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mvblair
11-11-2007, 05:16 PM
Last night, Toronto and Chicago played. Nocioni and Delfino were the best scorers for the team:

Nocioni - 20 points, 5 rebounds
Delfino - 16 points, 7 rebounds (19 minutes)

Pictures
Delfino manning the ball (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Auedj60E.blVUpQ.nQ7qFWWkvLYF?slug=be82f 6631cd94e2196f8a4683821db31.raptors_bulls_basketba ll_cxa111&prov=ap)
Defino jump shot (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AgHBCbRmlL7z4bQUKbSMGNCkvLYF?slug=getty-76075785rb012_toronto_rapto&prov=getty)
Argentino versus Argentino (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AknplUHxhH.40NvVc9FouhGkvLYF?slug=getty-76075785rb007_toronto_rapto&prov=getty)
Nocioni dribbling around Garbajosa (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=getty-76075785rb015_toronto_rapto&prov=getty)

Delfino is averaging about 30 minutes a game, causing consternation among fans of Jorge Garbajosa, who say Garbo should be getting more playing time.

Nocioni, like countryman Manu Ginobili, is playing the sixth man with the Bulls, coming in behind Luol Deng. In 4 games, he's averaging 12 points and 6 rebounds.

Ginobili is the Spurs' second leading scorer, behind Tony Parker, this far in the season. He's getting 20 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2.5 steals per game.

Ginobili's teammate Fabricio Oberto is playing center "by committee" with Dutchman Fransisco Elson. He just played his best game with 13 points and 4 rebounds against New Orleans. San Antonio has moved Tim Duncan to defend the smaller big men on the team, choosing to put Oberto on the biggest players instead.

Luis Scola is having a slow start to the year, but has erratic minutes. It's expected that he will do better as the season develops, because Houston needs another big man to play more minutes. No NBA observers expect this situation to continue.

Of all the Argentines in the NBA, the most enigmatic is Walter Herrmann. He finished the 2006-07 season with the best statistics of any Eastern Conference center, but has been limited to just under 12 minutes a game so far in Charlotte.

sashikas
11-11-2007, 05:31 PM
Of all the Argentines in the NBA, the most enigmatic is Walter Herrmann. He finished the 2006-07 season with the best statistics of any Eastern Conference center, but has been limited to just under 12 minutes a game so far in Charlotte.
Herrmann a center?!?

Phantim3dx
11-12-2007, 07:06 AM
they ran small ball last year so he got to play it. just like how Scola is sometimes is used as the 2nd Center for the Rockets. When RA wants to go small ball he'll put him up as C.

Speaking of Scola, he jsut needs to foul less, i love his aggressiveness but he makes it look to obvious that he is trying to harass his opponent...perhaps watch videotapes of Bruce Bowen should cut down on his fouls...only reason why he is not playing enough... Also he needs to hit those shots from the free throw area, if he does those 2 things he is golden...after all Ra likes his C in the high post.

mvblair
11-12-2007, 12:47 PM
Speaking of Scola, he jsut needs to foul less, i love his aggressiveness but he makes it look to obvious that he is trying to harass his opponent...perhaps watch videotapes of Bruce Bowen should cut down on his fouls...only reason why he is not playing enough... Also he needs to hit those shots from the free throw area, if he does those 2 things he is golden...after all Ra likes his C in the high post. I've only seen one Houston game this season, but I believe it that Scola fouls too much. I think it's so hard for players accustomed to other leagues (NCAA, EL, or wherever) to get into the NBA and aclimate themselves to the game. The fouls are so wishy-washy in the NBA. But I think Scola will be just fine in the end.

Ginobili had 18 points (6-9), 3 boards, and 2 steals in 21 minutes versus Milwaukee. Spurs won by a lot. Oberto chipped in 6 points and 4 boards.

Jokinen
11-12-2007, 07:12 PM
Ginobili might be playing his better basketball in NBA, he seems faster...

Why is Herrmann not playing at all??? there's no explanation.

Scola will be ok as season goes on, it must be hard for him to adjust to play without the ball and no longer play as the first offensive option

Jokinen
11-12-2007, 07:14 PM
I forgot about Delfino, I only watched one game this season, but he seems to have a importan role in Toronto

mvblair
11-18-2007, 06:01 PM
The Argentine NT met last night in San Antonio. :rolleyes:

SCOLA!!! 20 points (10-11), 4 rebounds against the San Antonio Spurs

I'm not surprised. Nobody is, but this could mean that Scola will be more involved in the team. I hope!



San Antonio 90, Houston 84 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2007111624) -- November 16, 2007, AP, by Elizabeth White

Luis Scola, whose rights were traded from the Spurs to the Rockets over the summer, had a breakout game, scoring 20 points.

"He's a hell of a player, but we already knew that. That's nothing new," Popovich said. "It kills me to have him on that team. Just enough to make you spit."

Scola said the July trade wasn't a sore spot for him.

"I just try to play hard every game and sometimes I play good, sometimes I play bad. Today I hit those shots," Scola said. "It has nothing to do with ... the Spurs."

The Rockets (6-4) managed to tie the game at 80 with 3:48 to play on Scola's jump shot...

Scola also was perfect in the half, making all six shots for 12 points. He had been averaging 3.9 points before Friday's game and finished 10-of-11 from the field.

The Spurs pulled away early in the third. But Houston battled back with two baskets from Scola....

Brothers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AjilyIcJ8i1h3waa66c2OEyQvLYF?slug=95096 07733b24cfe8c532102f5cc7a6e.rockets_spurs_basketba ll_txeg108&prov=ap)
Already charging to offense (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=409628924edf47568be284120098987c.rocket s_spurs_basketball_txeg105&prov=ap)
Easy lay-up (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=getty-76075731ce006_rockets_spur&prov=getty)

Ginobili: 19 points, 9 rebounds, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block in 28 minutes
Oberto: 0 points, 4 rebounds

mvblair
11-18-2007, 06:19 PM
Another great game by Luis Scola: 20 points (10-19), 11 rebounds, and 4 assists against Phoenix.

Luis Scola says "buy my new Spaulding-brand basketball. It will make you a better player." (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AgIGdTQio6mD7ZAOsd55sp6kvLYF?slug=getty-76075848bb016_suns_rockets&prov=getty)
His shooting form looks a little wierd (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Ai7J2B3i6.fa2ISVqJa4R8ukvLYF?slug=getty-76075848bb008_suns_rockets&prov=getty)


Chicago Bulls 92, LA Clippers 73 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2007111712) -- November 18, 2007

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- When he wasn't exchanging flagrant fouls with the Los Angeles Clippers, Andres Nocioni was hurting them at the offensive end of the court.

Nocioni shrugged off a couple of hard fouls by Tim Thomas and Chris Kaman and scored 21 points, complementing Ben Gordon's 25-point effort and leading the Chicago Bulls to a 92-73 rout of the banged-up Clippers on Saturday night.

"Clearly in both games he's started, he gives us a presence out there with how assertive he plays. And his emotion and passion for the game rub off on other people," coach Scott Skiles said.

The Bulls were ahead 39-25 midway through the second quarter when Nocioni committed a flagrant foul on Ruben Patterson as the Clippers forward drove the lane.

Patterson got right back in Nocioni's face and had to be restrained by referee Courtney Kirkland, who wrapped his arms around him and dragged him all the way back to midcourt to calm him down. Patterson received a technical foul.

"I've got a mark on my face, and they shouldn't allow that type of nonsense," Patterson said, sporting a welt below his right eye. "He should have been kicked out of the game -- and they gave me a technical foul for retaliating. If you look at the tape, he didn't even try to swipe at the ball. He went straight for my face.

"He's known for being dirty like that," Patterson added. "It's like what he did to Sam (Cassell) in Chicago when he hit him and damn near broke his nose. He's just a dirty guy. And if the league keeps letting him get away with stuff like that, somebody's going to get hurt."

Nocioni told reporters afterward that he was just retaliating to Patterson's aggressive play.

"I made a hard foul because he hit me with his elbow twice," Nocioni said. "I don't have any problems with him. It was just a situation in the game."

The hostilities didn't end with that play. On the Bulls' next possession, Thomas blocked Nocioni's path to the basket and used the opportunity to shove him away with both hands. Those two then had to be separated, and Thomas was called for a flagrant foul.

"That's how it goes sometimes. You get mad and you try to protect your teammates," Kaman said. "I thought Nocioni gave Ruben a pretty dirty hard foul. Ruben doesn't stand for that kind of stuff and he's not going to back down from anybody. Then Tim gave Nocioni a pretty hard foul at the other end."

When play resumed, the Clippers were still down 42-26 with 5:29 left in the first half. Nocioni was flagrantly fouled again with 6:03 left in the third quarter -- this time by Kaman, who shoved him to the floor from behind with his left elbow under the basket.

"I didn't think mine was a flagrant foul, and I'm going to challenge it with the league," the Clippers' 7-foot center said.....

