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usagre
04-17-2019, 12:11 AM
It was announced today that the Olympic basketball tournament will change from its historical 2 groups of 6 teams into 3 groups of 4 teams. I donít like or understand the change. The 4 teams will play each other in a round robin so a total of 3 games per team. The top 2 and best 3 out of the 4 third place teams advance to the quarterfinals. So now the 4 teams that donít advance are done and will only have played 3 games for the entire tournament. The 8 teams will be put into pots and a draw will take place to create the bracket.
I am ok with this part since it adds some interest and might stop some seeding shenanigans. But that also means that the medal winners will now play a total of 6 games instead of 8 for the entire tournament,
Thatís not enough.

Mindozas
04-17-2019, 04:37 AM
I don't like it either. Never liked system with that "2 best 3rd place finishers" or similar formats, when teams can't decide their fate between each other and are dependent on other group. Imagine you are getting USA in your group, you're blew out by some 30, and you're most likely out thnx due to worse points difference just because draw wasn't favorable, fck it. It was great format, with lot of great games, but FIBA needs to show that they are working and as usual fcked up. No doubt they pushed IOC to this idea

JGX
04-18-2019, 01:43 AM
Weak. I guess this gives them more room to push their 3x3 thing.

Are the other "court sports" like volleyball and handball changing their format too? Or just basketball?

usagre
04-18-2019, 01:59 AM
Weak. I guess this gives them more room to push their 3x3 thing.

I hate when people try to reinvent the wheel. I would rather watch women's field hockey or synchronized swimming than 3x3 basketball.

usagre
04-18-2019, 02:09 AM
I have never watched a 3x3 game and I plan on never watching it. The last time I watched anything gimmicky like that was like 30 years ago when I ordered on pay per view a one on one tournament between many of the top NBA draft prospects.
I remember Bo Kimble won it by beating Gary Payton in the final.

Mindozas
04-18-2019, 04:37 AM
Weak. I guess this gives them more room to push their 3x3 thing.

Are the other "court sports" like volleyball and handball changing their format too? Or just basketball?

It seems they are not. Looking at schedule, for teams there will be 5 preliminary round games, then 1/4, 1/2 and final. Like usual

Steadysoul
04-18-2019, 01:03 PM
I want to see it in action before I make any real judgements

JGX
04-19-2019, 03:32 AM
I have never watched a 3x3 game and I plan on never watching it. The last time I watched anything gimmicky like that was like 30 years ago when I ordered on pay per view a one on one tournament between many of the top NBA draft prospects.
I remember Bo Kimble won it by beating Gary Payton in the final.

I remember that. There was a PPV one-on-one matchup between Kareem and Dr. J around that time too, Kareem just backed him down and scored every time. IIRC there was a preliminary tournament won by George Gervin as well? One-on-one is just awful to watch.

The FIBA 3x3 could actually be interesting if it had real players, but FIBA wants to own it and create their own stars. Unfortunately for them, it isn't different enough from regular basketball for anyone to believe that the top 3x3 specialists would beat top pros.

Dtown
04-24-2019, 01:57 AM
Fewer meaningless games, but unlike the world cup we have the nasty best 3rd place team format. Can't really gauge till I see it in action though.

Edit: Odd quirk because of the new schedule, for the first time I can remember the men will not be playing on the last day of the Olympics. Though that's wikipedia, so who knows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics

Mindozas
04-24-2019, 05:14 AM
Fewer meaningless games

Fewer decent games too

Jon_Koncak
04-24-2019, 10:55 AM
Overall for me these are positive changes.I agree that defining the best 3rd team in different groups sucks. On the other hand there'll be less games.A team that reached medal rounds in previous format would have to play 8 games in 14 days.That's a bit of an overkill.With fewer games we could even see NBA teams being less reluctant to let their players compete.

Also the draw after group stage is a nice idea to end the ridiculous tanking,in order to define path and match ups which was so rampant in previous olympics.

usagre
09-16-2019, 07:45 PM
So the good news is with this new FIBA calendar we only have to wait a year instead of two for the next world event.
Looking forward with the new format there is a grand total 26 games as opposed to the 38 of previous years. The idea is starting to grow on me. All games will be meaningful now and with fewer games maybe the top players can have a larger workload and seeing more of the best players is always fine by me.

