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Toruko
11-02-2020, 05:30 PM
The players were compensated in the last season but the owner had tremendous financial losses. To start the league end of December doesnt seem very realistic indeed but there are other solutions like starting earlier with a bunch of the teams and shift the schedule of Denver, LA etc.

If they start in January there will be lesser games. Adam Silver wanted it anyway in the past to pull back the numbers of 82 games to 70th or even around 60 games. Maybe we wont see every NBA star in the Olympics (less in the qualifying Tournament) but there will be some.

mojo13
11-06-2020, 05:14 PM
The players were compensated in the last season but the owner had tremendous financial losses. To start the league end of December doesnt seem very realistic indeed but there are other solutions like starting earlier with a bunch of the teams and shift the schedule of Denver, LA etc.

If they start in January there will be lesser games. Adam Silver wanted it anyway in the past to pull back the numbers of 82 games to 70th or even around 60 games. Maybe we wont see every NBA star in the Olympics (less in the qualifying Tournament) but there will be some.



NBA start date set for Dec 22 with a 72 game season. Rest of the schedule not set, but the regular season probably ends in between May 15th and May 22 (there is talk of a play-in among the 7-10 seeds ending around May 22). Some formulations show the playoffs going all the way to July 22, the day before the Olympics.

So although not all NBA players would want to play in the Olympics, all technically could. However we should expect the players in the finals to pass and probably the final four teams.

As for the Qualifiers, we could see decent NBA participation with all the players who missed the playoffs having a over a month to prepare, and players that get knocked out in the 1st and maybe 2nd round able to join.


I assume this helps Canada more than most countries, but it could be a boon for many others depending on how things shake out. Let the speculation begin.

Katastroika
11-15-2020, 05:43 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1327990903168962560

May 16: Regular season ends
May 17-to-21: Play-in tournament for 7-to-10 seeds.
May 22: First-round playoffs
June 7: Conference semifinals
June 22: Conference Finals
July 8-22: NBA Finals

So every player from their respective national teams who doesn't make the conference finals this year can participate in the qualifiers at least theoretically if healthy physically and mentally.
Big blows could be: Luka, Schröder (should be sign with LAL according to WOJ), Bogdanovic (heavy interest from a few contenders while Bucks seem to be most interested), Jokic, Giannis, Zubac, Murray...

Will be interesting to follow this short and brutal trade window and free agency.
At least we are sure that everyone could participate at the Olympics and national teams that heavily rely on their NBA players can at least take some of the players to the qualifiers.

Mindozas
11-15-2020, 06:02 PM
Woj can be taken as official source as much as I noticed, so that's a good news for Liths, of course if JV unexpectedly won't be traded somewhere to contenders, so Memphis will suck and Indiana will underperform. Will try to follow NBA season more closely too, didnt' do that for years, but since it will have major impact on Olympics, I'll try to, that's interesting

Straight forward
11-15-2020, 06:34 PM
Woj can be taken as official source as much as I noticed, so that's a good news for Liths, of course if JV unexpectedly won't be traded somewhere to contenders, so Memphis will suck and Indiana will underperform. Will try to follow NBA season more closely too, didnt' do that for years, but since it will have major impact on Olympics, I'll try to, that's interesting

If that means that Doncic shows up, it's bad news for Lithuania, IMO. However, I see Dallas going deep into West conference PO and maybe even reaching conference finals. IMO, Doncic will get a lot of pressure from Mark Cuban. So even if the date fits, it's way from obvious that Doncic comes. It's just that I don't see how for us available NBA players is good news. Doncic>>>>>>>>>>>>Domas, JV

Toruko
11-15-2020, 07:03 PM
If that means that Doncic shows up, it's bad news for Lithuania, IMO. However, I see Dallas going deep into West conference PO and maybe even reaching conference finals. IMO, Doncic will get a lot of pressure from Mark Cuban. So even if the date fits, it's way from obvious that Doncic comes. It's just that I don't see how for us available NBA players is good news. Doncic>>>>>>>>>>>>Domas, JV

Dont chicken out. We want to watch the best possible teams and if you cant beat a bigless Slovenia in Lithuania you dont deserve a Olympic spot anyway.

Straight forward
11-15-2020, 07:09 PM
Dont chicken out. We want to watch the best possible teams and if you cant beat a bigless Slovenia in Lithuania you dont deserve a Olympic spot anyway.

