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robbe
12-08-2007, 06:04 PM
I opened up a new one, as different gameday threads do not really make any sense and the "News"-Thread is rather for signings and rumours purposes, I guess.

ALBA Berlin faced reigning champion Brose Baskets for the second game of day 12 today, winning 60:80 in a game hosted in Nürnberg, despite coming off that already famous quintouple overtime game against Bosna on Tuesday. A real dominant team effort saw them jump on an early first quarter lead, and they never looked back, leading by 26 at one point in the second half. The dynamic backcourt duo of Bobby Brown and Julius Jenkins had 14 and 15 points respectively, while veterans Patrick Femerling (15 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 6/6 shooting) and Goran Nikolic (13 points, 8 rebounds, 5/6 shooting) dominated inside. Dijon Thompson, Aleksandar Rasic, Vujadin Subotic and Dragan Dojcin (though still not at 100%) also added solid contribution, while Mladen Pantic fell a bit off. Bamberg got 19 points from Darren Fenn and 9 from Steffen Hamann, but got dissappointing production from their veteran leaders Predrag Suput and Ademola Okulaja.

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Following is a very short roundup of Bundesliga Basketball so far, for those who do not check the BBL on regular basis.

Alba Berlin leads the table, despite having huge injury worries and suffering several unexpected defeats. With Goran Jeretin out for the season, Michael Bradley unfit and on the train to Lithuania, and leader Dragan Dojcin suffering several injuries, other players had to pick up the slack. Bobby Brown has been a revelation so far at the point, making plays again and again, plus not being afraid of taking - and making - the big shot at the end. Though Brown's high risk playing style has had the fans go crazy sometimes, coach Luka Pavicevic has shown great patience with his young point guard straight out of college. Slasher Julius Jenkins provides a valuable asset on the two spot, bringing high energy to the table night in night out. Dijon Thompson provides offense first and offense only, drawing criticism for his approach to the game on the defensive end. Dragan Dojcin was excellent at the start but has been injured since then, whereas Goran Nikolic started slowly, but has been playing brilliant basketball in the last games. Homecoming veteran center Patrick Femerling has been rock solid all season. ALBA might still be looking for another big man though.

Right on their heels are Artland Dragons Quakenbrück, that sympathic little ballclub coming from a 12.500-peoples-village in north Germany, that had the German basketball world turned upside down this year in may, beating regular season winners ALBA Berlin as the eigth seed in the quarter finals, edging out champion Köln 99ers and going all the way into the finals, where their fell to big favourites Brose Baskets only in four nailbiters. The Dragons have been feeding off some great unselfish point guard play by John Goldsberry. While Lamont McIntosh, Matt Freije and Terrance Thomas have been up and down all season, veteran Swingman Jan Rohdewald has, quite surprisingly, been an excellent contributor on this team. Center Adam Chubb has also been brilliant lately. Darius Hall, on the other hand, is not getting any younger.

Dominating games with their excellent defense at the start of the season, Brose Baskets have been struggling a bit lately, falling to Braunschweig, Quakenbrück and now Berlin. While Predrag Suput does indeed fit in well, Ademola Okulaja has been struggling with his shot selection here and there. Guard play, personified by Steffen Hamann and Demond Greene, has been steady, but not creative enough, to provide point production in the slow, tight halfcourt dominated games, that characterize Broses style of play. After changing half the team last year, the only player that has been cut this year was center Luke Schenscher. A quite costly cut though. Brose is said to have flirted with several scoring swingmen of Luke Jackson pedigree, but nothing official yet. A scorer on the 2/3 spot would definitely do no harm.

Following are the three surprise teams of the season so far: Bayer Giants Leverkusen, with their future still in doubts, have proved all doubting experts wrong. With veterans Nate Fox and Tyron McCoy as their cornerstones and sharp shooting Brendan Winters providing the daggers. New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig have been thrilled by the production of big men Andrew Drevo and Kyle Visser in the paint, whereas allround small forward John Allen and guards Jonathan Levy, Steven Wright and Domonic Jones have also contributed to the teams’ success so far. Ratiopharm Ulm have been climbing lately – without anyone noticing. With brilliant play by underrated small forward Konrad Wysocki and Center Brian Lucas, the usual double double by 1.88m power forward Jeff Gibbs, and explosive backcourt play by US-guards Kyle Bailey and EJ Gallup, Ulm seems to be a legitimate contender for the eighth spot.

Behind sixth-placed Ulm, there is a whole big bunch of teams still searching for their identities. Power Forward and BBL topscorer Derrick Allen has been carrying the Deutsche Bank Skyliners on his back all season. Still, unsteady play by homecoming point guard Pascal Roller, a lack of depth and weak interior defense are the minus points on Murat Didin’s team. Newly structured EWE Baskets Oldenburg have been unstable, depending too much on their outside shooting and suffering from the injury of their starting center, Daniel MacClintock. His replacement, former ALBA Berlin big man Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje has yet to acclimate. Leaders Jason Gardner, Jasmin Perkovic and Rickey Paulding have all had their moments, but none of them has been able to provide constant leadership. Telekom Baskets Bonn have been up and down all season, too, showing signs of great versatility on the defensive end from time to time, but lacking structure, leadership, and especially outside shooting offensively. Point guard Miah Davis has been a huge disappointment, whereas shooting guard Winsome Frazier will be out for two months. Power forward Ronnie Burrell is the biggest offensive threat on this team, but has been lethargic at times. The Köln 99ers started badly, but have been on fire lately, powered by late signing Tobey Bailey, and of course veteran Aleksandar Nadjfeji and allrounder Imanuell McElroy. While shooter Derek Raivio and already released forward Curtis Sumpter have been complete disappointments, and Nenad Sinanovic and Misan Nikagbatse have struggled at times, youngsters Marko Keselj and Yassin Idbihi have provided a great spark off the bench for the 06/07 BBL champion. Eisbären Bremerhaven have been up and down too, mainly due to questionable decision making at the point guard position (Brian Brown), erratic play by shooting guard Tommy Adams, and unstable performances inside. Still, with Nate Funk playing smart basketball and newly acquired Matt Haryasz giving them a huge lift on the five spot, Sakalauskas’ men have finally managed to pick up the slack and look like they can contend for eighth place again. ENBW Ludwigsburg are having a hard time after finishing last regular season as runner up. Ronald Ross has clearly not been able to fit in Jerry Green’s boots, providing shots for himself, but not enough scoring opportunities for his teammates. With veteran Milan Goljovic, youngster Pavelas Cukinas, who was week defensively, but dangerous offensively, gone, and power forward Nate Harris out indefinitely, several younger players have been asked to pick it up. And they are struggling. Walter Tigers Tübingen had been raising a few eyebrows in the offseason, signing center Rasko Katic for a three year contract, resigning swingman AJ Moye and reacquiring power forward Bingo Merriex, who had been a success story here a couple of years ago. With starting point guard Watari Marsh out and some chemistry issues inside the team going on, Walter Tigers have been struggling after a strong start though.

Following are arguably the five teams that will fight for BBL survival this season. Digibu Baskets Paderborn have been hampered by injury to swingman Steven Esterkamp and the unclear status and temporary absence of big man Greg Jenkins. So far, small point guard Tim Black has had to carry all the load – which he has done brilliantly. The Giessen 46ers have had Rouven Roessler firing on all cylinders, but without much success, as they’ve only won three out of eleven. BG Göttingen, the team that was a success story in the second league by playing “guard-terror”, a wild run and gun style of play, personified by several high scoring US-guards and a generally undersized team, started with two wins out of three into the season, but have not been getting anything going lately. Second to last, there is TBB Trier, the team that has been a disaster so far. After releasing several players and finally getting rid of head coach Joe Whelton last week, the Trier fans hope that new coach Yves Defraigne can turn it around with was looks like a quite capable roster. Newcomers Science City Jena have been putting up a good fight here and then, but in the end, what matters is the wins. And one is certainly not enough. With talented power forward Adrian Moss’ escapades making his way out of Thüringen, they turned to Mark Davis, who has been putting up points, but has proved to be playing too selfish at times.

robbe
12-23-2007, 08:21 AM
Bonn (without SG Frazier, but with PF Patrick Flomo making his comeback from a long term knee injury) managed to beat a decimated ALBA Berlin (they missed SF Thompson, G Jeretin, G Simon and G/F Herber) yesterday, behind 20 points by Jason Conley and 14 each by Arthur Kolodziejski and Ronald Burrell. Julius Jenkins' 30 on 11/16 shooting helped keep the game close for all but the last couple of minutes, when Bonn made the big shots while taking advantage of two T's against ALBA also.
Bonn has certainly been revived since moving German PG Johannes Strasser into the starting five (Miah Davis has been looking much more solid coming off the bench) and giving homegrown shooter Arthur Kolodziejski a bigger role on offense. He has averaged 13.7PPG in the last three while almost single-handedly solving Bonn's perimeter problems, opening up the lane for PF Burrell and slashing SF Conley.

