the shake of todays trading deadline to see Korkmaz's new role. Especially with Burke and Robinson III being brought in.

It seems Ersan is in a similar position - non-guaranteed for 20/21 and the deadline is June 27. I suppose both could be at risk of not playing - maybe Ersan more so due to his age.

Toruko
02-06-2020, 05:20 PM
And a question for the Turkish posters - how confident are you in Furkan Korkmaz playing? I noticed the other day that his contract is non-guaranteed for 20/21 and the deadline to guarantee is July 10th. Any concern that holds him out from playing?

not even 0,00001% concern about Furk playing. Never saw him not playing for Turkey. Ersan might say "no" but according to the rumors he will be with the team with a smaller role as the big brother with experience.

TinaJks
02-07-2020, 09:05 AM
Turkey has good team. My vote is Turkey I hope to see them in Olympic

mojo13
02-07-2020, 05:03 PM
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1018779/ioannis-bourousis-retires-from-greek-national-team/

Ioannis Bourousis retires from the Greek NT. I know he is old and way past his prime but it is that type of beefy size I could see Canada struggling with.

Dtown
02-24-2020, 02:33 AM
I have Canada vs. Greece in the final, leaning Greece mostly because of history. I need to see Canada win one of these games before I believe.

mojo13
02-24-2020, 05:05 PM
A couple interesting things to note for Canada as of late.
Andrew Nicholson is playing with Canada's AmeriCup Qualifier team and looked great in his first game. Rumors is he had a fractured relationship with Canada Basketball after being left off a WC Qualifier team when the NBA players showed up in the summer of 2018. He could be an important piece for Canada in the Olympic Qualifiers considering we'll possibly be without Tristan Thompson, Dwight Powell and Kelly Olynyk. He's had a pretty good career in China since leaving the NBA (really improved his 3pt shooting), but word on him is he is a volume scorer who needs allot of reps to be effective, but is still a mediocre defender (at best) - that may not be what we need on this team. He also has a wedding planned in June anyways so that could make him unavailable.

Luguentz Dort is another wing to put into the mix. He is just playing fantastic, physical defense in a starting role in OKC. He's looking like a young Marcus Smart out there routinely holding some of the best guards in the NBA to very subpar games. He is doing all the little things to help his team win and even contributing decently on offence. He could be another intriguing piece to a deadly Canadian guard/wing rotation - might be more valuable than RJ Barrett depending on need. Definitely looks better than Nickeil Alexander Walker right now.

The crop of wings/guards that should be available (no known conflicts) for Canada AND said they want to play include - Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Jamal Murray, Cory Joseph, Dillon Brooks, Luguentz Dort, RJ Barrett and Nickeil Alexander Walker. We will see how many actually show up, but that is a nice versatile crop of players. And if we can get Andrew Wiggins out there it adds a whole other dimension.

mojo13
02-24-2020, 10:18 PM
not even 0,00001% concern about Furk playing. Never saw him not playing for Turkey. Ersan might say "no" but according to the rumors he will be with the team with a smaller role as the big brother with experience.

Yeah I get it....Arsen Ilyasov is getting up there in age nowadays. :)

Victorious
02-27-2020, 05:35 PM
Yeah I get it....Arsen Ilyasov is getting up there in age nowadays. :)

It is highly unlikely that Illyasova or Giannis will play in the qualifying tournament as the NBA finals will finish two days before the tournament starts. And the Bucks seem to be favorites to go all the way. So I think both Giannis and Thanassis are out for Greece. Also Bourousis is retired from the NT. It seems to me that Greece might be weaker than last year in OQT. Albeit they may be stronger if the qualify for the Olympics. Because I think that Pitino and Dorsey are just what this team needs.

Turkey without Illyasova. But Larkin is in. So I think Turkey will be stronger.

I don't know anything about Canada. It seems to me that they will be quite equipped playing at home. They will be the favorites.

Toruko
02-27-2020, 08:40 PM
The last game of the finals when it goes to last games ends one weak before the qualifying tournament starts. Ilyasova fell back in the rotation. I dont know what he is gonna say but he can participate. Its of course too early right now. Even if Bucks win the confence finals which is not clear. The west teams will be stronger from the playoffs.

mojo13
11-06-2020, 05:33 PM
With some clarity on the NBA schedule now set, here is a theoretically pool of Canadian NBA players most likely to miss the playoffs next season:

Very Likely:
RJ Barrett
Cory Joseph

Likely:
Trey Lyles
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
NAW

Maybe:
Khem Birch
SGA
LU Dort

??? FAs:
Tristan Thompson
Chris Boucher


Take 5 or 6 of this group and add in our best non-NBA players:
Kevin Pangos, Kyle Wiltjer, Tyler Ennis, Melvin Ejim, Andrew Nicholson, Dyshawn Pierre, Nik Stauskas and you have the potential for a very good team.

All hypothetical of course and some above will make the playoff - and some will get knocked out early and possibly become available. Point is, Canada should have access to some solid NBA players (if not our stars) and should be able to put together a decent team (on paper).

Toruko
11-06-2020, 06:50 PM
Didnt know that Lu Dort the offensive weapon was from Canada :D

Canada is of course the strongest team on the paper but Canada has also the biggest problems to motivate its players to participate. I also think the best solution would be a mix of European Canadians and some of the NBA. I just hope Murray wont come to play for the Qualifiers to have a small chance.

To evaluate our current situation. Our (probably) NBA guys Cedi Osman, Ersan Ilyasova and Omer Yurtseven should be able to participate. Ersan has a team option year but considering how few minutes he played I expect him to be traded to a weaker team. Its his last chance to enter a Olympic tournament so he will come like always. The only problem will be Furkan Korkmaz from the 76ers. (if he is not gonna be traded). Including Larkin who is the best player in Europe team Turkey would have a very strong offensive team.

PG: Larkin
SG: Dogus Ozemiroglu
SF: Cedi Osman
PF: Ersan Ilyasova
C: Omer Yurtseven

Bench:


PG: Dogus Balbay
SG: Furkan Korkmaz
SF: Birsen or Ulubay
PF: Berkan Durmaz
C: Alperen Sengün

Its the best team Turkey had in 10 years. Especially Sengün a 19 year old guy will pop up offensively. He has been playing in the Turkish fist league and has 20 points and 9 rebounds average being now 18 years old. This team has weaknesses but also very strong sides and can beat any team except Canada with NBA players in the Qualifiers

Katastroika
11-06-2020, 07:19 PM
With some clarity on the NBA schedule now set, here is a theoretically pool of Canadian NBA players most likely to miss the playoffs next season:

Very Likely:
RJ Barrett
Cory Joseph

Likely:
Trey Lyles
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
NAW

Maybe:
Khem Birch
SGA
LU Dort

??? FAs:
Tristan Thompson
Chris Boucher


Take 5 or 6 of this group and add in our best non-NBA players:
Kevin Pangos, Kyle Wiltjer, Tyler Ennis, Melvin Ejim, Andrew Nicholson, Dyshawn Pierre, Nik Stauskas and you have the potential for a very good team.

All hypothetical of course and some above will make the playoff - and some will get knocked out early and possibly become available. Point is, Canada should have access to some solid NBA players (if not our stars) and should be able to put together a decent team (on paper).

Would love to see Murray in Maple Leaf Jersey.

Victorious
11-07-2020, 12:56 PM
Well, if some countries can have their NBA players and some countries can't, then Greece will be the underdog in this tournament. On that note, Greece will be highly dependent on the progess of players like Mitoglou, Papagiannis this season. Especially the latter. But I would say that one season is not enough for them to develop sufficiently. Koufos needs to get back into the picture as well, but that possibility seems bleak. The only bright side I see for Greece by this whole scenario is that Greece will be the underdog instead of the favorite.

mojo13
11-20-2020, 04:53 PM
Turoko (or others) - what's your take on Coach Ufuk's abrupt termination?

This a problem or a good thing?

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1131289/turkish-nt-parts-ways-with-coach-ufuk-sarica/

Toruko
11-20-2020, 05:00 PM
Turoko (or others) - what's your take on Coach Ufuk's abrupt termination?

This a problem or a good thing?

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1131289/turkish-nt-parts-ways-with-coach-ufuk-sarica/

Coach Sarica did a terrible job so far so it might be difficult for the upcoming fiba window but it is great news for the Turkish BB on the long term since coach Ene who is supposed to be his successor is a great pick. Wasnt happy with some roster selections and roles of some players but well see how it is going to turn out.

R1ou
12-04-2020, 10:04 PM
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1018779/ioannis-bourousis-retires-from-greek-national-team/

Ioannis Bourousis retires from the Greek NT. I know he is old and way past his prime but it is that type of beefy size I could see Canada struggling with.

Basically he made up his mind and might join the team in the end.

R1ou
12-05-2020, 02:00 AM
I am not afraid of Greece at all. We are younger, faster longer and stronger than guys like Calathes or Sloukas. Just Giannis (if he comes) is a problem.

Was just reading some older posts and fell on this, simply couldn't resist myself from laughing :D

Very curious to know how it feels to be that optimistic when you are basically one defeat away to miss Eurobasket to Sweden and the Netherlands to call yourselves a better team than Greek NT lmao :D

mojo13
02-02-2021, 06:24 PM
Any relevant updates with Turkey and Greece?


As with Canada...you may be aware we were hit with a ~250K fine and docked points for skipping the AmeriCup Qualifier window in November. We can cut the fine in half and waive the point reduction by showing up to the bubble in Puerto Rico in this next window. But nothing out of Canada Basketball yet saying we are even doing that. Canada Basketball is not a wealthy organization and can't take fines like this.

Canada, in general, also continues to take Covid extremely seriously - much more so than most countries. This has me concerned we can even host the Victoria Qualifier. Or if we do, there will be no fans and Canada Basketball will take a tremendous financial hit. If Canada fails to host, there will be hell to pay with FIBA. Huge fines, suspension and FIBA anger for a long long time. It would be catastrophic.


Other than that nothing too new with the players. I'm watching the standings with a close eye, expecting those who miss the playoff to be the mostly likely to suit up for Canada.

Great to see Lu Dort, RJ Barrett and Chris Boucher among some of the most improved players in the NBA this season. Andrew Wiggins is having a very good season as well (he is suddenly efficient and an excellent defender). Any of the these could be very important players to Canada and possible starters in Victoria. Counter that with Dwight Powell, Cory Joseph, Dillon Brooks, Trey Lyles all seem to be struggling for different reasons.

If I had to rank the Canadian players, I think I'm something like this right now (this NBA focused - as I have different views with FIBA)

1. Jamal Murray
2. SGA
3. Andrew Wiggins
4. RJ Barrett
5. Luguentz Dort
6. Chris Boucher
7. Brandon Clarke
8. Kelly Olynyk
9. Khem Birch
10. Tristan Thompson


Some good developments outside the NBA as well. Kevin Pangos continues with a very good bounce back season with Zenit. Dyshawn Pierre is looking really good with Fener. Marial Shayok and Kyle Alexander have had good mid-season starts in Europe. Loads of other guys having excellent seasons as well. Kassius Robertson, Dylan Ennis, Kyle Wiltjer, Phil Scrubb.

No big injuries out there besides Tyler Ennis (Dwight Powell still not looking 100% yet either).

Toruko
02-02-2021, 06:35 PM
There are some positive developments in Turkey too. Cedi Osman (CAVS worked on his shot in the summer and he is far more confident shooting). Furkan Korkmaz (Sixers) also have a solid bench role in a very competitive team, looks more physical and ready. I hope that our veteran NBA guy Ersan Ilyasova wont find a playoff team which prevents him to play in the qualifiers.

I expect Ömer Faruk Yurtseven (G-League team of OKC) also be part of the team. He already said he would love participating. With our 18 year old rising star Alperen Sengun and with Sertac Sanli as third option (although I hate him) team Turkeys big and wing rotation is competitive.

About Greece there were news that guard legend Spanoulis and Ionnis Bouroussis are also ready to participate one last time but considering their age and performance idk if its a good idea.

mojo13
02-02-2021, 07:41 PM
There are some positive developments in Turkey too. Cedi Osman (CAVS worked on his shot in the summer and he is far more confident shooting). Furkan Korkmaz (Sixers) also have a solid bench role in a very competitive team, looks more physical and ready. I hope that our veteran NBA guy Ersan Ilyasova wont find a playoff team which prevents him to play in the qualifiers.

I expect Ömer Faruk Yurtseven (G-League team of OKC) also be part of the team. He already said he would love participating. With our 18 year old rising star Alperen Sengun and with Sertac Sanli as third option (although I hate him) team Turkeys big and wing rotation is competitive.

About Greece there were news that guard legend Spanoulis and Ionnis Bouroussis are also ready to participate one last time but considering their age and performance idk if its a good idea.


Those names still make me nervous, despite how over-the-hill they are. Heh...maybe the memories of an way past their prime Boris Diaw and Tony Parker picking apart Canada at the 2016 Manila Olympic Qualifier final are still too fresh in my mind.

Hepcat
02-14-2021, 05:14 PM
If I had to rank the Canadian players, I think I'm something like this right now (this NBA focused - as I have different views with FIBA)

1. Jamal Murray
2. SGA
3. Andrew Wiggins
4. RJ Barrett
5. Luguentz Dort
6. Chris Boucher
7. Brandon Clarke
8. Kelly Olynyk
9. Khem Birch
10. Tristan Thompson


Some good developments outside the NBA as well. Kevin Pangos continues with a very good bounce back season with Zenit. Dyshawn Pierre is looking really good with Fener. Marial Shayok and Kyle Alexander have had good mid-season starts in Europe. Loads of other guys having excellent seasons as well. Kassius Robertson, Dylan Ennis, Kyle Wiltjer, Phil Scrubb.

No big injuries out there besides Tyler Ennis (Dwight Powell still not looking 100% yet either).

Team Canada will absolutely, positively need at least a small core of players with solid FIBA credentials, e.g. Kevin Pangos and Phil Scrubb.

:)

JGX
02-15-2021, 02:12 AM
Sorry, wrong thread.

mojo13
02-15-2021, 08:43 PM
Team Canada will absolutely, positively need at least a small core of players with solid FIBA credentials, e.g. Kevin Pangos and Phil Scrubb.

:)


I agree whole heartedly. However I don't think the average Canadian basketball has any understanding of this. Most are certain our lowest level NBA players are 10x better than our best Euro based players.

I wouldn't mind seeing Kevin Pangos, Dyshawn Pierre and P. Scrubb and/or Kyle Wiltjer among 7-8 NBA players in Victoria. Each one could be a solid contributor in certain roles.

Shawshank
02-16-2021, 08:13 AM
If I had to rank the Canadian players, I think I'm something like this right now (this NBA focused - as I have different views with FIBA)

1. Jamal Murray
2. SGA
3. Andrew Wiggins
4. RJ Barrett
5. Luguentz Dort
6. Chris Boucher
7. Brandon Clarke
8. Kelly Olynyk
9. Khem Birch
10. Tristan Thompson




How manny from them have shown any signs interested in playing for team Canada for 2 tournaments in same summer with no rest after nba season ?


On possitive thing : only J.Murray and T.Thompson are in risk that their nba team can go deep in nba playoofs and wont be able to play in late June.

Katastroika
02-16-2021, 01:20 PM
Considering fact how Denver plays this year I cannot believe that they can beat LAC or LAL in 7 this time. Nothing is certain with them but generally I expect all available in their domestic teams.

mojo13
02-16-2021, 08:25 PM
How manny from them have shown any signs interested in playing for team Canada for 2 tournaments in same summer with no rest after nba season ?


On possitive thing : only J.Murray and T.Thompson are in risk that their nba team can go deep in nba playoofs and wont be able to play in late June.


I suppose the same question should be posed to Lithuania or any team in the Qualifiers.


But to attempt to answer your question - I'll start with this. No players has said they are NOT playing this summer. Many have said they are interested in playing (too many to track), many with qualifications (if I'm healthy etc.) and only a couple I know that have had said they are playing no matter what (e.g. Dillon Brooks). But these are all words and don't really matter too much. Actions are what we care about. Canada's strength is in the sheer number of high level talent in the NBA (and Europe) right now. We know all 20 NBA players will not show up (Free agents, injuries etc), we don't need them, we don't even need half. But we do need a few (4? 5? 6?) of the better players (NBA starters or high level role players) and we can have a pretty good team.

I have no illusions of grandeur - I'm under no belief we should be a favorite for an Olympic medal. I'm just hoping to Qualify and send a competent team to the Olympics that has some of our best players. And with allot of luck maybe even make the semi finals.

mojo13
02-16-2021, 08:30 PM
Considering fact how Denver plays this year I cannot believe that they can beat LAC or LAL in 7 this time. Nothing is certain with them but generally I expect all available in their domestic teams.

Jamal Murray always seems to have lingering health issues - it is just his nature. He is the one high level player that I have the least confidence in.
I'd be surprised if he played the Qualifier - but if we Qualify, I'd expect he joins and I'd welcome it.

Shawshank
02-17-2021, 06:10 AM
Jamal Murray always seems to have lingering health issues - it is just his nature. He is the one high level player that I have the least confidence in.
I'd be surprised if he played the Qualifier - but if we Qualify, I'd expect he joins and I'd welcome it.

My guess most of your top 10 will have same mindset.They are in too play in main Olympics in late July,but out from playing in late June with no rest from nba season.

Nba seasons should end in last week of May, first round will end in June when Nt will start their preparations.