There will be 4 group games followed by 2 group games and followed by an off day. That’s the cycle for the first round.
Then all 4 quarterfinals are in one day (my favorite day of the tournament.) I already did the time conversion and I will be watching basketball that day from 9pm-10am straight. The semi finals follow an off day and then for the medal day the gold medal game will be played first followed by the Bronze game 6 hours later followed the medal ceremony. And medal day will be on Saturday as opposed to the final day of the Olympics on Sunday. For US fans the Olympic basketball specialty channel has been discontinued since its kind of outdated now with all the Smart TV’s and streaming.
I can’t wait.

reamily
09-17-2019, 02:21 AM
my proposal should be there is a extra game for the 2 worst third place teams...although they get a extra load, its better than seeing them eliminated

soulis79
09-17-2019, 12:32 PM
I don't like the new format. Maybe they want to separate the weakest teams in three groups (Japan, Iran, Nigeria). Maybe NBA and FIBA "advised" IOC for fewer games.

Victorious
12-18-2019, 08:46 AM
This is all fine by me. Less games, means more important games. In that case I would in return have allowed four more teams to compete at the Olympics and qualify directly. Or allow the next best seven teams of the World Cup qualify directly. With no Olympic qualifiers. This makes the World Cup also a lot more interesting. More meaningful games as everything counts.

At the Olympics there would be four groups of four teams and the best two would go through. Three group games, then it's all about knock outs.

TinaJks
02-07-2020, 09:09 AM
I feel this is the first and the last time we see this format ;)

decklego
05-21-2020, 12:29 AM
I donīt like it, but can do nothing about it
there is no reason for this change

Shawshank
06-21-2020, 05:33 PM
It very big chance that worst 3rd place team will be from USA group that will be eliminated because they will lose to Usa by big margin.Most 3rd place teams will have record 1-2 and then if fiba gonna count +- thats just not fair. Also is huge diffrence to have Nigeria or Japan as weakest team in group counting+-/.

Usa,Japan and Australia and France lets imagine such group. One of the Australia and France is not making playoofs.

by old format there were 9 top teams and 3 assian/african/host pushovers .In order not to make 1/4 that one of 9 elite teams should been playing very badly for 5 games.

By new format elite team can be playing well but lose close game by 2pts game against other medal contender and be blown by Usa by 30pts and can be out :) because in other group 3rd place team lost to Spain only by 18...

In new format draw will be way more important than before.And i didnt even talk about second draw after groups.

I dont trust fiba draws after seeing what shamefull draw they put for host China in WC2019.More draws will put more speculations.I would rather see some 'smart ass' team lossing on purpose on basketball court than see 'fiba drawings' twice for same olympic tournament.

Straight forward
06-21-2020, 06:59 PM
Dude, way too early to speculate on a drawing :) I doubt we'll (Lithuania) get screwed 2 tournaments in a row by a draw (and partially FIBA itself). But first of all there's Olympic qualification and Slovenia.

Shawshank
06-21-2020, 11:31 PM
Dude, way too early to speculate on a drawing :) I doubt we'll (Lithuania) get screwed 2 tournaments in a row by a draw (and partially FIBA itself). But first of all there's Olympic qualification and Slovenia.

dude, im talking about new system not ltu nt can you read? :) Making 2 diffrent draws for same only 12 team tournament looks strange idea and counting +- scores against diffrent level teams for me looks illogical , i see one team gonna get burned just because unlucky draw.

Shawshank
06-21-2020, 11:32 PM
Dude, way too early to speculate on a drawing :) I doubt we'll (Lithuania) get screwed 2 tournaments in a row by a draw (and partially FIBA itself). But first of all there's Olympic qualification and Slovenia.

dude, im talking about new system not ltu nt . Making 2 diffrent draws for only 12 team tournament looks strange idea and possibly counting +- scores against diffrent level teams and by that decide who gets eliminated for me sounds even more strange.

I want to see more olympic basketball not less in olympic years when all the best players playing and less lucky/unlucky draws made.Fiba went diffrent way.

Gabe Ball
06-29-2020, 11:30 PM
I agree it's still too early to know, we'll just have to wait and see

yisoo
08-12-2020, 03:10 AM
I don't like it either. run 3 (https://run3ds.com) Never liked system with that "2 best 3rd place finishers" or similar formats, when teams can't decide their fate between each other and are dependent on other groups. Imagine you are getting the USA in your group, you're blowing out by some 30, and you're most likely out thnx due to worse points difference just because the draw wasn't favorable, fc it. It was a great format, with a lot of great games, but FIBA needs to show that they are working and as usual FC ked up. No doubt they pushed IOC to this idea

Your opinion is very clear!!