So Nocioni got the Clippers pretty mad, huh? Whenever a player makes a team start crying about one player, you know they're just upset about losing. That's the case here. Patterson, Thomas, and Kaman were mad about losing and they took it out on Nocioni. Patterson really roughed Nocioni up on that play, and Thomas and Kaman just attacked him (and Ben Gordon got roughed up too). Instead of talking about their loss and how to play better, they just talk about Nocioni. Such big egos.

Andres Nocioni had 21 points (6-12), 8 rebounds against the Clippers. He and Luol Deng play so well together when they're on the court. It's just great to watch them.



Chris Kaman giving Nocioni the business (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=ApzQAuvYgon6gtF51uFiltikvLYF?slug=79b6d e4642e842b3ab7b280946226d90.bulls_clippers_basketb all_las118&prov=ap)
Ruben Patterson trying to fight Nocioni (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=As6c2YGXKKF4CoAQJuD9LjakvLYF?slug=16736 7118a824034836f7916412169e6.bulls_clippers_basketb all_las120&prov=ap)
Nice tongue (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=ApkMp0IJ.etw_cPIe_9l35SkvLYF?slug=38d82 46b086b429b99a61c303e8ad7bf.bulls_clippers_basketb all_las114&prov=ap)
Passing the ball (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=getty-76076142ab015_bulls_clips&prov=getty)

mvblair
11-22-2007, 03:13 PM
November 21, 2007

Spurs in a win against Orlando:
Ginobili: 27 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds
Oberto: 6 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists in 16 minutes (he had 10 points, 10 rebounds versus Atlanta on Tuesday)

Toronto in a win against Memphis:
Delfino: 13 points, 3 rebounds

Charlotte in a loss against Washington:
Herrmann: 6 points, 2 rebounds
Herrmann has gained a lot of weight (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AhjgueEv5pr.ZDJxpBDIAo.kvLYF?slug=getty-76075305ks006_heat_bobct&prov=getty)
Look at those veins... (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=ApaNGhG5mKpREOBephuC7IWkvLYF?slug=getty-76075318ks015_trailblaz_bobct&prov=getty)

It's still really disappointing that Herrmann is not getting more minutes. He played so well at the end of last year, he could've been an all-star.

Jokinen
11-23-2007, 01:55 AM
Herrmann has gained a lot of weight (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AhjgueEv5pr.ZDJxpBDIAo.kvLYF?slug=getty-76075305ks006_heat_bobct&prov=getty)



Hahaha... very funny:D

mvblair
11-24-2007, 02:52 PM
I got to watch Luis Scola play again last night. He did a great job in a loss to Miami (Miami!? Yes, we lost to Miami :() Scola was just great. He played more or less 3 quarters (say out most of the 3rd). He had 20 points (10-16), 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block, 1 steal, and 2 turnovers.

Actually, McGrady did an OK job getting Scola the ball when Scola was open. Yes, McGrady chucked up some bad shots, but he also gave Scola a few great passes, and so did Mike James. Mike James gave Scola a wonderful bullet-pass in traffic, which Scola dunked over Alonzo Mourning.

Even when Scola was not getting the ball, he played very well. Scola can really suck in thus loose balls and move right to the bucket or pass out to the perimeter. He moves around the court and keeps the defense honest. He mostly defended Udonis Haslem, who had 11 points, 8 rebounds.

Jump hook shot (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AmIC5kefIVHr690S.iWUNQekvLYF?slug=1ad4e 6f5f1ad39257b57f45a58b22fe7-getty-76075569vb017_rockets_heat&prov=getty)
Scoring over Mourning (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Am7S2snXEymQ6GtZ7YnTzIGkvLYF?slug=43510 dbdad964b4783aa305a17abb199.rockets_heat_basketbal l_mhs103&prov=ap)

I thought Houston's best line-up was:
PG - Mike James
SG - McGrady
SF - Battier
PF - Scola
C - Yao

mvblair
12-01-2007, 05:15 PM
Delfino ran circles around the Cavs defense last night, scoring 24 points (9-14 FG, 4-7 3PT), and 8 rebounds.

Running jump hook (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AgmAtjDpjPNV1MbesESytEGQvLYF?slug=15030 bfdd2474833aee26412a8e10c03.cavaliers_raptors_bask etball___ajw106&prov=ap)
Fouled by Pavlovic (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=9c645cb7e663e914b48d31afaa66bb96-getty-76075111rt18_cavaliers_raps&prov=getty)
About to be Fouled by Pavlovic (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=523bc2c845d664ec5786e84357653adb-getty-76075111ds015_cavs_raps&prov=getty) :D
Lay-up in Traffic (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=e36fbde877180f1c64f63881781a11b3-getty-76075111rt12_cavaliers_raps&prov=getty)

Phantim3dx
12-02-2007, 02:31 PM
I was debating whether to make a new thread fpr this or not, however I mgiht as well contribute here instead.

I have noticed something in watching the past few games in which Scola was succesful as well as when McGrady returned from his injury. It has nothing to do with the previous debate of McGrady being a ball hog, although I tend to agree; it about Steve Francis and Scola.

Here is one main thing I have noticed when Scola and Steve Francis play, Scola gets opportunities to shoot because Francis actually creates opportunities plays for Scola to show his worth.

This stat is referring to the Rockets Clippers Game, Rox won

http://clutchfans.net/games_box_listings.cfm

Thwre stats and info there, it's also a great way to analyze since Scola started playing more min.

Here is an example, in the loss to the Suns where Scola scored 20 points, Francis also played. In the nxt gae in which the Rockets lost to the Mavericks, Scola played but Francis did not, Scola had no points.

Although it may be a weak argument sine in future games Scola does not score much (althugh consistent so far in hte 8 pts 8 reb/game) from what I have seen in all the recent games so far is that anytie their is a fast break Scola always trails Francis and Francis always finds a way to get Scola the ball for the bucket.

Perhaps this is a sign of a maturity level from Francis not to mention he is more tolerant and friendly towards the intl players on the squad.

PS
one thing that made me laugh was in the recent suns vs rox game, rox won
Scola was called for a travel because he slid his foot laterally too much.. f**k as soon as he gets stardom status he wont be called for such things heck d wade, mcgrady, and others never get called for this, f**k that.
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mvblair
12-04-2007, 12:32 PM
Phantim -- I'm going to watch for that. I hadn't noticed it, but you might be on to something. Interesting analysis to say the list.

Andres Nocioni scored a point for every minute he played, getting 30 points (6-9 fg, 3-4 3pt, 15-16 ft), 5 rebounds, and 3 steals in a loss to Dallas. Chicago lost 98-103 and according to the Yahoo! article, Nocioni was the only reason they were in the game.

Runs into Diop (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Asxgj0zIKCoIxDEmZCSAp5ykvLYF?slug=11d8a 2c518155297b9d35173d1935e4f-getty-76075766jd021_dallas_maveri&prov=getty)
...And gets the foul against Diop (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=ab33d0b772502416ca2c76863e9eb1c4-getty-76075766gd011_mavs_bulls&prov=getty)
Defending fellow Latin American Juan Jose Barrea of Puerto Rico (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AjhxCja05QSbMpmgOSdjUk2kvLYF?slug=893ad ef8d94dde92064fa78545cd2fc3-getty-76075766jd018_dallas_maveri&prov=getty)
Attacking Brandon Bass (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AvacPyjOxTFHrhnAF1YgOEKkvLYF?slug=5167d 6178b0b3bfed23197e0e868dd8a-getty-76075766jd012_dallas_maveri&prov=getty)
Shooting over Bass (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Auu.kpZAkdsiw80rJ_1hHvakvLYF?slug=325a5 916ff304b89b599c4d9f7b4ce42.mavericks_bulls_basket ball__cxa111&prov=ap)
Called for a Lane Violation (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=69fc6fd0588ff19141a6790222e48cba-getty-76075766gd006_mavs_bulls&prov=getty) :o
A scary moment for Chicago fans (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=84d44a48b1c34849bdd8f1630b099f4d.maveri cks_bulls_basketball__cxa105&prov=ap)
Rebounding (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=8a2f6c652a0f73d2e27c4a4ff16827c6-getty-76075766gd002_mavs_bulls&prov=getty)

Nocioni is averaging 15 points and 6 rebounds this year, a number that has increased every week of the young season.

mvblair
12-04-2007, 12:46 PM
And don't forget about Carlos Delfino! He had a team-high 17 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, and 1 steal in a victory against Charlotte.