Who looses in first round of nba playoofs can join NT camps,who looses in second round basically will have sit on airplane and go dirrectly from it to play qualification games (that not very realistic).

mojo13
02-17-2021, 04:47 PM
My guess most of your top 10 will have same mindset.They are in too play in main Olympics in late July,but out from playing in late June with no rest from nba season.

Nba seasons should end in last week of May, first round will end in June when Nt will start their preparations.

Who looses in first round of nba playoofs can join NT camps,who looses in second round basically will have sit on airplane and go dirrectly from it to play qualification games (that not very realistic).


Agreed... and why I am most interested in who is going to miss the playoffs this season. There are some good players in that group:

Probably miss the playoffs:
Khem Birch (FA)
Shai Gilgeous Alexander
Lu Dort
Cory Joseph
Nickeil Alexander Walker

Maybe miss miss playoffs or likely out by the end of the first round:
Dwight Powell
RJ Barrett
Kelly Olynyk (FA)
Chris Boucher
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
Andrew Wiggins
Mychal Mulder


That is allot to work with. If just half those guys play (along with our better Euro based players - Pangos, Pierre, Wiltjer etc.), it will be a very competitive Qualifier team. Perhaps favored?

Mindozas
02-17-2021, 05:11 PM
Agreed... and why I am most interested in who is going to miss the playoffs this season. There are some good players in that group:

Probably miss the playoffs:
Khem Birch (FA)
Shai Gilgeous Alexander
Lu Dort
Cory Joseph
Nickeil Alexander Walker

Maybe miss miss playoffs or likely out by the end of the first round:
Dwight Powell
RJ Barrett
Kelly Olynyk (FA)
Chris Boucher
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
Andrew Wiggins
Mychal Mulder


That is allot to work with. If just half those guys play (along with our better Euro based players - Pangos, Pierre, Wiltjer etc.), it will be a very competitive Qualifier team. Perhaps favored?

Depends when you will start preparations. I think that's very important to your quite newly build team. If you'll get those players early, late May/early June, then you can gel the group at least a bit - practices, few friendlies. If it will be some gathering right before the tournament, then it will be way more tougher, talent alone might not be enough to succeed. Let alone Greeks or Turkey, the same Czech Republic is very well gelled unit, their star Satoransky doesn't need lot of time to adjust to the system he knows perfectly

Hepcat
02-20-2021, 03:53 AM
Jamal Murray.... I'd be surprised if he played the Qualifier - but if we Qualify, I'd expect he joins and I'd welcome it.

What worries me is that I think most of the Canadian NBA players have that same attitude. Sure, they all want to play in the Olympics. But they don't want to engage in the heavy lifting needed to get there.

:(

Victorious
02-20-2021, 12:25 PM
Kosta Koufos is signing with Olympiacos. So since he is back in action it will be very interesting to see how his game will recover during the remainder of the season. He didn't have any playing time at CSKA. He will definitely have playing time for the reds. This means that, should he get back in shape, there is a probability he will be playing for the Greek NT this summer. So names like Bourousis, Koufos and Spanoulis are names which may all be on the table now for the OQT.

mojo13
03-12-2021, 10:15 PM
Nice to see Chris Boucher grow into a player that could be extremely important for Canada. Still an odd player at 6'10, 200 pounds, but has now become a fairly dynamic player. Elite shot blocker (rim and 3pt line) with a decent three point shot who can put points on the board very quickly.

I'm not quite sure yet where I rank him among Canada's bigs - but some argument can be made he is the best right now. He hasn't had too much exposure to the FIBA, but at least he plays under Coach Nurse. Tough to see him defending bigger European centers, but he could be a nice stretch 4.

YixingLao
03-17-2021, 07:17 AM
Based on the options, I am betting on Canada! Toronto Raptors all the way man! I also have to agree with mojo13. Andrew Nicholson and Luguentz Dort are just fantastic players! They really are great assets for their own teams. I would just have to add that my favourite (to which I think one of the few people that will bring canada to tokyo) is DeMar DeRozan. This guy is so humble that he doesn’t notice his potential. After all, he is the team’s all-time leading scorer. Thanks to his almost a decade of loyalty to the team, the country’s basketball culture also grew.

Toruko
04-13-2021, 04:02 PM
Jamal Murray has torn something in his leg and is definitely out for the Olympics. With that being said the best Canadian player is out. Wiggins and Shai Alexander are the next two guys whose influence could be decisive. Not that I wish them to get injured but I am not sure if they participate or not. Canada will be strong anyway but the question is are the Canadians gonna be beatable or not.

Straight forward
04-13-2021, 04:21 PM
Jamal Murray has torn something in his leg and is definitely out for the Olympics. With that being said the best Canadian player is out. Wiggins and Shai Alexander are the next two guys whose influence could be decisive. Not that I wish them to get injured but I am not sure if they participate or not. Canada will be strong anyway but the question is are the Canadians gonna be beatable or not.

Devastating loss to Canada.

mojo13
04-14-2021, 03:49 PM
Devastating loss to Canada.


That is a bad injury for Canada for any Olympic medal hopes. However, I didn't anticipate Murray playing in the Qualifier. If he was to join Team Canada it was likely going to be if Canada was fortunate enough to Qualify. I really hope he gets back to 100%, no matter the time line (9-12 months expected).

SGA with his plantar fasciitis is also a big concern - but it looks like OKC may be overly cautious here to help their tanking. I'm still 50/50 on whether he plays.


Still lots to be excited about. From Lu Dort dropping 42 points last night while being one of the best young defenders in the NBA. RJ Barrett's remarkable improvement over the last year into a truly efficient player. Chris Boucher also as a Most Improved Player candidate along with Barrett. Dillon Brooks getting much better with his efficiency. CoJo, Khem Birch and Olynyk were all traded and into better situations as per their chance to play in the Qualifier. They all have contract issues that I originally thought would keep them out, but I'm not so sure about that now for various reasons. I think we get one or two of those three for the Qualifier. Wiggins is still being elusive but him and Nurse are talking regularly.

Here is my current rundown of key players into Probable/Maybe/Unlikely with some color behind each.

Cory Joseph (Maybe): Captain Canada, perhaps the most capped NBA player of the last decade. DET has a team option for ~$12MM for 21/22 which seems an overpay (but he is playing really well for DET right now so who knows?). 6/30 deadline which essentially makes him a FA. But if anyone is going to play w/o a certain contract it'll be CoJo.

Shai Gilgeous Alexander (Maybe): OKC isn't making the playoffs so SGA should technically be available. However he is not far from a max deal, so expect that he'll be pressured heavily by his agent (and OKC) to not play. Critical player for Canada.

Kevin Pangos (Probable): Vet of the 2019 WC team, has had a fantastic bounce back season with Zenit in the EuroLeague. One of the top PGs in Europe this season. His FIBA experience would be extremely valuable to any rendition of Team Canada.

Luguentz Dort (Probable): Yet to play for the SMNT nor made public statements about playing, he's played for Canada at FIBA youth levels. Signed through 22/23 but will get some pressure not to play from agent/club (as most young players do) but not as much as SGA. Quickly becoming a really good two-way player.

RJ Barrett (Probable): Pops is the GM! Led U19 team to Gold! Knicks likely don't go far in the playoffs! On the record multiple times on his desire to play! Add it all up and I'd be very surprised if RJ isn't there. Could be the best player on the team if SGA doesn't show up.

Dillon Brooks (Probable): Secure contract, has stated multiple times he intends to play. Grizz will miss or won't go far in the playoffs. Showed up to the 2019 WC camp even though injured - Dillon wants to play.

Andrew Wiggins (Maybe): Long hiatus with Team Canada (2015) & hearing it from fans/media. Often asked and although elusive it seems he might be ready to once again suit up. GSW won't go far (or miss), contract is secure & even Nurse noted that they've been talking

Nickeil Alexander Walker (Likely): Pelicans won't make the playoffs. Regular member of Canada's FIBA youth teams (not yet the SMNT). Will still get the agent/club pressure not to play

Brandon Clarke (Maybe): Never played for Canada, never played a minute of FIBA, but we've seen him wearing Team Canada gear (probably forced on him by Dillon Brooks!). Grizz won't go far, but he's on his rookie deal and will get pressure

Chris Boucher (Likely): Pulled out last second from the WC team due to agent pressure, but now w/ a semi-secured contract. Non-guaranteed until after moratorium, but you'd think Toronto exercises and tells him their intent. You never know, so its still an issue

Kelly Olynyk (Maybe): HOU isn't making the playoffs, but KOs a UFA, which usually don't play. Seeing some nuggets that Kelly may play anyways. One of the most dedicated NBA vets & a team leader who will do his best to play. Feeling good about KO, but no sure thing

Khem Birch (Maybe): Almost a sure thing, but for his UFA status. He's said many times how much he loves repping Canada and playing for Nurse. Also indicated he will play regardless of contract status. Recent signing with Raps bodes well - perhaps they handshake

Trey Lyles (Unlikely) Regularly played FIBA for Canada in youth, but never at senior level. Not often vocal about a desire to play. Will be a UFA and I'd be surprised if he plays

Tristan Thompson (Maybe): One of the NBA vets who has repped Canada often (but not as much recently). Guaranteed contract for 21/22 but with an uncertain playoff run by Boston there still a solid chance TT plays.

Dwight Powell (Unlikely): Secure contract on a team that may not go far in the playoffs. Has often shown up for Canada in the past. But he's had a down year coming off a very difficult injury (Achilles). This may be a summer he takes off to focus on health

Many other excellent players to fill roles. Some Canada's top Euro players and SMNT vets like Dyshawn Pierre, Melvin Ejim, Phil & Thomas Scrubb, Kyle Wiltjer & Kassius Robertson could (should?) be there. Perhaps other NBA'rs like Oshae Brissett (Indiana) & Mychal Mulder (Golden State)

Tough to see any role for Nate Darling (Charlotte) or Karim Mane (Orlando). Perhaps Mfiondu Kabengele (Cleveland) if the bigs don't turn up. Other non-NBA NT newbies like Marial Shayok (BSL), Simi Shittu (G-League), Dylan Ennis (ACB/BCL) or Kyle Alexander (ACB) could find a place. Even Nik Stuaskas (G-League) is out there.


Still lots of "ifs" and "maybes" out there. Hopefully we start hearing more substantial news soon.

Hepcat
04-14-2021, 05:52 PM
Still lots of "ifs" and "maybes" out there. Hopefully we start hearing more substantial news soon.

That's always the troubling part when it comes to Team Canada.

:(

mojo13
04-15-2021, 03:48 PM
That's always the troubling part when it comes to Team Canada.

:(

Pretty much the same for every other country with NBA players right now.

Hepcat
04-16-2021, 04:17 PM
Based on the options, I am betting on Canada! Toronto Raptors all the way man! I also have to agree with mojo13. Andrew Nicholson and Luguentz Dort are just fantastic players! They really are great assets for their own teams. I would just have to add that my favourite (to which I think one of the few people that will bring canada to tokyo) is DeMar DeRozan. This guy is so humble that he doesn’t notice his potential. After all, he is the team’s all-time leading scorer. Thanks to his almost a decade of loyalty to the team, the country’s basketball culture also grew.

DeMar DeRozan isn't a Canadian though. The only Canadian on the Raptors team is Khem Birch. Like every other NBA team, the Raptors are just a bunch of (mostly American) hired mercenaries.

:(

ChuckDiesel2
04-17-2021, 05:31 PM
DeMar DeRozan isn't a Canadian though. The only Canadian on the Raptors team is Khem Birch. Like every other NBA team, the Raptors are just a bunch of (mostly American) hired mercenaries.

:(

Same can be said for most European teams too. :D

mojo13
04-17-2021, 08:34 PM
DeMar DeRozan isn't a Canadian though. The only Canadian on the Raptors team is Khem Birch. Like every other NBA team, the Raptors are just a bunch of (mostly American) hired mercenaries.

:(

Chris Boucher is Canadian as well. With Birch there now, it makes the Raptors with the most Canadians of any NBA club. Along with OKC, GSW and Memphis. All with two a piece.

mojo13
05-05-2021, 10:41 PM
Good update on the Victoria Olympic Qualifier here:
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1390032098749255683


I'm still not fully convinced it will take place in Victoria - but cases are finally going down (after a very significant outbreak).

mojo13
05-12-2021, 04:58 PM
With the NBA playoffs shaping up and teams eliminated the Canadian media is starting to press players a little more on their participation in Victoria.
Khem Birch basically committed yesterday and Kelly Olynyk punted saying he wants to play but is unsure with his free agency. Brandon Clarke said he intends to play last week, along with 2nd hand reports that SGA and Lu Dort intend to play. It is quite the game keeping up with the Canadians and absolutely nothing is certain until we actually see these guys in camp (any "lists" from Canada Basketball are near useless) but here is a bit of a running list for those interested:

Currently Out of Playoffs:
Khem Birch: Free agent, but directly stated he is playing
Chris Boucher: No news
NAW: No news
Lu Dort: Indirect reports that he intends to play.
SGA: Possible injury. Indirect reports that he intends to play.
Cory Joseph: Partial guarantee. No news
Kelly Olynyk: Free agent. Directly stated he wants to play, but unsure.
Mfiondu Kabengele: No news
Nate Darling: No news


Currently In Playoffs:
Dillon Brooks: No news, likely intends to play.
Brandon Clarke: Directly stated he is interested in playing
RJ Barrett: Directly stated he intends to play (if available)
Tristan Thompson: No news
Dwight Powell: No news
Trey Lyles: Free agent, No news
Andrew Wiggins: No news. Direct reports from Nick Nurse that they are talking
Mychal Mulder: No news
Oshae Brisset: No news

Injured:
Jamal Murray: Out
Tyler Ennis: Out?

Non-NBA:
Kevin Pangos: No news
Kyle Wiltjer: No news
Dyshawn Pierre: No news
Melvin Ejim: No news
Marial Shayok: No news
Phil Scrubb: No news
Thomas Scubb: No news
Andrew Nicholson: No news
Dylan Ennis: No news
Nik Stauskas: No news
Anthony Bennett: No news

Hepcat
05-12-2021, 05:26 PM
...Kelly Olynyk punted saying he wants to play but is unsure with his free agency.

Interesting. Kelly Olynyk's presence was in past years pretty well reliable.

:(

Toruko
05-12-2021, 05:48 PM
Its not even fully clarified that the tournament will take place... I had no problem to wait one more year :D

mojo13
05-13-2021, 06:05 AM
Interesting. Kelly Olynyk's presence was in past years pretty well reliable.

:(

Free agency for Canadian and American NBA players usually means they are not playing.
I typically count out any free agent...but this year seems a little different. Khem Birch already saying he is playing regardless. Kelly Olynyk after everything he has said, clearly wants to play, and I think he might. 50/50 right now.

I also failed to mention that Lu Dort and Dillion Brooks also both stated they intend to play.

mojo13
05-15-2021, 10:03 PM
China announced it’s 27 man player pool for the FIBA Olympic Qualifier in Victoria. No one of note missing. They are in Pool A alongside Canada and Greece.

www.fiba.basketball/oqt/canada/2020/news/china-s-27-player-training-camp-roster-loaded-with-stars-and-prospects-in-preparation-for-victoria

mojo13
05-18-2021, 04:34 PM
Turkey announced its 29 man player pool today. Osman, Korkmaz, Larkin, Ilyasova, Sengun, Yurtseven highlight the list. Any major omissions?

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1207399/turkey-announces-29-man-olympic-qualifiers-preliminary-squad/


Ege Arar Aliağa Petkim Spor
Sertaç Şanlı Anadolu Efes
A.Buğrahan Tuncer Anadolu Efes
Tolga Geçim Anadolu Efes
Deshane Davis Larkin Anadolu Efes
Erkan Yılmaz Bahçeşehir Koleji
Şehmus Hazer Beşiktaş JK Icrypex
Furkan Haltalı Beşiktaş JK Icrypex
Alperen Şengün Beşiktaş JK Icrypex
Sadık Emir Kabaca Beşiktaş JK Icrypex
Berk Demir Darüşşafaka Tekfen
Doğuş Özdemiroğlu Darüşşafaka Tekfen
Melih Mahmutoğlu Fenerbahçe Beko
Ömer Can İlyasoğlu Frutti Extra Bursaspor
Hüseyin Göksenin Köksal Galatasaray
Ayberk Olmaz Galatasaray
Yiğit Arslan Galatasaray
Akif Egemen Güven HDI Sigorta Afyon Belediyesi
J.Metecan Birsen Pınar Karşıyaka
Onuralp Bitim Pınar Karşıyaka
Muhsin Yaşar Tofaş
Berkan Durmaz Tofaş
Berk İbrahim Uğurlu Tofaş
Samet Geyik Türk Telekom
Cedi Osman Cleveland Cavaliers / ABD
Ömer Faruk Yurtseven Miami Heat / ABD
Kartal Özmızrak Obradoiro CAB / İspanya
Furkan Korkmaz Philadelphia 76ers / ABD
Ersan İlyasova Utah Jazz/ ABD

mojo13
05-18-2021, 04:36 PM
Some news on Greece too.

Rick Pitino landing in Greece on Friday, counting on Spanoulis
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1207153/rick-pitino-calling-up-vassilis-spanoulis-for-the-olympic-qualifying-tournament/

"Greek national team head coach Rick Pitino is expected back in Greece on Friday and prep his side for the Olympic Qualifying Tournament scheduled to be held from 29 June to 4 July in Victoria, Canada.

The preliminary list of players will be released within the next few days upon his arrival. Vassilis Spanoulis will be among the players called up.