YodaJD
08-18-2020, 04:12 PM
I agree too, it's to early too early to know, we must wait and see. however here have nice opinions.

Straight forward
10-03-2020, 09:21 AM
David Silver says that it's unlikely that NBA will have a brake during Olympics. It would be huge blow for the Olympics itself. I think Spain would suffer a lot, because Rubio was the main piece for them in 2019 and Lull, Rodriguez are getting washed out. Serbia surely would feel this sharply because BOG is their best player in FIBA, IMO, and Jokic is Jokic, plus Bjelica (but Serbia would still be a good team). I don't see how France would survive without Fournier, Gobert, they do have depth, but those 2 and even such defensive monsters as Ntilikina matters. Lithuania, IMO, would suffer the least from European best teams. Domas and JV are impactful, but, IMO, not vital and we do have solid bigs like Gudaitis, Birutis, Geben, also that means we really beating Slovenia in qualification. If NBA players won't show up, Greece should be in Olympics and they won't miss Giannis all that much, he's not a good fit for FIBA. Americans without NBA players would probably suck at FIBA. G league players and some college studs? If there' no young Durant now (I didn't study all that much really), they are in real trouble. At least the title would be completely open then, and I think Euro powerhouses would go after it.

Also I think knowing this situation with Corona and NBA, there's tons of chances Olympics will take place only in 2022.

Katastroika
10-03-2020, 11:33 AM
We should qualify but we will have a B roster. Which out of some reason feels bad because that could have been a peak of two combined generations. Anyways, as you have said - it can open the path to some epic sensation and overthrowing of USA.

Mindozas
10-03-2020, 12:22 PM
Also I think knowing this situation with Corona and NBA, there's tons of chances Olympics will take place only in 2022.

The last thing I read about the issue few months ago, it was said - 2021 or its cancelled, unless some new info appeared, maybe missed it. Anyway, looks like basketball will suffer the most here. No star players - the prestige of bball tournament would go down drastically, I'm a huge Olympics fan, but I don't even know if I want to see some B-squads competing for such honorable award like Olympic medal, it would be the worst bball Olympic tournament ever, even without NBA pros we used to have best other NTs from around the world. Shitty situation. I hope some solution will be found, still lot of time to go

Straight forward
10-03-2020, 12:32 PM
The last thing I read about the issue few months ago, it was said - 2021 or its cancelled

It would make sense. I see what you mean, but to me it would still be fun to go without NBA players. Still huge entertainment even if not that exciting and special event when absolutely all best athletes come.

madmax
10-03-2020, 04:14 PM
The last thing I read about the issue few months ago, it was said - 2021 or its cancelled, unless some new info appeared, maybe missed it. Anyway, looks like basketball will suffer the most here. No star players - the prestige of bball tournament would go down drastically, I'm a huge Olympics fan, but I don't even know if I want to see some B-squads competing for such honorable award like Olympic medal, it would be the worst bball Olympic tournament ever, even without NBA pros we used to have best other NTs from around the world. Shitty situation. I hope some solution will be found, still lot of time to go

ikr...
as much as I enjoy gruelling FIBA grindfests and this brand of basketball, not having the best players compete would significantly diminish the prestige of the tournament. I probably wouldn't even watch any games at all, that including lithuanian games as well lol. The Olympic basketball event would become the same 3rd rate competition as Olympic football is imo

Victorious
10-10-2020, 12:05 PM
David Silver says that it's unlikely that NBA will have a brake during Olympics. It would be huge blow for the Olympics itself. I think Spain would suffer a lot, because Rubio was the main piece for them in 2019 and Lull, Rodriguez are getting washed out. Serbia surely would feel this sharply because BOG is their best player in FIBA, IMO, and Jokic is Jokic, plus Bjelica (but Serbia would still be a good team). I don't see how France would survive without Fournier, Gobert, they do have depth, but those 2 and even such defensive monsters as Ntilikina matters. Lithuania, IMO, would suffer the least from European best teams. Domas and JV are impactful, but, IMO, not vital and we do have solid bigs like Gudaitis, Birutis, Geben, also that means we really beating Slovenia in qualification. If NBA players won't show up, Greece should be in Olympics and they won't miss Giannis all that much, he's not a good fit for FIBA. Americans without NBA players would probably suck at FIBA. G league players and some college studs? If there' no young Durant now (I didn't study all that much really), they are in real trouble. At least the title would be completely open then, and I think Euro powerhouses would go after it.