Lay-up over Jason Richardson...and some other player (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=ApX3TK29TNSo4KeU6WYJrEOkvLYF?slug=67388 0008c2793fc3ce046c76a047acc-getty-76075109rt13_bobcats_raptrs&prov=getty)
Slips through the defense (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AtewQB35rSMsrMSwle2.pWikvLYF?slug=2f719 71261c94ef898736fb5a16668f5.bobcats_raptors_basket ball_ajw108&prov=ap)

Neozyrus
12-04-2007, 11:31 PM
Some statistics till now of the argentinians:

Ginobilli : 28.7 min - 19.4 ppg - 4.7rpg - 4.3 apg - 1.7 spg
Nocioni : 25.8 min - 15.0 ppg - 6.0rpg - 1.1 apg
Delfino : 26.3min - 10.3 ppg - 5.1rpg - 1.3 apg - 1.1 spg
Scola : 18.9 min - 6.8 ppg - 5.3rpg
Oberto : 21.2 min - 5.9 ppg - 5.4rpg - 1.3 apg
Herrman : 10.6 min - 3.6 ppg - 2.2rpg

Imo all of them could play more minutes (specially Herrman that should look for a trade or a return to Europe) as their performances are more than good at this moment.

Jokinen
12-05-2007, 12:51 AM
Some statistics till now of the argentinians:

Ginobilli : 28.7 min - 19.4 ppg - 4.7rpg - 4.3 apg - 1.7 spg
Nocioni : 25.8 min - 15.0 ppg - 6.0rpg - 1.1 apg
Delfino : 26.3min - 10.3 ppg - 5.1rpg - 1.3 apg - 1.1 spg
Scola : 18.9 min - 6.8 ppg - 5.3rpg
Oberto : 21.2 min - 5.9 ppg - 5.4rpg - 1.3 apg
Herrman : 10.6 min - 3.6 ppg - 2.2rpg

Imo all of them could play more minutes (specially Herrman that should look for a trade or a return to Europe) as their performances are more than good at this moment.



Delfino seems to be finding his place in NBA, I expect his numbers to continue to grow, so far Gino and Chapu are playing great..., Oberto's numbers don't say much, but he's been a huge contribution to spurs so far... I believe he has very good numbers in the new stat (+/-).

I definitely hope Herrmann gets traded or something... his situation is just unbelivable...

PS: Very good pics Matt, thanks

Phantim3dx
12-05-2007, 03:46 AM
gees, argentina is ging to be a force to reckon with this coming summer. its too early to say...without offending the euros on this threads but ive got argentina locked on 2nd at least in the coming olympics.

Jokinen
12-06-2007, 05:47 AM
:D Ginobili!!! ha ha, such a joy to watch...

Manu posted 37 pts 6 ast 4 rbs 2 stls and a blk in 39 min, to led San Antonio (without Duncan) to a 97 - 95 win against the Dallas Mavericks.

Manu Dunk!!
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=u3HZZdYs1c4

Neozyrus
12-06-2007, 09:36 AM
gees, argentina is ging to be a force to reckon with this coming summer. its too early to say...without offending the euros on this threads but ive got argentina locked on 2nd at least in the coming olympics.

Theres no offense in admitting that Argentina is at least at the same level that the best Nts of Europe. ;)
Argentina is such a great basketball power, with so many players.. there are many many great players that even hadnt ever gone to the NT, and they are so enjoyable to watch!.

mvblair
12-06-2007, 01:49 PM
....and they are so enjoyable to watch!. That's the number one key. It's so much fun to watch their NT play. Every player is so individually creative. Very fun indeed!

Delfino seems to be finding his place in NBA, I expect his numbers to continue to grow, so far Gino and Chapu are playing great..., Oberto's numbers don't say much, but he's been a huge contribution to spurs so far... I believe he has very good numbers in the new stat (+/-). That's true of all the Argentines (except Herrmann). Even Luis Scola does a good job for Houston when he only scores 6 or 7 points, because his defense and ability to play without the ball are so fantastic. (By the way: Scola had 16 points (6-8) in 17 minutes last night against Memphis).
I definitely hope Herrmann gets traded or something... his situation is just unbelivable... Nobody understands the situation with Herrmann, Diego. It's a shame. Charlotte keeps saying that they need a big man. Well, why not play the guy who averaged 20-some points last spring!? Charlotte has the chance to run a fast line-up if they put Herrmann in, so why not try it?

Herrmann taking the ball strong against the Bulls (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=ApY4OORP8fXJ8ehjYpyL32GkvLYF?slug=5a4a2 0617d7cedf023cfc19d83aad8ef-getty-76075292ks023_bulls_bobct&prov=getty)

Jokinen
12-07-2007, 06:18 AM
Nobody understands the situation with Herrmann, Diego. It's a shame. Charlotte keeps saying that they need a big man. Well, why not play the guy who averaged 20-some points last spring!? Charlotte has the chance to run a fast line-up if they put Herrmann in, so why not try it?

Herrmann taking the ball strong against the Bulls (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=ApY4OORP8fXJ8ehjYpyL32GkvLYF?slug=5a4a2 0617d7cedf023cfc19d83aad8ef-getty-76075292ks023_bulls_bobct&prov=getty)

Yeah is weird, BTW, does anyone knows if there is really a chance that Herrmann gets traded, any rumors?, something?

Neozyrus
12-07-2007, 12:30 PM
There were some rumours a few days ago about that if his situation didnt change, Savic could convince him to return to Europe, but as i said, those are just rumours by now.

mvblair
12-12-2007, 02:12 PM
There were some rumours a few days ago about that if his situation didnt change, Savic could convince him to return to Europe, but as i said, those are just rumours by now. He should do it. Normally, I defend coaches who might not be giving playing time to certain good players, because there are plenty of reasons not to play any single player. But the case of Herrmann is the worst. He was their best player for several months last year, and now he can't get 10 minutes! It's laughable. If he just packs up his suitcase and leaves, I wouldn't blame him. I'd prefer that he gets traded to the Cavs, who still need a big man after Varejao's return yesterday....

....and speaking of problems, does anybody know why Sr. Nocioni played only 11 minutes last night? He had 8 points and it was a huge 25-point win, so maybe they just didn't need him yesterday.

Praise from the media:

Time for a Trade (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/692754,3_2_EL12_B1RAIL_S1.article) -- Chicago Courier News, December 11, 2007, by Mike Nadel

....It's the perfect buy-low for the Bulls, who could easily come up with a two-player package to grab the Spaniard [Pau Gasol].

My one request is that the Bulls hold on to Andres Nocioni, who due to his ever-present energy, attacking style and consistent scoring output has gone from cult-hero of the hardcore fan to arguably the most irreplaceable member of the team.... I love Luol Deng a lot (he and Noc make a wonderful one-two combo), but if they could trade Deng for Pau, I'd do it in a minute.

rikhardur
12-14-2007, 02:35 AM
....and speaking of problems, does anybody know why Sr. Nocioni played only 11 minutes last night? He had 8 points and it was a huge 25-point win, so maybe they just didn't need him yesterday.
Nocioni is a bit of a mystery to me so far. He's not the kind of player that comes off the bench to spark a team like Ginóbili, imo he should be a starter and he has quality and conditions to be so.

mvblair
12-15-2007, 02:47 AM
He should do it. Normally, I defend coaches who might not be giving playing time to certain good players, because there are plenty of reasons not to play any single player. But the case of Herrmann is the worst. He was their best player for several months last year, and now he can't get 10 minutes! It's laughable. If he just packs up his suitcase and leaves, I wouldn't blame him. I'd prefer that he gets traded to the Cavs, who still need a big man after Varejao's return yesterday....
Herrmann is going to Detroit!!! (http://forums.interbasket.net/showthread.php?p=132316#post132316)

mvblair
12-16-2007, 04:59 PM
With all the talk about Scola, Nocioni, and Ginobili (and Herrmann the past few days), it's easy to forget about our man Fabricio Oberto.

Oberto scored 21 points (10-11), 13 rebounds, and 5 assists in 30 minutes against Marcus Camby's Nuggets last night.


San Antonio 102, Denver 91 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=AgeZqafR6iTkfHP9wdCMwhkyNbgF?gid=200712 1524) -- by ELIZABETH WHITE, Associated Press, December 16, 2007

....Michael Finley and Fabricio Oberto each scored a season high 21 points to help the NBA champions beat the Denver Nuggets 102-91 and improve to 13-0 at home.

"Their role players beat us as much as anyone else," said Karl. "From (Brent) Barry to Finley to Oberto, they beat us as much as (Manu) Ginobili or (Tim) Duncan did."

...Oberto, who was 10-of-11 from the field, also had 13 rebounds for the Spurs.

"He had a great game, He usually doesn't go for numbers like that," said Marcus Camby, who had just four points and six rebounds for Denver. "We were so small with K-Mart being suspended, he (Oberto) was being played by a 6-7, 6-8 guy most of the night."

...
I suppose Camby is following Oberto's career. I think that his comment about Oberto not getting "numbers like that" shows some respect for Oberto, perhaps suggesting (as Duncan and Popovich always say) that Oberto's game isn't about getting good statistics. That true about Camby too.