Spanoulis, 38, had not ruled out his return to the national team for the first time since the 2015 edition of EuroBasket. He was indeed projected as the team leader by Pitino, also the Iona boss.

He last played helping Olympiacos defeat Khimki Moscow Region in the Turkish Airlines EuroLeague Regular Season finale. Since completing his campaign at the club level, the well-experienced captain of the Reds has been training daily aiming to remain in optimal shape. The Greek NT staff is confident in him strengthening the Olympic Games bid.

On another note, Giannis Antetokounmpo is unlikely to make his way to the preliminary list with the Milwaukee Bucks looking for an extended run in the 2021 NBA Playoffs."

Toruko
05-18-2021, 04:44 PM
No, you pointed it out correctly. These 6 guys are the top guys of this team. You could have also mentioned Sertac Sanli who is making waives in EL but its ok. The major European role player are James Metecan Birsen who took a solid role with Karsiyaka and played FIBA CL final as well as Sehmus Hazer who has been taking a major role with Besiktas and Melih Mahmutoglu despite playing a horrible season so far he brings experience on the table.

Rest is not ready for National team.

mojo13
05-18-2021, 04:55 PM
Is there some sort of deadline to announce a player pool and what is the size?
Many seem to be coming out lately with China, Slovenia and Turkey all in the last 24 hours. All 24-29 players.

I don't expect much publicly from Team Canada even if they have to submit something formal. The main challenge for Canada is figuring out who is playing and they will likely come down to the wire.

Toruko
05-18-2021, 05:00 PM
Is there some sort of deadline to announce a player pool and what is the size?
Many seem to be coming out lately with China, Slovenia and Turkey all in the last 24 hours. All 24-29 players.

I don't expect much publicly from Team Canada even if they have to submit something formal. The main challenge for Canada is figuring out who is playing and they will likely come down to the wire.

These rosters were declared officially and you cant put another guy from outside in this list. Turkeys wide roster was made because of possible covit problems etc. I dont think that you have to reduce your size so it means you can make a 12 men roster out of these 29 guys. Turkey will shorten it anyway in time but i dont think there is a official restriction.

Shawshank
05-18-2021, 05:50 PM
I think Giannis should be in preliminary list.

I dont see Bucks beating both Miami and Nets teams in back to back serries in first 2 rounds.

mojo13
05-18-2021, 06:19 PM
I think Giannis should be in preliminary list.

I dont see Bucks beating both Miami and Nets teams in back to back serries in first 2 rounds.

Rumors out there that he isnt playing regardless if the Bucks lose early. Why else wouldn't he be on the prelim list? They wouldn't leave him off unless he definitely says he is not playing. Sounds like we will see the prelim list this week.

Shawshank
05-18-2021, 06:59 PM
Rumors out there that he isnt playing regardless if the Bucks lose early. Why else wouldn't he be on the prelim list? They wouldn't leave him off unless he definitely says he is not playing. Sounds like we will see the prelim list this week.

i dont know where those rumours comes,but from what i saw Giannis is in playing for Greece.

He sign already long max contract and it can be his first Olympic games.

Almost all even american nba MVPs played or wanted to play in Olympic summer.

I would be very suprised if Giannis is free and not trying to help Greece make Olympic games.

Even Kawhi Leonard load management expert agrees to play in Olympics without rest after nba season :)

Thats says alot how all even best of the best world athletes sees Olympic games.

JGX
05-19-2021, 03:20 AM
Is there some sort of deadline to announce a player pool and what is the size?
Many seem to be coming out lately with China, Slovenia and Turkey all in the last 24 hours. All 24-29 players.

I don't expect much publicly from Team Canada even if they have to submit something formal. The main challenge for Canada is figuring out who is playing and they will likely come down to the wire.

FIBA regulations say the deadline for submitting a preliminary roster of up to 24 players is seven days before the start of the tournanemnt, although in practice teams are going to announce their rosters before they start training. The final roster can include up to two players who were not on the preliminary roster.

mojo13
05-21-2021, 08:55 PM
Here is yet another report implying Giannis is not playing.


https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1208683/rick-pitino-talks-potential-greek-national-team-invites-for-olympic-qualifying-tournament/

Spanoulis, 38, last played for the Greek national team back in 2015. Other players considered are Tyler Dorsey and Kostas Koufos, as noted by Pitino. However, Giannis and Thanasis Antetokounmpo will not be on his list.

Who knows if these are accurate reports, but this is the 3rd or 4th one I have seen.

Shawshank
05-22-2021, 06:12 AM
After closely watching last 3 grizzlies games i was really suprised how good Dillon Brooks is.

I have a feeling he can be Canadian emotional leader this summer.His playing style is perfect for fiba ,fantastic defender , really plays with emotion and competes hard.

Wiggins and Shai is more tallented,but heart of canadian team easily can become Dillon.

I was more was rooting for Valanciunas play well,but wanted Grizzlies do not get to playoofs for JV get rest,but how hard Grizzlies fought in last 3 games to make the playoofs they really deserved to be there.

Happy for Grizzlies big 3 Morant,Brooks and Valanciunas.

Not the most impressive big trio in nba,but damm sure great fighters and their skillsets fits nicely on the floor .

Victorious
05-22-2021, 01:04 PM
Rumors out there that he isnt playing regardless if the Bucks lose early. Why else wouldn't he be on the prelim list? They wouldn't leave him off unless he definitely says he is not playing. Sounds like we will see the prelim list this week.

Giannis will probably not play because he will not have time to prepare. Other than that, all the rest are rumors. If Bucks loose early, anything goes.

Mindozas
05-25-2021, 10:53 AM
It seems Wiggins committed to play for Canada. Big news after Murray injury

Straight forward
05-25-2021, 10:54 AM
Wiggins commits. If Alexandre, Dillon Brooks, Barret and say Pangos will join him, Canada is pretty much unbeatable in this tournament.

Katastroika
05-25-2021, 11:15 AM
Maybe unbeatable is too huge of a word but yes, they are really huge favourite with this star lineup. Really much talent and a coach that is able to and respected enough to define proper roles.

Straight forward
05-25-2021, 12:01 PM
Maybe unbeatable is too huge of a word but yes, they are really huge favourite with this star lineup. Really much talent and a coach that is able to and respected enough to define proper roles.

Maybe, specially that Canada sort of failure prone to some extent and only yet to prove their point(even though it may be a little bit overrated), but having so many elite players who can play with the ball from perimeter makes this team monster favorite to grab Olympic ticker, knowing that they likely will be filled with quality all roster wise. On other hand, Alexander is questionable duo to injury and no Murray as we know, that may be huge obstacles, 2 of their absolutely best players. But if Alexander in, that's pretty scary.

mojo13
05-25-2021, 04:10 PM
Here is what we know so far from the last month:
The following have publically stated they are playing:
Andrew Wiggins
Lu Dort
Khem Birch

The following have heavily implied they are playing:
Chris Boucher
Brandon Clarke

The following have publicly said they really want to play but are a "maybe" do to injuries or free agency:
Shai Gilgeous Alexander - said he is not playing unless he is 100% healthy. I do not think he'll play in the Qualifier, but will if we make the Olympics.
Kelly Olynyk - he said due to free agency he is uncertain and needs to look into insurance. I think he is 50/50.

I am confident the following will play if they are available from the NBA playoffs:
Dillon Brooks
RJ Barrett

The rest there hasn't been much news at late - Cory Joseph, Tristan Thompson, Dwight Powell, Nickeil Alexander Walker, Mychal Mulder, Oshae Brissett, Kevin Pangos
Some of these guys will play - some won't.

I think we will have at least 7-8 NBA players - but still think we need 2 or 3 of SGA, Olynyk, Barrett, Brooks and Wiggins to anchor the team.


Would you guys think the following would be a good enough team?

Pangos
Dort
Wiggins
Boucher
Birch

With a mix of NBA players and Euro players off the bench. Brissett, Mulder, Ejim Wiltjer

I think that is a near worst case scenario at this point. With plenty of likely players to improve that 5 (Barrett, Brooks, CoJo, Clarke, Brissett, Olynyk, Thompson)


I still think we need at least one big shot taker in Brooks, Barrett or Olynyk for me to consider Canada favorites.

Hepcat
05-26-2021, 01:41 AM
With such a team Canada would/should not only be the favourite to qualify in its group but be a medal threat at the Olympics.

:)

Mindozas
05-26-2021, 07:22 AM
Would you guys think the following would be a good enough team?

Pangos
Dort
Wiggins
Boucher
Birch

With a mix of NBA players and Euro players off the bench. Brissett, Mulder, Ejim Wiltjer

I think that is a near worst case scenario at this point. With plenty of likely players to improve that 5 (Barrett, Brooks, CoJo, Clarke, Brissett, Olynyk, Thompson)


I still think we need at least one big shot taker in Brooks, Barrett or Olynyk for me to consider Canada favorites.

I'm a bit far from NBA to judge, but as a crappy NBA observer I still think that on paper it looks really good, but the question is how it will look on court. Preparations are very short and that might be a problem for Canada, cause Greeks, Turks, Czechs are better as a unit, especially Czechs might have big advantage in it being coached by the same coach for years, everyone knowing each other, tactics and etc. It doesn't make them favorites of course, but if Satoransky, Vesely and others will join, they will be dangerous rival

mojo13
05-27-2021, 03:42 PM
Canada has announced their list of players who have "accepted an invitation" to camp.

Kyle Alexander
Forward
6’11”
Milton, ON
Fuenlabrada (Spain)

Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Guard
6’6”
Toronto, ON
New Orleans Pelicans

R.J. Barrett
Guard
6'6”
Mississauga, ON
New York Knicks

Trae Bell-Haynes
Guard
6'2”
Toronto, ON
Crailsheim Merlins (Germany)

Anthony Bennett
Forward
6’8”
Toronto, ON
N/A

Khem Birch
Centre
6'9”
Montreal, QC
Toronto Raptors

Oshae Brissett
Forward
6’7”
Mississauga, ON
Indiana Pacers

Dillon Brooks
Forward
6'7"
Mississauga, ON
Memphis Grizzlies

Brandon Clarke
Forward
6’8”
Vancouver, BC
Memphis Grizzlies

Aaron Doornekamp
Forward
6’7”
Napanee, ON
Tenerife (Spain)

Luguentz Dort
Guard
6’4”
Montreal, QC
Oklahoma City Thunder

Melvin Ejim
Forward
6'6"
Toronto, ON
Buducnost VOLI (Montenegro)

Cory Joseph
Guard
6'3"
Toronto, ON
Detroit Pistons

Trey Lyles
Forward
6’10”
Saskatoon, SK
San Antonio Spurs

Mychal Mulder
Guard
6’3”
Windsor, ON
Golden State Warriors

Andrew Nicholson
Forward
6’9”
Mississauga, ON
Fujian Sturgeons (China)

Andrew Nembhard
Guard
6’5”
Aurora, ON
Gonzaga Bulldogs (NCAA)

Kelly Olynyk
Forward
7'0"
Kamloops, BC
Houston Rockets

Dwight Powell
Forward
6'11"
Toronto, ON
Dallas Mavericks

Tristan Thompson
Centre
6’10”
Brampton, ON
Boston Celtics

Andrew Wiggins
Forward
6’7”
Vaughan, ON
Golden State Warriors



No SGA (injured), no Chris Boucher (contract issues maybe?) and no Kevin Pangos. Those seem to be the big missing pieces (and Jamal Murray). Any but Murray could eventually join the team if we Qualify or they change their minds I suppose.

Great list - little light at PG though.
https://www.basketball.ca/news/21-athletes-accept-invitations-to-attend-senior-mens-national-team-fiba-olympic-qualifying-tournament-training-camp


If all these guys show up, perhaps a starting line up of:

CoJo
Barrett
Wiggins
Olynyk
Birch

NAW
Dort
Brooks
Clarke
Thompson
Mulder
Ejim

I don't know - lots of pieces to play with here.....

Katastroika
05-27-2021, 03:55 PM
Good team, really good and deep them. But I have the feeling that three of 5 best players are missing. It hurts. Still a very good roster. I'm impressed.

ChuckDiesel2
05-27-2021, 07:59 PM
The best Canadian roster of all time, but no SGA is obviously a huge blow to their medal hopes. Really hope we get a Dillon Brooks vs Nikola Kalinic cage match at some point in Tokyo.

mojo13
05-28-2021, 04:02 PM
Lots of shifting news coming out of Greece of late. Now supposedly Tyler Dorsey & Koufos are out & Giannis & Thanassis Antetokounmpo will play (if available - #GoBucks!) .Dorsey would be a big loss at SG as Spanoulis is ancient.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1211171/spanoulis-in-dorsey-and-koufos-out-for-the-greek-nt/

Petran
05-29-2021, 03:59 PM
Spanoulis has indeed grown older and slower, but he can still win a match in his good, albeit rare, day. However, he will be 3rd or 4th guard, after Calathes and Sloukas. In general, we have 7-8 good players, but with the roster Canada is throwing at, I really hope that Bucks are eliminated by the Nets in the 2nd round and Anteto brothers take the flight to Victoria. Else, hoping to see them as the 1st Greek duo to become NBA Champions at least.

Hepcat
05-30-2021, 12:44 PM
Canada has announced their list of players who have "accepted an invitation" to camp.

No SGA (injured), no Chris Boucher (contract issues maybe?) and no Kevin Pangos. Those seem to be the big missing pieces (and Jamal Murray). Any but Murray could eventually join the team if we Qualify or they change their minds I suppose.

Great list - little light at PG though.
https://www.basketball.ca/news/21-athletes-accept-invitations-to-attend-senior-mens-national-team-fiba-olympic-qualifying-tournament-training-camp


If all these guys show up, perhaps a starting line up of:

CoJo
Barrett
Wiggins
Olynyk
Birch

NAW
Dort
Brooks
Clarke
Thompson
Mulder
Ejim

I don't know - lots of pieces to play with here.....

I'm going to miss Phil and Thomas Scrubb who've always answered the call for Canada previously. The lineup looks a little light to me on FIBA experience as well.

:confused:

Mindozas
05-31-2021, 09:58 AM
Uruguay announced their list

Bases: Gustavo Barrera, Bruno Fitipaldo, Jayson Granger y Luciano Parodi
Exteriores: Joaquín Rodríguez, Santiago Vescovi, Juani Ducasse y Emiliano Serrés.
Interiores: Martín Rojas, Mathías Calfani, Theo Metzger, Nicolás Borsellino, Esteban Batista, Federico Haller, Mauricio Arregui y Kiril Wachsmann.

Heh, how do I missed that legendary Olympic winner from 2004 Ruben Magnano is now coaching Uruguay...

Overall, surely the most complete is backcourt with Granger from Alba Berlin, Fitipaldo from strong ACB side Tenerife, then Parodi is doing very good in Brazil, even veteran Barrera can still add smth. Other lines are not that impressive, maybe Calfani playing in Japan can be mentioned, Argentinian club Obras duo Serres and Rodriguez, then youngster from NCAA like Vescovi (Tennessee) maybe could be valuable, but probably more future project. If only Esteban Batista was some 10 years younger :)

mojo13
06-01-2021, 04:18 PM
Greece opens up training camp with:
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1213293/greece-officially-names-spanoulis-to-olympic-qualifying-tournament-training-camp-squad/

PG Kostas Sloukas / Ioannis Athinaiou / Kostas Papadakis
SG Vassilis Spanoulis / Giannoulis Larentzakis / Christos Saloustros
SF Vassilis Charalampopoulos / Nikos Rogkavopoulos
PG Georgios Printezis / Nikos Chougkaz
C Vassilis Kavvadas / Kostas Antetokounmpo

Reinforcements likely arrive from AEK & Promitheas who were just knocked out of the Greek playoffs and possibly Panathinaikos & Lavrio in the coming weeks if there is enough time to integrate them.

Is Nick Calathes likely out because of the ACB playoffs?

Still no mention of Giannis and Thanasis as options to be added on later to the team.

Did anyone ever see a 24 man player pool from Greece - I am curious who is likely to join this initial squad or not.

mojo13
06-01-2021, 04:24 PM
Spanoulis has indeed grown older and slower, but he can still win a match in his good, albeit rare, day. However, he will be 3rd or 4th guard, after Calathes and Sloukas. In general, we have 7-8 good players, but with the roster Canada is throwing at, I really hope that Bucks are eliminated by the Nets in the 2nd round and Anteto brothers take the flight to Victoria. Else, hoping to see them as the 1st Greek duo to become NBA Champions at least.


French Pro-A is not close to being finished - thus we never expected Phil or Thomas Scrubb, Kaza Keane, Aaron Best or Owen Klassen. Also saves them from being cut.

With FIBA experience I can agree, but at some point talent trumps experience. Ejim, Pierre, Pangos, Wiltjer are really the only FIBA guys that could realistically make this team. Perhaps a PG - as we look thin there (Trae Bell Haynes has a real shot). And therfore Pangos is a huge loss to this team (a top 12 guy for me no matter who else is there). Hopefully they prioritize Melvin Ejim - but it is a deep pool of forwards. they will have to cut multiple NBA guys in favor of Ejim.
I think Pangos is a huge loss here

Toruko
06-01-2021, 04:24 PM
Greece opens up training camp with:
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1213293/greece-officially-names-spanoulis-to-olympic-qualifying-tournament-training-camp-squad/

PG Kostas Sloukas / Ioannis Athinaiou / Kostas Papadakis
SG Vassilis Spanoulis / Giannoulis Larentzakis / Christos Saloustros
SF Vassilis Charalampopoulos / Nikos Rogkavopoulos
PG Georgios Printezis / Nikos Chougkaz
C Vassilis Kavvadas / Kostas Antetokounmpo

Reinforcements likely arrive from AEK & Promitheas who were just knocked out of the Greek playoffs and possibly Panathinaikos & Lavrio in the coming weeks if there is enough time to integrate them.