Also I think knowing this situation with Corona and NBA, there's tons of chances Olympics will take place only in 2022.

Without NBA players most of the same teams will be strong, but there will be not much difference in level among them.

The biggest loss will be for the USA, Canada, Australia and France. This will impact the medals.
Yet, France, Spain and Serbia will be weaker, but decent enough. These countries still have plenty of talent in Europe.
Greece and Lithuania will gladly sacrifice their NBA players (Giannis, Valanciounas, Sabonis) for the loss of the NBA players of the above mentioned countries.

Chuck Diesel
12-03-2020, 08:06 AM
Think 12 of the top American Euroleaguers (unnaturalized by other countries) could still compete for gold in Tokyo.

Brown/Henry
Loyd/James
Higgins/Hilliard/Barron
Clyburn/Booker (if healthy)
Hines/Reynolds

Baldwin, Mickey, Peters and plenty of others on deck.

Katastroika
12-03-2020, 08:41 AM
Think 12 of the top American Euroleaguers (unnaturalized by other countries) could still compete for gold in Tokyo.

Brown/Henry
Loyd/James
Higgins/Hilliard/Barron
Clyburn/Booker (if healthy)
Hines/Reynolds

Baldwin, Mickey, Peters and plenty of others on deck.

I think that this is a very good team but they wouldn't be the best team in the competition. I think that a more balanced non NBA Finals roster out of NBA playerse is the prefered option of coach Pop. USA had a nominally very solid team in China and looked horrible.

I think best would be a 2010 or 2014 like roster of young extremely talented players that are on the edge of getting superstars. The only one of this category in China was Donovan Mitchell (besides Tatum who had health issues).

ChuckDiesel2
12-13-2020, 06:05 AM
I think that this is a very good team but they wouldn't be the best team in the competition. I think that a more balanced non NBA Finals roster out of NBA playerse is the prefered option of coach Pop. USA had a nominally very solid team in China and looked horrible.

I think best would be a 2010 or 2014 like roster of young extremely talented players that are on the edge of getting superstars. The only one of this category in China was Donovan Mitchell (besides Tatum who had health issues).

Oh I agree, by and large you're going to have a better chance with NBA players than non NBA players. I was mostly trying to take a stab at fielding an all Euroleague Team USA with the best shot to compete for a gold, which I don't think is that far fetched. They might not be the favorites, but if Mike James and Jordan Loyd get hot from deep or Will Clyburn has a timely block or whatever, there's no reason they couldn't be in the mix in the medal rounds. Also, there's a case to be made that 12 Euroleague Americans would have more familiarity with one another than last year's China failure due to the comparatively fewer teams in the league and many of them having been teammates, not to mention their familiarity with the rules, refs and competition.

A repeat of 2010 and 2014 would be ideal, but there were generational talents on those teams. As you said, that wasn't the case in 2019. For me there's a clear line of demarcation where if dudes start catching "dropout fever" again next summer and USA basketball is down to their fifth or sixth options, I think I'd rather roll with Pierra Henry and Othello Hunter than the Colin Sextons and Mitchell Robinsons of the world.

By the way, I was locked out of my account for some reason, hence the new username.

ChuckDiesel2
12-13-2020, 06:39 AM
If USA Basketball can put out any (positionally distributed) 12 of the following 35 players, they should be in really good shape to win gold. After that it starts getting dicey.

PGs
Lillard
Curry
Paul
Morant
Lowry
Irving
VanVleet
Holiday
Young
Brogdon

2’s
Harden
Booker
Beal
Mitchell
LaVine
Westbrook

Wings
Leonard
Butler
Tatum
George
Ingram
Middleton
J. Brown
Covington
Mikal Bridges

Bigs
James
Davis
Durant
Adebayo
Aldridge
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Zion
Griffin
Love
Turner

Katastroika
12-13-2020, 08:58 AM
Yeah, that is a good list. But it depends who of them is coming. It's a difference if James and Davis show up or Turner and Love. Same with Middleton and Brown or Leonard and Tatum. Olympic Gold is very important to Team USA, I am 100% sure there will be a well balanced great team.

Straight forward
03-10-2021, 12:30 PM
On other hand, the game time for those who will be following games lives from Europe...:eek: 6 AM or sometimes even 4 AM...it's a torture...

Mindozas
03-10-2021, 02:30 PM
On other hand, the game time for those who will be following games lives from Europe...:eek: 6 AM or sometimes even 4 AM...it's a torture...