Just sharing simple logic. Doncic impact should be massive, likely bigger then prime Dirk and Pau for their NT teams. So it's easy to understand that Lithuania has easiest path if there's no NBA players in QT. But you right, the team that will win, will deserve to be in OG.

Toruko
11-15-2020, 07:17 PM
Just sharing simple logic. Doncic impact should be massive, likely bigger then prime Dirk and Pau for their NT teams. So it's easy to understand that Lithuania has easiest path if there's no NBA players in QT. But you right, the team that will win, will deserve to be in OG.

I like watching good basketball even if it means that my team has less chances. I would also prefer to see Giannis or Murray in Canada. National teams deserve to play in full strength. If there are injuries, ok, its part of a game but they should play if they can. There is nothing more important than playing for the country for the Olympics. The NBA needs to accept it.

Straight forward
11-15-2020, 07:47 PM
I like watching good basketball even if it means that my team has less chances. I would also prefer to see Giannis or Murray in Canada. National teams deserve to play in full strength. If there are injuries, ok, its part of a game but they should play if they can. There is nothing more important than playing for the country for the Olympics. The NBA needs to accept it.

Look, I also for the best playing. But I also would not blink once if someone would ask me to be OK with B teams going at each other in qualification. I wouldn't say, meh, it's unfair and so on. It's just that I really want to see OG, even their B version is much better than nothing, specially now that we skipped international tournament in 2020. And your situation is different, FOA Turkey's chances lays on NBA players primarily, SOA Turkey did not qualify for Olympics since 1952. While I'm watching Lithuania playing in OG since 1992 (first tournament of independent Lithuania) and we never skipped one single tournament since then. It's two different things to be familiar with Turkey's fragile chances to qualify and not to see Lithuania in OG. It would be a nightmare for us. We must participate in our 8th consecutive Olympic Games (the only Euro NT to make all OG since 1992).

Mindozas
11-15-2020, 10:11 PM
If that means that Doncic shows up, it's bad news for Lithuania, IMO. However, I see Dallas going deep into West conference PO and maybe even reaching conference finals. IMO, Doncic will get a lot of pressure from Mark Cuban. So even if the date fits, it's way from obvious that Doncic comes. It's just that I don't see how for us available NBA players is good news. Doncic>>>>>>>>>>>>Domas, JV

That means that JV should be there for some 99%, at least the way things stands right now, while Domas and Doncic are questionable, especially Luka, as as much as I listened, searched and read opinions, seems like Mavs has decent shot to go far, maybe conference finals, then Indiana are rated as 1st PO round contender at best. But even if they both, Domas and Luka, will come they might miss major part or whole preparation. For Slovenes it might be a bit more troublesome, as it's not easy for teams to adjust to one big star quickly, it changes concept of the game completely and Slovenia weren't in such situation before, I mean with Luka. Imagine them preparing and not knowing all May/June will he come or not.
Also I don't completely agree with your >>>>>>>>> part. Of course individually Doncic is a beast and better than any of JV or Domas. But looking at whole picture, having our NBA bigs is huge advantage over rather weak Slovenian frontcourt. If we can only slow down Luka at best, then who will deal with our bigs in the paint? None really, we can hit them and hit them through it all game long. Morgan is good player, but not of that caliber. He can be dangerous against our 2nd string players like Gudaitis or some Birutis. But not against JV or Domas or especially both. We should simply dominate this area, that's a big advantage. So overall it's of course subjective, but I see it as positive thing - given strenghts and weaknesses, one big advantage we would gain, JV guaranteed to be there and then two questionable star players from each side. Not a bad deal to start with IMO :)

Killer Bob
11-16-2020, 12:14 AM
Even if Luka comes, it's very questionable in what condition he will be. This will be the most demanding season in Nba. 72 games in less than 5 months and then playoffs. We all know that Luka's biggest problem is his conditioning. I don't believe he will improve much this short offseason. Kp probably missing start and many other games will put even bigger burden on Luka. If Mavs reach Conference semi finals, I don't see Luka helping Slovenia.

Problem with bigs? Sure. But in 1 game, under Fiba rules, I don't see that too problematic. It will be more about, how good % for 3 will Slovenia have. But like I said, Slovenia first needs Luka in good condition to even have chances in that game and that looks unlikely at this moment. Many things can change of course. Mavs not making playoffs could have big impact. And then we still have slight possibility of Goran changing his mind. That would have changed chances for Slovenia dramatically. Goran/Prepelic/Blazic/Luka/Morgan is fantastic starting 5.