Oberto going up the court (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Anrww89tohsjHRJoFbqS4NmQvLYF?slug=b762e 1fd4afe43a4a8f764013e00e7be.nuggets_spurs_basketba ll_txeg107&prov=ap)
Oberto going up strong (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=79d9da4cae6250b90ed16f7dcfbbaa8d-getty-76075803ce004_nugs_spur&prov=getty)

rikhardur
12-23-2007, 02:14 PM
Scola had his best game in a while for the Rockets, scoring 14 pts and adding 11 rebs + 2 assists + 1 block in a win against the Bulls.

mvblair
12-24-2007, 03:06 AM
Scola had his best game in a while for the Rockets, scoring 14 pts and adding 11 rebs + 2 assists + 1 block in a win against the Bulls.
Statistically, it wasn't his best game, but obviously they got a good win against Chicago thanks to his rebounding, which makes it his best game. He also got some of those points playing alongside McGrady.

Tonight, our Argentine had 18 points (8-11) and 9 rebounds in 25 minutes. They lost to Detroit with McGrady injured [b]again :rolleyes: and Yao leaving in the third quarter after getting stitches.

Some recent pictures:
Laying it up over Jason Maxiell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=c50e29976caed105337255c823b64ada-getty-76075074ae005pistons_rockets&prov=getty)
Running back to play defense (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=7447033671f2d3c0a1658360b99bc907-getty-76075768rb014_rockets_bulls&prov=getty)
Playing defense (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=53ff68584e904581b2d188bd7b42c6d5.rocket s_pistons_basketball_migm106&prov=ap)
The four closest players are Bulls defenders :D (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=a2757d9942ae22e4242547731d3346d9-getty-e&prov=getty)
Battier and Alston congratulate Scola (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=e30ba4306c0849559cf8182bb4c1bc69.rocket s_bulls_basketball_cxa111&prov=ap)

Doing charity work (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=838e54dc45cd6e5853bc2fc10c10ee7f-getty-76112959bb008_rockets&prov=getty)
Doing charity work II (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=9ac430331cef32d81c9e1ffd19ba15a4-getty-76112959bb002_rockets&prov=getty)
Doing charity work III (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=3bf73f32a1d3467dc54a5bac8395b03c-getty-76112959bb007_rockets&prov=getty)

sergio23
12-29-2007, 10:11 AM
wow scola scored 22 pts. against Memphis in 28 mins..playing time..

rikhardur
01-06-2008, 01:13 PM
Nocioni had one of his best games so far in the season scoring 26 pts (5/7 3pt) + 5 rebs + 1 assist + 1 steal + 1 block in 30 minutes as the Bulls beat the Kings by one point.

mvblair
01-06-2008, 05:45 PM
Nocioni had one of his best games so far in the season scoring 26 pts (5/7 3pt) + 5 rebs + 1 assist + 1 steal + 1 block in 30 minutes as the Bulls beat the Kings by one point.
I got to watch the game last night, and Nocioni was amazing! He was really fun to watch. He played smart, scoring his points while barely touching the ball, and playing great defense.

Showing his "O" Face (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AhkN35EP6XNHR7hZeH_ApHmkvLYF?slug=262a1 b408f464528991213f9ecf8b3e7.kings_bulls_basketball _cxa102&prov=ap)
Post up (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=e1a119e664740aa39edd5a6555e3336e-getty-76075783sd001_sacramento_ki&prov=getty)

rikhardur
01-12-2008, 01:56 PM
Good round for the Argentines, with Scola matching his career-high with 22 pts and topping all scorers, adding 9 rebs and 5 assists in 24 minutes as the Rockets beat the Wolves. Nocioni had 27 pts + 7 rebs as the Bulls beat the Sixers.

mvblair
01-17-2008, 11:46 AM
Carlos Delfino scored 26 points (5-7 3s), 8 rebounds, 6 assists, and 4 steals in a Toronto victory over Sacramento, which had Mike Bibby and Ron Artest back. It was Delfino's best game in a Toronto uniform. What a fantastic game!! Bosh and Calderon also played well.

I can't find any good pictures from the game, but what a fantastic night for this Argentine. Everybody knows he can play, but sometimes he's pretty hot and cold. Well, tonight he was an All-Star!

Nocioni scored 20 points (4-5 3s) in only 18 minutes in a 30 point win over Miami.
Muscular drive to the hoop (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AiJbmk_o58oLJEEa2YuDdNekvLYF?slug=2974f 59a39c74d90a06c99254d4e229e.bulls_heat_basketball_ aaa105&prov=ap)

Nocioni's game comes one game after he had a scary fall against Orlando (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=An3z3aSkDhZhRaGm1FtwSvWkvLYF?slug=8cf0c 6dc449f00d7257c9da6b8a8c7b0-getty-76075177fm024_bulls_magic&prov=getty). He wasn't injured seriously.

Neozyrus
01-17-2008, 01:28 PM
Delfino did a really good game against Pistons . When he's in shape, he's just a great player.
Nocioni's performances is one of the few nice things to notice this year in the Bulls: He has just been the best player of Bulls along with Deng in these matches.
Scola is right now the 5th on the rookie list and that, only playing around 20 min per game. If he was in a team where he could be a starter, his numbers would be awesome.

This makes me think about the possible performance of Herrman if he would get some minutes in Detroit.

mvblair
01-17-2008, 04:13 PM
Delfino did a really good game against Pistons . When he's in shape, he's just a great player.
Nocioni's performances is one of the few nice things to notice this year in the Bulls: He has just been the best player of Bulls along with Deng in these matches. Yes. But even Deng is struggling this year. One columnist a few weeks ago said that Nocioni was the player who plays strong every game and always tries his best. That's why he is mentioned in all the trade talks and why Paxson always says he doesn't want to trade Nocioni.

Scola is right now the 5th on the rookie list and that, only playing around 20 min per game. If he was in a team where he could be a starter, his numbers would be awesome. LeBron23 in the Cavs thread was complaining about that. We had a chance to get Scola's rights in a trade last year and didn't do it. I guarantee you Danny Ferry, the GM, is kicking himself in the butt right now.

This makes me think about the possible performance of Herrman if he would get some minutes in Detroit. As for Herrmann: I think he should head to Europe. Detroit is a great team, so it's not his fault that he's not playing. But he's a world-class player. He should be on the court for every game.

mvblair
01-25-2008, 01:43 PM
Bulls Report (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/756947,CST-SPT-bullnt24.article) - January 24, 2008, by John Jackson, Chicago Sun Times

...Rumor mill

A report out of New Jersey said the Nets are interested in Bulls forward Andres Nocioni.

According to the Bergen Record, the teams have discussed a multiplayer trade in which Nocioni and guard Thabo Sefolosha would go to New Jersey for forward Bostjan Nachbar, guard Marcus Williams, guard Antoine Wright and center Jamaal Magloire.

Bulls general manager John Paxson declined to comment.... Nocioni is mentioned in lots of trade rumors these days. The reason? Every coach, every player, and every GM likes the way he hustles. He never stops playing. A lot of "hustle players" don't have talent, but Nocioni does. He can play the post, cut, hit jump shots, and play good defense. He could fit on any team from San Antonio to Miami and make a big difference.

Unfortunately for the other teams, Chicago isn't silly enough to trade him.

mvblair
02-13-2008, 01:50 PM
Andres Nocioni: 28 points (8-15) in a loss to New Orleans. I think Manu had 28 points, 15 rebounds in a Spurs victory the night before.

rikhardur
02-13-2008, 02:14 PM
I think Manu had 28 points, 15 rebounds in a Spurs victory the night before.
Career-high rebounds for him and add 6 points more ;)
He's having his best season so far.

alermac
02-13-2008, 09:38 PM
He has added to his game the last thing he lacked: a deadly outside shot.

robbe
02-14-2008, 03:58 AM
Today Manu went off for 46 points (18 in the 4th) in a 112-105 away win over the Cavaliers in a finals rematch. I don't care about those highs usually, it's quite a common thing in the NBA, but it's fitting that Manu just had 20 shots to score 46 (he hit 15 of those), instead of needing the green light for 35-40 attempts.

He was 8-11 for three.

Phantim3dx
02-14-2008, 07:11 AM
Today Manu went off for 46 points (18 in the 4th) in a 112-105 away win over the Cavaliers in a finals rematch. I don't care about those highs usually, it's quite a common thing in the NBA, but it's fitting that Manu just had 20 shots to score 46 (he hit 15 of those), instead of needing the green light for 35-40 attempts.

He was 8-11 for three.

gees......

rikhardur
02-14-2008, 11:50 AM
He has added to his game the last thing he lacked: a deadly outside shot.
He just proved what you wrote alermac ;)

jugoplastika
02-14-2008, 01:21 PM
Manu is basketball God.

mvblair
02-14-2008, 02:52 PM
(Nice avatar, Robbe).

As a Cavs fan, I think Manu is a terrible, selfish player. As a Manu fan, I think Manu is the best athlete and the most fun player to watch in the game. :D

Manu is a Monster (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/nba_experts/post/Behind-the-boxscore-where-Manu-is-a-monster;_ylt=AuMOsK6BX8DVFMBvl1iJGb6kvLYF?urn=nba% 2C66778) -- by Kelly Dwyer, February 14, 2008, Yahoo! Sports

With his team struggling to score (18 points after just one quarter) and the Cavs feasting off of San Antonio's long misses, Manu Ginobili absolutely took things over in the second quarter of this one.

