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Kings
09-06-2007, 11:34 PM
Group A

Jul 14 Greece 119 - Lebanon 62 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/1/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 15 Brazil 94 - Lebanon 54 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/2/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 16 Greece 89 - Brazil 69 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/3/groupname/A/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group B

Jul 14 New Zealand 77 - Cape Verde 50 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/1/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 15 Germany 104 - Cape Verde 68 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/2/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 16 Germany 89 - New Zealand 71 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/3/groupname/B/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group C

Jul 14 Slovenia 88 - South Korea 76 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/1/groupname/C/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 15 Slovenia 86 - Canada 70 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/2/groupname/C/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 16 Canada 79 - South Korea 77 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/3/groupname/C/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Group D

Jul 14 Croatia 93 - Cameroon 79 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/1/groupname/D/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 15 Puerto Rico 81 - Cameroon 72 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/2/groupname/D/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 16 Croatia 95 - Puerto Rico 81 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/3/groupname/D/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6250/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

1/4 Final

Jul 18 Croatia 83 - Canada 62 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/A/groupname/13/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6251/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 18 Puerto Rico 81 - Slovenia 70 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/A/groupname/14/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6251/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 18 Germany 78 - Brazil 65 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/A/groupname/15/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6251/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 18 Greece 75 - New Zealand 48 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/A/groupname/16/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6251/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

1/2 Final

Jul 19 Croatia 76 - Germany 70 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/17/langid//langlc//roundid/6252/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)
Jul 19 Greece 88 - Puerto Rico 63 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid//gamename/A/groupname/18/langid//langlc//roundid/6252/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

3rd to 4th Place

Jul 20 Germany 96 - Puerto Rico 82 (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/scheResu/p/eventid/4508/gamename/A/groupname/19/langid/1/langlc/en/roundid/6253/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html)

Afraid
09-07-2007, 03:27 PM
isn iran among asian teams? they are asian champions, arent they?:confused:

rikhardur
09-07-2007, 03:44 PM
I actually didn't understand this thread. Most of it it's wrong. What did you mean with that list Kings?

Hepcat
09-07-2007, 04:01 PM
Those are not the teams that have qualified for the Olympics. Those are the teams that are eligible for the second chance Olympic qualifying tournament.

But how many European teams get to go to the qualifying tournament and how many teams will qualify for the Olympics from this tournament?

:confused:

rikhardur
09-07-2007, 04:06 PM
Those are not the teams that have qualified for the Olympics. Those are the teams that are eligible for the second chance Olympic qualifying tournament.
Well spotted, thanks ;)

LFGC79
09-07-2007, 05:04 PM
Those are not the teams that have qualified for the Olympics. Those are the teams that are eligible for the second chance Olympic qualifying tournament.

But how many European teams get to go to the qualifying tournament and how many teams will qualify for the Olympics from this tournament?

:confused:

Two qualify directly. Spain is already qualified. Four go to the qualifying tournament. Which will have the teams listed by Kings. It will be 12 teams competing for 3 spots. Dates and location yet to be determined.

alermac
09-08-2007, 10:37 PM
Brazil will apply to host this tourney.

damelo
09-08-2007, 10:43 PM
Shouldn't it be in China or neutral place?

Buducnost PG
09-08-2007, 10:48 PM
Shouldn't it be in China or neutral place?

I heard the same. Now that Iran is in, they have to hope that Israel will not qualify, because then they will have a game less. Achmadinedschad will not allow his team to play against Israel.:mad:

Hepcat
09-08-2007, 10:53 PM
Achmadinedschad will not allow his team to play against Israel.

Won't FIBA impose harsh sanctions on Iran in that event? Like banning Iran from the next Asian championship tournament?

:confused:

elaj
09-08-2007, 11:24 PM
Won't FIBA impose harsh sanctions on Iran in that event? Like banning Iran from the next Asian championship tournament?

:confused:
Like he gives a f***

alermac
09-08-2007, 11:28 PM
I think FIBA should try to keep both teams from being in the same group, at least. Iran decided not to play the 2005 U21 WC, they put some lame excuse but the reason was they had to play Israel.

maka
09-15-2007, 08:05 PM
A
EUR1 (RUS/LIT/GRE)
AME3 Kanada
AZI1 Libanon


B
EUR2 (CRO or GER)
AME2 Portoriko
AZI2 Koreja

C
EUR3 (CRO or GER)
AME1 Brazil
AFR1 Kamerun

D
EUR4 (SLO or FRA)
OCE Novi Zeland
AFR2 Cape Verde


A1-B2
a2-b1
c1-d2
c2-d1...

You heard about this????????????????????? :confused:

daniab
09-15-2007, 09:33 PM
EUR1 (RUS/LIT/GRE)
AME3 Kanada
AZI1 Libanon
:

it will be between Lithuana/Greece,Lebanon and Canada.
It's a hard group for Lebanon,hope we can win Canada as we did from 1 year.

Basket_
09-15-2007, 10:04 PM
When this pre olympic tournament will be?