Mindozas
11-16-2020, 10:43 AM
Did Goran gave any hints that he might change his mind lately? The last time I've read his interview on that matter, maybe it was in summer or bit earlier, he stated that he is done and there's no chance. But if it changed and if actually there's a chance, that would surely change a lot

Killer Bob
11-16-2020, 01:16 PM
Did Goran gave any hints that he might change his mind lately? The last time I've read his interview on that matter, maybe it was in summer or bit earlier, he stated that he is done and there's no chance. But if it changed and if actually there's a chance, that would surely change a lot

He didn't say anything, but it's a big difference that he's signing new contract 1 year before Olympics. My guess is that he won't sign only 1 year contract, so it will be much easier for him to change his mind about playing his last tournament with Slovenia. Still a long shot, but there will be for sure some persuasions from his brother, who has missed gold in Eurobasket, Luka and NT.

Killer Bob
11-16-2020, 10:32 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/dallas-mavericks-star-kristaps-porzingis-miss-start-nba/story?id=74238143

And Suns traded for Chris Paul. West is totally unpredictable this year.

Katastroika
11-17-2020, 08:21 AM
Bogdanovic and Holiday to Bucks. So most likely no Bogdanovic at qualifiers but knowing his attitude towards national team and nation 100% at Olympics (if we qualify, of course).

Straight forward
11-17-2020, 09:42 AM
Most likely no Giannis for Greece, as Bucks getting stronger with Jrue Holiday and Bogdanovic.

Killer Bob
11-17-2020, 10:05 AM
Most likely no Giannis for Greece, as Bucks getting stronger with Jrue Holiday and Bogdanovic.

Bucks are having no bench at the moment. Let's see how they address these problem. Bucks problem is Giannis' inconsistent jumper in playoffs, I can't see how those changes will have meaningful impact in playoffs. Or people perhaps believe Bogdan will get clutch shots?

Toruko
11-17-2020, 10:23 AM
Good news for Turkey. Ersan Ilyasova was used in the trade with Bogdanovic and he has a not guaranteed 1 year deal with the Kings. Its probable that he is going to be waived. Its time to return home Ersan.

Katastroika
11-17-2020, 10:40 AM
Bucks are having no bench at the moment. Let's see how they address these problem. Bucks problem is Giannis' inconsistent jumper in playoffs, I can't see how those changes will have meaningful impact in playoffs. Or people perhaps believe Bogdan will get clutch shots?

It's an issue I generally consider important for them. Usage of Bogdanovic will be much more important than people think. I think we all agree that 100% Giannis-based offense showed unsuccessful in playoffs and reading between the lines the Bucks FO acknowledgies this with this trade. It's not so much about important shots but about usage in general.

Killer Bob
11-17-2020, 11:16 AM
It's an issue I generally consider important for them. Usage of Bogdanovic will be much more important than people think. I think we all agree that 100% Giannis-based offense showed unsuccessful in playoffs and reading between the lines the Bucks FO acknowledgies this with this trade. It's not so much about important shots but about usage in general.

Bucks were always dominant in RS and underperformed in playoffs. It looks kinda unrealistic to me that upgrade from Bledsoe/Divicenzo to Jrue/Bogdanovic will totally change that. They are better but not that much. Problem is in Giannis, playoffs are just totally different ballgame, more like Fiba and we all know how Giannis looks there. They could move him in C, but I kinda doubt their backcourt is good enough to win the title. I like Lakers chances much more and I'm not convinced they will win East easily.

Bogdanovic in theory could work, shooter who can do some playmaking too, but will they really take the ball from Giannis' hands? And even if they do that, how effective will Giannis be in that case?

Katastroika
11-17-2020, 11:25 AM
Bucks were always dominant in RS and underperformed in playoffs. It looks kinda unrealistic to me that upgrade from Bledsoe/Divicenzo to Jrue/Bogdanovic will totally change that. They are better but not that much. Problem is in Giannis, playoffs are just totally different ballgame, more like Fiba and we all know how Giannis looks there. They could move him in C, but I kinda doubt their backcourt is good enough to win the title. I like Lakers chances much more and I'm not convinced they will win East easily.

For me this upgrade is good in first line and everything else will be seen. It's a first move and I wouldn't be surprised if they would hit the luxury tax with additional additions - it's now or never for Milwaukee the next 2-3 years. I totally dislike Bucks basketball, it's for me a cruelty versus this sport and a first step to normalize it, in the end it will be better for Giannis, too. If they will win the East (who said that by the way?!), I don't know and there are serious contenders beside them but it's a good move from their FO in my eyes without any discussion.