Scoring 13 in the quarter, Manu gave the Spurs a fighting chance (fightin', I say, because the kid's got moxie) heading into the second half, and his dominant touch allowed the Spurs to score 94 points in the final three frames and pull out the win.

Ginobili was incredible, snaking his way through double-teams, giving the ball up early only to get it back in time to score, directing traffic and nailing jumper after tough jumper. Forty-six points on only 20 shots, eight assists, five rebounds, three steals and just ONE turnover in 40 minutes of play for Ginobili on Wednesday.

(But, by all means, enjoy Brandon Roy on Sunday night.)

LeBron James wasn't nearly as good, but did offer an outstanding 39 points, nine assists, six boards and three turnovers. I'm not going to drag out the usual, "he didn't have much help," bit because there wasn't much the Cavs could do with Ginobili last night. LBJ was awesome, the Cavs played a great game, but they didn't have a chance with Manu acting as he did.

Against single-coverage, he'd score. When Cleveland trapped him and forced Manu to give up the ball as he crossed half court, he'd dart his way around a half-court set, watch as the Spurs made a few passes, duck into the open spots, take the pass and score. Brilliant basketball from a monster in his prime. It is true that Manu is so fun to watch. He's one of the players who exudes passion from his poors.

Drives against former teammate Devin Brown (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AuwQTE6lv7B6muDUh02BAr.kvLYF?slug=r1206 135297&prov=reuters)
Thinking that he needs to buy a new razor (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AuFXjkWGhHMCKIDcM88xT2ekvLYF?slug=9ede2 9f8809afff7d238f05ad97a5a89-getty-76075343_dlk014_cavs_v_spur&prov=getty)
Great looking picture (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=e7d9284b5ea45131dc9d379721fd27f6-getty-76075343_dlk016_cavs_v_spur&prov=getty)
Manu at his best (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=d2dc35fb22a605d9a0889633f1571147-getty-76075343_dlk010_cavs_v_spur&prov=getty)

samprass
02-15-2008, 05:40 PM
46 pts....4TH Quarter with 18 gamewinner pts ...Cle was leading by 5 at the beginning of 4th..

robbe
02-17-2008, 09:55 AM
Manu is excellent. He can do it all. If they ask him to score, he will do that. But he can also average 11PPG a regular season and still be amazing. He's clutch. He's great on both ends of the floor. He's a competitor. And in my opinion, he is, if something like that exists, the ultimate basketball player because he unifies great individual strength and team work. He has the ability to make every possible shot, but still he doesn't force things. He's been the best on every level he's played: European, international or NBA stage. And yes, he's great to watch.

I am following some selected NBA teams here and then, namely Spurs, Jazz, Rockets (they are on TV all the time here in China) and Raptors.

Here's my opinion on how the Argentinians are doing.

Ginobili: Well, not much to be added here. He's starting with Parker out injured, and he's running a lot of high screen and rolls with either Duncan or Oberto setting the screen. He's doing great passing from there, and his scoring has been off the charts lately. He's been automatic from the outside. As I said, not much to write here. We all know what a player he is, and he's schooling everybody right now. He's the dominating player on the Spurs at the moment, with Duncan rather passive. But that can change. They'll both do what's necessary.

Scola: Has finally found his role. Things are different, because Houston has no creativity whatsoever at the point guard position, and McGrady is a solid passer, but not great. So the easy buckets he's getting out of Prigioni's great passing and his own great movement off the pick and roll are simply not there. His biggest quality not being used. But he's found his niche. Yao's presence alone does create space for others and Scola has a great a eye for these spots, and his teammates are starting to aknowledge that and find him with their passes. In addition to that, another thing Scola is doing more and more is the little things that don't occur in boxscores, such as tipping back missed shots to his teammates and drawing charges. What is still there and will never fade of course is that ability to finish at the rim. He's great at spinning in, and throwing all sorts of fakes to get the defender into the air. And his hands still are damn soft. He's very important right now for the Rockets.

Oberto: Probably the player I am most impressed with. He's doing nothing we didn't already know, but hell, I never thought he'd be such a fantastic offensive rebounder in this league of athletic freaks. He's just getting his hand on everything there. That doesn't mean it does show up on the statsheet. He's tipping it off the opponent out of bounds, he getting to all the loose balls, he's securing them possession after possession after possession. And then he's of course a fantastic passer who'll play numerous extra passes to Tim Duncan for the easy basket, when everybody's expecting him to shoot himself. His defence is gritty and valuable as usual. Getting his hands onto everything, drawing charges - the whole package. And his movement off the screen and roll with Ginobili is excellent of course.

Delfino: I must admit that I don't like him too much. He can be spectacular and exciting to watch, and he's not a bad defender, but his play can be erratic at times. He' s just not disciplined. Shot selection is not good, as he can be seen taking wild threes again and again. And he sometimes takes ill-advised, flashy-looking close range shots that look spectacular when they fall, but have low chances of doing so. He sure brings energy off the bench for the Raptors, no doubt. But he's not anywhere in the class of the three aforementioned. But then again, this is nothing we didn't already know, as he's never been big of a factor on the national team. I don't see this burning desire to win on his face. The little things, the charges taken, the dirty little tricks that drive the opponent wild. The big baskets. He's someone who looks good and will make the crowd happy with a nice little dipsy-doo and the finger roll, and then he'll be on TV for a little L'Oreal spot. This is exaggeration of course, but the difference to the other trio is just immense.

robbe
02-22-2008, 06:53 AM
Manu dropped 44 points on 13/18 (7/9 3PT) shooting on the Timberwolves this night. Including the game winning jumper with 6 seconds left.

We usually only see Ginobili go off like this in the playoffs. But it doesn't surprise me really, as - with the league being totally out of balance - the Spurs have only four games on the 9th spot in the West. They need every win right now. The Spurs are a team that usually goes through the motions in the regular season only to turn it up two steps in the playoffs. It's a dangerous situation.

Luis Scola meanwhile dropped another double double on the Heat for the Rockets' 10th straight win.

mvblair
02-22-2008, 03:54 PM
Manu dropped 44 points on 13/18 (7/9 3PT) shooting on the Timberwolves this night. Including the game winning jumper with 6 seconds left. Amazing. Ginobili is so much fun to watch. He's got so many weapons on offense.

Manu for the lay-up (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=1017b95a10aa4db084b1b4a7a7f33d6c.spurs_ timberwolves_basketball_mnjm107&prov=ap)
Tough shot (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=4cf46f17d1e73b13aae670e980cb2b1d-getty-76075670ds008_spurs_twolvs&prov=getty)
Good body control, Manu! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=f52ccb180fc587c24f4cdb5841aa01aa-getty-76075670ds005_spurs_twolvs&prov=getty)
Good drive, Manu! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=a53328cf5a8bc33e60b20958593ec5ff-getty-76075670ds007_spurs_twolvs&prov=getty)

mvblair
02-23-2008, 03:39 AM
19\8 points (3-6 3pts) in 23 minutes (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AtuBOisnXOJvK.vTiAX9muKLvLYF?gid=200 8022218) for Carlos Delfino in a loss to New York tonight.

rikhardur
02-24-2008, 01:10 PM
Manu had a another great night, leading the Spurs with 30 pts + 12 assists + 6 rebs in a win over the Hornets.

Neozyrus
02-24-2008, 01:41 PM
It was a complete shame that Manu wasnt on the all-star, he deserved it more than many that actually were there. Right now, he's carrying on his shoulders the actual champion of the NBA.

mvblair
02-24-2008, 02:32 PM
It was a complete shame that Manu wasnt on the all-star, he deserved it more than many that actually were there. Popovich and Horry would agree with you, Zyrus.

Ginobili’s 30 points lead Spurs to 98-89 win over Hornets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=AkbCHG.yeCS5t1uH.QdhiPW8vLYF?gid=200802 2324&prov=ap) -- February 23, 2008, AP, by Elizabeth White

Manu Ginobili may not have made the All-Star roster this year, but his coach sure thinks he’s playing like one.

Ginobili scored 30 points and had a career-high 12 assists Saturday against the New Orleans Hornets to help the Spurs withstand a late run for a 98-89 victory and their fifth straight win.

“Obviously, Manu has been on fire here for quite a while playing All-Star basketball,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said.

Including Saturday’s outburst, Ginobili has averaged 34.4 points in his last five games.

“Manu is one of the great players in the game,” veteran Robert Horry said. “He definitely better be player of the month in my eyes. He’s been playing fantastic. Without him, I think we would be losing five or six games in a row.”

....Ginobili’s 14 third-quarter points, including three 3s, and a dunk that showed the aging Horry can still jump, put the Spurs up by as many as 17 late in the period before the Hornets started their burst....
Ginobili was 4-8 from three-point land too.