Is Nick Calathes likely out because of the ACB playoffs?

Still no mention of Giannis and Thanasis as options to be added on later to the team.

Did anyone ever see a 24 man player pool from Greece - I am curious who is likely to join this initial squad or not.

It will be Nick Calathes + Oly guys + PAO guys. It will be something like this.

Nick Calathes, Vasillis Spanoulis
Kostas Sloukas, Gianluca Larentzakis
Ionnis Papapetrou, Vassilis Charalampopoulos
Georgios Printezis, Dinos Mitoglou
Georgios Printezis, Kostas Antetokounmpo, (Ionnis Bourousis)

Giannis Antetokounmpo will most likely not play even if Bucks loses the series against Brooklyn. Just in case Greece accomplishes to qualify just then...

Victorious
06-02-2021, 03:46 PM
Greece opens up training camp with:
https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1213293/greece-officially-names-spanoulis-to-olympic-qualifying-tournament-training-camp-squad/

PG Kostas Sloukas / Ioannis Athinaiou / Kostas Papadakis
SG Vassilis Spanoulis / Giannoulis Larentzakis / Christos Saloustros
SF Vassilis Charalampopoulos / Nikos Rogkavopoulos
PG Georgios Printezis / Nikos Chougkaz
C Vassilis Kavvadas / Kostas Antetokounmpo

Reinforcements likely arrive from AEK & Promitheas who were just knocked out of the Greek playoffs and possibly Panathinaikos & Lavrio in the coming weeks if there is enough time to integrate them.

Is Nick Calathes likely out because of the ACB playoffs?

Still no mention of Giannis and Thanasis as options to be added on later to the team.

Did anyone ever see a 24 man player pool from Greece - I am curious who is likely to join this initial squad or not.

There is no official 24 player pool. Pitino said that he decided that 6-7 of the players will be on the team for sure. He is still undecided about the other half of the team. Bourousis, Papanikolaou, Dorsey and Koufos are not part of the team. All of these players could have been called. Calathes will probably join after the play offs.

mojo13
06-02-2021, 03:59 PM
With Canada, as of last night Tristan Thompson is offcially free from the playoffs and able to join Camp.

RJ Barrett and Dillon Brooks / Brandon Clark are both down 3-1 in their series and likley to be free soon. Dwight Powell is the only question, but he is not currently on my top 12.

My 12 currently is:

PGs: Cory Joseph, Nickeil Alexander Walker, Trae Bell Haynes
Wings: Dillon Brooks, RJ Barrett, Andrew Wiggins, Lu Dort
Perimeter Bigs: Kelly Olynyk, Oshae Brissett, Melvin Ejim
Traditionally Bigs: Khem Birch, Tristan Thompson

I still think Olynyk and CoJo are the two most important pieces here. Olynyk really opens up the floor as a shoot/drive/pass threat.
I think we'll see stretches' with Olynyk at the 5 and Wiggins at the the 4 allowing a CoJo, Brooks, Barrett, Wiggins, Olynyk line up. That mobility is going to be tough to defend.
And times with Olynyk at the 4 and either Birch/TT at the 5 versus bigger line ups.

We can also put some fairly nasty defensive lineup on the floor among CoJo, Dort, Brooks, Wiggins, Birch/TT


What's bothering me right now is the short prep time. Camp doesn't start until the 16th (Tampa) and we don't have one exhibition game on the schedule yet.

Hepcat
06-03-2021, 05:12 PM
I've still not seen any word on friendlies that Canada is going to play in the next few weeks before the Qualifying Tournament.

:confused:

ChuckDiesel2
06-09-2021, 01:11 AM
Kevin Pangos was one of the best point guards paid to play FIBA style basketball last season, think Canada's really going to miss him and don't understand why he didn't make the cut. His choice?

Hepcat
06-09-2021, 03:08 AM
I don't understand it either.

:confused:

mojo13
06-09-2021, 03:44 PM
Kevin Pangos was one of the best point guards paid to play FIBA style basketball last season, think Canada's really going to miss him and don't understand why he didn't make the cut. His choice?

His choice.

Clearly he was invited. He was one of Canada's best players at the 2019 WC. Nick Nurse loved him...going on record saying having Pangos on the floor was like having a 2nd coach out there. And he was instrumental in helping the NBA players adapt. We are short PGs and Pangos would at worse be the back up PG on this team. He is in my top 12 with a 100% full turnout. I think Nick Nurse sees it that way too.

A couple days ago it was reported Pangos wants to take a run at the NBA and turned down Zenit's lucrative offer to what to see what happens at NBA free agency. This is Pangos's priority at the moment. Further you may recall he missed the entire 19/20 season with Barca due to a injury he may have picked up in the 2019 WC playing for Canada. Certainly he does not want to risk injury at this crucial junction of his career.

He will really be missed...

mojo13
06-09-2021, 03:45 PM
Czech 18 man pool announced.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1216288/tomas-satoransky-jan-vesely-highlight-czech-republic-preliminary-squad-for-olympic-qualifying-tournament/

"Tomas Satoransky and Jan Vesely stand out of the Czech Republic preliminary squad for the approaching Olympic Qualifying Tournament, announced Tuesday.

Jan Zidek, son of former NBA center George Zidek and Pepperdine forward, also received an invitation.

Patrik Auda, Richard Balint, Ondrej Balvin, Jaromic Bohacik, David Bohm, Ondrej Hanzlik, Vojtech Hruban, Lubos Kovar, Lukas Palyza, Martin Peterka, Patrick Samoura, Blake Schilb, Ondrej Sehnal, Jakub Sirina, and Tomas Vyoral round up the 18-man list."



Comments? (I dont know the Czechs well)

Katastroika
06-09-2021, 03:47 PM
Great Czech roster. Hard nut to crack.

Toruko
06-09-2021, 04:28 PM
Czech 18 man pool announced.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/olympic-games/1216288/tomas-satoransky-jan-vesely-highlight-czech-republic-preliminary-squad-for-olympic-qualifying-tournament/

"Tomas Satoransky and Jan Vesely stand out of the Czech Republic preliminary squad for the approaching Olympic Qualifying Tournament, announced Tuesday.

Jan Zidek, son of former NBA center George Zidek and Pepperdine forward, also received an invitation.

Patrik Auda, Richard Balint, Ondrej Balvin, Jaromic Bohacik, David Bohm, Ondrej Hanzlik, Vojtech Hruban, Lubos Kovar, Lukas Palyza, Martin Peterka, Patrick Samoura, Blake Schilb, Ondrej Sehnal, Jakub Sirina, and Tomas Vyoral round up the 18-man list."



Comments? (I dont know the Czechs well)

Good chemistry roster. They are playing toghether for a long time and the majority of the guys are also together in the best Czech club. Their best guys are Thomas Satoransky and Jan Vesely and also Ondrej Balvin. Solid shooting team with clear roles but the quality is not so high.

mojo13
06-10-2021, 03:44 PM
Yi Jianlian, Guo Aillun and Wang Zhelin have withdrawn from the China National Basketball Team training camp due to injuries. China will play against Japan & Chinese Taipei in the 2021 FIBA Asia Cup next week and against Canada & Greece in the Olympic Qualifying Tournaments.

https://twitter.com/titan_plus/status/1402836288642842625?s=20


Yi and Wang were potential starters right?

mojo13
06-15-2021, 09:07 PM
Camp starts tomorrow for Canada and players have been showing up to Tampa today (or not).

A couple key drop outs already in Dillon Brooks, Tristan Thompson and Oshae Brissett.

Most every other NBA player on the 21 man list has been spotted except RJ Barrett, Kelly Olynyk, Khem Birch and Brandon Clarke. Some very key guys in that 4 - so hopefully by tomorrow they are confirmed at camp.

reamily
06-15-2021, 10:01 PM
Yi Jianlian, Guo Aillun and Wang Zhelin have withdrawn from the China National Basketball Team training camp due to injuries. China will play against Japan & Chinese Taipei in the 2021 FIBA Asia Cup next week and against Canada & Greece in the Olympic Qualifying Tournaments.

https://twitter.com/titan_plus/status/1402836288642842625?s=20


Yi and Wang were potential starters right?

Guo is a surefire starter/ best scoring gaurd, Yi and Wang comprise of the main big men roation together with Zhou Qi

mojo13
06-17-2021, 05:59 AM
So the Canadian camp started today and it is the typical mess of no shows and no clear communication from anyone. Doesn’t help it is in Tampa and no Canadian media are on the ground. Here is what we think we know as of today.

Thompson, Brooks and Brissett seem certainly out.

We think Brandon Clarke too but less certain.

Khem Birch and Kelly Olynyk we think might be there physically but they definitely were not on the floor practicing today. Rumors that they could both be out as well, but they are both free agents and may be dealing with insurance issues that need to be worked out before they can play (again that may not happen).

of the better players there a 12 man roster could look something like this.


CoJo, NAW, Scrubb (Keane)
Dort, Mulder
Barrett / Ejim
Wiggins / Nicholson
Powell / Lyles / Owen Klassen (Kyle Alexander)

Still enough talent to beat everyone if Nurse can pull a team together - but that is far from a given. A very inexperienced team never really having played together, very little FIBA experience. Pretty darn weak defensively up front. Laughably short prep time with no friendlies. Just one of Birch or Olynyk would be a huge boon.

I honestly don’t know if we’d are even favored at this point. Need to wait to see who shows up for Turkey.


But a clear Canadian picture has yet to be painted.

Toruko
06-17-2021, 07:43 AM
So the Canadian camp started today and it is the typical mess of no shows and no clear communication from anyone. Doesn’t help it is in Tampa and no Canadian media are on the ground. Here is what we think we know as of today.

Thompson, Brooks and Brissett seem certainly out.

We think Brandon Clarke too but less certain.

Khem Birch and Kelly Olynyk we think might be there physically but they definitely were not on the floor practicing today. Rumors that they could both be out as well, but they are both free agents and may be dealing with insurance issues that need to be worked out before they can play (again that may not happen).

of the better players there a 12 man roster could look something like this.


CoJo, NAW, Scrubb (Keane)
Dort, Mulder
Barrett / Ejim
Wiggins / Nicholson
Powell / Lyles / Owen Klassen (Kyle Alexander)

Still enough talent to beat everyone if Nurse can pull a team together - but that is far from a given. A very inexperienced team never really having played together, very little FIBA experience. Pretty darn weak defensively up front. Laughably short prep time with no friendlies. Just one of Birch or Olynyk would be a huge boon.

I honestly don’t know if we’d are even favored at this point. Need to wait to see who shows up for Turkey.


But a clear Canadian picture has yet to be painted.

Everyone who is available right now showed up. Shane Larkin hasnt started with training because of a back injury but its not that severe. Ersan Ilyasova and Furkan Korkmaz are still in the States because of the Playoffs and it doesnt look good for their teams. Furkan will be there 100% if his team fails but Ilyasova might say "no" even if I think he will come if he is available.

okanial
06-17-2021, 09:33 AM
I am sad to read both of our games are at 6 am. I was hoping it would be like East cost games so I could stay up but it will hurt to miss the games

mojo13
06-18-2021, 07:48 PM
Three days into camp and no clearer picture for Canada.

Only Dwight Powell and RJ Barrett have been seen at media pressers. Total mystery after that. Instagram stories of Andrew Wiggins at a Lake in Minnesota, Cory Joseph in a desert with his family. We think perhaps some guys have been given permission to show up at camp later, but this is a really short prep time, made even worse. Canada's full team (whoever they are) is literally going to practice together for a few days, have no friendlies and get right into it.....fun...

Hepcat
06-19-2021, 12:49 AM
I am sad to read both of our games are at 6 am. I was hoping it would be like East cost games so I could stay up but it will hurt to miss the games

If games from Vancouver are at 6:00 AM your time, games from Montréal or Toronto would be at 3:00 AM. With the games in Vancouver, all you have to do is go to bed early and get up early!

;)

Hepcat
06-19-2021, 12:49 AM
Only Dwight Powell and RJ Barrett have been seen at media pressers. Total mystery after that. Instagram stories of Andrew Wiggins at a Lake in Minnesota, Cory Joseph in a desert with his family. We think perhaps some guys have been given permission to show up at camp later, but this is a really short prep time, made even worse. Canada's full team (whoever they are) is literally going to practice together for a few days, have no friendlies and get right into it.....fun...

Oh groan.

:(

mojo13
06-19-2021, 08:17 PM
Oh groan.

:(

Little more info today after a presser that featured Lu Dort.
RJ, Powell and Dort have been seen in pressers. Plus a few U19s. Nurse mentioned NAW and Mulder at today's presser.

Nurse also mentioned Lyles, Nicholson, Klassen, Doornekamp and Ejim yesterday. Lyles has been spotted there on social media.

Who we think is coming late - Wiggins and CoJo.

Who we think is out - Brooks, Brissett, TT, KO, Birch.


CoJo
Barrett
Wiggins
Lyles
Powell

With NAW, Dort, Mulder, Nicholson, Ejim the main pieces off the bench seems fairly formidable.

mojo13
06-20-2021, 08:21 PM
Anyone know what’s up with Tomás Satoransky or Jan Vesely?

I’m not sure but it looks like neither has played yet?

Are they with the team? Are they expected to play?

Toruko
06-20-2021, 08:33 PM
Anyone know what’s up with Tomás Satoransky or Jan Vesely?

I’m not sure but it looks like neither has played yet?

Are they with the team? Are they expected to play?

Sato will come later but Vesely has an injury. Its unclear if he will play or not. They were not in Hamburg thats right.

Straight forward
06-21-2021, 10:16 AM
It's getting real tight in this group. Canada won't be as almighty as it easily could. It's really open tournament now of 4 NTs going after Olympic ticket. It's amazing how Canada always finds way to screw things up for themselves :D Not that the team is crappy, no, but far from where they could be with few more pieces. And Canada won't have as much coherence as Czech Rep, Turkey, Greece. It's a race, will be interesting.

Dtown
06-21-2021, 11:34 AM
I don't really get Canada's problem with commitments, I mean I understand people not committing (especially this year), but I don't get why Canada doesn't get more notice about who is and isn't on the team. It always seems a surprise about who's in training camp.

Hepcat
06-21-2021, 03:34 PM
The Canada Basketball website is almost useless. The list of nineteen players participating in the national team camp was posted only today:

Team Canada Candidates (https://www.basketball.ca/news/19-athletes-participating-in-senior-mens-national-team-camp-ahead-of-fiba-olympic-qualifying-tournament)

:(

fasoulaki
06-21-2021, 03:38 PM
The Canada Basketball website is almost useless. The list of nineteen players participating in the national team camp was posted only today:

Team Canada Candidates (https://www.basketball.ca/news/19-athletes-participating-in-senior-mens-national-team-camp-ahead-of-fiba-olympic-qualifying-tournament)

:(

Didn't Canada play any exhibition game so far?

mojo13
06-21-2021, 03:42 PM
Well Canada finally announced its camp roster. I suspect they were waiting for Cory Joseph and Andrew Wiggins to show up this morning.

https://www.basketball.ca/news/19-athletes-participating-in-senior-mens-national-team-camp-ahead-of-fiba-olympic-qualifying-tournament


Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Guard
6’6”
Toronto, ON
New Orleans Pelicans

R.J. Barrett
Guard
6'6”
Mississauga, ON
New York Knicks

Charles Bediako
Centre
6’10”
Brampton, ON
Alabama Crimson Tide (NCAA)

Trae Bell-Haynes
Guard
6'2”
Toronto, ON
Crailsheim Merlins (Germany)

Anthony Bennett
Forward
6’8”
Toronto, ON
Cangrejeros de Santurce (Puerto Rico)

Aaron Doornekamp
Forward
6’7”
Napanee, ON
Tenerife (Spain)

Luguentz Dort
Guard
6’4”
Montreal, QC
Oklahoma City Thunder

Zach Edey
Centre
7’4”
Toronto, ON
Purdue Boilermakers (NCAA)

Melvin Ejim
Forward
6'6"
Toronto, ON
Buducnost VOLI (Montenegro)

Cory Joseph
Guard
6'3"
Toronto, ON
Detroit Pistons

Owen Klassen
Centre
6'10"
Kingston, ON
Boulazac Basket Dordogne (France)

Trey Lyles
Forward
6’10”
Saskatoon, SK
San Antonio Spurs

Bennedict Mathurin
Guard
6’7”
Montreal, QC
Arizona Wildcats (NCAA)

Isiaha Mike
Guard
6’8”
Toronto, ON
Niners Chemnitz (Germany)

Mychal Mulder
Guard
6’3”
Windsor, ON
Golden State Warriors

Andrew Nembhard
Guard
6’5”
Aurora, ON
Gonzaga Bulldogs (NCAA)

Andrew Nicholson
Forward
6’9”
Mississauga, ON
Fujian Sturgeons (China)

Dwight Powell
Forward
6'11"
Toronto, ON
Dallas Mavericks

Andrew Wiggins
Forward
6’7”
Vaughan, ON
Golden State Warriors



Seems as I was speculating the last day. And a likely 12 man roster of something like:


Gaurds: Joseph/NAW/Trae Bell Haynes/ Mulder

Wings: Barrett, Wiggins, Dort, Ejim

Bigs: Lyles, Powell, Nicholson, Bennett (Klassen)




Still the best talent in the tournament (by far) and the most talented group Canada has ever assembled.