Killer Bob
11-17-2020, 11:38 AM
For me this upgrade is good in first line and everything else will be seen. It's a first move and I wouldn't be surprised if they would hit the luxury tax with additional additions - it's now or never for Milwaukee the next 2-3 years. I totally dislike Bucks basketball, it's for me a cruelty versus this sport and a first step to normalize it, in the end it will be better for Giannis, too. If they will win the East (who said that by the way?!), I don't know and there are serious contenders beside them but it's a good move from their FO in my eyes without any discussion.

Not you, but reading on internet, people believe they have already won East. ;) I understand they had to do something or Giannis would walk. But man, Bucks have agreed to acquire Jrue Holiday from the New Orleans Pelicans for George Hill, Eric Bledsoe and three future first round picks and two pick swaps. In terms of pick compensation, the deal is similar to what the Pelicans received from the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis. Jrue who? 1 time all star. Very good defender but that looks just brutal to me. And main problem still stands, Giannis cannot play on set half court D. Are Jrue/Bogdanovic really so big upgrade to solve that problem?

Toruko
11-17-2020, 11:59 AM
Not you, but reading on internet, people believe they have already won East. ;) I understand they had to do something or Giannis would walk. But man, Bucks have agreed to acquire Jrue Holiday from the New Orleans Pelicans for George Hill, Eric Bledsoe and three future first round picks and two pick swaps. In terms of pick compensation, the deal is similar to what the Pelicans received from the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis. Jrue who? 1 time all star. Very good defender but that looks just brutal to me. And main problem still stands, Giannis cannot play on set half court D. Are Jrue/Bogdanovic really so big upgrade to solve that problem?

They had to do this move. Giannis contract runs out and they need to show him that they are making the right moves to help Giannis on the court. Bogdanovic and Jrue Holiday are not a big but an upgrade and this move had to be done. Bledsoe is famous to be a headless chicken when it comes to decision making especially in crunch time and Hill is an one dimensional player. Jrue and Bogdan are far more versatile.

Killer Bob
11-17-2020, 12:06 PM
They had to do this move. Giannis contract runs out and they need to show him that they are making the right moves to help Giannis on the court. Bogdanovic and Jrue Holiday are not a big but an upgrade and this move had to be done. Bledsoe is famous to be a headless chicken when it comes to decision making especially in crunch time and Hill is an one dimensional player. Jrue and Bogdan are far more versatile.

I agree they should have done something, but it doesn't look enough to me unless they have already agreed with Giannis to sign super max. If not, they have taken huge gamble with not very good hand. If you need to win now, I would rather take Chris Paul. His contract is bad, but who cares, if your only goal is to be competitive and sign Giannis. In 2 years you have Paul out of books.

I believe people are underestimating Divincenzo. It's Bladsoe/Hill/Divincenzo vs Jrue/Bogdanovic.

Katastroika
11-17-2020, 12:19 PM
I agree they should have done something, but it doesn't look enough to me unless they have already agreed with Giannis to sign super max. If not, they have taken huge gamble with not very good hand. If you need to win now, I would rather take Chris Paul. His contract is bad, but who cares, if your only goal is to be competitive and sign Giannis. In 2 years you have Paul out of books.

I believe people are underestimating Divincenzo. It's Bladsoe/Hill/Divincenzo vs Jrue/Bogdanovic.

And I think people are underestimating Holiday :) No joke, I've always been a big fan. Like always in such trades time well tell if it's good or not. Generally I am close to way of thinking that Giannis in some kind of his time with Bucks should take a conference final step. If now I don't know. But I am quite sure he will stay in Milwaukee.

Killer Bob
11-17-2020, 12:28 PM
And I think people are underestimating Holiday :) No joke, I've always been a big fan. Like always in such trades time well tell if it's good or not. Generally I am close to way of thinking that Giannis in some kind of his time with Bucks should take a conference final step. If now I don't know. But I am quite sure he will stay in Milwaukee.

Maybe 10 years ago, but now offence is much more important than D. No one is stopping best guards no matter what. If I'm not mistaken, Jrue has only 1 year on the contract. They basically gave away Bledsoe, Hill and 3 future first picks for 1 year of great defensive player? Yes I understand, they had to make Giannis happy. Will Giannis be happy if they don't make Finals again? Like I said, imho Chris Paul looked much better option for them.