Elsewhere:
- Cologne extended its winning streak to five with a win in Frankfurt behind 18 points from Aleksandar Nadjfeji, who is having a spectacular season, averaging 14.2 points, 5.4 rebounds, and 3.6 assists per game
- 39 fourth quarter points couldn't help Artland Dragons Quakenbrück in Ludwigsburg, as they only scored 34 in the first three.
- Oldenburg withstood a Bremerhaven rally in the northern derby, winning 74-70.
- Leverkusen climbed to third place temporarily, having no problems at all with bottom-of-the-table Jena.
- Braunschweig had the expected win over struggling Giessen 46ers
- Göttingen finally managed to pull one off against Walter Tigers Tübingen, who have been a huge disappointment since starting 3-0. I am surprised that nothing has happened here yet.

There is a short break until the 5th of January. As for now, the table is as follows:

1 ALBA BERLIN - 11 3
2 Artland Dragons - 10 4
3 Bayer Giants Leverkusen - 10 4
4 Brose Baskets - 9 4
5 New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig - 9 5
6 Telekom Baskets Bonn - 9 5
7 ratiopharm Ulm - 8 5
8 Köln 99ers - 8 6
9 EWE Baskets Oldenburg - 8 6
10 Eisbären Bremerhaven - 7 6
11 Deutsche Bank SKYLINERS - 6 7
12 EnBW Ludwigsburg - 6 8
13 digibu Baskets - 5 8
14 WALTER Tigers Tübingen - 5 9
15 BG 74 Göttingen - 4 9
16 Giessen 46ers - 4 10
17 TBB Trier - 3 11
18 Science City Jena - 1 13

robbe
01-13-2008, 05:57 PM
Gameday 16


ALBA Berlin earned a hard-fought win over Walter Tigers Tübingen behind Julius Jenkins' 29 points on 11/13 shooting and Dijon Thompson's 16 and 9. Ex-Giessen 46er Patrick Sparks had 25 in his debut for the visting side.
Michael Umeh's 19 points and Rouven Roessler's 18 were not enough for the Giessen 46ers, as Ludwigsburg took the 2 points behind 20 points, 6 rebounds and 7 assists by the once again excellent Brandon Woudstra.
The Telekom Baskets Bonn eased their way to a 77-60 victory in a duell between two of the leagues hottest teams in Cologne against the hosting 99ers. Aleksandar Nadjfeji had 11 for Sascha Obradovic's team, while John Bowler (draining his first 3 threes of the season) and Johannes Strasser paced the visitors with 20 and 13 respectively. Bonn has now won the last five.
Big men Adam Chubb and Chad Prewitt both had double doubles as Artland Dragons Quakenbrück put away Bayer Giants Leverkusen in the final minutes en route to a 86-67 victory. New boy Leon Rodgers contributed 10 and 8 in only 13 minutes of playing time. Eric Taylor had 19 for the visitors.
With league topscorer Derrick Allen having a rather quiet evening, Pascal Roller had 18 and 5 assists in an important Frankfurt road win over Ulm. Dru Joyce's 20 points, 6 rebounds and 7 assists led the hosts.
Branimir Longin (16 points) and his EWE Baskets Oldenburg brought newcomers Science City Jena down to earth with 68-52 away win, after the bottom of the table club had beaten Euroleague participants Bamberg last weekend. Newcomer Jason Miller had 12 and 11 for Jena.
Bamberg finally ended its long drought with a tense 73-71 road win over TBB Trier. Steffen Hamann (20 points) and Robert Garrett (17) paced the visitors, whereas James Gillingham (17) and Caleb Green (16) led the hosts.
Guard Nate Funk made clutch shot after clutch shot in the final minutes, including the game winning three with two seconds to go, to lead the Eisbären Bremerhaven to a much needed win over Digibu Baskets Paderborn. Funk's 15 led the hosts together with Zygimantas Jonusas's 15, while Tim Black added 27 for Paderborn.


1 ALBA BERLIN 16 - 13 - 3
2 Artland Dragons 16 - 12 - 4
3 Telekom Baskets Bonn 16 - 11 - 5
4 Bayer Giants Leverkusen 16 - 11 - 5
5 Brose Baskets 15 - 10 - 5
6 EWE Baskets Oldenburg 16 - 10 - 6
7 New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig 15 - 9 - 6
8 ratiopharm Ulm 15 - 9 - 6
9 Köln 99ers 16 - 9 - 7
10 Deutsche Bank SKYLINERS 15 - 8 - 7
11 Eisbären Bremerhaven 15 - 8 - 7
12 EnBW Ludwigsburg 16 - 7 - 9
13 digibu Baskets 15 - 5 - 10
14 WALTER Tigers Tübingen 16 - 5 - 11
15 BG 74 Göttingen 14 - 4 - 10
16 Giessen 46ers 16 - 4 - 12
17 TBB Trier 16 - 3 - 13
18 Science City Jena 16 - 2 - 14

Trifilli
01-19-2008, 12:28 PM
The Skyliners lost to Paderborn in Frankfurt yesterday, 67-73, and now (the very latest) it's time to realize that something is going wrong in Frankfurt, once again, for the third year in a row.

Didin cannot be compared to the Didin of the 2004/2005 season, he seems to be helpless and chaotic (the highlight was the 6-player mistake vs. Anwil) and often doesn't seem to know what to do when the opponent has a run.

I also don't understand his stance with the big men - I mean, it's perfectly alright to play small ball, not to use classical Centers, etc... but why signing them in the first place then? He could've signed some better perimeter players instead, if he had planned to play that kind of basketball. Now the backcourt is mediocre, there are no decent perimeter bench players, and he leaves his Cs on the bench. No surprise that the Skyliners are in big danger of missing the POs once again.

Another thing that annoys me is the freedom he gives to Evtimov. The kid really has some potential (despite being completely unathletic), but instead of playing clever basketball he jacks up shot after shot, resulting in awful shooting percentages (38.5% 2P, 29.2% 3P in 28:39mpg, 11.9ppg). Yesterday when the game was close it was him once again to miss several crucial shots, I really don't understand why Didin doesn't bench him in such situations, this way he'll never learn that he has to play a different kind of basketball in order to be successful.

There are many more things left to say (about the tragic, albeit cheap Jimmy Hunt; about Allen - as expected - not being able to defend a chair; about De Mellos lack of consistency; about Garris never-ending injury story; about the Skyliners being on a 0-19 run in the ULEB Cup throughout the current and their previous season in that competition;...), but I'm not sure if that team deserves that many words any more. I really don't understand why Frankfurt doesn't manage to build a team with a decent chemistry, a decent coach and a decent roster for three years now - and atm it doesn't seem as if there's much hope left.

robbe
01-20-2008, 02:31 PM
Indeed, Frankfurt has been dissappointing for years now.