Classic Ginobili (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=At2c1TPrU5KHj1ybb5IhID.kvLYF?slug=afp-080224053356.bogzzuy9&prov=afp)
...or is this classic Ginobili? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AkqWs_lIIhsD852Vn79w6_KkvLYF?slug=ddb12 b171af04770b9f51b1ddea2a239.hornets_spurs_basketba ll_txbo109&prov=ap)
The Headless Horsemen (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=7f8f88ccc4e94bf3b3ef1691b36bcfff.hornet s_spurs_basketball_txbo106&prov=ap)
Mid-Air Pass (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=3dbae6a0bd80455f934609dc2122c9fb.hornet s_spurs_basketball_txbo105&prov=ap)

The new kid in class (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=7657bb85ccc2d8d5578abd5a2d6deb36-getty-76112958ce007_spurs_nba_cares&prov=getty)

Test
02-24-2008, 03:02 PM
The Headless Horsemen (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=7f8f88ccc4e94bf3b3ef1691b36bcfff.hornet s_spurs_basketball_txbo106&prov=ap)
Mid-Air Pass (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=3dbae6a0bd80455f934609dc2122c9fb.hornet s_spurs_basketball_txbo105&prov=ap)

The new kid in class (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=7657bb85ccc2d8d5578abd5a2d6deb36-getty-76112958ce007_spurs_nba_cares&prov=getty)

LOL. Funny pictures of great player. In last one Manu reminds me a guy from one movie where adult mentaly ill man went to school and completed it in couple of months :)

ArkadiosV2
02-24-2008, 04:00 PM
Ginobili must win the best 6th man award with hands down...

In case you haven't noticed, many (especially non-Americans) players didn't make it to the All starts Game although they deserved it... I guess there is racism even in this aspect.

mvblair
02-26-2008, 09:26 PM
Ginobili must win the best 6th man award with hands down... Without a doubt.

Delfino had 23 points and 5 rebounds, shooting 6-7 3-pointers and 7-9 overall in a victory over Indiana.

Toronto 102, Indiana 98 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2008022511) -- by CLIFF BRUNT, AP, Feb 25, 2008

Indiana Pacers coach Jim O’Brien thinks the Toronto Raptors might have the best set of backups in the NBA.

Toronto’s reserves scored 55 points, led by Carlos Delfino’s 23, in a 102-98 win Monday night. T.J Ford had 16 points and seven assists in 26 minutes, the most he’s played since missing 24 games with an arm stinger.

“It’s hard for anybody in the NBA to match bench for bench,” O’Brien said. “That’s a formidable group, and it speaks to their depth that those players come off the bench.”

Delfino, who was 6-for-7 on 3-pointers, and Ford gave Chris Bosh all the help he needed. Bosh had 24 points and 10 rebounds.

...“With our guys getting healthy, I think we now have a second-team punch with T.J. getting into shape and into rhythm,” Delfino said. “It opens things up for us offensively, and it sure can change our game.”

...The Pacers said Delfino was the difference.

“He didn’t miss,” Granger said. “We let him get open a few too many times. Anybody in the NBA can make those shots when you’re that far open. He put the dagger in us.”

...Bosh said the performance by Delfino wasn’t surprising. Delfino ranks in the top 20 in the league in 3-point percentage.

“When he gets hot, he’s going to let it go,” Bosh said. “He’s done a great job all year. He also does a great job on the defensive end. He also got to the free-throw line again tonight. He just helped us out a lot.”
A good shooter (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AsbSuI6I_lXqpqWCRWyC_F.LvLYF?slug=7d85b 74ae3c24869b2d4fe867558e8cb.raptors_pacers_basketb all_naf107&prov=ap)
A good shooter in action (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=ba7d99870dbbafa531f31c0b406477cc-getty-76075278rh001_raptors_pacers&prov=getty)
A good defender (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=cf7e75270356434c90409e8da3f5ea4c.raptor s_pacers_basketball_naf102&prov=ap)

mvblair
03-01-2008, 02:08 PM
15 points, 5 rebounds, 5 steals (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AkPdS8qnFaQlZrhK9jaMBSq8vLYF?gid=200 8022910) for Luis Scola in a Houston win over Memphis.

Lay-up (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AkajQkTcJO7sNEvQvSSf.DikvLYF?slug=98d6e 9300db2453a41f6683608f0e356-getty-76075821bb015_grizzlies_rockets&prov=getty)
Luis will fight without Yao for the rest of the season (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Aj_1xWEOhLHiN3h1BpKiv_mkvLYF?slug=be74c 6a60b5344609747591846640345.rockets_yao_basketball _txhou110&prov=ap)

rikhardur
03-02-2008, 12:54 PM
Ginóbili: 30 pts + 4 rebs + 4 assists + 3 steals as the Spurs beat the Bucks.

mvblair
03-02-2008, 02:54 PM
Ginóbili: 30 pts + 4 rebs + 4 assists + 3 steals as the Spurs beat the Bucks.And, I just read that he had the last bucket in this two-point game. I really wish I could watch more San Antonio games. For me, Ginobili is the funnest player in the game. He's a delight to watch and has been wonderful for the league since he joined.

robbe
03-03-2008, 04:32 PM
18 points and 14 rebounds for Luis in a victoy over Denver. Scola is rolling, as are the Yao-less Rockets. 15 in a row.

mvblair
03-03-2008, 08:15 PM
18 points and 14 rebounds for Luis in a victoy over Denver. Scola is rolling, as are the Yao-less Rockets. 15 in a row. Yes. Scola is doing great. Everybody knows he's a great player, but honestly, is any big man going to have phenomenal statistics next to Yao? The answer is "no." Now that Yao is gone, Scola can show his real worth to the statistics-hungry NBA scene. And he's shown it.

...the only problem is that McGrady, Battier, and Scola aren't enough to help the Rockets stay in the play-offs. McGrady will be injured in about a half hour, so that'll leave Battier and Scola as the only two legitimate NBA starters on the team.

rikhardur
03-03-2008, 10:46 PM
Scola was named West Rookie of the Month.

Neozyrus
03-05-2008, 01:39 PM
Scola is one of the best centers/pf of the world, but he's still adjusting to the style of NBA and that takes some time, despite that he's showing already that with minutes and confidence he can be one of the important players of the league, he cant substitute Yao right now (we are talking about probably the best center of the league here).
In a couple of years or even sooner, his level will increase as he will be more confortable in the court, and then, he coud take the full responsabily on the paint of an important team. Anyway imo with the same ammount of minutes that people like Horford or Durant has had in their teams, i think that he could have had many more chances of being the ROY.

mvblair
03-05-2008, 01:54 PM
I agree with you, Zyrus, except that I still don't believe veteran players like Scola should be allowed to have the Rookie of the Year award. :D One reason that Scola doesn't get much attention from the NBA media (although a lot of commentators love him), is that he's not a "sexy" player. He's great, but he won't go for the hot slam dunks like Durant.

Andres Nocioni: 20 points (7-9), 6 rebounds in a win over Memphis.

mvblair
03-05-2008, 09:35 PM
Manu MVP talk:

Power Rankings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtgUcRgJF8uXkmTBe5U_cuu8vLYF?slug=jy-powerrankings030408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) -- March 4, 2008, by Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports

If the All-Star break has come and gone, the rodeo’s left town and Brent Barry’s been told he’s traded (this time for real), then the San Antonio Spurs must be making their annual springtime march up the NBA standings.

The Spurs have traditionally saved their best for last, and this season seems no different. Manu Ginobili’s never played better, Tim Duncan’s 20-and-10 steady and Tony Parker appears to have regained some of his heath. Barry’s even coming back after he completes his month-long sabbatical.....

1. (2) San Antonio Spurs – Is this the first season Manu Ginobili gets more MVP votes than Tim Duncan?

....

Neozyrus
03-06-2008, 02:04 AM
I agree with you, Zyrus, except that I still don't believe veteran players like Scola should be allowed to have the Rookie of the Year award. :D One reason that Scola doesn't get much attention from the NBA media (although a lot of commentators love him), is that he's not a "sexy" player. He's great, but he won't go for the hot slam dunks like Durant.



Absolutely, Scola is effective and practical, but not spectacular at all. He doesnt slam, doesnt try to do complicate things or to look for the impossible shoot or pass, he just go out there and do his job the best that he can. And probably for this, he doesnt get all the propaganda he should get, but still, i think that with time he will get the recognition he deserves (although as u say many people, probably the smartest ones, :D in the league have already showed his respect and his admitration for his work).

mvblair
03-08-2008, 02:39 PM
17 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals for Delfino in an overtime lost to Washington. Delfino is starting to get a lot of minutes in Toronto. He seems to be their new 6th man.

alermac
03-09-2008, 07:27 PM
Argentinean paper La Nación published a long article noting that Argentina's NBA legion is possibly the best among foreigners. That is, it has the highest combined scoring average (61.9, followed by Serbia's 55.9) and second in rebounding (26.8, right behind Serbia's 26.9).