Strength is in the Wings for sure with Barrett, Wiggins, Dort and then guards with CoJo, NAW, Mulder.
In this short prep time defense and transition will likely be the calling cards. I am very curious to see what kind of havoc Dort and CoJo can create on opposing guards. NAW might be the most dynamic of the guards and should have a meaningful role, but is young and with CoJo one of the most experienced FIBA players on the team, CoJo's going to need to be the lead guard.

The bigs are seemingly the weakness here, but that might be because of what could have been if the just a couple more showed up (Olynyk/Birch). But still Lyles/Powell/Nicholson are probably the best trio of bigs in the tournament. Each has severe limitations and not much rim protection or great defense between the three, but Powell is and elite rim running big and one of the best in the world at finishing PnRs. Nicholson has been lighting it up in China for years - (but it is China!) shooting well into the 40% range from three on very heavy volume. Offense is not the worry with Nicholson, but he is a black hole and not a great defender.
Lyles is a mystery man - he has had good stretches in the NBA (this season was not one of them) and has shown to be a decent shooting and rebounding big when given minutes. No idea what kind of shape he is in having not played since the ASB.

We might get a little beaten up in the paint - but the big guards and wings should help. Hopefully that doesn't kill our transition game though as Barrett, Dort or Wiggins needs to stay home to help secure rebounds.

The other issue is who leads the team? CoJo is the senior guy, but not the most talented and not who I want taking crunch time shots. Wiggins is clearly the beta type but an excellent one at that. Barrett is the lead dog type but he is only 21.

Overall an interesting mix of young dynamic talent (Barrett, NAW, Dort, Wiggins) and some vets to steady the boat (CoJo, Powell, Ejim, Nicholson)

The talent is there, but with this terribly short prep time, it could easily be not enough.

Toruko
06-21-2021, 03:47 PM
Furkan Korkmaz (76ers)
Ersan Ilyasova (Jazz)

confirmed participation.

This is the strongest team Turkey since 2010!

Victorious
06-21-2021, 04:10 PM
Furkan Korkmaz (76ers)
Ersan Ilyasova (Jazz)

confirmed participation.

This is the strongest team Turkey since 2010!

So Turkey has a complete rooster. Congratulations. You have a shot. But I still think Canada is the strongest team.

Toruko
06-21-2021, 04:14 PM
So Turkey has a complete rooster. Congratulations. You have a shot. But I still think Canada is the strongest team.

Well, there is no need to rush things. We have still a very young team. Beating Czech Republic and Greece are the first two steps then we will see about Canada.

fasoulaki
06-21-2021, 04:33 PM
So do I understand correctly that the first game of the tournament is Canada against Greece which starts from Central European Time perspective in the night from Tuesday the 29th to Wednesday the 30rd? I am wondering about the time. The FIBA sites says 01:05 while I am calculating 00:05 start time Wednesday "morning".

Victorious
06-21-2021, 04:45 PM
Well, there is no need to rush things. We have still a very young team. Beating Czech Republic and Greece are the first two steps then we will see about Canada.

Considering the absentees of Greece, loosing against either the Czech Republic or Greece is failure for this Turkish squad. I mean, I see no way around it.

Toruko
06-21-2021, 04:49 PM
Considering the absentees of Greece, loosing against either the Czech Republic or Greece is failure for this Turkish squad. I mean, I see no way around it.

Thats correct. It still doesnt make sense to think about the final game. You cant win games without playing them. There are too many variables in basketball games like daily performance, chemistry, prep time etc. We will see about it in just a week.

madmax
06-21-2021, 05:04 PM
Canada should still steamroll everybody, playing at home and whatnot, with that perimeter talent laden roster of theirs imo

mojo13
06-21-2021, 05:51 PM
Canada should still steamroll everybody, playing at home and whatnot, with that perimeter talent laden roster of theirs imo

Home court advantage is mostly gone with no fans.

Zero friendlies, very little prep time, little chemistry. I'm expecting the potential for steamrolls - but this team is excruciatingly vulnerable to a slowed down, rough defensive game. Reminds me of the 2015 team that thrashed Venezuela in pool play and then got clutched, grabbed and slowed to a crawl in the semis. That was a much younger team though....

ChuckDiesel2
06-22-2021, 05:35 PM
No one is talking about the Turks but they have a very real opportunity to upset the Canadians on their home floor. Might not even be considered an upset.

mojo13
06-22-2021, 09:06 PM
No one is talking about the Turks but they have a very real opportunity to upset the Canadians on their home floor. Might not even be considered an upset.

Everyone is talking about the Turks....where've you been? Perhaps its on other pages/threads?
Canada will have more talent, but the Turks will easily have us outclassed on experience/chemistry etc. It will make for an interesting match-up. I'm not sure who is even favored betting odds-wide but IMO it could either way.

fasoulaki
06-23-2021, 09:47 AM
The history of team USA has shown that collecting a bunch of "average" NBA players without preperation and adaption to FIBA rules is not a succesfull strategy. Such a team will struggle against a well-prepared high-class FIBA team. The question is if Turkey can be considered high-class this year and if Canadian players are above average and can compensate tactical deficits and lack of preperation with their individual talent. Next week will show. I am eager to watch the games.

Toruko
06-23-2021, 10:16 AM
I know where I can watch Turkeys games but I have no idea where to watch the other games. I am on vacation just for these games.

Toruko
06-23-2021, 01:58 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4kQhm8XwAEGdiz?format=jpg&name=large

This is the announced team Turkey btw. Just Mert Akay is missing because of his injury but except him its the full roster.

janketa
06-23-2021, 03:00 PM
Going to 12 Melih and Kabaca should be overnumbered, bit Turkey is country of wonders and Melih will always be in every roster until retirement.

That's why our football team was by far the worst in EC, mediocres always find path to the team

mojo13
06-23-2021, 03:19 PM
I know where I can watch Turkeys games but I have no idea where to watch the other games. I am on vacation just for these games.

I don’t know if this helps you but ESPN+ will carry all games (all torunments) via streaming (live and on demand). It’s about 5 dollars US per month. And I assume can be accessed around the world but perhaps you’d need the help of a VPN if there are country restrictions.

If I was traveling that how I’d access it (via a tunneling VPN like Tunnel Bear or something).

You Euros may have better options. But the ESPN stream has been very good to me in the past.

Victorious
06-23-2021, 03:35 PM
I know where I can watch Turkeys games but I have no idea where to watch the other games. I am on vacation just for these games.

Try livebasketball.tv

Subscribe for a month. It's FIBA's channel

Toruko
06-23-2021, 03:49 PM
Thank you guys. I will try out Victorious version and if this doesnt work mojos. I am really ready to pay anything just for these games. So excited hahahaha :D

mojo13
06-23-2021, 04:39 PM
Thank you guys. I will try out Victorious version and if this doesnt work mojos. I am really ready to pay anything just for these games. So excited hahahaha :D

I've used Livebasketball.tv in the past as well (but it has been a few years). Note that I ran into country restrictions as well (it depends on who has broadcast rights in whatever country you are in). It also can easily be solved with a VPN that tunnels into another country. Singapore usually worked for me :)

Hepcat
06-23-2021, 04:57 PM
Canada should still steamroll everybody, playing at home and whatnot, with that perimeter talent laden roster of theirs imo

The trouble is that your "should" word is based on individual talent. Unfortunately I see the same problem unfolding for the Canadian team that's plagued it just about every year in the past, i.e. training camp is delayed because star players are slow to commit to the national team. Meanwhile the other teams have already assembled and are even playing friendly games against each other.

Worse yet the players on these other teams, e.g. Greece, are already more familiar with each other. "Know him? Of course I do! We were teammates at Panathinaikos/Olympiakos for a couple of years and we've been getting together every summer now at the national team camp for the last three years." So Team Canada actually needs more time to come together as a team, but gets less.

:(

Hepcat
06-23-2021, 05:01 PM
Canada should still steamroll everybody, playing at home and whatnot, with that perimeter talent laden roster of theirs imo

The trouble is that your "should" word is based on individual talent. Unfortunately I see the same problem unfolding for the Canadian team that's plagued it just about every year in the past, i.e. training camp is delayed because star players are slow to commit to the national team. Meanwhile the other teams have already assembled and are even playing friendly games against each other.

Worse yet the players on these other teams, e.g. Greece, are already more familiar with each other. "Know him? Of course I do! We were teammates at Panathinaikos/Olympiakos for a couple of years and we've been getting together every summer now at the national team camp for the last three years."

Meanwhile the players on Team Canada are brought together from a far wider scatter and actually need more time to come together as a team - but get less.

:(

Toruko
06-23-2021, 05:34 PM
Try live.basketball.tv

Subscribe for a month. It's FIBA's channel

OK, great I did for 8 Euros, this is really nothing. Thank you again.

Shawshank
06-23-2021, 06:39 PM
Rumours are comming from Turkey that their NT lost their american because of injury.

If rumours ends up correct Turkey federation still will have 5 days to find another pg american,make pasport overnight ,bring new bag of money and they will be fine :)

mojo13
06-23-2021, 06:47 PM
Rumours are comming from Turkey that their NT lost their american because of injury.

If rumours ends up correct Turkey federation still will have 5 days to find another pg american,make pasport overnight ,bring new bag of money and they will be fine :)

Lol...

A healthy Larkin will be a big loss for Turkey. Tuncer should have fun facing down a Cory Joseph that doesn't need to worry too much about scoring and imagine if Lu "The Beast" Dort gets a chance at him, how ever I think he'll be assigned to Cedi.

mojo13
06-23-2021, 06:49 PM
Rumours are comming from Turkey that their NT lost their american because of injury.

If rumours ends up correct Turkey federation still will have 5 days to find another pg american,make pasport overnight ,bring new bag of money and they will be fine :)

Lol...

A healthy Larkin will be a big loss for Turkey. Tuncer should have fun facing down a Cory Joseph that doesn't need to worry too much about scoring and imagine if Lu "The Beast" Dort gets a chance at him, how ever I think he'll be assigned to Cedi.

Toruko
06-23-2021, 06:55 PM
Although I am against it there is another option. Scottie Wilbekin could be available but not a good idea at all. Otherwise we do it with Ugurlu, Hazer and Tuncer. Might be weak but other parts are still strong.

okanial
06-23-2021, 08:06 PM
At this point I wouldn't start Buğrahan. If we have to have a real point guard I would go with someone with a lower turnover rate I don't know the other two enough to make a comment. Something like Sehmus-Melih-Cedi-Ersan-Alperen seems to be our best starting 5 at the moment. Sehmus and Cedi can control the ball enough and Alperen has enough instincts to make plays in the paint. Melih+Ersan is good enough spacing, Melih can always be replaced by Furkan but I'd rather Furkan and Buğrahan to come from bench and go wild against second units. Furkan would of course close the games. At this point our strong spot is our bigs. 3 out of 4 can shot well, they are all at least above average defenders and two of them can play with the ball. Larkin is a huge loss but for me the ticket is still between us and Canada

Toruko
06-23-2021, 08:18 PM
All you guys talk as if Turkey is already in the final game against Canada. Canadians never cared for NT and beating Czechs wont be easy either. Even if we are in the final with Canada its a bunch of guys who never played together and in 40 minutes everything can happen and if we cant make it we dont deserve it anyway.

mojo13
06-23-2021, 10:01 PM
All you guys talk as if Turkey is already in the final game against Canada. Canadians never cared for NT and beating Czechs wont be easy either. Even if we are in the final with Canada its a bunch of guys who never played together and in 40 minutes everything can happen and if we cant make it we dont deserve it anyway.

Toruko - Of course anything can happen in a single game. But there is still some FIBA competency within the Canadian system.
Going back to the 2016 Manila Olympic Qualifier when last out two nations met...Canada seemed to handle themselves fairly well vs the Turks.
http://www.fiba.basketball/oqt/philippines/2016/0507/Turkey-Canada#|tab=boxscore

I'm sure you will say that was a much lesser version than today's Turkish team, but that is easily the same to be said for the Canadian team. That Canadian team really had two bonafide NBA rotational players in Cory Joseph and Tristan Thompson and a couple borderline players in Tyler Ennis, Anthony Bennett (Khem Birch was still BSL)
Here we are able to come with 8 legit NBA players - a couple 20 ppg scorers (Wiggins/Barrett), with a a few very dynamic young players on the rise (Dort, NAW), a few veteran rotational players (Cory Joseph, Dwight Powell, Trey Lyles) and some pretty good non NBA players in Ejim and Nicholson (4 years in the NBA). Anthony Bennett is in camp and may not make this team - where he started in 2016. He is far better player today (trust me on that).

Not to mention a renown NBA championship level coach who is known for pulling teams together quickly and getting the best out of players.


Canada and Turkey could both easily trip up and fail to even make the finals but you must agree they are the favorites?

Victorious
06-23-2021, 10:05 PM
Without Larkin, the Czechs may actually beat Turkey. They may end up playing against Canada in the final. Larking was the key player for Turkey. Also Uruguay can be a problem. These small tournaments are tricky.

Toruko
06-23-2021, 10:23 PM
Canada and Turkey could both easily trip up and fail to even make the finals but you must agree they are the favorites?
Yes, without a doubt. Traditionally, team Turkey is always underestimated in such tournaments because of the past performances. Very fragile mentality without a doubt. Example given they technically defeated the US team 2019 couldnt grab the win and made 0/4 free throws and lost the game against the Czechs.

This team was way weaker than this current team. Wilbekin was back then on the roster but also injured. Now the situation is very different. Actually, even I cant imagine the outcome. We played with a burned out Semih Erden who has no will to play anymore and a worse Sertac Sanli.

Now not only Furk And Cedi are more developed we got also 2-3 gems more. This is surely the deepest roster Turkey had in the last 10 years.

For me this is not a target tournament but Eurobasket 22 will be. The goal is not to win it but to be among the top 4. If they make it, great and if they fail against Canada no problem, Canada deserves it anyway. I just want to see a competitive team with well functioning basketball and a boosting Alperen Sengün.

Toruko
06-23-2021, 10:30 PM
Not to mention a renown NBA championship level coach who is known for pulling teams together quickly and getting the best out of players.


My concerns on the Canadian team refers not to the quality of the players but the quality of the team. Having a bunch of good players doesnt make you a good team especially when you have guys like Wiggins talented as hell but hating playing basketball.

mojo13
06-23-2021, 10:56 PM
My concerns on the Canadian team refers not to the quality of the players but the quality of the team. Having a bunch of good players doesnt make you a good team especially when you have guys like Wiggins talented as hell but hating playing basketball.

My concerns too and why I'm trying to temper expectations.

And that might be a dated view of Wiggins. He was actually a very good, fairly efficient (48%FG, 38%3PT) two-way player this year.

Toruko
06-23-2021, 11:26 PM
Jan Vesely drove with his car from Istanbul to Czech Republic and said this about the situation:


Jan Vesely on the upcoming OQT in Canada: "The favorites of the tournament will be Turkey and Canada, but we can surprise. At the World Cup we were able to take the favorite Turks down. We have a big chance."
(Source: @Basketmagcz
) #FIBAOQT

Oh, this guy will be a pain in the butt. I still prefer the best teams possible. More important than winning is to watch good basketball. :D

Vesely and Balvin can match the Turkish big rotation better than any big rotation in the tournament and Satoransky is the play maker who can exploit the Turkish weakness with his 6'7.

Watched some Uruguay games. These guys are not a big problem. We must enter the tournament with a good feeling with a convincing victory.

Straight forward
06-24-2021, 11:52 AM
On the bright side, Turkey will actually have their national team. If they win, this will be legit win of Turkish basketball.

Victorious
06-24-2021, 05:53 PM
Did Illyasova and Korkmaz fly to Turkey for a couple of days? It would make sense to stay in North America, have some resting days, and then join the team in Canada.

Toruko
06-24-2021, 05:54 PM
Did Illyasova and Korkmaz fly to Turkey for a couple of days? It would make sense to stay in North America, have some resting days, and then join the team in Canada.

They join the team in Canada.

Levenspiel
06-25-2021, 10:44 AM
On the bright side, Turkey will actually have their national team. If they win, this will be legit win of Turkish basketball.
yeah but no one actually cares about that. besides we still have the Uzbek bro with us.

looking at other teams, our current talent level and their tournament history, remembering how Czechs toyed with us in the world cup, and Ene at the helm, I'm surprised at the optimism. I hope there really is something to be excited there. I don't want to be the new maccabeo but I don't see it.

Toruko
06-25-2021, 10:52 AM
yeah but no one actually cares about that. besides we still have the Uzbek bro with us.

looking at other teams, our current talent level and their tournament history, remembering how Czechs toyed with us in the world cup, and Ene at the helm, I'm surprised at the optimism. I hope there really is something to be excited there. I don't want to be the new maccabeo but I don't see it.

In order to see you need to follow then you need to understand then hopefully, one day, you will be able to see.

Levenspiel
06-25-2021, 01:51 PM
In order to see you need to follow then you need to understand then hopefully, one day, you will be able to see.
fair enough. in a few words, what makes this team any different (than all the previous failures)?

Toruko
06-25-2021, 02:11 PM
fair enough. in a few words, what makes this team any different (than all the previous failures)?