After those two finals appearances (including one championship) in '04 and '05, I am totally missing a clear structure. In 05/06 under Sunara, Frankfurt had a overloaded roster and kept on buying everything, even if a signing made no sense at all. They failed to find a successor for Chris Williams and had more quantity than quality on their roster. The following year under Charles Barton was catastrophic too, I remember that year for this guys' amazing transfer policy, seemingly signing combo guards and 3/4 tweeners only. Before this year, I thought things were looking a little better with Didin around, but quite surprisingly for me, he has comitted some awful mistakes that had actually been spoken about on this forum long before the player acquisition started:
1) I remember Trifilli writing again and again before this season that Roller needs another Point Guard right beside him in order to be effective. Something that has not happened. And Roller is nowhere near as effective as he could be.
2) Everybody knows that Derrick Allen, as good a scorer as he is on offense, is an awful interior defender. Add Evtimov and Shtein to that rotation, and you have an interior defense that can be beaten by an empty trash bin. They reacted by bringing Johnson in, but I'm rather not expecting too much there, despite 3.9BPG in the ULEB Cup.
3) Ingame coaching has been, as stated, quite subpar. The 6-man thing is only the highlight.

Trifilli
02-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Alba Berlin - Artland Dragons 39:46 in a fast-paced game at halftime, in which Berlin already led by +10, Artland by +15. The game is kinda entertaining, however there are way too many fast, 1vs1 shots - the scouting (8 assists Alba, 6 Artland) can't be correct, although Alba had a better passing game in the first Quarter, but then completely lost their way.
Alba doesn't play a good defense against Artlands game (which at times reminds of Streetball/Pick-up games), only Femerling is doing a decent job on the defensive end vs. Artlands Chubb. Pavicevic isn't doing a good job there and can be happy that his team got some questionable calls in the first Quarter (especially the ones vs. Prewitt), otherwise things could already be worse.
Playmaking also doesn't look good for Alba, Brown plays clearly scoring-oriented, as a score-first guard, while Rasic didn't show anything yet and can't dictate the rhythm of the game (neither can Brown, Alba played by Artlands rhythm for the biggest part of the first half).
Berlin needs to increase the intensity on the defensive end now, plus find back to the passing game of the first Quarter, otherwise a win might be difficult tonight.

Trifilli
02-03-2008, 06:11 PM
Alba lost to Artland 68:76 in the end. Berlin had some nice plays in the 2nd half, leading to open shots, which they couldn't convert though. In the end every ball went to Jenkins, who had a good game, but forced things too much. Artland also could react pretty well to that tactic, Berlin just lacked ideas and a cool head to find better finishing solutions there.
Key was the weak perimeter D by Berlin though imho, Artland shot 50% from the arc (9/18), and there were several situations when a Dragon took a shot with a defender right in front of him, who left too much room though and didn't challenge the shot.

In addition to that Artland played more clever in the 2nd half (btw, coach Fleming asked for more set play during a timeout in the beginning of the 2nd half :p ) and had a PG who was able to control the game better than the ones of Berlin.

robbe
02-24-2008, 08:49 AM
Bayer Leverkusen sure is making every so called expert look like a fool this season. But after having beaten league leaders ALBA Berlin in the Max-Schmeling-Halle yesterday, one week after winning over champion Bamberg at home, people should stop being surprised. Time to start taking Leverkusen seriously.

ALBA blew an eight-point-lead in the final two minutes and allowed Leverkusen to snatch a 90-93 victory. Point Guard Bobby Brown had 24 but only one assist for ALBA, Julius Jenkins had 22 and Aleksandar Nadjfeji had 13. Bench energizer Brent Bailey had 20 for Leverkusen, while Eric Taylor and the old guy Tyrone "The Cat" McCoy contributed 16 and 14 respectively.

While Leverkusen has taken the league by storm with their fast-paced style, the quite decent results for ALBA can't hide the fact that the team is struggling to close out playoff-calibre opposition, is mediocre on defense, and is playing without real fire. The signing of well-established and defensively potent McElroy and Nadjfeji was aimed at fixing that problem, but ALBA fell back yesterday. Of course the regular season is not what matters, but ALBA have not made the impression of being a good post-season team this year. And the title is the only thing that matters in Berlin, especially after those two blockbuster signings. After already dissapointing in ULEB-Cup competition, playoff failure would make this year a desaster for ALBA.

I personally had been quite impressed by the signings Pavicevic made (Jeretin, Nikolic, Femerling especially) before the season, but the injury to Jeretin has certainly changed things. Bobby Brown looked promising in the beginning, but seems to have changed into a pure shoot-first-guard. The most expensive summer signing, Michael Bradley, turned out to be a bust, and Dragan Dojcin and Goran Nikolic have been battling with injuries.

However, they have all the qualities to make an impact in the playoffs. Let's wait and see. My proposal would be to sign the outstanding 3/4 defender Oluoma Nnamaka from italian LegaB Ferrara (:D ) in order to bring defense, toughness and rebounding, but if I'm correctly informed, they already used all of their roster spots.

Elsewhere, Eddie Basden made a quite promising league debut in Bonn's 73:63 win over Digibu Baskets Paderborn yesterday. Artland Dragons Quakenbrück and EWE Baskets Oldenburg remained in the playoff picture with away wins at Trier and Tübingen, while Braunschweig made no mistakes against bottom-of-the-table Science City Jena.

The current table is as follows:

1 . Artland Dragons 21 17 - 4
2 . ALBA BERLIN 22 17 - 5
3 . Bayer Giants Leverkusen 21 16 - 5
4 . Telekom Baskets Bonn 21 14 - 7
5 . Deutsche Bank SKYLINERS 21 13 - 8
6 . Brose Baskets 18 12 - 6
7 . Köln 99ers 20 12 - 8
8 . New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig 21 12 - 9
9 . EWE Baskets Oldenburg 22 12 - 10
10 . Eisbären Bremerhaven 19 11 - 8
11 . EnBW Ludwigsburg 20 10 - 10
12 . ratiopharm Ulm 20 9 - 11
13 . BG 74 Göttingen 20 7 - 13
14 . digibu Baskets 21 7 - 14
15 . WALTER Tigers Tübingen 21 6 - 15
16 . LTi Giessen 46ers 20 4 - 16
17 . TBB Trier 21 4 - 17
18 . Science City Jena 21 2 - 19

robbe
03-09-2008, 02:44 PM
Yesterday was interesting...

ALBA Berlin lost at home to struggling ratiopharm Ulm ... 90:94. The guests were on a nine game losing streak prior to that game. Horrible defensively, one-on-one action offensively ... Pavicevic must turn the corner, otherwise this season might end in the first round again.

Bonn was looking for rehabilitation from last weekend's heavy defeat at Bamberg and got it in convincing fashion, easily beating Frankfurt Skyliners - a team that is also contending for the eigth and final playoffs spot - in a big, big game on saturday. Eddie Basden had his best game for Bonn so far, while Ronnie Burrell jumped out of his latest slump to go for 19 points and 6 boards. With the first game in the new arena coming closer and closer and the team on course for a playoff spot, things could be worse for Bonn fans right now.

Bamberg's Brose Baskets were defeated by Walter Tigers Tübingen, with Jermaine Anderson being the host's topscorer - a guard who had been released by Bamberg's coach Bauermann last season. Something we will get used to in the future. Expect the league to be full of Bamberg rejects come 2015.

Leverkusen won the other derby in Cologne behind Eric Taylor's 21 points and 12 rebounds. Nedzad Sinanovic had 21 and 9 for Cologne, but the young Bosnian will reportedly be out for the season due to a hand injury. Leverkusen has now not lost for seven games.

League leaders and ULEB-Cup Top16 participants Artland Dragons Quakenbrück blew out Science City Jena. The Dragons sure have developed into one big small club and would not be surprising anyone anymore if they went for the championship this year. They also own the longest current winning streak in the league: 9 games.