DanMajerle
09-15-2007, 10:06 PM
If I remember correctly in July.

estanis
09-15-2007, 10:38 PM
A
EUR1 (RUS/LIT/GRE)
AME3 Kanada
AZI1 Libanon


B
EUR2 (CRO or GER)
AME2 Portoriko
AZI2 Koreja

C
EUR3 (CRO or GER)
AME1 Brazil
AFR1 Kamerun

D
EUR4 (SLO or FRA)
OCE Novi Zeland
AFR2 Cape Verde


A1-B2
a2-b1
c1-d2
c2-d1...

You heard about this????????????????????? :confused:


...hey guys you have a couple of tough games there...they will be good to watch.

Lithuania-Lebanon
Croatia-Camerum

Jan van Grabski
09-15-2007, 10:40 PM
...hey guys you have a couple of tough games there...they will be good to watch.

Lithuania-Lebanon
Croatia-Camerum

can you elaborate, or are you just bored with your life ?

Marius123
09-15-2007, 10:40 PM
...hey guys you have a couple of tough games there...they will be good to watch.

Lithuania-Lebanon
Croatia-Camerum

Could you stop your clown-acting frolics, please? It gets pretty boring after a while.

estanis
09-15-2007, 10:43 PM
...im sorry guys i couldnt stop cracking myself up seeing that 2 games...i beg your pardon and good luck in your pre olympic tournament.

ArkadiosV2
09-16-2007, 12:36 AM
What is this bullshit? Last thing i want to see is Diamantidis and the other guys playing some IDIOTIC tournament vs SHITTY teams. They are playin 60+ games per season already, for fucks sake. What does FIBA want? Basketball players dropping dead in courts like footballers do lately? Piss off. SHITHEADS.

PRSURF
09-16-2007, 01:18 AM
Why Puerto Rico is number 2, when we win the bronze medal over Brazil?:o

daniab
09-16-2007, 08:17 AM
Why Puerto Rico is number 2, when we win the bronze medal over Brazil?:o
That's right.

Fearless
09-16-2007, 09:43 AM
A
EUR1 (RUS/LIT/GRE)
AME3 Kanada
AZI1 Libanon


B
EUR2 (CRO or GER)
AME2 Portoriko
AZI2 Koreja

C
EUR3 (CRO or GER)
AME1 Brazil
AFR1 Kamerun

D
EUR4 (SLO or FRA)
OCE Novi Zeland
AFR2 Cape Verde


A1-B2
a2-b1
c1-d2
c2-d1...

You heard about this????????????????????? :confused:


source?

cadeceus
09-17-2007, 02:15 AM
The "2nd Chance" Olympic Qualifying Tournament will be July 7-13, 2008. FIBA plans to announce the host by the end of November.

With only seven days to get down to three qualifying teams, the draw will be very important. The Euro and Americas teams are much stronger than the others.

All the Iran-Israel discussion is irrelevant because Iran already qualified as Asian champions and Israel didn't make it out of their group in the Euro Championship.

J-Mart
09-17-2007, 02:26 AM
Brazil will apply to host this tourney.
Puerto Rico too

J-Mart
09-17-2007, 02:27 AM
The Euro and Americas teams are much stronger than the others.
New Zealand is there.

can someone explain why Spain qualified directly to the Olympic Games and not Argentina?

cadeceus
09-17-2007, 03:14 AM
Spain qualified as 2006 World Champions and Argentina qualified as 2nd place in the Americas.
New Zealand is there.Good luck to the Tall Blacks. They'll need it.

J-Mart
09-17-2007, 03:45 AM
Spain qualified as 2006 World Champions and Argentina qualified as 2nd place in the Americas.Good luck to the Tall Blacks. They'll need it.
Olympic Games.... Argentina is the Olympic Champ, why the f... does the world champ get into the Olympics as easy as that?

the Olympic Champ should defend its title and Argentina should have gotten their spot automatically

Buducnost PG
09-17-2007, 09:14 AM
Olympic Games.... Argentina is the Olympic Champ, why the f... does the world champ get into the Olympics as easy as that?

the Olympic Champ should defend its title and Argentina should have gotten their spot automatically

Argentina get a direct spot on WC, when they won the olympics in Athens. The winner of 08 olympics will get a direct spot for the WC 2010. The winner of WC 2010 one direct spot for the olympics in 2012. Thats it how the FIBA handle it.

Argylex
09-17-2007, 02:58 PM
So, the teams who have already qualified are: Russia, Spain, Lithuania (Europe), USA, Argentina (America), Australia (Oceania), Angola (Africa), Iran (Asia), China (host). Right? Which leaves 3 spots open....
Now, for the qualifying tournament.... The Asian and African teams have no hope I think. As well as Canada... So it will be between the 4 euro teams (Greece, Germany, Croatia, Slovenia), Brazil, Puerto Rico and New Zealand... It will be a tough tournament for sure...

Hepcat
09-17-2007, 04:01 PM
The Asian and African teams have no hope I think. As well as Canada... So it will be between the 4 euro teams (Greece, Germany, Croatia, Slovenia), Brazil, Puerto Rico and New Zealand...

You're mostly right but don't write off Canada.

:mad:

Argylex
09-17-2007, 04:57 PM
You're mostly right but don't write off Canada.