I moved your post to this thread as I think you mean Tokyo Olympics ;)

Overall I agree, times sucks. I remember 2006 World Champ in Japan, there hardly were games at such early time or the same Beijing 2008. You could watch most of the games in the morning or at midday with very few exceptions. Even in Sydney 2000 with even bigger time differences, such late night games were only bronze one and probably opener vs Italy

mojo13
03-11-2021, 04:36 PM
Noticed the other day that the Olympics announced all games will be played without foreign spectators.
Not sure if anyone hear was planning to attend, but that won't happen now.

Hurts some of the countries that travel well or are in closer proximity to Japan as their fans won't be there.

Straight forward
03-16-2021, 04:33 PM
4 FIBA writers give early prediction. Kaunas qualification tournament now happens to be most waited and hardest to predict tournament. All 4 fellows agrees that Canada, Brazil and Serbia are clear favorites to snatch the tickets, while Lithuania and Slovenia each share 2 votes.

Not sure if P. Mills still at the point to be best scorer of Olympics, it's on Bogdanovic or Fournier, IMO.

As for medalists...to me it's USA gold, CANADA silver (some peppers here!) and SERBIA (shouldn't choke 2 times in a raw)

http://www.fiba.basketball/olympics/men/2020/news/way-too-early-predictions-for-the-olympics-who-will-qualify-and-who-will-impress-in-tokyo

Katastroika
03-16-2021, 05:44 PM
4 FIBA writers give early prediction. Kaunas qualification tournament now happens to be most waited and hardest to predict tournament. All 4 fellows agrees that Canada, Brazil and Serbia are clear favorites to snatch the tickets, while Lithuania and Slovenia each share 2 votes.

Not sure if P. Mills still at the point to be best scorer of Olympics, it's on Bogdanovic or Fournier, IMO.

As for medalists...to me it's USA gold, CANADA silver (some peppers here!) and SERBIA (shouldn't choke 2 times in a raw)

http://www.fiba.basketball/olympics/men/2020/news/way-too-early-predictions-for-the-olympics-who-will-qualify-and-who-will-impress-in-tokyo

How the fuck Brazil is favourite in Croatia?! Against Germany and Croatia? I don't see that they are any stronger than those two mentioned especially in Croatia.

Straight forward
03-16-2021, 05:48 PM
How the fuck Brazil is favourite in Croatia?! Against Germany and Croatia? I don't see that they are any stronger than those two mentioned especially in Croatia.

Good point though.

Mindozas
03-16-2021, 05:53 PM
How the fuck Brazil is favourite in Croatia?! Against Germany and Croatia? I don't see that they are any stronger than those two mentioned especially in Croatia.

It's FIBA experts :) I remember original edition of this poll, then two of them had blooper with both Slovenia and Lithuania qualify or smth like that :D After that they changed it, I mean guys didn't even know the system

Toruko
03-16-2021, 07:27 PM
Calm down guys. Its not even clear that the Olympic games will take place. The groups are a bit weird though. Germanys group and Lithuanias group are way too weak and the other two are too strong imo.

mojo13
03-18-2021, 04:29 PM
Yeah Brazil? No, thank you. They have become a fairly aged and decrepit team the last 4 years. I don't see them coming out of that Qualifier at all.


And this guy is a bit of an idiot:

Jeff Taylor: The gloves are coming off! Canada will come out of the Olympic wilderness. Why is this bold, you ask? Because Canada's men are really the great underachievers in international basketball the past two decades. They have all things "under" when it's come to the big moments. They have underwhelmed, underperformed, underachieved while often times being understaffed (i.e, some players haven't shown up for duty). So yes, this is a bold prediction. They'll finally get it right in 2021, with coach Nick Nurse, and beat Greece in the Final to reach Tokyo.


The great underachievers in international basketball the past two decades? WTF is this guy talking about?

The only time I consider we underachieved it is the 2015 FIBA Americas when we were rolling over everyone with very young NBA players - many who turned out to not be too good (Anthony Bennett, Nik Stauskas, and even Andrew Wiggins) - and then got caught by Venezuela.

Other than that I don't think we have ever assembled a team that underachieved. They were just not very good teams...with very little talent. And it is not until the last 5 or 6 years we even had the talent to assemble a decent team. Damn...this guy should really have looked into Canada's talent pool post the Steve Nash era (2000ish) to 2015.