1 Artland Dragons 19 4
2 Bayer Giants Leverkusen 18 5
3 ALBA BERLIN 18 6
4 Brose Baskets 15 7
5 Telekom Baskets Bonn 15 8
6 EWE Baskets Oldenburg 13 10
7 Deutsche Bank SKYLINERS 13 11
8 New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig 12 10
9 EnBW Ludwigsburg 12 10
10 Köln 99ers 12 11
11 Eisbären Bremerhaven 11 11
12 ratiopharm Ulm 10 14
13 BG 74 Göttingen 9 13
14 digibu Baskets 8 14
15 WALTER Tigers Tübingen 7 16
16 LTi Giessen 46ers 6 17
17 TBB Trier 5 17
18 Science City Jena 2 21

elaj
03-28-2008, 09:20 PM
Patrick Femerling record holder for caps for the German national team and team captain of ALBA Berlin (1. Budnesliga), has suffered an injury in his left foot in the game against Jena on Thursday. The doctors diagnosed a torn ligament in the ankle. Though Femerling is not going to undergo surgery and will start rehab immediately, it is unsure for how long he will be out of action. The 33-year-old veteran is averaging 11.4 points and 5.2 rebounds for Berlin this season.

rikhardur
03-28-2008, 10:00 PM
Patrick Femerling record holder for caps for the German national team and team captain of ALBA Berlin (1. Budnesliga), has suffered an injury in his left foot in the game against Jena on Thursday. The doctors diagnosed a torn ligament in the ankle. Though Femerling is not going to undergo surgery and will start rehab immediately, it is unsure for how long he will be out of action. The 33-year-old veteran is averaging 11.4 points and 5.2 rebounds for Berlin this season.
First Dirk, now Femerling :rolleyes: Will he be ready for the Olympic qualies I wonder.

robbe
03-31-2008, 01:23 AM
Things are clearling up a bit. There are already some teams that are almost definite playoff participants.

ALBA Berlin had no problems against bottom placed Science City Jena, with Julius Jenkins and Aleksandar Nadjfeji dominating things on the offensive end.

Meanwhile, Brose Baskets got their revenge for Wednesday's blowout loss at Quakenbrück, beating ULEB-Cup Top16 participants by 16 in an intense game at JAKO-Arena. Predrag Suput had 19 points, while Ademola Okulaja contributed for 13 and 9 rebounds.

The team of the moment clearly is EWE Baskets Oldenburg, who snatched its seventh win in a row by beating BG Goettingen behind 20 by Branimir Longin, 16 by Jason Gardner and 15/10/4 by Jasmin Perkovic. Oldenburg, a relatively rich club that has been underarchieving for many seasons, can maybe have a word or two in the post season under coach Predrag Krunic.

Derrick Allen had 37 points and 8 boards in a Frankfurt Skyliners 96-87 overtime win over ENBW Ludwigsburg. Two very important points for the Skyliners, which set them clear two wins above seventh-to-ninth-placed Braunschweig, Cologne and Bremerhaven.

Giessen 46ers finally had a big, big away win, 90:82 at Paderborn. Topscorers were Obie Trotter and Michael Umeh with 19 each.

Nate Funk put Eisbären Bremerhaven on his back and carried the team to victory against Cologne by scoring 30 points on 11 field goal attempts in a clash between two borderline playoff teams. Milko Bjelica's 29 for the visitors were not enough.

Telekom Baskets Bonn had a huge victory over Braunschweig, which cleared them four wins above ninth place. Big Men John Bowler and Ronnie Burrell contributed 21 each for the hosts, while Kyle Visser and Domonic Jones had 16 each for Emir Mutapcic's team. Bonn has a playoff spot in sight and is still planning to play the offseason in the new arena.

Bayer Giants Leverkusen continued their impressive season, even with do-it-all-forward Nate Fox out, by beating Walter Tigers Tübingen 92:77 behind Brent Bailey's 20 points and Eric Taylor's 16. Rasko Katic had 21 and 8 for the visitors.

TBB Trier desperately needed a home win against Ulm, but failed yet again, with Dru Joyce netting 17 for Ulm. Trier is facing relegation, but might be rescued by a wildcard due to some top second-divison-clubs not applying to a BBL licence for next season, probably as they're aware that they do not have the financial abilities.

1 ALBA BERLIN 21 6
2 Bayer Giants Leverkusen 20 6
3 Artland Dragons 19 7
4 Brose Baskets 18 8
5 Telekom Baskets Bonn 17 9
6 EWE Baskets Oldenburg 17 10
7 Deutsche Bank SKYLINERS 16 11
8 Eisbären Bremerhaven 13 13
9 Köln 99ers 13 13
10 New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig 13 13
11 ratiopharm Ulm 13 14
12 EnBW Ludwigsburg 12 14
13 BG 74 Göttingen 11 16
14 digibu Baskets 11 16
15 LTi Giessen 46ers 7 19
16 WALTER Tigers Tübingen 7 19
17 TBB Trier 5 21
18 Science City Jena 4 22

CWILL
03-31-2008, 06:59 PM
I think the first 7 teams should make the play-offs.
But it will be an interesting fight for the last spot. It will be a tough fight between Bremerhaven, Köln, Braunschweig, Ulm and Ludwigsburg.
And even they are in the worst position, I think Ludwigsburg looked very strong against Frankfurt on Saturday and could get that last spot.
If Woudstra would have been able to play, they'd probably have won this match against Frankfurt.

uhg80
04-01-2008, 05:20 AM
I wish you were right about Ludwigsburg, but I'm very sceptical. The recent losses against Oldenburg and especially the one in Frankfurt after being up to 18 points really hurt them, as Woudstra's injury does. Granted, the other teams in the race for the last playoff spot lose as well and it's still all open, but Ludwigsburg still have to face ALBA, Bonn, Leverkusen and the Artland Dragons. They'll probably need 2 wins out of these games, and wins in Tübingen, Göttingen and against Braunschweig are not automatic either.
But then, there's nobody with an easy schedule...

The remaining games of the playoff-contenders:

Bremerhaven:
Record: 13-13 (Home: 8-5. Away: 5-8)
Last ten games: 5-5 (Home: 4-1. Away: 1-4)
Last five: 2-3 (Home: 2-0. Away: 0-3)
vs. Top 7: 2-8
vs. Rivals: 5-2
vs. Bottom: 6-3

@ Ulm
vs. Trier
vs. Leverkusen
@ Jena
vs. Oldenburg
@ Frankfurt
@ Paderborn
vs. Bamberg

Köln:
Record: 13-13 (Home: 8-5. Away: 5-8)
Last ten games: 4-6 (Home: 3-2. Away: 1-4)
Last five: 1-4 (Home: 1-2. Away: 0-2)
vs. Top 7: 4-6
vs. Rivals: 3-4
vs. Bottom: 6-3
(since Nadjfeji, McElroy & Bailey left: 2-6)

vs. Jena
@ Oldenburg
vs. Paderborn
@ Bamberg
vs. Frankfurt
@ Bonn
@ Braunschweig
vs. Tübingen

Braunschweig
Record: 13-13 (Home: 8-6. Away: 5-7)
Last ten games: 4-6 (Home: 2-3. Away: 2-3)
Last five: 1-4 (Home: 0-2. Away: 1-2)
vs. Top 7: 4-7
vs. Rivals: 3-3
vs. Bottom: 6-3

vs. Tübingen
@ Leverkusen
@ Ludwigsburg
vs. Artland
@ Gießen
@ Göttingen
vs. Köln
@ Berlin

Ulm:
Record: 13-14 (Home: 8-5. Away: 5-9)
Last ten games: 4-6 (Home: 2-2. Away: 2-4)
Last five: 4-1 (Home: 2-0. Away: 2-1)
vs. Top 7: 4-7
vs. Rivals: 3-4
vs. Bottom: 6-3

vs. Bremerhaven
@ Jena
vs. Oldenburg
@ Paderborn
vs. Bamberg
@ Tübingen
vs. Bonn

Ludwigsburg:
Record: 12-14 (Home: 9-4. Away: 3-10)
Last ten games: 5-5
Last five: 1-4 (Home: 0-2. Away: 1-2)
vs. Top 7: 2-8
vs. Rivals: 3-4
vs. Bottom: 7-2

vs. Bonn
@ Tübingen
vs. Braunschweig
@ Leverkusen
@ Artland
vs. Berlin
vs. Gießen
@ Göttingen

robbe
04-01-2008, 06:49 AM
Very nice work, uhg80.