Katastroika
11-17-2020, 02:51 PM
Maybe 10 years ago, but now offence is much more important than D. No one is stopping best guards no matter what. If I'm not mistaken, Jrue has only 1 year on the contract. They basically gave away Bledsoe, Hill and 3 future first picks for 1 year of great defensive player? Yes I understand, they had to make Giannis happy. Will Giannis be happy if they don't make Finals again? Like I said, imho Chris Paul looked much better option for them.

It's difficult to say. His true shooting percentages are among the worst guard-stats in the whole league but I also don't expect him to be the guy who will be able to make 20 points per game. Generally a combo guard of his skillset is someone every coach would like to add to his team. I think we should see how it will develop. Maybe good, maybe bad, who knows. But this drawing of early conclusions, I don't know, never been a fan of and as much as I like Chris Paul I really don't know if he would be the key to their success. Milwaukee is a heavily disbalanced team where every step towards players with possibility to create for themselves and IQ seems to be the way in the right direction but it stands and falls not with Holiday, Paul, Bogdanovic or DiVicenzo (if really that good) but with coaches possibilities to maximize Giannis qualities. For me today's signings don't seem to be desparation moves and could make sense in a long term.

Killer Bob
11-17-2020, 04:09 PM
It's difficult to say. His true shooting percentages are among the worst guard-stats in the whole league but I also don't expect him to be the guy who will be able to make 20 points per game. Generally a combo guard of his skillset is someone every coach would like to add to his team. I think we should see how it will develop. Maybe good, maybe bad, who knows. But this drawing of early conclusions, I don't know, never been a fan of and as much as I like Chris Paul I really don't know if he would be the key to their success. Milwaukee is a heavily disbalanced team where every step towards players with possibility to create for themselves and IQ seems to be the way in the right direction but it stands and falls not with Holiday, Paul, Bogdanovic or DiVicenzo (if really that good) but with coaches possibilities to maximize Giannis qualities. For me today's signings don't seem to be desparation moves and could make sense in a long term.

It looks to me they count on Bogdanovic to become clear #2 in scoring and taking clutch shots. Otherwise that doesn't work, without Giannis making progress in his jumper.

Shawshank
11-17-2020, 07:14 PM
Holiday is top player when it comes to work his tale off for his team and no ego what so ever.He has character of smart white european only in athletic black body.Alot better than brainless Bledsoe.

Bucks is going all in with Holiday and Bogdanovich,because if they loosing Giannis doesnt matter picks or whatever.They gonna become team that nobody follows again.

Milwaukie small market waited for superstars since 1975 when Jabbar left and got one after 40 years. They will give all picks they have till 2030 if it will require just to have young superstar and i dont blame them.

How manny in todays nba there is loyal superstars? Curry,Lilliard and looking in future i would bet 2 europeans Doncic with Giannis and maybe Tatum such humble superstars biggest chances that wont demand to trade them and can play for your organisation for 15+ years. Thats 5 carat diamonds that teams (small markets especially) have to try hold to it with everything they have.

Recent reports sounds that Giannis gonna sign 5 years supermax deal in next few weeks.


Im just happy Olympics looks to be with nba players. I didnt want see Olympic basketball back to 80s without best players playing.

mojo13
11-17-2020, 09:22 PM
I think people tend to overrate Giannis. At this time he's not a player who can win a championship as a #1 option.

The championship next year will be won by a team with either Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Lebron James or Kawhi Leonard on it. Just like what has happened for every championship since 2011.

Giannis is a championship caliber #2 - like Antony Davis is, like James Harden is.

Killer Bob
11-18-2020, 09:18 AM
I have to say that role players from Slovenia, Prepelic, Blazic, Dragic, Sisko, are looking pretty solid.

Straight forward
11-18-2020, 11:00 AM
The championship next year will be won by a team with either Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Lebron James or Kawhi Leonard on it. Just like what has happened for every championship since 2011.


Add Luka Doncic to the list. The guy has it, and if not this season, then the next one will be in the list of such breed.

Killer Bob
11-18-2020, 01:36 PM
Luka wants to play Eurobasket qualifiers on 28.11. and 30.11. Not likely that he will get permission.