Katastroika
05-21-2021, 07:26 AM
Roster of the Frenchmen came out. Straight Forward will diss me as huge fan of French school but I am really not that impressed. This team is position-wise really good and formidably chosen but lacks creativity except De Colo and somehow less physical than previous French rosters. Will be interesting to seeing them in Japan, though. I have huge respect of their talent, nontheless.

Can't wait to see Spanish roster as World Champion and best European team.

Straight forward
05-21-2021, 10:25 AM
Roster of the Frenchmen came out. Straight Forward will diss me as huge fan of French school but I am really not that impressed. This team is position-wise really good and formidably chosen but lacks creativity except De Colo and somehow less physical than previous French rosters. Will be interesting to seeing them in Japan, though. I have huge respect of their talent, nontheless.

Can't wait to see Spanish roster as World Champion and best European team.

I agree generally. The roster lacks extra spiciness, physicality and creativity. I'm surprised Maledon is not included, it could be related with his NBA career as it's his first off season. I really think he might be more dynamic, aggressive and more dangerous than some of other French guards, I have Albicy, Huertel in my mind firstly. In a longer run, Killian Hayes should bring that elite creativity and smoothness, Maledon will be tough and versatile guard to contain and Victor (can we just call him by the first name? :)) should be a different maker for them after some 4-5 years. Along that they have a deep army of prospects and some of them should be pretty good inevitably. But now I can't jump from my seat when I see Albicy, Huertel. Position 4 is meh. I'm a bit surprised as well.

Shawshank
05-21-2021, 12:46 PM
In early 2010s France Parker and Diaw was better no doubt, but still when I see 6 NBA calibre players on roster that Olympic games semifinal material team.

I can't think of what France could add more to be stronger for this Olympics.Thats there best players to win now.

Creativity will come from Decolo, Fournier,Huertel trio and Gobert will cement their defence as always.

I'm wouldnt be a fan getting them in 1/4.

2019 USA got burned by this roster in 1/4 anybody other easily also can be.

Katastroika
05-21-2021, 01:00 PM
In early 2010s France Parker and Diaw was better no doubt, but still when I see 6 NBA calibre players on roster that Olympic games semifinal material team.

I can't thing of what France could add more to be stronger for this Olympics.Thats there best players to win now.

Creativity will come from Decolo, Fournier,Huertel trio and Gobert will cement their defence as always. Tough out team to beat in one playoofs type game

I think it will be De Colo based game - Fournier is primarily shooter that cannot create that much, he was injured a lot this year but what I've seen Boston uses him for spot up mostly which is his greatest weapon. It was also in World Cup.
Heurtel is not reliable in my opinion after this year, it's a gamble, I like him a lot as player and he left big impression on me in 2014 leading France in semis and playing incredible game against Spain but still, I wouldn't put a such crucial position in his hands in his actual downgoing career. Ntilikina is defensively very good player and played surprisingly active in World Cup and maybe most complementary with De Colo based game...Albicy is solid player, not more.

To me this French team is significantly worse as key players of them are suffering difficult times in their careers, a little uprising of Batum but nothing special, Fournier played well in Boston so far but mostly used as shooter (no wonder with players around him), Heurtel hasn't played at all, as mentioned big men rotation is significantly worse than in Diaw times, there is Rudy (I am no hater, I simply consider him not that good like most people) and overall I think from Big 4 nations in Europe this year they are worst. If I am correct time will tell.

Shawshank
05-21-2021, 01:22 PM
we played them in 2019.

Fournier and Decolo was only ones that was creating (Huertel wasnt playing).

Fournier is way more than just a shooter. He was putting ball on the floor and penetrating inside alot. Fournier made more problems 1 vs 1 for us than Decolo did in 2019.

People dont understand Gobert greatness. He is not just 1 vs 1 defender,his job is way bigger.He is team inside defence just by himself. Best basketball goalkeeper by a mile.

All advance defence stats shows +- stats with gobert in and out from jazz roster. He will win once again defensive player award in nba and make 3rd all nba team. Those nba voters is not voting for europeans multiple times.Only when they were obviuosly better and data back it down.

Gobert was key in 2019 win againts Usa athletes.He was chalenging all penetrations usa tried .

Katastroika
05-21-2021, 02:43 PM
Yeah, but 2019 is two years ago.

I know this stats, I also know he is top 5 in real-plus-minus in all NBA. Doesn't change my opinion about him, I watched him play live 2 times also, most impressive physical appearance I've ever seen and I've seen Marjanovic playing live. And I know all the arguments, that people have fear of penetrating, that he changes conception of opponent's offense etc. I simply think that you are in FIBA basketball there are also downsides on playing Gobert and not just upsides.