I think you need to be something like 19:15 or 18:16 to clinch the final playoff spot. That's going to be tough for Ludwigsburg of course. Quite unfortunate though, the injuries to Woudstra and Harris (long-term) surely didn't help. On paper, this looks like a good team. Though I have the impression (never had the opportunity to watch them this year), that they might have the wrong point guard in Ross.

It's not going to be easy for anyone. Braunschweig has five away games left. Cologne might have beatable opponents at home, but they have four very difficualt away games coming up. Bremerhaven? Tough home games. I don't see them beat Oldenburg, Leverkusen and Bamberg easily. The same goes for Ulm. Winnable away games (still, you often quite often lose those. and anyway, none of those borderline playoff teams is a clear favourite when playing in Giessen, Göttingen, Trier, Tübingen or even Jena), but very tough home games. Who knows? Maybe we are about to whitness a three or four team tie break at 17-17 in the end. I wouldn't rule it out in advance.

uhg80
04-01-2008, 01:43 PM
I'd say the team that manages to claim a 19-15 record will almost certainly reach the playoffs. The remaining schedules for all the 5 teams feature at least 3 or 4 really difficult games, and none of them is basically good enough or on such a roll to win more than 5 of their last games imo. The three team tie at 17-17 you mentioned is even quite a realistic scenario.

Your impression about Ross is mostly correct btw. He's never been able to run the team throughout the whole season. He's not even a good passer, especially when you look at his post-entry passes. Woudstra could help to overcome those deficits, but with him out, they again appear again. Woudstra could run the pick and roll, feed the big man, drive and dish, so Ross just had to bring the ball and score.
Schaffartzik has really improved, but he clearly is a high-volume outside shooter and not a distributer.
Furthermore, Ludwigsburg has a gaping hole at the small forward position offensively. Yarbrough and Dourisseau are both very good defenders, but completely harmless on the other end of the court.
And third, there's no depth at center. Nascimento can be one of the 3 best centers in the league, but he is constantly in foul trouble. Collins is an amazing athlete, but he lacks...errr...skills, fundamentals, weight, defense and basically a position.

CWILL
04-02-2008, 09:47 AM
Furthermore, Ludwigsburg has a gaping hole at the small forward position offensively. Yarbrough and Dourisseau are both very good defenders, but completely harmless on the other end of the court.

I never understood why Ludwigsburg didn't want to keep Gordon Scott?!?

To me Ross is more of a SG than a PG. In Frankfurt he was really almost unstoppable. But robbe and uhg80 are right, he is not good in decision making and more a one-on-one player.
Schaffartzik really improved! But still his shooting percentage is not that good and he still prefers the shot from down the arc too much (94 of 127 shots he took were 3s...).
It really hurts Ludwigsburg bad that Woudstra is out. He's not only the best of those three guards, but he helps to overshadow the weaknesses of Ross and Heiko.

I'm really curious who will gain that last play-off spot.
It's very hard to predict, cause as uhg80 has shown, all teams have a difficult schedule.
Cologne looks to me like the weakest team. Ever since they lost McElroy and Nadjfeji, they are not that good anymore.
To me Braunschweig is a bit overrated. They got a decent starting five, but their bench is not good enough.
I would not be surprised if Ulm could clinch that last spot. Remember they had that 8 or 9 game losing streak in the middle of the season. That's the only reason why they had to left the play-off spots. Ulm is usually strong at home and they are going to face 4 possible play-off contenders. If they manage to win at least 2 or 3 of those games and defeat Jena, Paderborn and Tübingen on the road, they should make it.
But you have to doubt wheather Dru Joyce, who had some tremendous performances, can really replace Kyle Bailey. Bailey left the team and Joyce is now their only PG. So if you manage to guard Joyce or get him into foul trouble, Ulm will have big problems on the PG position. EJ Gallup's ballhandling is not good enough to fill that gap. They even tried to let Jeff Gibbs play that part. And surprisingly he didn't look too bad... :eek:

uhg80
04-03-2008, 12:04 AM
I never understood why Ludwigsburg didn't want to keep Gordon Scott?!?

The rumor that always occurs is that Scott simply asked for too much money, using an offer by the Skyliners as a threat. In the end, his speculation backfired, leaving him without a contract at all (until he signed with Kirchheim). This is at least what his wife's cab driver likes to tell ;)


I would not be surprised if Ulm could clinch that last spot. Remember they had that 8 or 9 game losing streak in the middle of the season. That's the only reason why they had to left the play-off spots. Ulm is usually strong at home and they are going to face 4 possible play-off contenders. If they manage to win at least 2 or 3 of those games and defeat Jena, Paderborn and Tübingen on the road, they should make it.
But you have to doubt wheather Dru Joyce, who had some tremendous performances, can really replace Kyle Bailey. Bailey left the team and Joyce is now their only PG. So if you manage to guard Joyce or get him into foul trouble, Ulm will have big problems on the PG position. EJ Gallup's ballhandling is not good enough to fill that gap. They even tried to let Jeff Gibbs play that part. And surprisingly he didn't look too bad... :eek:

I agree, Ulm could be the unexpected playoff team. They are the best rebounding team in the league and remember that 2 thirds of the games during their 9 game losing streak were on opponent's court. I also tend to believe that the release of Bailey might have helped them in terms of chemistry. True, Joyce really blossomed, but there's simply no back-up for him left.

CWILL
04-06-2008, 11:04 AM
Ulm loses at home against Bremerhaven 75 : 82 (http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/content_new/stats/game/print_game.php?spiel_id=4912)

Ludwigsburg really seems to be out of the race. They lose at home against Bonn74 : 82 (http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/content_new/stats/game/print_game.php?spiel_id=4917)
Even though Brandon Woudstra returned and was their topscrer with 14 points, the american guard had 6 turnovers and didn't seem to help his team that much.
Bonn's Edward Basden led all scorers with 17 points. He also had 5 rebounds and 5 steals.

Easy wins for Cologne and Braunschweig. The 99ers won against Jena 99 : 84 (http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/content_new/stats/game/print_game.php?spiel_id=4914) and Braunschweig won at home against Tübingen 92 : 66 (http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/content_new/stats/game/print_game.php?spiel_id=4913)

Skyliners Frankfurt had a big overtime win in Artland. They won 75 : 87 (http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/content_new/stats/game/print_game.php?spiel_id=4916) and look like a clear play-off team now. Pascal Roller had a huge game scoring a season high 26 points.

At the bottom of the table Trier fights to keep hope alive. Surprisingly they defeated Leverkusen at their homecourt 92 : 83 (http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/content_new/stats/game/print_game.php?spiel_id=4918). Mike Benton had a great game: 28 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks.

But Trier's win was overshadowed by Gießen's surprising win at home against Bamberg. Micheal Umeh scored 32 points in a 71 : 64 (http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/content_new/stats/game/print_game.php?spiel_id=4915) win.
Looks like Tübingen could get into a lot of trouble.
Just chek their schedule:
Ludwigsburg
@ Artland
Gießen
@ Göttingen
Ulm
Berlin
@Cologne

1 Berlin 42:12
2 Leverkusen 40:14
3 Quakenbrück 38:16
4 Bamberg 36:18
5 Bonn 36:18
6 Oldenburg 34:20
7 Frankfurt 34:22
8 Bremerhaven 28:26
9 Köln 28:26
10 Braunschweig 28:26
11 Ulm 26:30
12 Ludwigsburg 24:30
13 Göttingen 22:32
14 Paderborn 22:32
15 Gießen 16:38
16 Tübingen 14:40
17 Trier 12:42
18 Jena 8:46

Trifilli
04-19-2008, 09:25 AM
Finally a BBL Free-TV game yesterday again, the first one this season (live on Eurosport) - the Skyliners beat Alba Berlin 74:58 (http://www.basketball-bundesliga.de/scouting.php?menuid=329&topmenu=3&keepmenu=inactive&wettbewerb=1&spiel_id=4940).