Much deeper roster, much more talent, better play making out of the post, more matured Cedi and Furkan, better rim protection, player with the correct attitude.

But this isnt a guarantee not to fail. They still can fail but we are talking about the probabilities.

When you watch again the Czech game 2019 you will hopefully realize that the team came out of an OT game against the USA, they had lost a won game and Semih Erden was simply killed by Balvin in the pick and roll action. Dumb ass Sarica wasnt able to adjust.

Toruko
06-25-2021, 04:52 PM
Ok, roughly 3 days before the tournament in Canada starts I want to write a bit about the European teams:

Czech Republic: big three of the team are Tomas Satoransky, Jan Vesely and Ondrej Balvin. Rest of the team consists of the FIBA CL team Nymburg, mostly. The dangerous side of the Czechs they have really a great chemistry and play a very good team basketball. They play really great help defense and nearly all player on the floor are able to make open shots

The offensive philosophy is to find the easiest shot. Jaromir Bohacik is the sharpshooter of the team but also forwards like Patrick Auda and Hruban are able to make shots at high percentage. They are both very athletic forwards with high energy who also help the team in rebounding.

The most important point will be to defend them in 1 vs 1. if you are capable of doing it there are not many guys who can take you down in iso plays. The moment you going to help they will find the open man for the free shot. Especially with Vesely they will have someone with superb play making abilities.

Their bench is fairly weak though and the capacity of most of the players to score individually is very low too.

ChuckDiesel2
06-25-2021, 05:39 PM
Ok, roughly 3 days before the tournament in Canada starts I want to write a bit about the European teams:

Czech Republic: big three of the team are Tomas Satoransky, Jan Vesely and Ondrej Balvin. Rest of the team consists of the FIBA CL team Nymburg, mostly. The dangerous side of the Czechs they have really a great chemistry and play a very good team basketball. They play really great help defense and nearly all player on the floor are able to make open shots

The offensive philosophy is to find the easiest shot. Jaromir Bohacik is the sharpshooter of the team but also forwards like Patrick Auda and Hruban are able to make shots at high percentage. They are both very athletic forwards with high energy who also help the team in rebounding.

The most important point will be to defend them in 1 vs 1. if you are capable of doing it there are not many guys who can take you down in iso plays. The moment you going to help they will find the open man for the free shot. Especially with Vesely they will have someone with superb play making abilities.

Their bench is fairly weak though and the capacity of most of the players to score individually is very low too.

Good stuff. Keep it coming!

ncjazz
06-25-2021, 06:34 PM
Ok, roughly 3 days before the tournament in Canada starts I want to write a bit about the European teams:

Czech Republic: big three of the team are Tomas Satoransky, Jan Vesely and Ondrej Balvin. Rest of the team consists of the FIBA CL team Nymburg, mostly. The dangerous side of the Czechs they have really a great chemistry and play a very good team basketball. They play really great help defense and nearly all player on the floor are able to make open shots

The offensive philosophy is to find the easiest shot. Jaromir Bohacik is the sharpshooter of the team but also forwards like Patrick Auda and Hruban are able to make shots at high percentage. They are both very athletic forwards with high energy who also help the team in rebounding.

The most important point will be to defend them in 1 vs 1. if you are capable of doing it there are not many guys who can take you down in iso plays. The moment you going to help they will find the open man for the free shot. Especially with Vesely they will have someone with superb play making abilities.

Their bench is fairly weak though and the capacity of most of the players to score individually is very low too.

Any key absences?

Toruko
06-25-2021, 06:58 PM
Any key absences?

They are in Canada with their full strength.

Toruko
06-25-2021, 07:22 PM
Lets break down Greece now.

First of all Greece has lost almost its entire starting five and more: Papapetrou, Papanikolaou, Printezis, Spanoulis are out because of injuries, Thanasis and Giannis are still in their playoff run.

Despite of these absences Greek basketball lives of its defensive philosophy and good half court game due to good guards. This time it wont be different. It probably wont be enough to make it to the Olympics but nevertheless Greeks still can give you a hard time.

Even though my friend Victorious claims that there are no problems with the big rotation it will be their weakest spot. They have a 218 fairly nimble giant Papagiannis who works most of his time in the offense as a lob target or a put back dunker, defense and rebounding is underdeveloped though. The second man is Kostas Antetokounmpo a pretty raw athlete who can give you rim protection to a certain extend and points as a rolling big. On the negative side he is a pretty big foul and TO prone.

Shooting and athleticism are problems of team Greece that need to be mentioned but you really never know with them. If they grab the momentum they reach a level of defense that can be really a huge problem for every team. Its a classic tournament team with a low ceiling.

Victorious
06-25-2021, 08:03 PM
Even though my friend Victorious claims that there are no problems with the big rotation it will be their weakest spot. They have a 218 fairly nimble giant Papagiannis who works most of his time in the offense as a lob target or a put back dunker, defense and rebounding is underdeveloped though. The second man is Kostas Antetokounmpo a pretty raw athlete who can give you rim protection to a certain extend and points as a rolling big. On the negative side he is a pretty big foul and TO prone.
.

Never said they weren't a big problem. I said that it was decent given that the bigs were Greece's biggest problem during last decade. And also, these two young guys can only get better. If Greece would have participated with its full squad, the other players would definitely cover for their weaknesses.

I would love for a miracle to happen and see a complete Greek squad during the Olympics under Pitino.

reamily
06-25-2021, 08:46 PM
The most interesting field in this OQT..

Toruko
06-25-2021, 09:53 PM
TBH I neither can tell about China nor Uruguay nor Canada but I will try to inform you bit about team Turkey and what was going on...

I have watched both games of Turkey against Russia and I also watched the Supercup games of Czechs as well as Greece games against PR and Mexico. All three mentioned teams played terribly so that we can expect a low quality tournament.

After the injury of Larkin (pretty serious) and it was said he was very disappointed and in a bad mood the creation will be in the hands of Osman, Korkmaz, Tuncer and Ugurlu. Especially Osman is a big mess in creation with the ball and he looked really bad against Russia. He will need 2-3 games like 2019.

The biggest problem is the defense of the starting five. Especially Tuncer is very worrysome on the defensive end but he is also the only one who can command the whole team. A very solid passer if you let him be :D and a very capable pick and roll initiator. He can also be a TO prone if you put him under pressure though.

Still there are many guys who can create their own shot which will be needed so considering the talent level Turkish NT shouldnt choke too much. When the shots fall and there is space to play in the low post there are three good bigs with good rolling routine, smooth touch and shooting.

The Greek team doesnt look at the level of the other 3 contenders. Czechs couldnt train with Vesely and Satoransky, as well as Turkey with Korkmaz and Ilyasova. i dont know what to expect but I have hope. Of course Canada with the talent level they have are the favorites but a disadvantage will be that they never played together. With SGA or Murray I would rate our chances to 10% but under these circumstances I would rate it 35% to 65% or even 40% 60%

janketa
06-26-2021, 03:01 PM
It's such hard to say for some guys that Sanli is the main power in Turkish roster(after Larkin's injury). Talking about 3 good bigs is basketball ignorance and stupidity.

There is only one Turkish big who proved his knowledge and has result(titles), that is Sanli. 7th best player in F4 and 3rd best player in EL champion team. What Yurtseven and Sengun did until now? What they won?

Such amount of nonsences in this forum

Victorious
06-26-2021, 03:47 PM
Spanoulis retired from basketball today.

ChuckDiesel2
06-26-2021, 05:50 PM
I think some will be very pleasantly suprised by Yurtseven if he gets an opportunity. From what I saw of him in the G-League bubble he strikes me as a guy who could make a ton of money in Europe for the next decade.

janketa
06-26-2021, 06:56 PM
Spanoulis retired from basketball today.

Great player and great character. One page of basketball history is closed

okanial
06-27-2021, 12:21 PM
It's such hard to say for some guys that Sanli is the main power in Turkish roster(after Larkin's injury). Talking about 3 good bigs is basketball ignorance and stupidity.

There is only one Turkish big who proved his knowledge and has result(titles), that is Sanli. 7th best player in F4 and 3rd best player in EL champion team. What Yurtseven and Sengun did until now? What they won?

Such amount of nonsences in this forum

I think he didn't include Ersan in that 3 great bigs and he only counted the Centers. I doubt anyone would argue over Sertaç being an important part of the team since he is our best shooting center. Well, Sertaç won the EL but Alperen won MVP in 18. Alperen is over in the rankings then Sertaç which makes sense. Sertaç is currently above Ömer.

If you think Sertaç is more important for this team than any of our 3 NBA guys or Alperen you are the delusional one

janketa
06-27-2021, 01:28 PM
I think he didn't include Ersan in that 3 great bigs and he only counted the Centers. I doubt anyone would argue over Sertaç being an important part of the team since he is our best shooting center. Well, Sertaç won the EL but Alperen won MVP in 18. Alperen is over in the rankings then Sertaç which makes sense. Sertaç is currently above Ömer.

If you think Sertaç is more important for this team than any of our 3 NBA guys or Alperen you are the delusional one

This was my discution with Toruko who bashed Sanli all season. But if you wish continue that fight it's ok. If I am delusional then what to say about you? where you were two seasons when your team fought for the title? Now you are back to give me lessons. You are a little bit late dude.

Yes , Sanli is our main player, it's my opinion, so what? Is that make me delusional or you? Do you have maybe problem with my opinion about Sanli?

Comparing EL and BSL, are you drunk or what? What is Alperen's ranking in EL? ZERO!!! What Ersan? We are talking about centers here and he isn't center.

okanial
06-27-2021, 01:40 PM
This was my discution with Toruko who bashed Sanli all season. But if you wish continue that fight it's ok. If I am delusional then what to say about you? where you were two seasons when your team fought for the title? Now you are back to give me lessons. You are a little bit late dude.

Yes , Sanli is our main player, it's my opinion, so what? Is that make me delusional or you? Do you have maybe problem with my opinion about Sanli?

Comparing EL and U18, are you drunk or what? What Ersan? We are talking about centers here and he isn't center.

Pretty sure you are drunk.

U18? Alperen is the Turkish League MVP, same league Sertaç plays the same position. He got that achievement when he is 18. Learn how to read.

I really like Sertaç and he improved so much and I am really happy to see the development. But he is not even the best player in his position for the team. He was a great player this season but most of it comes due to how great Efes guards were. National team do not have the same level of guards, especially after losing Larkin. Do we expect Sertaç to create his own shots? Alperen can handle the ball himself, play 1v1, you can just give the ball to him and he can bully his way to the paint. Same is not true for Sertaç. He needs someone to make plays for him. They are different kind of players and Alperen is a much better fit to what our team have right now so in my opinion Alperen is our main player (Well, along with Cedi). He is not only the better player overall but also a better fit

janketa
06-27-2021, 01:49 PM
Pretty sure you are drunk.

U18? Alperen is the Turkish League MVP, same league Sertaç plays the same position. He got that achievement when he is 18. Learn how to read.

I really like Sertaç and he improved so much and I am really happy to see the development. But he is not even the best player in his position for the team. He was a great player this season but most of it comes due to how great Efes guards were. National team do not have the same level of guards, especially after losing Larkin. Do we expect Sertaç to create his own shots? Alperen can handle the ball himself, play 1v1, you can just give the ball to him and he can bully his way to the paint. Same is not true for Sertaç. He needs someone to make plays for him. They are different kind of players and Alperen is a much better fit to what our team have right now so in my opinion Alperen is our main player (Well, along with Cedi). He is not only the better player overall but also a better fit

As you see I edited post because you wasn't clear(probably drunk) what means 18. Is it U18 tournament or this season BSL ranking.

I have big problem with guys like you. I didn't even read what you wrote about Sanli in last post, I don't care at all. That is your opinion and you can say that he is the worst player in the world if you wish.

As long as you stick to the players we can discuss.

Sanli's ranking in F4: 15.5(7th overall)
Alperen ranking: 0.00

Undersized midget with bad shooting you are comparing with the best center in EL(at least in F4)

okanial
06-27-2021, 02:04 PM
As you see I edited post because you wasn't clear(probably drunk) what means 18. Is it U18 tournament or this season BSL ranking.

I have big problem with guys like you. I didn't even read what you wrote about Sanli in last post, I don't care at all. That is your opinion and you can say that he is the worst player in the world if you wish.

As long as you stick to the players we can discuss.

Sanli's ranking in F4: 15.5(7th overall)
Alperen ranking: 0.00

Undersized midget with bad shooting you are comparing with the best center in EL(at least in F4)

If you read you would see that I told I like him.

I'm not gonna engage anymore with a guy who don't understand the difference between team success and individual success.

Good job troll, you wasted several minutes of my day.

janketa
06-27-2021, 02:13 PM
If you read you would see that I told I like him.

I'm not gonna engage anymore with a guy who don't understand the difference between team success and individual success.

Good job troll, you wasted several minutes of my day.

Regarding you are probably some leisured nerd, I am sure some minutes of not doing anything won't be big problem in your life

You are the only Efes's fun without brain and home education

Buckalis
06-27-2021, 03:38 PM
Spanoulis retired from basketball today.

Actually he has retired from the National team five years ago and was only playing with Olympiacos in the Euroleague. In any case, promotion for Greece will be extremely difficult to achieve without Giannis who is on track with the Bucks to win his 1st NBA title... (fingers crossed).

Petran
06-27-2021, 07:13 PM
Never said they weren't a big problem. I said that it was decent given that the bigs were Greece's biggest problem during last decade. And also, these two young guys can only get better. If Greece would have participated with its full squad, the other players would definitely cover for their weaknesses.

I would love for a miracle to happen and see a complete Greek squad during the Olympics under Pitino.

I actually cant reach any safe conclusions. Acropolis was not an indication, even if we lost against a weakened Serbia, we were playing without Calathes and Papagiannis. I tend to believe that the weakest spot is our small forwards, as Giannopoulos is a spot shooter but other than that a limited player, while Kaselakis is a max effort player but an EL bencher. In the center Spot, Papagiannis is very good while Kostas A can provide some help. The issue is that all these guys are not hardened for lose/die matches, while certainly they cant carry the team. Actually, the go to guys will be Calathes and Sloukas, and then Mitoglou I dont see any lack of athleticism, backup guards like Larentzakis and Katsivelis are very athletic, and Kostas A can provide rim protection. We are absolutely not a favorite, but I dont see us as a lost cause as well. We were simply very unlucky this year with the injuries and KD's shoe length.:p

mojo13
06-27-2021, 10:31 PM
Since Toruko provided a preview on Czech, Turkey and Greece I feel obligate to provide one on Canada.

Word is out that final 14 are as follows:


Cory Joseph , PG (NBA)
Nickeil Alexander Walker, PG/SG (NBA)
Trey Bell Haynes, PG (BBL)
Andrew Nembhard, PG (Gonzaga NCAA)
Mychal Mulder, SG (NBA)
Lu Dort, SG, SF (NBA)
RJ Barrett SG, SF (NBA)
Andrew Wiggins, SG,SF (NBA)
Aaron Doonrekamp, SF,PF (ACB)
Anthony Bennett, PF (Puerto Rico)
Andrew Nicholson PF, C (CBL)
Trey Lyles PF/C (NBA)
Dwight Powell PF/C (NBA)
Zach Edey, C (Perdue, NCAA)

I think the two alternates come from Nembhard, Bell-Haynes, Edey, Bennett or Doornekmap

So this is not as deep and overwhelming as we hoped for a couple months ago, but still some serious NBA players, especially along the wings and to a lesser extent the guards.

It is always a bit of a mystery to flesh out the play style when it is a new team and there have been no friendlies to watch. Nick Nurse tends to play with shorter rotations so I expect the bulk of the minutes to come from the following:

CoJo
Barrett
Wiggins
Lyles
Powell
NAW
Dort
Nicholson
Mulder

Nurse also likes multi-position versatile players, three guard sets and small ball line ups so I think we will see plenty of variations to traditional line ups. For example, if it doesn't kill us defensively I expect Andrew Wiggins to be playing the 4 for stretches and perhaps the same with Lugentz Dort. Nickeil Alexander Walker can see minutes at the 1, 2 and 3. And even Barrett at the 1, 2, and 3. Nurse is known for also liking two PGs out there as well so although CoJo will see the bulk of the minutes at PG, I expect NAW will be out there with him as well for stretches (Nurse ran Pangos and CoJo together for most of the 2019 World Cup). My point is it won't just be CoJo initiating offense and then who ever spells him off - it will come from CoJo, NAW, Barrett and even Wiggins at times.
Supposedly during camp Nurse was running Wiggins and Barrett allot together in mirrored wing roles. It should be no surprise I'd expect those two to be the two leading scorers - both near 20 PPG scorers in the NBA. Because of the depth at wing and guard I expect fairly aggressive defensive effort. Lu Dort (believed to be an All NBA Defensive player in the making) should be tasked to contain top opposing guards and wings. Cory Joseph is also known as an excellent defender who may be able to step up the effort here since he will not be relied on too much offensively. NAW, all though quite young, is another tall, long and rangy guard that can cause trouble defensively. And for those who paid attention this year, they know Andrew Wiggins was a very above average NBA defender as well.

I'm not as excited about the the outside shooting due to who is missing, but this season Barrett, Wiggins, Mulder were all above average 3pt shooters (near 40%) and Dort, CoJo and NAW were all around average (~35%) so no real bad guard/wing shooters to deal with.

I think the obvious weakness comes from the front line defensively and even offensively to a degree. It is very undersized to my liking when I see the front lines of Turkey Greece and Czech. But perhaps it can compensate with speed, athleticism and maybe even some shooting.

