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sinobball
09-04-2019, 02:45 PM
Since all the Latin American teams advanced over all teams from Asia and Africa

Dtown
09-04-2019, 02:55 PM
Bit unfair to poor Canada, and the few European teams. But groups M/N are basically for Olympic spots.

sinobball
09-04-2019, 02:59 PM
Asian and African teams have not won a single game against non-Asian/African teams

usagre
09-04-2019, 03:17 PM
Asian and African teams have not won a single game against non-Asian/African teams

That’s not unusual, rather it’s the norm. I think we should add even more teams for 2023. That makes sense.

Dtown
09-04-2019, 03:36 PM
Thatís not unusual, rather itís the norm. I think we should add even more teams for 2023. That makes sense.

It's a step back for Africa actually, they had teams qualify for the last 16 in 2014,2010, and 2006. Getting wins over Americas/Oceania/Europe. Don't know if this a regression, because the individual groups are smaller, or what.

Darrell Armstrong
09-04-2019, 03:36 PM
If New Zealand beats Greece, will you reconsider renaming this thread?

usagre
09-04-2019, 03:56 PM
It's a step back for Africa actually, they had teams qualify for the last 16 in 2014,2010, and 2006. Getting wins over Americas/Oceania/Europe. Don't know if this a regression, because the individual groups are smaller, or what.

And that leads me back to my original point. They advanced in those years because those teams were decent. Only 2 or 3 African teams per tournaments. Not 5. That’s just dumb.

sinobball
09-04-2019, 04:08 PM
That’s not unusual, rather it’s the norm. I think we should add even more teams for 2023. That makes sense.

It IS unusual, when has it happened before?

In 2014 Senegal beat Croatia and Puerto Rico, Angola beat Australia
In 2010 Angola beat Germany, Lebanon beat Canada
In 2006 China beat Slovenia, Japan beat Panama, Lebanon beat Venezuela and France, Angola beat New Zealand and Panama

sinobball
09-04-2019, 04:09 PM
If New Zealand beats Greece, will you reconsider renaming this thread?
There's room for special invitees

usagre
09-04-2019, 04:12 PM
It IS unusual, when has it happened before?

In 2014 Senegal beat Croatia and Puerto Rico, Angola beat Australia
In 2010 Angola beat Germany, Lebanon beat Canada
In 2006 China beat Slovenia, Japan beat Panama, Lebanon beat Venezuela and France, Angola beat New Zealand and Panama

Here’s the point. In all those years the top 2 African teams did very well and they should always be there. The third African team in all those tournaments went a combined 0 wins and 15 losses. But I’ll give in and even argue for them to be given a spot. But what does that tell you about spots 4 and 5 ? What we just saw in the first round should surprise no one.

sinobball
09-04-2019, 04:14 PM
Let's look at how many Asian/African teams made it to the final 16 since 2006:

2006: 3, China, Nigeria, Angola
2010: 2, China, Angola
2014: 1, Senegal
2019: 0

I see a linear decline

usagre
09-04-2019, 04:18 PM
Let's look at how many Asian/African teams made it to the final 16 since 2006:

2006: 3, China, Nigeria, Angola
2010: 2, China, Angola
2014: 1, Senegal
2019: 0

I see a linear decline

A lot of it is circumstance. Nigeria and Tunisia are solid African teams. Angola has definitely been in decline.
China, Japan and Iran are ok. You really fall off a cliff in terms of quality when you get to the 4th and 5th place teams.

soulis79
09-04-2019, 04:42 PM
I believe Asian teams will decline more in the coming years. Perhaps China and maybe Japan can do something but i really doubt about it.

I tend to agree that African teams lost two good chances in this World Cup (Nigeria and Tunisia). The problem with them is the lack of funds for a good preparations and the choices they made on coaching staff. A good example is Senegal 2016, with this year version. Porfirio Fissac had the same problems then (no Dieng, lack of funds) but on the court the team was very competitive. For example if Palma was on Nigeria bench this year, then Russia probably would be eliminated. Even Will Voigt would be a better choice.

Katastroika
09-04-2019, 10:40 PM
I read today a Croatian article where the autor wrote that African Basketball Federation harshly protested when they heard that they will receive "just 5" spots for WC 2019 when the format was presented (I suppose at the General assembly of FIBA back then). Lack of realistic approach, money hunting, whatever but I would make Afrobasket and Asiabasket a direct qualification tournament for the World Cup so that also this tournaments are pumped up in value.

Dtown
09-05-2019, 02:47 AM
Asia Standings going into the classification stage (Japan still has a game to play, but as hosts to the Olympics their result doesn't count)

China 1-2 PD -1
Iran 0-3 PD -22
South Korea 0-3 PD -82
Philippines 0-3 PD -108

China/South Korea are paired together
Iran/Philippines are paired together.

PD only matters if both teams finish the same level (1st, 2nd, etc.)

Edit: Totally forgot about Jordan.

JGX
09-05-2019, 04:32 AM
It IS unusual, when has it happened before?

In 2006 China beat Slovenia, Japan beat Panama, Lebanon beat Venezuela and France, Angola beat New Zealand and Panama

Nigeria beat Serbia/Montenegro as well. And of course they've beaten some strong teams at the 2012 OQT and Croatia at the last Olympics.

I think the African teams overall are a little weaker this time (Senegal missing Dieng and others and with coaching turmoil, but they'd be underdogs in that group anyway), but to some extent the close games just haven't gone the Asian/African teams way. DR/Jordan, China/Poland, Nigeria/Russia, Tunisia/PR, Iran/PR, Iran/Spain, they have had opportunities but couldn't pull out the wins.

reamily
09-05-2019, 05:00 AM
What would be the real format on determining the best asian team?