Katastroika
11-18-2020, 02:12 PM
I don't know Slovenian word for "sekira" but maybe your Serbian/Croatian is good enough to understand and you say the same in streetball for it :)

I hope you understand what I mean :) I think that every normal person in Dallas Mavericks would not even consider this. And it's understandable in my eyes. Same goes for every minimal important NBA player. I cannot imagine brutal fouls of Austrian and Hungarian centers on Luka driving at the basket - not because of rudeness but because of overmotivation :)

Killer Bob
11-18-2020, 02:35 PM
I don't know Slovenian word for "sekira" but maybe your Serbian/Croatian is good enough to understand and you say the same in streetball for it :)

I hope you understand what I mean :) I think that every normal person in Dallas Mavericks would not even consider this. And it's understandable in my eyes. Same goes for every minimal important NBA player. I cannot imagine brutal fouls of Austrian and Hungarian centers on Luka driving at the basket - not because of rudeness but because of overmotivation :)

I understand you perfectly. ;) Luka is training with NT coaches and is eager to play some games. He's still a kid loving basketball. He probably won't play, but situation gives additional hope for Olympic qualifiers.

madmax
11-18-2020, 07:37 PM
Luka wants to play Eurobasket qualifiers on 28.11. and 30.11. Not likely that he will get permission.

:eek:
wow...major props to the young fella for the dedication to his country of birth - not many players of his status would even entertain the idea of playing games of such little magnitude to begin with

Katastroika
11-19-2020, 07:12 AM
According to Serbian media Bogdanovic refuses to go to Milwaukee because of that is whole trade in danger. :)

Straight forward
11-19-2020, 07:42 AM
According to Serbian media Bogdanovic refuses to go to Milwaukee because of that is whole trade in danger. :)

Why wouldn't he go?

Serbian_Layup
11-19-2020, 07:55 AM
Bogdan's refusal is just a formal explanation, the deal fell apart because Bucks broke the tampering rule, they were not allowed to talk to Bogdan until the start of free agency which is officially tomorrow if I'm not mistaken. No NBA team is allowed to talk to free agents or make any kind of deals until the start of free agency.

Katastroika
11-19-2020, 08:19 AM
Bogdan's refusal is just a formal explanation, the deal fell apart because Bucks broke the tampering rule, they were not allowed to talk to Bogdan until the start of free agency which is officially tomorrow if I'm not mistaken. No NBA team is allowed to talk to free agents or make any kind of deals until the start of free agency.

So that means that trade will take place as "scheduled" when FA begins? Zurnal writes today that he refuses to sign which really would make no sense. I mean the tampering rule is hot air and nothing which could stand in front of a court. How you want to prove evidence for this cases? It happened millions of times and I am sure it happens with every trade.

Serbian_Layup
11-19-2020, 08:45 AM
So that means that trade will take place as "scheduled" when FA begins? Zurnal writes today that he refuses to sign which really would make no sense. I mean the tampering rule is hot air and nothing which could stand in front of a court. How you want to prove evidence for this cases? It happened millions of times and I am sure it happens with every trade.

https://twitter.com/McDNBA/status/1328679041264545792

https://twitter.com/McDNBA/status/1328679042791268352

The problem is that both sides, Kings and Bucks, already announced a deal which they were not allowed to do for another couple of days. I don't know what happens next, it seems logical that the deal could be done in a few days, but if NBA interferes because of tampering issues and illegal deal that they've made, it could be put off.

Killer Bob
11-19-2020, 09:10 AM
So that means that trade will take place as "scheduled" when FA begins? Zurnal writes today that he refuses to sign which really would make no sense. I mean the tampering rule is hot air and nothing which could stand in front of a court. How you want to prove evidence for this cases? It happened millions of times and I am sure it happens with every trade.

Bogdan's agent just putting pressure on Bucks. He is RFA, he wants and will get huge contract.

Katastroika
11-19-2020, 11:01 AM
https://twitter.com/McDNBA/status/1328679041264545792

https://twitter.com/McDNBA/status/1328679042791268352

The problem is that both sides, Kings and Bucks, already announced a deal which they were not allowed to do for another couple of days. I don't know what happens next, it seems logical that the deal could be done in a few days, but if NBA interferes because of tampering issues and illegal deal that they've made, it could be put off.

Thanks mate.
But did they officially? I haven't heard a official agreement besides Twitter sources. I would consider them rumours.

Killer Bob
11-20-2020, 08:53 AM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260388/Bogdan-Bogdanovic-Believes-He-Can-Get-Four-Year-$72M-Offer

Hawks have the biggest cap space in Nba at the moment, 44 mio.