Dwight Powell is likely the starting C but is only 6-10, 240? He is non-shooting but a very quick, athletic player. He is one of the most effecient rim-running bigs in the NBA an excellent screen setter and a very, very good PnR finisher (near elite level in the NBA). He can't shooter from deep and isnt a good post defender - but I think we can live with it. But man, a Khem Birch or Kelly Olynyk is sorely missed here.

Not sure if Lyles or Nicholson starts at PF. Nicholson at least has excellent offensive firepower at the 4. He is an excellent three point shooter on high volume (40%+ in China at least). He also has an excellent post game, but he is a terrible passer (black hole, ball stopper) and although a little slow footed defensively he is an ok rebounder. Trey Lyles I really have no idea what will show up. He hasn't really played with the Spurs this season, but started for them the previous season. With minutes he is a mediocre NBA player at best with spurts of decent play. He is decent three point shooter (~35%) and decent inside scorer and rebounder. Nothing special here - I'm just hoping he can contribute at a decent level and help plug the holes up front. I think I'd prefer Lyles starting and have Nicholson as a offensive pop off the bench as I'd be worried Nicholson slowing down the ball movement with the starters.

For all I know Lyles could be the best big in this tournament - Who are the mediocre NBA caliber bigs in Victoria? Powell, Lyles & Ilyasova?

I'll mention Anthony Bennett more as a novelty and due to his history as the number one pick. He is not the joke some might expect and is actually a passable FIBA player. He has been the best player on some of our lesser teams (ex. FIBA Americup Qualifiers). He has become a pretty good three point shooter and still has the size and super long arms to score inside. He hasn't been playing professionally lately, but has historically come to Canada's camps in good shape. I don't expect much of a role for him here, but don't be surprised if he comes in and knocks down some quick threes.

Also note that 19 year old, 7'4, 290 pound Zach Edey made the final 14 showing you were our concerns are.


Overall - we are clearly a team that need to get out and run, run, run.... the transition game will be our friend. A slow bogged down game will be our enemy. We don't have the time together or FIBA experience to defend well through the entire shot clock (we will break down defensively late in the clock), nor will we show a very sophisticated half court offense. We will be relying on the athletics and talent superiority of guys like Wiggins, Barrett, NAW and Dort, CoJo as much as anything.
We need to pressure defensively, (hopefully full court at times) and hopefully force allot of turnovers. Rebounding will very key and I'm not certain our front line is up for the task (hopefully they can at least keep it close). If we need our wings to hold back and help rebound (Barrett, Wiggins, Dort, NAW are all very good rebounders) it will hold back our transition game.

As others of said, the talent is here with Team Canada but the very short prep time, no friendlys and little experience playing FIBA has me quite concerned.

DenverJokic
06-28-2021, 03:34 AM
Was surprised to see Owen Klassen didn’t make the final roster. He has a lot of FIBA experience and seems like he would be a solid role player at the center position, which I think is needed when you have so many talented guards. Looks like Nick Nurse went with versatility and athleticism in the front court. Lyles, Nicholson and Bennett can play PF or C. I think Edey and Nembhard will be the alternates with how young they are.

mojo13
06-28-2021, 05:24 PM
A couple other preview from Canadian writers on Team Canada:

I liked this one by Raptors Republic.
https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2021/06/28/five-most-interesting-storylines-for-team-canada-olympic-qualifier/


Blake Murphy and Eric Koreen did an excellent one for the Athletic.
https://theathletic.com/2676756/2021/06/28/murphy-and-koreen-previewing-canadas-chances-of-qualifying-for-the-olympics-in-victoria/

Toruko
06-29-2021, 01:24 PM
OK, guys, thank you again. I can watch the games.

ncjazz
06-29-2021, 02:44 PM
They are in Canada with their full strength.

Thanks. Could swear there was at least one missing. However, he might have retired from the national team recently.

Oly_fan
06-29-2021, 08:48 PM
I actually cant reach any safe conclusions. Acropolis was not an indication, even if we lost against a weakened Serbia, we were playing without Calathes and Papagiannis. I tend to believe that the weakest spot is our small forwards, as Giannopoulos is a spot shooter but other than that a limited player, while Kaselakis is a max effort player but an EL bencher. In the center Spot, Papagiannis is very good while Kostas A can provide some help. The issue is that all these guys are not hardened for lose/die matches, while certainly they cant carry the team. Actually, the go to guys will be Calathes and Sloukas, and then Mitoglou I dont see any lack of athleticism, backup guards like Larentzakis and Katsivelis are very athletic, and Kostas A can provide rim protection. We are absolutely not a favorite, but I dont see us as a lost cause as well. We were simply very unlucky this year with the injuries and KD's shoe length.:p

Very athletic as in 'might attempt an in-game dunk'. :rolleyes:

This will be an odd tournament, national team basketball is always low quality, we have no bench whatsoever and only 4 'starters' but I don't think an upset is 100% off the table.

Calathes and Sloukas will be playing 35 minutes a game, which they probably can do well for a few games and that's a decent backcourt. Mitoglou and Papagiannis will need to play 35 minutes a game -which they might be able to do?- and that's a decent front court (not so sure for Papagiannis but Antetokounmpo and Kavvadas can see a few minutes too without huge problems). And then Larentzakis, Kaselakis and Giannopoulos (!) will try to fill in the last spot as necessay so we don't get disqualified.

But a rotation of 7-8 players and relying on average talent that has at least some chemistry might be enough? Fingers crossed.

Toruko
06-29-2021, 11:52 PM
I have been smiling for 30 minutes now. If this is Canadas defense it can forget the Olympic games. A bunch of chickens are better sorted than Canada. There is no pick and roll defense, no transition defense, no perimeter defense at all. If Kavvadas dominates Canadas paint what will happen with balvin, vesely, Sengün, Sanli or Yurt7?

If Greece doesnt manage a win here it will be a big loss.

JGX
06-29-2021, 11:55 PM
As usual, limited preparation --> defensive struggles.

OTOH this site has been playing great defense on people who would like to post.

mojo13
06-30-2021, 12:02 AM
I have been smiling for 30 minutes now. If this is Canadas defense it can forget the Olympic games. A bunch of chickens are better sorted than Canada. There is no pick and roll defense, no transition defense, no perimeter defense at all. If Kavvadas dominates Canadas paint what will happen with balvin, vesely, Sengün, Sanli or Yurt7?

If Greece doesnt manage a win here it will be a big loss.

Likely the worst we see of Canada the whole tournament and down by 4. Hot shooting by Greece mixed with poor perimeter defense - that should get better as the tournament moves on. This is their first half together....

Nervous....but not pulling out hair quite yet.

Shawshank
06-30-2021, 12:03 AM
Nurse is using 7 nba players + nr 1 nba draft 130kg bear Bennet :)

First impression about Canada very athletic,low iq team with zero team chemistry, mostly playing 1 vs 1.

Walkers and Wiggins offensively leading the way.

Do not bring high iq pg like Pangos to this high jumping and fast running Canada team can end up being crusial mistake in long run.


If game will close Sloukas and Calathes experience should win it for Greece.

If Canada wants to win this game they must get double digit lead .

Buckalis
06-30-2021, 12:06 AM
I have been smiling for 30 minutes now. If this is Canadas defense it can forget the Olympic games. A bunch of chickens are better sorted than Canada. There is no pick and roll defense, no transition defense, no perimeter defense at all. If Kavvadas dominates Canadas paint what will happen with balvin, vesely, Sengün, Sanli or Yurt7?

If Greece doesnt manage a win here it will be a big loss.

As I've told you many times before, you are obviously totally ignorant on basketball... It's not Canada having a problem... It's that they are playing with idiot Nick Nurse (Mr. nobody) being their coach... It has never being Nurse coaching Toronto in the NBA... It was always Scariollo who was doing the job there and Nurse taking the (fake) credit...
In any case the game against Greece doesn't matter as it will be China out and then the "Olympic ticket" will be decided between Canada, Greece, Turkey and Chech in the cross meetings which will end up with Canada getting the ticket to Tokyo after Nurse will call Scariollo on the phone and he will (again) explain to him what he is doing wrong...

Toruko
06-30-2021, 12:13 AM
Really funny to watch that Canada cant get the easiest rebounds. This is really a jump and run game without half court offense. Just dont give them transition points and everything is fine.

Buckalis
06-30-2021, 12:22 AM
Really funny to watch that Canada cant get the easiest rebounds. This is really a jump and run game without half court offense. Just dont give them transition points and everything is fine.

You can't understand what you have been already explained? They will get the ticket to Canada one way or the other... This is a practice game for both teams, but especially for Canada, it is "Nurse learning basketball" practice.

Toruko
06-30-2021, 12:25 AM
OK, Canadians made a better 1 vs. 1 defense in the third quarter. When it comes to who plays better transition offense Canadians are in advantage...

Victorious
06-30-2021, 12:39 AM
I have seen enough. The Greek starters were tired and the rotation players couldn't handle the intensity. The injuries are taking their toll. Although they played well. I take nothing away from them.

I think Greece has some chances in beating either Turkey or the Czech Republic. And there is a chance that Canada can loose against either of these teams. Overall I am satisfied with this first game.

Toruko
06-30-2021, 12:42 AM
A better defense of Canada in the second half made the Greeks choke. This is probably the biggest weakness of the Greek NT. Shot creation.

greenarcher
06-30-2021, 12:50 AM
Canada's strongest line up in the last decade barely beats Greece.

mojo13
06-30-2021, 12:55 AM
Canada's strongest line up in the last decade barely beats Greece.

First game ever by a bunch of guys who have never played together before and beat the #6 World Ranked Greece. Many players first FIBA games ever.

Fixed it for you.

JGX
06-30-2021, 12:56 AM
So Canada played pretty well offensively and Wiggins had a solid game, but I still have a hard time picturing "Andrew Wiggins hits some tough shots" as a desirable late-game strategy for a basketball team.

Powell played better in the second half, made a big difference IMO.

mojo13
06-30-2021, 12:58 AM
So Canada played pretty well offensively and Wiggins had a solid game, but I still have a hard time picturing "Andrew Wiggins hits some tough shots" as a desirable late-game strategy for a basketball team.

Just picture Canada FIBA Melo.

Victorious
06-30-2021, 01:01 AM
First game ever by a bunch of guys who have never played together before and beat the #6 World Ranked Greece. Many players first FIBA games ever.

Fixed it for you.

Congratulations for the victory!

Shawshank
06-30-2021, 01:13 AM
Those 7 nba players from Canada can really score around 90pts every game.

I liked Dorts and Powell defence.

Impressive individual tallent on Canada big 3 Wiggins,Walker,Barret . Those 3 can beat 1 vs 1 even good defence.

Canada made so manny mental mistakes in last 5minutes +12 game was in a bag and let Greece comeback.

Greece bench looks really weak and lots of new faces i have never seen playing for them.

Canada is favourite to qualife to Olympics.

But Greece/Turkey/Czech can steal one close game versus them in semifinal/final game if canadians gonna do so manny mental mistakes in 4 querter.

DenverJokic
06-30-2021, 01:56 AM
I think it was obvious that Canada had not played a game together til today. You can see the potential they have but they committed a lot of dumb mistakes. Nick Nurse should be worried about that pick n roll defense. I was hoping to see Canada press tonight like Argentina does, but I think they might be saving that for a later game.

okanial
06-30-2021, 02:51 AM
Great start from Cedi and actually all team so far. Not only they are hitting the shots but we are moving the ball quite good

okanial
06-30-2021, 03:03 AM
My hopes for Buğrahan gets lower everytime I watch him.

Bench is a problem so far, they are relying on Ersan too much.

Toruko
06-30-2021, 03:25 AM
Yeah we lost rhythm after the guys from the bench but we get the open shots and we distribute the ball very well but the defense must be tighter and harder. Uruguays team defense is really good. What freaks the hell out me is when Cedi tries to run with his head to the wall. We need a play maker who can play some defense. Mert Akay is so missed here.

Toruko
06-30-2021, 03:26 AM
And it was expected that Ilyasova will need some time to get in rhythm.

okanial
06-30-2021, 03:35 AM
Most of the problems with the second unit came because we forced Ersan so he can get that rhythm. Yurtseven has been great so far. I'd like to see him more with Sertaç actually. Ersan can be less pressured playing with the starters as well

Toruko
06-30-2021, 04:02 AM
The problem is making plays. We cant create without Tuncer but he is really brainless and cost us the momentum.

okanial
06-30-2021, 04:18 AM
Interesting to see Murat Kosova talking bad about coaches for the first time.

He is right tho, this is not a prep game but Ene is still experimenting with the players and they can't find rhtyhm because of it

okanial
06-30-2021, 04:32 AM
Of course we destroy Uruguay in the final minutes just to make it painful to watch earlier. It is a Turkish tradition to not have a blowout game at this point.

Ene should be better with the lineups against better teams. Cedi domination won't be enough against Czechs or Canada

Toruko
06-30-2021, 04:40 AM
The Furkan Korkmaz change saved our ass. With Özdemiroglu and Hazer we could rotate very well and Sengün also made a great game. The problem right now is Ilyasova is not in rhythm and Furk is tired.

The general problem is that we dont have tall guards who can defend well, thats why we try to combine non defenders Tuncer - Özdemiroglu or Mahmutoglu - Hazer. Uruguay was tough though.

JGX
06-30-2021, 04:54 AM
Closer than expected on paper but you have to remember that Batista and Wachsmann have a combined 97 years of pro basketball experience and that is tough to beat.

Americas teams played very well today considering the matchups.

Toruko
06-30-2021, 05:00 AM
Something that I wanted to be avoided happened. Cedi Osman was the saver and this never goes well for a long period of time.

okanial
06-30-2021, 05:16 AM
Something that I wanted to be avoided happened. Cedi Osman was the saver and this never goes well for a long period of time.

I was sure this was going to be a Cedi game. He excels when the competition is lower. I expect an Ersan game against Czechs. He should have the match up and hopefully be in better shape.

fasoulaki
06-30-2021, 05:42 AM
Pitino destroyed Greek defense. Playing fast helps the athletic team more than the nonathletic.

ncjazz
06-30-2021, 04:35 PM
And it was expected that Ilyasova will need some time to get in rhythm.

Was he injured towards the end of the season with Utah? I know he was not playing, but he was still practicing and shooting I hope. Admittedly, you need to play in real games to be in true bball form though.

Toruko
06-30-2021, 04:37 PM
Was he injured towards the end of the season with Utah? I know he was not playing, but he was still practicing and shooting I hope. Admittedly, you need to play in real games to be in true bball form though.

He wasnt injured, just hasnt played for a long time.

Victorious
06-30-2021, 04:45 PM
Pitino destroyed Greek defense. Playing fast helps the athletic team more than the nonathletic.

This style of play would make Greece with a deep/full rooster a medal candidate team. You can have good defensive play, but nowadays teams usually shoot their way out of it.

Toruko
06-30-2021, 04:54 PM
This style of play would make Greece with a deep/full rooster a medal candidate team. You can have good defensive play, but nowadays teams usually shoot their way out of it.

Even if this is true (I highly doubt it) it doesnt make still sense to run into a jump and run game under these conditions. Greece needed to slow down and played pesky defense as always. With a smarter game the chances for a win werent low.

mojo13
06-30-2021, 04:54 PM
Solid write up on the Canada / Greece game from a Canadian writer:
https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2021/06/30/canada-solves-greece-by-changing-their-defensive-scheme/

The shifting to switch defense in the 2nd half solved Canada's defensive issues and I expect we see that more going forward. Also meaning we will see more line ups with 4 guards/wings and Powell.
The question will be if Turkey or Czech (or Greece again) can take advantage of the mismatches in the post. That will likely come down to Andrew Wiggins and Lu Dort defending some giants. I believe in Dort. The Warriors seemed to believe in Wiggins this year - as highlighted by him tasked to guard Lebron in during their play-in game.

Hepcat
06-30-2021, 05:05 PM
Solid write up on the Canada / Greece game from a Canadian writer:

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2021/06/30/canada-solves-greece-by-changing-their-defensive-scheme/

A good start for Canada. But!!! I still see the problems that have proved fatal for Team Canada in previous tournaments, that being the lack of adequate preparation time as the team waits (and waits) for its NBA stars to commit to that year's effort. Where this lack of preparation becomes evident is not in the offence where the highly skilled players still have their scoring touch, but in team defence. Allowing an opponent to score 91 points in a FIBA game is not good. I would have been much more comfortable with a 67-61 victory. Canada will be in real trouble if it finds itself playing a really strong defensive team that frustrates its scorers.

Coach Nurse has however one more game to instill some concept of team defence among his charges.

I also doubt that Team Greece showed all their cards. If the two teams meet again, I'm sure the Greeks will pull some additional tricks out of their sleeves.

:confused:

Victorious
06-30-2021, 06:08 PM
Even if this is true (I highly doubt it) it doesnt make still sense to run into a jump and run game under these conditions. Greece needed to slow down and played pesky defense as always. With a smarter game the chances for a win werent low.

I don't know buddy. But just by having Giannis hands in the paint would limit Canada from scoring at least 15 points. Not to mention some other bodies we are missing. I don't want to be a drag and focus on the absentees however. I am proud of this team. This whole tournament is a win win for Greece. Kudos for Kavadas, Kaselakis, Katsivelis, Gianopoulos and Co. They are playing well.

As for the game. I didn't want Greece to win the game against Canada. If we beat them nothing would change for Greece. We could still be eliminated by Turkey or the Czechs. And if not, then we would still probably need to beat Canada again. Don't see many chances in beating Canada twice.