The Skyliners started much better into the game, with more passion and an amazing Derrick Allen, who scored 11 of his 19pts in the first Quarter. In addition to that Archibong made a good defensive job on Jenkins (while the Skyliners finally played a good defense in general, switching on the screens and playing a good 3-2 zone lateron) and Roller set the pace of the game, so Frankfurt led 22-9 after the first Quarter.
In the 2nd Berlin had Allen under control, he didn't score a single bucket in that Quarter, but some other guys stepped up instead and Berlin still didn't look good on the offensive end. Especially Thompson is way too one-dimensional imo, Frankfurt had the midget (no offense) Roller defending him for quite some stretches, as Archibong played against Jenkins, and still he couldn't produce anything in the post, despite his more than 20cm height advantage. He's really a pure fae to the basket player, if he's on fire he can decide games on his own, if not he's useless, also on the defensive end.

Frankfurt completely controlled Berlin under the rim in the entire first half, allowed only 4 2PFGs, while Berlins first 15 points came off 5 threepointers. It was obvious that Berlin really missed Femerling down low. At halftime Frankfurt led 38-24, but as usual returned to the court asleep and allowed Berlin a huge run - during which Berlins PG Brown spent the most time on the bench interestingly. Allen still had difficulties to score and Evtimov shined with terrible shooting percentages for yet another game, while Jenkins scored a lot in the 3rd Quarter (Didin left Archibong on the bench in the beginning of the 2nd half for quite some time, which proved to be a mistake), and so Alba was back to -5 after the 3rd Quarter, when the score was 49-45 for the Skyliners.

But as bad the Skyliners always play in the 3rd Quarter, as good they return in the 4th. They began the quarter with a small run and when Berlins coach Pavicevic was called for a technical foul after complaining (he was warned several times before) about a Nikolic foul on Allen, and the latter sank all 4 FTs, things began to look difficult for Berlin. Thompson could only convert one out of 3 triples, McElroy had problems at the charity stripe, while the Skyliners continued to score, with Roller and McKinney carrying the team. So in the end the Skyliners came up with a comfortable 74:58 win over first-placed Alba Berlin.

Alba really looked bad on the 1 and 5 positions. Brown really can't set the rhythm of a game, he's a decent scorer, but he's not a good PG - Frankfurts Roller looked so much better than him in setting up the game, despite logging only 1 assist. It's good for Berlin to have creative SGs like Jenkins and McElroy, but they can't make up for the lack of a good PG. And on C Berlin had problems as well, both in scoring and on the defensive end. They only had Nadjfeji there, as Nikolic, Thompson and Dojcin all prefered to play a more perimeter-oriented game.
I believe that the problems on the C position will be solved with the return of Femerling, but the main concern for Alba should stay the PG position. Rasic should help as well there when he returns, but so far he didn't show that much either yet this season, and I still don't understand why Berlin closed the door for a possible return of Jeretin or at least replaced him with a more experienced PG. The team is set up well in general, but the weakness on the PG spot might well hurt them later this season. Other than that they're still the fav for the championship, despite this loss.

As for Frankfurt: they clearly have a momentum, they won 7 games in a row, ensured a playoff berth and are the hottest team in the BBL atm. The question will be however, if they can stretch that momentum into the playoffs, and how far they can still rise in the standings - they're one win away from 4th place, while even the 3rd place is a (unlikely) possibility. There are still too many question marks in their game though, to call them a contender already. Evtimov does a lot of things during the game, but his shooting percentages are awful and his decision making isn't much better at times. There's no serious backup for Roller, and Allen also plays almost the entire game most of the time (37mpg). I hope that tiredness won't be an issue for Frankfurt in the playoffs therefore.

CWILL
04-19-2008, 12:55 PM
@Trifilli: Great analysis!
I've seen the game live in the arena yesterday and I agree in every single detail with you.

Alba Berlin really missed Femerling yesterday and a PG to control the game.
As you mentioned, neither Brown nor McElroy could lead the team.
Still I see them as the #1 team to win the title. Though on PG position they look not that reliable.

Frankfurt looks really hot now. Only Oldenburg who just managed to get their 10th win in a row looks as good right now.
Roller really plays his best season so far. After coming back from his injury in January, he really played amazing and is doubtless the best german PG at the moment.
What really maked me wonder is the decent defense Frankfurt plays.
With Roller in the liny-up, they got apossible mis-match on the court. Usually Roller defends the opponent's SF - and still no team could really take benefit from that.
Allen is not even an average defender and Evtimov has fast hands and gets a steal now and then, but he looks too slow sometimes.
So there is really almost only McKinney, who defends quite good at times to play as good defense as Archibong, who is clearly their best defensive player.

Frankfurt's biggest nightmare would it be, if Roller gets injured. Because Jimmie Hunt and McKinney are unable to play PG on the level Roller does.

It should be very interesting how far Frankfurt can go in the play-offs.
Yet it looks like they could be a big surprise.

Trifilli
04-20-2008, 09:01 AM
@Trifilli: Great analysis!

Thanks, mate :)


Roller really plays his best season so far. After coming back from his injury in January, he really played amazing and is doubtless the best german PG at the moment.

Yes, I agree. Btw, isn't it interesting that Germany played its best basketball, reaching the Eurobasket Final 2005, with Roller playing as main PG, logging more minutes (26.4mpg) than anybody else on the team except for Nowitzki, while Hamann was missing? At the same time he wasn't on the team 2003, when Germany finished 9th, and had only limited roles on the 2006 (15.3mpg, 3rd PG) & 2007 (7.7mpg, 3rd PG) teams, which didn't play as well as the 2005 team. That should give Bauermann something to think about - Pascal Roller in this shape should easily be selected over Hamann or Demirel.


What really maked me wonder is the decent defense Frankfurt plays.
With Roller in the liny-up, they got apossible mis-match on the court. Usually Roller defends the opponent's SF - and still no team could really take benefit from that.
Allen is not even an average defender and Evtimov has fast hands and gets a steal now and then, but he looks too slow sometimes.
So there is really almost only McKinney, who defends quite good at times to play as good defense as Archibong, who is clearly their best defensive player.

Yes, somehow they manage to play decent defense recently, although most of the Skyliners players defensive skills range from average defender to not existant (Allen :p ). Didin is doing a much better job there than it looked like in the beginning of the season, he really developed a defensive game which seems to work.


Frankfurt's biggest nightmare would it be, if Roller gets injured. Because Jimmie Hunt and McKinney are unable to play PG on the level Roller does.

Let's really hope that this won't happen, without Roller the Skyliners are lost. They should sign a good 2nd PG for next season, to avoid that problem in the future, also given Rollers recent injury history.


It should be very interesting how far Frankfurt can go in the play-offs.
Yet it looks like they could be a big surprise.

I wouldn't say no to another Euroleague season :p :D , but for now Alba is still the fav for me, altough I'll hope for the Skyliners to take it all again of course.

Booker-T
04-24-2008, 12:50 PM
Alba really looked bad on the 1 and 5 positions. Brown really can't set the rhythm of a game, he's a decent scorer, but he's not a good PG - Frankfurts Roller looked so much better than him in setting up the game, despite logging only 1 assist. It's good for Berlin to have creative SGs like Jenkins and McElroy, but they can't make up for the lack of a good PG. And on C Berlin had problems as well, both in scoring and on the defensive end. They only had Nadjfeji there, as Nikolic, Thompson and Dojcin all prefered to play a more perimeter-oriented game.
I believe that the problems on the C position will be solved with the return of Femerling, but the main concern for Alba should stay the PG position. Rasic should help as well there when he returns, but so far he didn't show that much either yet this season, and I still don't understand why Berlin closed the door for a possible return of Jeretin or at least replaced him with a more experienced PG. The team is set up well in general, but the weakness on the PG spot might well hurt them later this season. Other than that they're still the fav for the championship, despite this loss.

Bobby Brown:
Though you are right concerning his game in Frankfurt I think Brown can set the rhythm of a game. Actually he showed that again in the last two games (vs Bonn, @Ludwigsburg), and already in other previous games. On the other hand Pavicevic has restructured Alba's game after Jeretin's injury and is depending even more than he probably intended before not only on the pg but also on the sg, sf and pf (!) to control the game in offense. Still in other games Brown didn't concentrate on scoring so much but on keeping control of the game and dishing out assists. Obviously his style is not as controlling or floor general-like as Roller's is. But that is not a real problem. His main problem is the lack of stability in his game and that he is shooting too much in some games.