Katastroika
11-20-2020, 09:17 AM
So Bob you were right. Negotiating contracts in NBA sometimes seems more difficult than coalition building after elections :D

Killer Bob
11-20-2020, 09:20 AM
So Bob you were right. Negotiating contracts in NBA sometimes seems more difficult than coalition building after elections :D

I totally understand Bogdan, it's time for him to get paid. Maybe Giannis can pay him difference from his supermax. :rolleyes:

Killer Bob
11-20-2020, 01:27 PM
As expected Luka didn't get a green light to play Eurobasket qualifiers.

Victorious
11-20-2020, 04:42 PM
Giannis' brothers Kostas and Thanassis are playing for the Greek NT next week. Giannis is not. Curious to see Kostas in the European game. If he evolves into a decent center, then together with Papagiannis' development as well as Giannis, Greece front court will be solid in full potential. Hasn't been so for years. The problem is that these players will not be playing together until 2022 as Bucks and Lakers will go deep in the play offs.

Toruko
11-20-2020, 04:52 PM
Giannis' brothers Kostas and Thanassis are playing for the Greek NT next week. Giannis is not. Curious to see Kostas in the European game. If he evolves into a decent center, then together with Papagiannis' development as well as Giannis, Greece front court will be solid in full potential. Hasn't been so for years. The problem is that these players will not be playing together until 2022 as Bucks and Lakers will go deep in the play offs.

Well, did Kostas play for LA last season? I just saw some G-League highlight vids of him. A bit short for a 97 born player but I will have an eye on him in this FIBA window.

Victorious
11-21-2020, 09:55 AM
Well, did Kostas play for LA last season? I just saw some G-League highlight vids of him. A bit short for a 97 born player but I will have an eye on him in this FIBA window.

Don't think he played. But I am eyeing him because of his potential development. After all, Greece will need some good bigs in the near future.

Killer Bob
11-21-2020, 10:44 AM
Giannis' brothers Kostas and Thanassis are playing for the Greek NT next week. Giannis is not. Curious to see Kostas in the European game. If he evolves into a decent center, then together with Papagiannis' development as well as Giannis, Greece front court will be solid in full potential. Hasn't been so for years. The problem is that these players will not be playing together until 2022 as Bucks and Lakers will go deep in the play offs.

He's basketball player only because of Giannis. No talent whatsoever. I doubt very much he will even play for Lakers. He played 2 games for Mavs and 5 for Lakers in 2 seasons. 31 minutes all together.

Toruko
11-21-2020, 10:45 AM
He's basketball player only because of Giannis. No talent whatsoever.

You are really tactless sometimes hahahahahaha

Killer Bob
11-21-2020, 10:53 AM
You are really tactless sometimes hahahahahaha

Dallas have taken him just because they wanted to have better chances for Giannis. And even Mavs have enough after 1 year.

Toruko
11-21-2020, 11:05 AM
Dallas have taken him just because they wanted to have better chances for Giannis. And even Mavs have enough after 1 year.

This doesnt necessarily mean that he is useless but it doesnt look like he could have a role in the nba but some usage in the greek NT is possible like Thanasis.

Killer Bob
11-21-2020, 11:32 AM
This doesnt necessarily mean that he is useless but it doesnt look like he could have a role in the nba but some usage in the greek NT is possible like Thanasis.

I guess it depends what decent C. for Greek national team means. My expectations for decent C. are way better than Kostas can provide. But I guess anything is possible, not very likely though.

Victorious
11-21-2020, 07:24 PM
I guess it depends what decent C. for Greek national team means. My expectations for decent C. are way better than Kostas can provide. But I guess anything is possible, not very likely though.

The whole point is what he can provide long term. Obviously not at this point. Perhaps a couple of years from now. He should go to Europe and get some playing time.

But you argue that he has no talent whatsoever. I don't know. We have yet to see.

Killer Bob
11-21-2020, 07:57 PM
The whole point is what he can provide long term. Obviously not at this point. Perhaps a couple of years from now. He should go to Europe and get some playing time.

But you argue that he has no talent whatsoever. I don't know. We have yet to see.

Problem is that he should be already in Europe and not in Euroleague. But because of Giannis he's in Nba. He won't become solid NT player overnight. Similar story is with Thanasis. Does anyone believe Bucks need him? They for sure don't. Chances for Kostas to become solid NT player is slim to 0. How is he playing for NT in first place? Are there really aren't any better players in Greece at the moment? The same story yet again, they call him to make Giannis happy.

Toruko
11-21-2020, 09:13 PM
The whole point is what he can provide long term. Obviously not at this point. Perhaps a couple of years from now. He should go to Europe and get some playing time.