Toruko
06-30-2021, 06:33 PM
But just by having Giannis hands in the paint would limit Canada from scoring at least 15 points.

This is absolutely correct. My objection was not about beating this bunch of unorganized baller from Canada (I am sorry but calling them a team would insult the others) but your claim to be a medal candidate with a full roster. There is also no objection that Greece would be a solid transition team with Giannis Sloukas and Calathes. Even Papagiannis is a good lob target but Greeks are still Greeks. This is not your basketball identity.


As for the game. I didn't want Greece to win the game against Canada. If we beat them nothing would change for Greece.

I think you are too result oriented. It would have been a great victory for your young guys to start with a win. Even if they lose somewhere what will probably happen sooner or later. I dont expect Turkey to qualify either but a win is a win. This goes for Turks, Greeks and the others.

Petran
06-30-2021, 07:28 PM
Just saw the game. Actually what choked us was that Calathes was not 100%. Also Papagiannis cant post a guy 0.5 feet shorter, they were switching him and was beaten several times by relative midgets. Lets see what will happen in the next games. I am really curious to see if Pitino's approach with such a fast tempo, can yield results with Canada if we play again. In the not so distant past, Canada's players would be bleeding if they tried to play this way against us. I believe we will have bigger problems playing against CZ or TR with this approach and honestly, I doubt if Canada can beat CZ as an example. It is an open tourney..

PS In an Aegean Island Vspan and Zisis listen to "Wish you were here"...

Toruko
07-01-2021, 03:27 AM
Good offensive flow with so few days of preparation. I think the main change of 2019 is we have much better play making abilities mainly because of Alperen Sengüns court vision. He knows when to pass and when to play one on one. Furk is activated, shots are still falling and we dont have a big pressure on our play makers which is good.

The only thing is to use Yurtseven better who was good at rebounding in the first place and Ilyasova. Satos height hurt us the most so far but we got them in the paint.

Toruko
07-01-2021, 04:23 AM
OK, convincing win. We were too deep and we had the better player. I think Vesely hurt them very much in the first half and then when Sato was too tired the game was over. On the negative side there are Osmans shots (man he bricked them worse than Calathes) and we make too easy turnovers. Tuncer is still a ticking time bomb and he cant stay in front of anyone.

On the other hand we could use many of our bigs as effective as possible. Sanlis shots from outside, Sengün in the low post, Yurtseven did a very good job boxing out and rebounding, Ilyasova made some tough shots. Furk as we expected created some good shots for him as well.

Decision making is still a problem though and we need rim protection in the future. Next season adding Bona and Akay we will have better defense and play making as well as elite rim protection. The team is quite young but i am really happy.

okanial
07-01-2021, 05:07 AM
I didn't expect to win like this. Glad to see we don't have to make every game a thriller.

I don't understand why there is a negativity about Osman in the post above. He didn't play like he did against Uruguay but he definetely didn't play bad. He just took the backseat and let Furkan show his game. He went in strong, dished 6 assists and did the necessary things. He is taking some unnecessary 3 pointers but he can make those and he should take those as long as he over do it. 4 3pointers in a game is not much for him and I'd say he is still our best player as a complete package. I'd consider hating on him just for the sake of it any criticism in these 2 games.

Furkan came in strong, didn't force much and showed why he is a legit NBA threat now. Only problem with his game today was he don't create for the others much. But I would like to think he is trying to get a rhythm going so I'll give him a pass on this.

Alperen with 7-7-4 stat line with 2 steals and a block. Maybe the score wasn't there but his defensive energy was so important this game while bench was struggling. If his stock is not rising in drafts right now, I don't know what is wrong with the scouts. Yurtseven also played pretty good. Is Murat Kosova a FB fan? He was criticizing Yurtseven all game and talking how he is inferior to Alperen. He wasn't amaizing but he did a good job with offensive boards. Sertaç was also good with stretching the floor but we can use him more in P&R.

Ersan woke up in the 4th quarter. We can beat Czechs and even maybe Greece without him but he needs to be the Ersan we know against Canada. Glad to see he starts feeling it.

Our back up guards are the problem. Melih played good in both games but he is a shooter he doesn't help with playmaking. Buğrahan had 3 TO in 12 minutes. Doğuş only plays as the defensive guy and don't contribute much else. Weird to see we move away from Berk Uğurlu who I thought was solid last game. And Sehmus has a higher potential than any of these guys but Ene insists on not using him correctly. He will be our main guy when the NBA guys are not there, we should be able to include him to our game plan more often. He is our best guard to drive in and draw fouls or make plays. I don't understand the low amount of minutes for him.

I am scared that my hopes got higher after this game, lets hope we will at least get to the final without any problem.

Toruko
07-01-2021, 05:14 AM
There is no hate on Osmans games, he did indeed pretty well but taking those kind of shots is a lack of play making. I would have no problems with Korkmaz or Ilyasova taking those shots (they can do it) instead of Osman. Osman is this what he was playing today, an overall contributor, not a scorer.

I dont think we will have any problems with the Greeks and there are chances to beat these unorganized Canadians too. Dont worry.

P.S. Ugurlu has an injury. Thats the reason why he didnt play.

Dtown
07-01-2021, 10:54 AM
Uruguay vs. Czech Republic in a knock out game looks nice.

Also barring insane upset by China, a knock out game between the Greeks and Turks oh my.

reamily
07-01-2021, 11:42 AM
Great decision for fiba to expand the olympic qualifying tournament..

fasoulaki
07-01-2021, 01:02 PM
Don't see many chances in beating Canada twice. Do you see any chances to beat Canada once?

fasoulaki
07-01-2021, 01:13 PM
Greeks are still Greeks. This is not your basketball identity.
You speak out of my heart brother!

But frankly speaking Greece lost its identitiy 2008 in the quarterfinal against Argentina. Giannakis was dismissed as head coach and already 2009 with Kazlauskas on the bench Greece tried to play a fast game which was also the last year we got a medal.

Pitino does exactly the opposite from what Giannakis was lecturing. Giannakis always inisted that the three is a bitch and will betray you when the game turns close. Therefor his focus was defense and not shooting. I mean real defense not this kind of nonexisting defense Greece is playing nowadays. Pitino says shooting forgives a lot of sins. So completely different attitude and completely different game philosophy. Actually I think Greece should be able to play both game styles and adapt its strategy to the available players and the opponents qualities. But at the moment I fear they neither can play fast nor slow.

Victorious
07-01-2021, 04:26 PM
Do you see any chances to beat Canada once?

Unlikely. In fact, there are only few chances that they might play Canada again. But that said, there were even less chances that Greece would beat Canada twice. Don't you think?

fasoulaki
07-01-2021, 04:28 PM
Unlikely. In fact, there are only few chances that they might play Canada again. But that said, there were even less chances that Greece would beat Canada twice. Don't you think?

I agree completely.

Toruko
07-01-2021, 10:12 PM
Greece vs China in one hour... Since China doesnt know how to defend I expect Greece to win but Greece in the next game against Turkey has a disadvantage of one day. Since the Turkish team is deeper than Greece and rotate much the situation of Calathes and Sloukas is crucial. The third game in the fourth day might be exhausting for them and do or die games are always difficult.

Greece still has the advantage in the guard positions but how severe it will be depends on the level of Sloukas and Calathes. If Turkey can restrict Sloukas as much as possible there is a clear big advantage on Turkeys side. Furk is not a good defender but has a clear height advantage and there is no way Sloukas can guard him. I would start with hazer though to exhaust Sloukas with Hazers pesky defense and athleticism first. A matchup Kavvadas - Yurtseven should be forced as well but the real fight will be between Mitoglou and Sengün. I think the advantage for the Turks should be evident when the bench gets involved.

janketa
07-01-2021, 11:45 PM
Hazer's trivial role in first two games is surprise for me and big mistake. We will pay price sooner or later

He is 22, the best basketball age, but maybe Ene thinks that we should wait until his 30s to get some minutes

JGX
07-02-2021, 04:33 AM
Damn. Uruguay wasn't qualifying for the Olympics, but it would have been great if they'd pulled out a win. Magnano's best work since 2004?

Arsonist
07-02-2021, 05:46 AM
What a great game Uruguay played against Czech Republic. it was incredible how they didn't give that extra to win the game, I don't understand why they made a shot from the perimeter, with a 2 point basket they could have won the game, it was feasible, they were very close to give the surprise, I would have liked to see them in the semifinals, it will be for the next one.

fasoulaki
07-02-2021, 06:17 AM
Just watching the China Greece game. I have the impression that Kosta Adetokubo is acting really immature in this game. He has some personal issues with one of the chinese players and I got the impression that clarifying these issues are more relevant for him than the victory of his team. And Papagiannis is just one big hole in defense. He always switches to the smaller player and is pulled out of the zone leaving everything wide open under the rim. Rogavopoulos used the minor minutes very well. Impressive dunk and three pointer. Katsivelis was also very focused and efficient.

Toruko
07-02-2021, 08:15 AM
Congrats to Uruguay first of all. they were really tough but I am happy about Czechs having won. They can be very uncomfortable for the Canadians. There is height under the rim and athleticism. They also have a great play maker with Sato who has his team under control. I dont think the Canadians will break through the Czech lanes that easily and they will be an easy target from the low post. I also think that the TO number of the Canadian team will decide the game.

okanial
07-02-2021, 08:34 AM
Pre-game thoughts against Greece...

Based on the stats, they didn't play much defense against either China or Canada. They have scored really high in both of their game but we've been playing solid defense in this tournament so far, especially against Czechs. I don't think Greece can beat us if we go pure offense as they have noone to stop Furkan or Melih making it rain from outside. Also we paired Ilyasova-Yurt7 and Şanlı-Şengün in the first games but Ilyasova-Şanlı duo can be quite problematic to Greece with all the shooting threat and Cedi-Buğrahan can drive in safer.

I don't expect an easy win but I expect a win. Main problem of Turkish teams has always been mental weakness. We didn't see it so far but Greece is one of our natural rivals for decades and have always been a tough, high level opponent. Confidence will determine the result more than anything. I don't think anyone would suggest Greece has roster quality over us except for the point guards but experience is an issue. It is easy to forget that 3rd oldest player on the roster is Cedi who is 26 years old. Ene hasn't been great so far but we have to hope he will mentally prepare team enough

Toruko
07-02-2021, 08:56 AM
Greece hasnt played a well prepared basketball team so far. Either they played short teams without a true center or teams that dont play defense at all (Except Serbia of course). The situation with us will be totally different. There is simply no way that Kavvadas or Kostas can defend any of our bigs they have to come with the second help and we have great inside outside passers.

They will try to play fast but I dont see any problems running back. We just have to attack their weak points. One would be to attack Giannapoulos relentlessly with Cedi and create open shots with him or finishes. Please dont rush things by taking unconsidered shots. Luring Papagiannis out of the painted area with Sanli is a good idea btw. and dont forget that the most Greek players are not used to these do or die games either.

Starting with Tuncer would be a mistake. Letting Osman or Korkmaz to create is enough since we have quality creating shots. I think rebounds will decide the game and we have the utter advantage on that side. There is nobody except Mitoglou who could even compete with our guys in rebounding and we must keep attacking the rim. This will cause many foul troubles on the Greek side.

Dtown
07-02-2021, 11:46 AM
Out of the four I feel Canada is the best team, but only by a hair. If they had had more prep games before this I think they would be the clear class. Right now I can quietly see any of the 4 winning. Should be some good basketball this weekend.

okanial
07-02-2021, 11:55 AM
Out of the four I feel Canada is the best team, but only by a hair. If they had had more prep games before this I think they would be the clear class. Right now I can quietly see any of the 4 winning. Should be some good basketball this weekend.

Czechs didn't show much to be honest. Unless they were hiding themselves for when it counts (which I doubt as they almost lost to Uruguay) Canada should be in the finals easily. I think based on the first games, not having Turkey-Canada final would be a surprise.

Petran
07-02-2021, 11:56 AM
Greece hasnt played a well prepared basketball team so far. Either they played short teams without a true center or teams that dont play defense at all (Except Serbia of course). The situation with us will be totally different. There is simply no way that Kavvadas or Kostas can defend any of our bigs they have to come with the second help and we have great inside outside passers.

They will try to play fast but I dont see any problems running back. We just have to attack their weak points. One would be to attack Giannapoulos relentlessly with Cedi and create open shots with him or finishes. Please dont rush things by taking unconsidered shots. Luring Papagiannis out of the painted area with Sanli is a good idea btw. and dont forget that the most Greek players are not used to these do or die games either.

Starting with Tuncer would be a mistake. Letting Osman or Korkmaz to create is enough since we have quality creating shots. I think rebounds will decide the game and we have the utter advantage on that side. There is nobody except Mitoglou who could even compete with our guys in rebounding and we must keep attacking the rim. This will cause many foul troubles on the Greek side.

I really believe you sound overconfident. We played with Serbia and we didn't fare so bad. What are you going to do as well with Calathes and Sloukas, you will ignore them altogether? It will be a close match, and as much as we lack wings, you also lack Guards.

Toruko
07-02-2021, 03:12 PM
I really believe you sound overconfident. We played with Serbia and we didn't fare so bad. What are you going to do as well with Calathes and Sloukas, you will ignore them altogether? It will be a close match, and as much as we lack wings, you also lack Guards.

The point is you dont just lack wings, you also lack Bigs and this is a difference that normally cant be overcome just with better guards.

fasoulaki
07-02-2021, 03:46 PM
The point is you dont just lack wings, you also lack Bigs and this is a difference that normally cant be overcome just with better guards.

We should pack our stuff and leave the tournament immediately.... Or well.. maybe we should just enjoy the next game. ;)

Victorious
07-02-2021, 04:38 PM
After seeing some games, I would say Turkey is just a little bit deeper than Greece, but definitely not as much as one would expect. I mean, I fail to see this overwhelming dominance of Turkey in the paint. Better than Greece's centers? Perhaps. But not clear cut.

Though the Greek guards are better, there is an overwhelming dominance of Turkey in the SF positions. There is a huge gap. Korkmaz and Osman really dominate there. So unless Pitino finds some kind of magical formula, then Turkey will get away with the win.

I rate Turkey somewhat less good than Canada, but also that was a close game for Greece. So even though Turkey is favored to win, nothing is impossible.

As for the Czechs against the Canadians. The Czechs have almost no chance.

Furkan Korkmaz
07-02-2021, 05:22 PM
I mean, I fail to see this overwhelming dominance of Turkey in the paint. Better than Greece's centers? Perhaps. But not clear cut.

Tbh who said we had overwhelming dominance in the paint? We literally have an 18 year old (though a very talented one) and a guy who hasn’t played in a proper league in years. Sanli is more known for his shooting as a center rather than his dominance in the paint lol. The guy is a better shooter than Sloukas and Calathes, but we indeed lack a good experienced dependable guy on the inside. Normally Kanter would have taken this role but we know how that story unfolded....

However what I have learned over my many years of following our national teams, is that we are currently both loser countries, and no amount of observing or hypothesizing over the eventual outcome will matter because it’s gonna depend entirely on the factors of that particular day. I mean, who would have imagined an NBA mvp lose to Brazil? Or us getting destroyed by Ondrej Bolvin after celebrating the absence of Vesely lol. I take everything match by match, no need to have an argument who’s better in what, because we both suck. Yeah though I am traumatized from past disappointments I am willing to admit we’re favorite on paper, but it means nothing. Goodluck tomorrow : ).

janketa
07-02-2021, 05:39 PM
I mean, I fail to see this overwhelming dominance of Turkey in the paint. Better than Greece's centers? Perhaps. But not clear cut.

Nobody serious said that. Only dominant and proved center here is Sanli, but that is not enough to be dominant against entire Greece frontcourt. Alperen and Yurt are guys at start of their careers without a single EL game.

fasoulaki
07-02-2021, 05:43 PM
After watching the Uruguay and Czech game I have the impression that Turkey plays slower than Greece in its two games in this tournament. I am wondering wich team's rhythm will prevail tomorrow and if Turkey will run with Greece or if Turkey will manage to slow down the game.

Toruko
07-02-2021, 05:45 PM
After seeing some games, I would say Turkey is just a little bit deeper than Greece, but definitely not as much as one would expect. I mean, I fail to see this overwhelming dominance of Turkey in the paint. Better than Greece's centers? Perhaps. But not clear cut.

You are making a logical mistake. You think Chinese bigs who were making fundamentally mistakes in box outs etc. are the same level as Balvin or Jan Vesely also Uruguays bigs were old but experienced and good. Its not a comparison to Zou Qui with all my respect to Chinese basketball.

If you watch the Canada game again of yours then youll see that partly 3 Greek player were under the rim of Canada by themselves. Turkey has two very young bigs Alperen Sengün for example is still 18 years old and comes with 20 and 10 as an MVP of BSL. He totally dominated bigs like Micheal Eric etc. Kavvadas and Kostas are not match for him. There is no way they can stop him by themselves. Yurt is not in that level i was expecting him to be but still no match either and yes Turkish bigs are superior. This is a fact.


I rate Turkey somewhat less good than Canada, but also that was a close game for Greece. So even though Turkey is favored to win, nothing is impossible.

This is mistake number two: you cant be serious about that. I mean look at the Turkish defensive patterns and those of Canada. Canadians dont defend at all. They just trust in their offensive power. If you think youll be able to reach even 80 points against Turkey you are terribly on the wrong way.