Time will tell who is right, I wouldn't be surprised if France faces elimination before semifinals this year.

Hepcat
05-21-2021, 08:30 PM
Speaking of Boban Marjanovic, what is it that coaches don't like about his game? He's just about never given major minutes on the floor.

:confused:

mojo13
05-21-2021, 08:51 PM
Speaking of Boban Marjanovic, what is it that coaches don't like about his game? He's just about never given major minutes on the floor.

:confused:

The main reason he doesn’t start and play more minutes is he is very slow-footed and has trouble getting up and down the court. He has some nice spurts of play, but he just cant sustain that level of play for 20+ minutes. He can’t keep up with the more athletic players and he becomes a huge defensive liability, especially against a big man who can shoot the ball or when switching is needed.

Katastroika
05-21-2021, 08:55 PM
Speaking of Boban Marjanovic, what is it that coaches don't like about his game? He's just about never given major minutes on the floor.

:confused:

Physical constitution. In FIBA you can hide him more because there are no defensive three seconds but issue is the same. If you bring him for 5min stretches and play on him he can cause a lot of trouble but that's it.

Hepcat
05-21-2021, 09:24 PM
Physical constitution.... If you bring him for 5min stretches and play on him he can cause a lot of trouble but that's it.

You mean he has no stamina? With his physique you would think he could/should be a one-man wrecking crew. I see that he's a good foul shooter too.

:confused:

Katastroika
05-21-2021, 09:35 PM
You mean he has no stamina? With his physique you would think he could/should be a one-man wrecking crew. I see that he's a good foul shooter too.

:confused:

I think his stamina is good, he looks like Jean Clauda Van Damme without, no fat, just muscled, and he's a hard worker but his physical appearance doesn't allow him to hedge, to recover, his vertical steps take a second before the next one :)
That's all fine with his shooting, he is really a good shooter and he also covers and challenges a lot better than 3 years ago back to basket (if someone even tries to attack him like that) or facing up at low post but vertical movement is simply too slow and without it you cannot play serious basketball on his position in NBA. You cannot learn it, it's simply like it is, his body is like that.
If opponent is over foul limit you can bring him for a short stretch to cause problems in NBA but as I said that's it.

He is good rebounder (or let's say he grabs a lot of rebounds because he is a head bigger than most centers) but that's all pretty much cherry picking. The negatives prevail by far. At least in NBA. In his last season in zvezda he was one of better EL centers, he played tremendous season. But it was extremely defensively orientated zvezda where everything in defense was installed around him. I don't expect Dallas or someone else to do that, lol.

Hepcat
05-22-2021, 12:01 AM
The main reason he doesnít start and play more minutes is he is very slow-footed and has trouble getting up and down the court.... He canít keep up with the more athletic players and he becomes a huge defensive liability, especially against a big man who can shoot the ball or when switching is needed.


...but vertical movement is simply too slow and without it you cannot play serious basketball on his position in NBA. You cannot learn it, it's simply like it is, his body is like that.

Ahhhhh, so when it comes to running or even jumping he's just too slow.

:(

Hepcat
05-22-2021, 04:09 PM
Of course this all raises the question of how that tub-of-lard Shaquille O'Neal could have been such a big star in the NBA. Yes, a massive body but slow-footed with no shot.

:confused:

Katastroika
05-22-2021, 04:21 PM
I think that comparing Boban and Shaq is really Science-Fiction :)

Anyways, Shaq was a freak of nature and even back then had trouble defending pick and roll when switching all was at the very beginning. In offense he was pretty undefendable when he received the ball at the low post. To me his the most dominant center of the last 30 years, I'd put him even over Hakeem, Dikembe, Ewing and The Admiral. Bad comparison for Boban to be honest, bro :)

Straight forward
05-22-2021, 04:27 PM
Of course this all raises the question of how that tub-of-lard Shaquille O'Neal could have been such a big star in the NBA. Yes, a massive body but slow-footed with no shot.

:confused:

Hepcat, dude...