But you argue that he has no talent whatsoever. I don't know. We have yet to see.

The hope dies at last as we all know but he brings a good point. If you take your career seriously you try to improve. Sitting on the bench is not a good position for that but its also difficult to reject the possibilities supplied from Giannis.

The big man problem of Greece is well known and lasts for years now. The Greek federation should work on different solutions instead of counting on the Antetokounmpos

Victorious
11-23-2020, 07:12 PM
Problem is that he should be already in Europe and not in Euroleague. But because of Giannis he's in Nba. He won't become solid NT player overnight. Similar story is with Thanasis. Does anyone believe Bucks need him? They for sure don't. Chances for Kostas to become solid NT player is slim to 0. How is he playing for NT in first place? Are there really aren't any better players in Greece at the moment? The same story yet again, they call him to make Giannis happy.

Well turns out that neither Thanassis, nor Kostas will be playing. So the reports were not correct. But I would call him to see where he is at. And I agree with you. Playing is always better. You are a basketball player and shouldn't be wasting you good years on a bench. Sure, a season could do. With the perspective that you may play in the future. Especially for a young kid.

Killer Bob
11-24-2020, 07:36 PM
As expected Luka didn't get a green light to play Eurobasket qualifiers.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1133339/luka-doncic-forced-out-of-the-slovenia-nt/

Victorious
11-30-2020, 09:55 PM
Spanoulis said in an interview today that he may consider playing for the Greek NT during the pre-olympic tournament. At 38 it would be a good example for all those Greek players who retired at a very early age. Diamantidis being one of them who announced his retirement at 30. Ofcourse, the season may be short for Olympiacos as they are only participating in the EL. Plenty of time for Olympiacos players to rest until the next season. But ofcourse, it's only a maybe. Still a key player. He remains a leader on the court and is a decent shooter. Spanoulis and Dorsey can give an extra dimension to Greece's game.
On that note, Pitino also said he still will coach the Greek national team.

R1ou
12-01-2020, 12:03 PM
Spanoulis said in an interview today that he may consider playing for the Greek NT during the pre-olympic tournament. At 38 it would be a good example for all those Greek players who retired at a very early age. Diamantidis being one of them who announced his retirement at 30. Ofcourse, the season may be short for Olympiacos as they are only participating in the EL. Plenty of time for Olympiacos players to rest until the next season. But ofcourse, it's only a maybe. Still a key player. He remains a leader on the court and is a decent shooter. Spanoulis and Dorsey can give an extra dimension to Greece's game.
On that note, Pitino also said he still will coach the Greek national team.

Skountis just said Zisis and Bourousis also consider it if they are asked to.

mojo13
12-01-2020, 05:57 PM
Spanoulis said in an interview today that he may consider playing for the Greek NT during the pre-olympic tournament. At 38 it would be a good example for all those Greek players who retired at a very early age. Diamantidis being one of them who announced his retirement at 30. Ofcourse, the season may be short for Olympiacos as they are only participating in the EL. Plenty of time for Olympiacos players to rest until the next season. But ofcourse, it's only a maybe. Still a key player. He remains a leader on the court and is a decent shooter. Spanoulis and Dorsey can give an extra dimension to Greece's game.
On that note, Pitino also said he still will coach the Greek national team.

Curious if you are happy with Pitino as the coach?

He seems very over rated from my North American perspective. He was a terrible coach for the PR national team and I am not sure what he brings to the table for Greece besides his outdated name.

R1ou
12-01-2020, 06:59 PM
It still ain't sure whether he will be the coach or not.

Victorious
12-01-2020, 08:50 PM
Curious if you are happy with Pitino as the coach?

He seems very over rated from my North American perspective. He was a terrible coach for the PR national team and I am not sure what he brings to the table for Greece besides his outdated name.

When he coached PR he didn't have a clue about the international game. Now he has EL experience. Well, let's put it this way. I prefer him over the current one. I'll take it.


Skountis just said Zisis and Bourousis also consider it if they are asked to.

Well, those wouldn't be bad options either. Not sure whether Zisis is still better than Athinaiou, Bochoridis, Larentzakis. But Bourousis can still be useful as other than Papagiannis there is no one else.


It still ain't sure whether he will be the coach or not.

Well, he confirmed a few weeks ago still being committed.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1100268/rick-pitino-greece-tokyo-2020-qualifiers

But ofcourse nothing is certain.