Goran Jeretin:
Alba closed the door for Jeretin's return when they hired McIntosh (edit: noooo, McElroy! ;) ) and Nadjfeji from the bankrupt Köln 99ers in February 2008. Before that they counted on Jeretin's return. I'm sure nobody at Alba thougt they would (have to) hire (the full contingent of) four new players during the season. That's what probably led to their first mistake: Not formally nominating him for the team before the season (probably for financial reasons) but planning to "re-" nominate him (using one of the four available slots) when he would have recovered. The second mistake was hiring Slavko Stefanovic (as the second new player during the season after Sasha Rasic in November 2007) in December 2007, an All-Star from a more or less mediocre league (the serbian) who didn't meet up to any of the expectations Alba set in him. For him Alba used the roster-slot that later they would have needed to bring back Jeretin. When in February Alba had the chance to get Mac and Pista in their roster they imho had to grab it - though with these two the last two free slots were taken.

Sasha Rasic:
I think he will play a significant role in the post-season. He is the type of game-controlling pg that you need against certain teams. Though in the BBL he's not able to control the ball 100% against every young, athletic (college) guard that is set against him. And of course - like Brown - he still lacks some experience. But he's a great european player - and he's got steady nerves, in crunchtime or whenever a leader (or a 3p- or free-throw-shooter) is needed.

Trifilli
04-24-2008, 02:56 PM
Bobby Brown:
Though you are right concerning his game in Frankfurt I think Brown can set the rhythm of a game. Actually he showed that again in the last two games (vs Bonn, @Ludwigsburg), and already in other previous games. On the other hand Pavicevic has restructured Alba's game after Jeretin's injury and is depending even more than he probably intended before not only on the pg but also on the sg, sf and pf (!) to control the game in offense. Still in other games Brown didn't concentrate on scoring so much but on keeping control of the game and dishing out assists. Obviously his style is not as controlling or floor general-like as Roller's is. But that is not a real problem. His main problem is the lack of stability in his game and that he is shooting too much in some games.

The game in Frankfurt was exceptionally bad, but he's not that great in other games either. I've not seen every single Alba game this year, but enough (~10) to come to the conclusion, that Albas weakest spot is the PG spot and Brown. The team is winning because the rest of the roster is great for BBL standards, and because Alba has creative wings (like I and you said before) in McElroy and Jenkins. But let's be honest: this teams goal can't be just to win, they have to win in a convincing manner, and they had to reach the next round in the ULEB Cup. And for me Bobby Brown is one of the main reasons why this didn't happen, despite good stats, despite being a very good scorer. He just can't organize the game, he fails to create a structure, to dictate the rhythm of the game. And I don't think that a ballclub like Alba Berlin should take Ludwigsburg, Bonn or the likes as a measure (no offense to the fans of those teams, I include Frankfurt as well here), they need to aim higher with their potential. I stick with it: Bobby Brown may be a good backup PG for Alba, like it was initially planned, but he can't carry that team yet.


Goran Jeretin:
Alba closed the door for Jeretin's return when they hired McIntosh and Nadjfeji from the bankrupt Köln 99ers in February 2008. Before that they counted on Jeretin's return. I'm sure nobody at Alba thougt they would (have to) hire (the full contingent of) four new players during the season. That's what probably led to their first mistake: Not formally nominating him for the team before the season (probably for financial reasons) but planning to "re-" nominate him (using one of the four places) when he would have recovered. The second mistake was hiring Slavko Stefanovic (as the second new player during the season after Sasha Rasic in November 2007) in December 2007, an All-Star from a more or less mediocre league (the serbian) who didn't meet up to any of the expectations Alba set in him. For him Alba used the roster-place that later they needed to bring back Jeretin. When in February Alba had the chance to get Mac and Pista in their roster they imho had to grab it - though with these two the last two free roster places were taken.

McElroy :p This is all fine and nice, and I agree with you in everything here, but what I still don't get is why he wasn't officially added to the roster before the season? It wouldn't have costed something for Alba to do that. I still can't believe that they committed such a mistake...


Sasha Rasic:
I think he will play a significant role in the post-season. He is the type of game-controlling pg that you need against certain teams. Though in the BBL he's not able to control the ball 100% against every young, athletic (college) guard that is set against him. And of course - like Brown - he still lacks some experience. But he's a great european player - and he's got steady nerves, in crunchtime or whenever a leader (or a 3p- or free-throw-shooter) is needed.

I already like him more than Brown in terms of organizing the game, of setting a rhythm. He sometimes tends to be extremely passive though - paired with his inexperience that can harm the team at times, although he sure has the potential to become a very good PG in the future.

But overall there can be only one goal for Alba with this roster, budget, infrastructure, fanbase: winning the championship, returning to the EL, building a Top16 team. Everything else would be a failure in my eyes, a club like Alba needs to aim high - and I think they need to add another (better, more experienced) PG next season to make another step into that direction.

robbe
04-24-2008, 03:29 PM
I still can't believe that they committed such a mistake...
I cannot believe that either. I know it is true, but this is just unacceptable for such a big and ambitious ballclub. When I first read about it, I thought folks were joking.

ALBA was an excellently organised club for a long time and for me, supporting Bonn, in many areas (not only success in basketball games) some kind of goal that my own team should try to reach. Which doesn't mean I wasn't satisfied, Bonn is and has always been a very well run small club. Speaking of ALBA, from what one has been hearing and reading, this once marvellous image is certainly beginning to blanch. Those kind of mistakes only contribute to that.

Booker-T
04-24-2008, 10:42 PM
:eek: :o sorry, (I-)Mac! ;)

It wouldn't have costed something for Alba to do that.
I am not so sure about that, we can only speculate, I guess.
It's easy to call it a flagrant mistake *today*. But the perspective then was different. And there may have been reasons we simply don't know. But don't get me wrong, a mistake it was for sure.

And sure Alba has to hire an experienced pg next season. Like Jeretin is one. Nobody, I think at least the people at Alba, doubts that.

robbe
04-25-2008, 02:03 PM
I haven't seen too much of German basketball this season, but a few games nevertheless. And the last seasons of course. Just thought I'd write my opinion about some players that are catching the eye either by their good stats or other attibutes. Maybe some of them could once make an impact in Europe. They're few and far between usually, but former BBL-players like Kasun, Kaukenas, Goree, Mallet, Nelson, Eidson, Collins and Price have made their way in Europe. I didn't include the likes of Roller, Hamann, Femerling, Nikolic, Nadjfeji, Rasic, Garrett, Greene and others who are rather well-known players, but a few players out of the big mass of US-imports instead, who nobody really can keep track with, if he's not following the league on a regular basis.

Julius Jenkins (ALBA Berlin - 1981 - 1.86m - SG - US)
Regular season MVP and first offensive option on ALBA Berlin. An explosive slasher, but also possesses a smooth and dangerous perimeter jumpshot. Unstoppable in the open floor, very good in one-on-one action on both ends, but still not a player who will destroy his team by playing for himself too much. Was once Belgian league topscorer for Euphony Basket Bree and had big games in the ULEB-Cup for them.

Imanuell McElroy (ALBA Berlin - 1980 - 1.94m - SG - US)
One of the leagues best players over the years. Good allrounder, outstanding defender. He's like a poor man's JR Holden on defense. Likes to put a load of pressure on the opposite primary ballhandler. Quite an athlete, very efficient cleaning the boards, but his jumpshot is way below average. However, I could see him playing the role of pure stopper for about 10-15 minutes a game on low-to-middle-class Euroleague teams. But I guess he has found his niche in the BBL and will stay here for another 2,3 years.

Tim Black (Digibu Baskets Paderborn - 1981 - 1.78m - PG - US)
Topscorer of this league, putting points on the scoreboard '(21.2 per game), while also dishing out close to 4 assists each game for small team Paderborn Baskets. I don't want to downplay this as this is hard enough to do, but in my opinion he's exactly where he belongs: do-it-all-PG on a small team. He's a big help for them, but not suitable for bigger clubs.