Hepcat
05-22-2021, 07:17 PM
I didn't say Boban was as good as Shaq. The stats clearly say otherwise. I'm just wondering what it was about Shaq that enabled him to put up the stats. He looked to me like the kind of fellow you'd see at Walmart loading up on Hostess Ding Dongs and not on a basketball court.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/j8Ih-tFvruu3siRK8qZXZhV7R-S0FuX_pHPX8j6XVtuisxRtDX-rVR1IIFtBz6lIXkrPoscyXAObSRKfPO6wwgHWPK4e10TNeBVu8 vrJ7dQPn59d

:confused:

Mindozas
05-23-2021, 08:36 AM
I didn't say Boban was as good as Shaq. The stats clearly say otherwise. I'm just wondering what it was about Shaq that enabled him to put up the stats. He looked to me like the kind of fellow you'd see at Walmart loading up on Hostess Ding Dongs and not on a basketball court.

:confused:

You have hell of the fellows up there in your Wallmart :D I guess you probably just forgot how prime Shaq looked like, how mobile he was for his size, which made him unstoppable. He was freak of nature. Instead browsing stats, you better check some videos on youtube to refresh your memory, it's worth a time :)

ChuckDiesel2
05-23-2021, 09:57 PM
I didn't say Boban was as good as Shaq. The stats clearly say otherwise. I'm just wondering what it was about Shaq that enabled him to put up the stats. He looked to me like the kind of fellow you'd see at Walmart loading up on Hostess Ding Dongs and not on a basketball court.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/j8Ih-tFvruu3siRK8qZXZhV7R-S0FuX_pHPX8j6XVtuisxRtDX-rVR1IIFtBz6lIXkrPoscyXAObSRKfPO6wwgHWPK4e10TNeBVu8 vrJ7dQPn59d

:confused:

You get a lot of Hall of Fame centers at your Walmart? Must be a nice neighborhood.

Hepcat
05-24-2021, 03:38 AM
They're down on their luck I guess.

:(

juli_rc
06-04-2021, 03:40 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3CvINWXoAEIj_N?format=jpg&name=large

reamily
07-12-2021, 06:47 AM
I think people will be bating the 2 best 3rd placer format..

Joesso12
07-12-2021, 07:27 AM
Agree with your statement, it's easy to say once performance of team is checked.
Hope it world be a good event. :P

christodoulou76
07-12-2021, 03:58 PM
I haven't been on IBN for a couple of years. Are there still a lot of people using the forum? Is there any interest in having a prediction game for the Olympics? I am happy to host it if there is. I already updated the spreadsheet. So many fewer games than the WC but a lot of hard ones to predict. Should make for an interesting game.

Andy Capť
07-13-2021, 09:45 AM
I haven't been on the forum for a while as well, but if there is a prediction game like the last Olympics I would like to participate to see if I can do as well as 5 years ago

Joöko Poljak Fan
07-13-2021, 09:50 AM
I haven't been on IBN for a couple of years. Are there still a lot of people using the forum? Is there any interest in having a prediction game for the Olympics? I am happy to host it if there is. I already updated the spreadsheet. So many fewer games than the WC but a lot of hard ones to predict. Should make for an interesting game.
I think there are a lot of posters lurking in the shadows and likely they'll appear during the olympics, just like you and me :)

christodoulou76
07-13-2021, 02:10 PM
I think there are a lot of posters lurking in the shadows and likely they'll appear during the olympics, just like you and me :)

Glad to know there is some interest in the prediction game! Anyone know of any Olympic basketball fantasy games out there? I used to play the Lithuanian one on Krepsinis but I think it has been discontinued.

Levenspiel
07-13-2021, 02:33 PM
I haven't been on IBN for a couple of years. Are there still a lot of people using the forum? Is there any interest in having a prediction game for the Olympics? I am happy to host it if there is. I already updated the spreadsheet. So many fewer games than the WC but a lot of hard ones to predict. Should make for an interesting game.
It would be great actually, christodoulou. I'll move these to a separate thread.

judasmartel
07-13-2021, 02:55 PM
Glad to know there is some interest in the prediction game! Anyone know of any Olympic basketball fantasy games out there? I used to play the Lithuanian one on Krepsinis but I think it has been discontinued.

That would be great. I used to host a prediction game for FIBA Asia 2015 but I haven't actually participated in any prediction game besides that one. I haven't seen a lot of Asian IBNers participating in such games for world-level tournaments, so maybe I can invite my fellowmen from the PBA forums to join this one you will be hosting?

christodoulou76
07-13-2021, 09:15 PM
That would be great. I used to host a prediction game for FIBA Asia 2015 but I haven't actually participated in any prediction game besides that one. I haven't seen a lot of Asian IBNers participating in such games for world-level tournaments, so maybe I can invite my fellowmen from the PBA forums to join this one you will be hosting?

Yes, please invite your friends to join! I'll start the prediction game thread soon.