Not bad for a country that didn't have a NBA player until 2001.

mvblair
03-12-2008, 10:41 PM
I've heard Luis Scola's name mentioned several times on sports radio this week. Even the great loud-mouth Stephen A. Smith was praising Scola for his defense and offense and the way he's helped the Rockets. Today, Scola has the "splash" image on http://sports.yahoo.com/nba. He's becoming very popular!!

mvblair
03-13-2008, 05:41 PM
A media note:

Scola Essential To Rockets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqpaG6B2xWTNvmClVI9XMpK8vLYF?slug=scolae ssentialtorocketsw&prov=tsn&type=lgns) -- March 13, 2008, by Stan McNeal, SportingNews

Luis Scola learned he had become the Rockets’ starting power forward at a shootaround in late January. “Coach told me to go over there with the whites (jerseys). If you wear a white jersey, you’re a starter,” Scola said during a phone conversation Wednesday.

No big thing. Tracy McGrady was due out that night with the flu, and coach Rick Adelman was looking for someone to help give the team a quick start. Out went Chuck Hayes, in came the energetic Argentinean.

Twenty games later, Scola is still starting and the Rockets have become a very big thing. They have had not lost since Scola joined the lineup at power forward. Their 83-75 victory at Atlanta Wednesday night stretched their winning streak to 20, matching the second-longest streak in NBA history (Bucks, 1971). Not bad for a team that began the new year 15-17 and wondering if it even would get into the playoff race.

Don’t expect Scola to take much credit for his starting having much to do with the Rockets’ winning streak, though. “It wasn’t a big deal when I was a backup and everyone was asking me when I was going to start, so I can’t make it a big deal now that I am starting,” he says.

Scola, 27, credits the Rockets’ rise to good defense (the Rockets are holding opponents to 41.3 percent shooting and 89.3 points during the streak entering Wednesday’s game), sharing the ball (“When someone isn’t hitting, we have been finding someone else to step in,” he says.) and becoming accustomed to Adelman’s system (“We had new players, a new coach and a new system,” Scola says. “It was only a matter of time before we started coming together”).

Scola may be an NBA rookie, but he is no stranger to success in pro hoops. He was MVP last summer at the Tournament of Americas, despite Argentina’s loss to the U.S. in the championship. He was the leading scorer for gold medal-winning Argentina at the 2004 Olympics. He twice was named the Spanish League MVP during his seven seasons with Tau Ceramica.

Though this is his first year living in America, Scola has no trouble communicating in English. Check his answer to a question I asked him Wednesday morning, and you can see he has learned to handle potentially sticky questions from the media.

Me: “Which would mean more, winning the Finals or Olympic gold this summer?”

Scola: “I want to win both.”

The way the Rockets are going since Scola became a starter, he certainly has an opportunity for at least one of the two.

mvblair
03-25-2008, 01:41 PM
It's no secret that Nocioni hasn't been playing very much for the Bulls, even though many, many, many commentators (especially on ESPN) think he's their best player. I guess things got ugly on Saturday:

Nocioni fined for his outburst (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/fullcourtpress/2008/03/nocioni-fined.html) -- March 24, 2008, K.C. Johnson, Chicago Tribune

Andres Nocioni and Jim Boylan literally kissed and made up Monday, with the Bulls' interim coach hamming it up for the TV cameras and kissing the forward he fined on the head as Nocioni addressed the media.

The Bulls fined Nocioni an undisclosed amount on Monday for berating Boylan after he got pulled from a short stint in Saturday's home loss to the Pacers. Nocioni apologized without taking questions Saturday night but sat for a lengthy interview session on Monday and reiterated his regret for his uncharacteristic team-destructive outburst.

"I'm frustrated with myself right now and I'm frustrated with everything," Nocioni said. "When something's not going the right direction, you want it go the right direction and it's difficult. I think I'm not playing my minutes because I'm not playing well.

When I go to the game, I'm not bringing my energy and I'm not playing like the way I used to play. I don't know why. I don't have any explanation for it."
Most of the blog comments support Nocioni. My favorite:

The whole incident is probably just a minor flare-up, but for the last two years Nocioni has been the most consistent guy, at least in terms of solid effort and positive attitude. I'd rather just forget about this one, because Noce doesn't seem like a troublemaker, but if stand-up guys like him are starting to lose it, then this team is really sliding into the toilet. It's true. The Bulls have been really bad this year. I'm not sure why. They almost won the Eastern Conference last year. I guess the coaching problems with Skiles were bad (so naturally the GM replaced Skiles with a worse coach) and some players were upset about Ben Wallace's big contract, but I don't know what the real problems were.

robbe
03-27-2008, 07:23 AM
Scola had 18 points, 18 boards and three steals yesterday against Minnesota.

mvblair
03-28-2008, 02:30 PM
Scola had 18 points, 18 boards and three steals yesterday against Minnesota.
Wow. Scola is a real monster. He's so good. I really wish Cleveland had picked him up last summer when we had a chance. San Antonio is foolish for trading him.

Neozyrus
03-29-2008, 03:34 AM
Wow. Scola is a real monster. He's so good. I really wish Cleveland had picked him up last summer when we had a chance. San Antonio is foolish for trading him.

Yeah, that was really incomprehensible. I dont know who was the scout or the staff member that said that he wasnt worth to sign him in the team and use his money to have Elson (for example) in the team, but whoever he was, it is obvious for me that he hadnt seen not even 2 single games of TAU on the last 4 years. :p

robbe
03-29-2008, 09:44 AM
Yeah, that was really incomprehensible. I dont know who was the scout or the staff member that said that he wasnt worth to sign him in the team and use his money to have Elson (for example) in the team, but whoever he was, it is obvious for me that he hadnt seen not even 2 single games of TAU on the last 4 years. :p
Indeed. And it is quite suprising, as the Spurs have done a very good job over the years evaluating international talent. Scola would have been a wonderful addition, as he can play behind and alongside Duncan.

Imagine a Scola, Duncan, Oberto, Thomas, Horry frontline. As good as it gets in terms of quality, toughness and experience.

jugoplastika
03-29-2008, 10:46 AM
It is not about scouting, it is about their schemes and paying luxury-tax.
Their primary goal was not to exceed/move over the salary cap.
And one more thing: Spurs management wasn`t sure about Duncan/Scola duo.
They thought they aren`t complement each other...:mad:

That`s the story.;)

But you gotta be insane to send extremely dangerous offensive weapon to Houston, division competitor.:p :rolleyes: :confused:
Their only effective big guy is Duncan, other guys are not consistent, so it makes this trade more weird.

However, Scola > Oberto, Bonner, old Horry, Elson.:)

damelo
03-29-2008, 12:05 PM
I think Scola was telling the Spurs were breaking his career, that's why they let him go.
But they are still good at scouting international talent. And most of the players they fired this year I think went to Aris, coached by Gordon Herbert, who is also scout for the Spurs.

mvblair
03-29-2008, 05:13 PM
Yeah, the Spurs have the best European scouts in the world. I think it comes from Popovich's open-mindedness toward scouting. They've made a few mistakes (like letting go of Scola, Udrih). But their successes in scouting European club offenses and players has paid off greatly. Just consider that Ginobili, Parker, Javtokas, Splitter, Mahini and their signing of international players like Oberto, Rasho, and Turkoglu.

Anyhow, it was stupid of them to let go of Scola. Like Jugo said, he's better than any of their other PFs.

Neozyrus
03-29-2008, 06:31 PM
No doubt about the scouting habilities of the Spurs, the draft picks and the trades that you have said speak by themselves.
Its without any doubt one of the teams where an european player would love to play because of his level and because of the "friendly" enviroment.

Anyway thats precisely what makes things even worse ;). If it would have been Detroit for example, that doesnt have a tradition of trusting in european players, it maybe could be more understandable, but the Spurs, that are supposed to be the best european scouters of the NBA (with Toronto maybe), and they let go the most dominant (with Vujcic) center (pf) that has played there during the last 5 years? Well, we all make mistakes. :)

rikhardur
03-30-2008, 11:02 PM
Scola set a new career-high: 24 pts (+ 7 rebs). The Rockets ended up losing to the Spurs 88-109.

robbe
03-31-2008, 12:46 AM
Scola set a new career-high: 24 pts (+ 7 rebs). The Rockets ended up losing to the Spurs 88-109.
Didn't he do something similar to the Spurs in their previous meeting this season? :p

uhg80
03-31-2008, 07:34 AM
The Argentines on the Spurs' team also had a good game. Oberto amassed 8pts (4/4 FG), 5rebs, 5ass and 1 block. Ginobili scored 14 and added 6 borads, 5 assists and 2 blocks.

mvblair
03-31-2008, 12:06 PM
The Argentines on the Spurs' team also had a good game. Oberto amassed 8pts (4/4 FG), 5rebs, 5ass and 1 block. Ginobili scored 14 and added 6 borads, 5 assists and 2 blocks.
That's actually a bad game for Manu, isn't it?

alermac
03-31-2008, 01:31 PM
No doubt about the scouting habilities of the Spurs, the draft picks and the trades that you have said speak by themselves.
Its without any doubt one of the teams where an european player would love to play because of his level and because of the "friendly" enviroment.
And the style of play.

and they let go the most dominant (with Vujcic) center (pf) that has played there during the last 5 years? Well, we all make mistakes. :)
I think the Spurs didn't think Scola would have signed with any team at that point.

uhg80
03-31-2008, 05:29 PM
That's actually a bad game for Manu, isn't it?