Derrick Allen (DB Frankfurt Skyliners - 1980 - 2.04m - PF - US)
2nd best scorer in the league, averaging 20.2PPG on more than 50% shooting for this seasons late bloomers, Frankfurt Skyliners. He's got great hands, is automatic from midrange and possesses great mobility for a four. But his catastrophic defense is exactly why he's very slow climbing up the career ladder (played at small German clubs Karlsruhe and Leverkusen before), and will always be a no-go for bigger clubs. Additionally, one sometimes gets a bit of an impression that he's playing his own game.

John Bowler (Telekom Baskets Bonn - 1984 - 2.02m - C - US)
An undersized center who doesn't exactly look as though he is in great shape, but still possesses surprising mobility. Pretty good, sometimes unconventional lowpost-moves (uses only his right hand exclusively though) and can hit the occasional three, but not the greatest of defenders naturally and still lacks decision making sometimes, which his relatively young age could be held as an excuse for. Workhorse, fan-favourite, has found his niche, too. His physical attributes keep him from going for bigger things in Europe.

Jeff Gibbs (ratiopharm Ulm - 1980 - 1.88 - PF - US)
The same could be said about this guy, but Gibbs is really taking it to the extremes. Truly a phenomenon in German basketball, not only playing power forward at 188 centimeters, but also dominating the rebounding category in the BBL over the last three years. This man has been proving all his doubters wrong from the moment he arrived in the German 2nd division back in 2004. Apart from the rebounding, knows how to finish around the rim, even with contact, can drain the triple, and blocks shots on the other ends due to good coordination, excellent leaping ability and ultra-long arms. I really would like to see him compete on a higher level, that would be interesting. But I guess in the end, teams shy away due to his lack of size.

Adam Chubb (Artland Dragons Quakenbrück - 1981 - 2.08m - C - US)
Didn't arrive with a bang in Germany three years ago, but has surely improved over the years playing for three different clubs (Giessen, Bremerhaven, Quakenbrück) to become one of the premier centers in the league, if not the best. He was a pure banger three years ago, a power player who crashed the boards and scored off hustle plays and dishes by the small guys. Now he's pretty complete, good movement, up and improving lowpost game, good body (that's what Philip said, wasn't it? You must have good body. He was right). Crushed some teams, including Triumph, in the ULEB-Cup. Has one more year on his contract. But I believe after that at the very latest, he'll move on.

John Goldsberry (Artland Dragons Quakenbrück - 1982 - 1.92m - PG - US)
The other end of Artlands 1-5 Axis. A floor general who had a good season in Leverkusen before getting a contract with Chris Flemings team. Good three-point-shooter, but looks for the pass first, sets the tempo quite well. Averages only 7.53PPG, 1.4RPG, 4.0APG - but do not let that fool you. In my opinion the best point guard this season.

Jason Gardner (EWE Baskets Oldenburg - 1980 - 1.78m - PG - US)
Had considerable success as the leader of Telekom Baskets Bonn last year, earned a big paycheck at Oldenburg (the team that had been throwing money out of the window for multiple consecutive seasons) as a reward, but has been a bit of a disappointment thus far. Isn't capable of running the pick and roll. More of a scorer instead. Can hit tough shots when he's hot, and will do so if they're given to him in the crunch time. Defends quite well. Bit disappointing though, considering he was a real college standout, leading Arizona along with Richard Jefferson, Gilbert Arenas, Loren Woods and Michael Wright as the starting point guard to the NCAA final.

Brandon Woudstra (ENBW Ludwigsburg - 1980 - 1.93m - SG - US)
A play-making shooting guard, who runs the pick and roll very well, is an excellent passer, outstanding shooter on this level and possesses all the basketball smarts. Leads his team in all the three big categories, but he's not one who likes the one-man-show by any means. However, his defense is rather mediocre. The sole reason why Ludwigsburg was in playoff contention for a long time this season. Desperately wanted to see him on my team for this year in the summer, but didn't happen. Damn.

Vincent Yarbrough (ENBW Ludwigsburg - 1981 - 2.01m - SF - US)
Made the transformation from allrounder to defensive specialist at Bamberg last year. It took a while, but when the season drew to a close, he was one of the factors for Bauermanns team winning the championship. Very good movement, defense is outstanding, while his offense is shockingly unstable. He actually has all the tools to be a good offensive player, but it isn't happening.

Bobby Brown (ALBA Berlin - 1984 - 1.88m - PG)
He was quite a revelation in the first quarter of the season, when he was putting up leader-numbers while everyone was expecting a big time replacement for the injured Goran Jeretin. He actually made plays for everyone - himself, and those around him. Turned a bit egoistic thereafter, is still unable to organise things, commits a whole lot of mistakes, and lacks effort on defense, where opposing guards can do whatever they desire. Don't get me wrong, that's okay for a young american rookie-PG, but I don't understand why HC Pavicevic sticks with this guy. And the stats are definitely misleading.

Dijon Thompson (ALBA Berlin - 1983 - 2.01m - SF/PF)
Big disappointment for ALBA Berlin so far. Has been okay on offense, but is lethargic at times and lacks just about everything on the defensive end of the floor. Taking under consideration the high expectations and the money he probably makes - a bust. I think ALBA will get rid of him in the offseason.

Trifilli
04-25-2008, 04:15 PM
Very good analysis, not much to add. http://forums.interbasket.net/images/icons/icon14.gif

I especially agree about Goldsberry, he - followed by Roller, who has a great 2nd part of the season - should be the best BBL PG this season. Derrick Allen really doesn't play D, Frankfurt somehow managed to make up for that in the last few weeks, but it's obvious that Jenkins selection as MVP over Allen was deserved because of that reason, while I'd have given Allen the "Best Offensive Player" award instead of giving that one to Jenkins as well.

Gruebler
05-28-2008, 11:46 AM
I really can't add much to robbes excellent analysis of Americans in the BBL but some thoughts about the Berlin guys.

Dijon Thompson got himself released due to lack of professional behaviour just some weeks before the playoffs. With his L.A. buddy out of the team, Bobby Brown suddenly started again to improve as a real PG. And it kind of appears as having Thompson on the roster prevented Alba from playing together as a team.

Of course Brown is not much more than a rookie who arrived in Berlin with huge deficits in his PG skills and a nice shooting touch. But especially in the last few weeks he improved a lot. Showing good PnR with Nadjfeji and it seems as if he got more self-confidence bringing the ball and opening the systems. Please don't get it wrong, he's not as strong or dominant as Hollis Price or Andrew Wizniewski were in their first seasons but his learning curve is extraordinary.

Silver Surfer
06-05-2008, 01:51 PM
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Goran Jeretin:
Alba closed the door for Jeretin's return when they hired McIntosh and Nadjfeji from the bankrupt Köln 99ers in February 2008. Before that they counted on Jeretin's return. I'm sure nobody at Alba thougt they would (have to) hire (the full contingent of) four new players during the season. That's what probably led to their first mistake: Not formally nominating him for the team before the season (probably for financial reasons) but planning to "re-" nominate him (using one of the four places) when he would have recovered. The second mistake was hiring Slavko Stefanovic (as the second new player during the season after Sasha Rasic in November 2007) in December 2007, an All-Star from a more or less mediocre league (the serbian) who didn't meet up to any of the expectations Alba set in him. For him Alba used the roster-place that later they needed to bring back Jeretin. When in February Alba had the chance to get Mac and Pista in their roster they imho had to grab it - though with these two the last two free roster places were taken.

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Goran Jeretin is a smart and useful player.
I think that he could help Alba to raise up and catch-up the top of the European-listings (apart from the top Teams as CSKA, Pana, Spanish ones, Maccabì and Siena...) in the future time.
Is he recovering from the injury, so far?
Will You leave him, or will he stay as a still-coloumn of the Alba 2008/9 Team?

Gruebler
06-05-2008, 02:38 PM
There is no new information regarding Jeretin. He still is listed on ALBA Berlin's website as part of the team but since December nobody has confirmed that he even was in Berlin. There are some rumors about coach Pavicevic pointing out Jeretins superior pg abilities to fans.