Errr, well...Ok, that's really a sub-par game for Manu. But only because he is Manu :rolleyes:

mvblair
03-31-2008, 05:35 PM
Errr, well...Ok, that's really a sub-par game for Manu. But only because he is Manu :rolleyes: Thank you. :D :D

I think the Spurs didn't think Scola would have signed with any team at that point. If that's what the Spurs thought, than they made a big mistake, obviously. Scola is a rookie of the year candidate (although I still don't think guys over 25-years-old should be allowed).

Carlos Delfino had 18 points, 4 assists, and 3 rebounds in only 28 minutes against New Orleans. Nocioni had 17 points (including a great "highlight" lay-up with his left hand) and 4 rebounds in a good win over Milwaukee on Saturday.

All the Argentinos are having great seasons in the NBA this year, but Nocioni's minutes are not steady. One night he plays 5 minutes and the next he plays 35. I really don't understand that. A lot of people think the new coach (Boylan) is not a good coach and that the team has only gotten worse. But Nocioni is the Bulls' best player this season (well, maybe Ben Gordon or Drew Gooden). I suppose that's why Nocioni got upset with Boylan a few weeks ago.

robbe
04-02-2008, 07:05 AM
Luis follows it up with 20 points and 8 boards in another losing effort (98:99), this time against the Kings. Good to see him go to the line 10 times. He was perfect there.

rikhardur
04-04-2008, 02:21 PM
Scola scored 0 pts (0-2 FG) in 25 minutes on court :confused: What happened?

mvblair
04-12-2008, 01:10 PM
And last night Scola had a big game in a win against Phoenix. Scola had 19 points, 5 rebounds.

Scola Shoots over Amare (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AkQH.Uwl4N7J2Et17VKf9bSkvLYF?slug=7c1ec 38899bc0f1979a554569e8afa6d-getty-76075849bb031_suns_rockets&prov=getty) (I don't know if Scola made this basket, but look at Amare's finger--automatic goaltending)
Amare and Scola Hustling (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=30d3e3150a96434085395aa5745fc98b.suns_r ockets_basketball_htr110&prov=ap)

Meanwhile, Carlos Delfino had 24 points, 5 rebounds and made 6/8 three-points in 21 minutes. He led Toronto in a big defeat of New Jersey, meaning that New Jersey cannot go to the play-offs.

Delfino Drives (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AprGoZvljY96L15GqubE3d.kvLYF?slug=fbebe 6120cfd5db25dc119fc89afb334-getty-76075127rt21_nets_raptors&prov=getty)
Delfino Hooks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=ArVxW8OVxsbE9E9OxatpotOkvLYF?slug=deebe 15060320e9fb0ad7427f328d5b5-getty-76075127rt19_nets_raptors&prov=getty)
Delfino Smiles (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Aiff7TZW3jte45dLvzwJECmkvLYF?slug=4f2a8 c38bf1643bf9b0cf552df6d5805.nets_raptors_basketbal l_ajw110&prov=ap)
Delfino Drives...Again (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=AgMVHm.n.RAufOlqLJKKv8qkvLYF?slug=43eb7 551127045c7907bcb36f8c038c1.nets_raptors_basketbal l_ajw107&prov=ap)

Manu Ginobili rested last night against Seattle, but Fabricio Oberto scored 10 points and 10 rebounds in his usual bull-in-a-china-shop game. Andres Nocioni is still not being used in Jim Boylan's new system and nobody knows why. I saw the Cavs-Bulls game last night, and commentator Hubie Brown was asking the same questions I am: why is Nocioni playing so few minutes?

rikhardur
04-12-2008, 01:30 PM
commentator Hubie Brown was asking the same questions I am: why is Nocioni playing so few minutes?
I've been asking the same myself... He could even be a starter.

mvblair
04-12-2008, 03:56 PM
I've been asking the same myself... He could even be a starter. No doubt! Nocioni is the best player on that team (OK, maybe Ben Gordon, who I really like) this year. He's a beast. He could start on a lot of teams. He's like a hyper Malik Rose. It's a shame what has happened to him under Boylan's coaching. Like I said a couple weeks ago, I guess that's why Nocioni had that "fight" with Boylan during practice, and perhaps the reason why their team is playing so poorly.

mvblair
04-15-2008, 03:46 PM
Luis Scola played 43 minutes last night (10 seconds more than T-Mac) and scored 22 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, and 1 block.

Scola sandwich (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=6713c580b2cf3d1808a4577a97440d52-getty-76075975_mm005_rocketjazz&prov=getty)
Going up strong (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=bc890fc099637d59e4c952d0a539da4a-getty-76075933ge003_rockets_nuggets&prov=getty)

mvblair
04-17-2008, 02:42 PM
Luis Scola had 22 points (10-14), 10 rebounds, and 4 assists in a 20-point win against the LA Clippers.

Jump hook (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Ak8XOpFfwKRjY7gjEnj_6Y.kvLYF?slug=e9fa2 d4e85d446f1acecb17fcb6f3c5d.clippers_rockets_baske tball_htr107&prov=ap) - Scola's signature move?
Running hook over the same guy (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo;_ylt=Aow1fhBIi0rFANxUbiAGFRqkvLYF?slug=c728c 8adf721b5aa7fac1522e09007a7-getty-76075813bb009_clippers_rockets&prov=getty)
Shooting over the double team (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=5bd55ff871c397b66b9636f281e7d7fd-getty-76075813bb003_clippers_rockets&prov=getty)

mvblair
04-23-2008, 02:32 PM
Delfino had 16 points (6-10), 6 rebounds, and 3 assists in 30 minutes against Orlando...an unfortunate loss.

Ginobili scored 29 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, and 1 block in 34 minutes. Good game in a big win against Phoenix:

San Antonio 102, Phoenix 96 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=AvgWcEW.XaiVbMuLrohQAYC8vLYF?gid=200804 2224) -- by ELIZABETH WHITE, Associated Press, April 23, 2008

...Parker scored 32 points and Ginobili added 29 for the Spurs, who kept their home-court advantage in tact and play Game 3 in Arizona on Friday.

“Between him (Parker) and Manu those guys were at the rim all night and making some shots over their bigs,” said Tim Duncan, who had 18 points and 17 rebounds. “Just a great game for both of them.”

...“A couple of times they (Parker and Ginobili) got to the basket,” O’Neal said. “We just have to make it tough for them to do that.”

....Ginobili was presented the NBA’s sixth man award, which he won on Monday, before tipoff. Suns G Leandro Barbosa, who won the award last year, came in second. “I think he (Ginobili) should start so that way LB (Barbosa) could get it,” joked Suns coach Mike D’Antoni. “I think he’s (Ginobili) one of the best players in the league. Sixth man, first man, third man, he should be on the All-Star team.”....

Suns Spurs Game Two (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AsSmcUjDUyzGibGhxYd17mq8vLYF?slug=jy-sunsspursgametwo0423008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns) -- April 23, 2008, by John Ludden, Yahoo! Sports

....Hill is new to this, so he should be forgiven for not having an answer. But if he and his teammates want to get back in this series, they’re going to have to come up with a solution for Parker and Ginobili.

“The whole league is trying to do that,” Hill said.

Not everyone in the league has had as much trouble as the Suns. They traded for Shaq because they thought he would improve their interior defense, and yet they’ve allowed 128 points in the lane in the two games. In their past three playoff games against Phoenix, Parker and Ginobili have now totaled 63, 50 and 61 points...

...What was far less known was that the Spurs weren’t completely sure Ginobili would be able to play Tuesday. He missed three games toward the end of the season when a right ankle injury also led to a left groin strain. In Saturday’s game, Ginobili jammed his left ankle, which also caused his right groin to tighten. He had trouble practicing Monday and the team’s training staff didn’t clear him until after watching him work out before the game.

Ginobili said his ankle bothered him more than his groin, but it was hard to tell. Flanked by Parker, he helped the Spurs to a 23-4 advantage in fast-break points. Are the Suns now the ones struggling to keep pace?

After declaring that “the floppers prevailed” in Game 1, Shaq was much more generous in his praise. Ginobili and Parker, he said, played “fabulous.”....

rikhardur
04-28-2008, 09:17 PM
Hundreds of Scola photos: http://fotoclick.acb.com/?cod_jugador=A3C