:mad:


Nothing personal Hepcat:D
But with your 2007 roster, you surely have no hope... With Nash (mostly) and Magloire in, things will change. But will they be in the Olympic qualifying tournament?

turk_oglu
09-17-2007, 06:42 PM
where is turkey?

Sime
09-17-2007, 08:28 PM
Turkey can't go on Olympic.

karim
09-17-2007, 08:49 PM
So, the teams who have already qualified are: Russia, Spain, Lithuania (Europe), USA, Argentina (America), Australia (Oceania), Angola (Africa), Iran (Asia), China (host). Right? Which leaves 3 spots open....
Now, for the qualifying tournament.... The Asian and African teams have no hope I think. As well as Canada... So it will be between the 4 euro teams (Greece, Germany, Croatia, Slovenia), Brazil, Puerto Rico and New Zealand... It will be a tough tournament for sure...

New Zealand lost by 30 to China last month and they barely won japan(8th in asia this year) by 2 at the WBC last year......leb is a much better team where they always take China to close games at the asian championships and lose by a few points and beat Ven and Fra last yr who r both better teams than NZ.......

Argylex
09-17-2007, 09:21 PM
New Zealand lost by 30 to China last month and they barely won japan(8th in asia this year) by 2 at the WBC last year......leb is a much better team where they always take China to close games at the asian championships and lose by a few points and beat Ven and Fra last yr who r both better teams than NZ.......

OK. I admit that I haven't watched a New Zealand game since their best times:D (Loved the Maori dance:eek: ). Maybe you're right. We'll have to wait for the tournament (if there will be a tournament, strange things are heard...)
Best of luck to your team, karim:), but I believe that the Asia championships was your best shot...

cadeceus
09-17-2007, 10:55 PM
Can anyone confirm the tournament format that maka posted?

In that format the 3rd place qualifier will have to play 5 games in the 7 days that the tournament runs. Teams with a strong bench will have an advantage.

karim
09-18-2007, 12:28 AM
OK. I admit that I haven't watched a New Zealand game since their best times:D (Loved the Maori dance:eek: ). Maybe you're right. We'll have to wait for the tournament (if there will be a tournament, strange things are heard...)
Best of luck to your team, karim:), but I believe that the Asia championships was your best shot...

ya man ur right the asian championship was our best chance , im not saying lebanon will make it in the top 3 cuz i believe there are 6 teams better than lebanon but i do think leb can beat the african teams,NZ,korea and canada.....i predict lebanon will make it to the 1/8 and than lose their next elimination game........

PRSURF
09-18-2007, 02:54 AM
ya man ur right the asian championship was our best chance , im not saying lebanon will make it in the top 3 cuz i believe there are 6 teams better than lebanon but i do think leb can beat the african teams,NZ,korea and canada.....i predict lebanon will make it to the 1/8 and than lose their next elimination game........Bro, Canada is a better team now!!!:rolleyes:

stuart
09-18-2007, 04:36 AM
I find it a bit odd that this tournament's location hasn't been determined.

Stuart

cadeceus
09-18-2007, 08:57 AM
FIBA probably wants one of the participating teams to host, so they've waited to see who will be in the tournament.

If I was organizing the qualifying, I would divide the teams into three groups, with the winner of each group going to the olympics. Each group could be hosted by one of the participating countries.

Petran
09-18-2007, 10:14 PM
I am not certain that they will go on with it...

First of all, holding a tournament in the beginning of July and then having the Olympics at August deprives players of any rest and leads to burnout. For those that play in the NBA, or in the Euroleague and competive leagues, it is going to be a hellish summer.
Not to mention that a team can't simply be in its peak for two months. First you have to qualify, then you have to be competitive in the OG.

Can't see how this will work for the top teams....

cadeceus
09-18-2007, 11:47 PM
If they don't go ahead with it, how will they determine who goes to the Olympics?

When has FIBA cared about player burnout?

J-Mart
09-19-2007, 04:23 AM
http://www.primerahora.com/XStatic/primerahora/images/espanol/070918basketnt.jpg
By PrimeraHora.Com


"El Repechaje Sera Un Torneo Infernal"
"The Repechage Will Be An Infernal Tournament"

According to Alberto Garcia, one of the top ranked officials of FIBAAmericas, Greece, Puerto Rico and Korea are the early favorites to get the event.

According to him, Puerto Rico's advantage is that we can organize an event, and that a 2:00PM game here would be primetime in Europe. Greece advantage is that its a centrical country, and many of the nations are close to Greece.

Article (http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/baloncesto/accion_deportiva/grecia_se_perfila_como_potencial_sede_del_torneo_j unto_a_puerto_rico/110416)

stuart
09-19-2007, 05:23 AM
According to Alberto Garcia, one of the top ranked officials of FIBAAmericas, Greece, Puerto Rico and Korea are the early favorites to get the event.

According to him, Puerto Rico's advantage is that we can organize an event, and that a 2:00PM game here would be primetime in Europe. Greece advantage is that its a centrical country, and many of the nations are close to Greece.

Article (http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/baloncesto/accion_deportiva/grecia_se_perfila_como_potencial_sede_del_torneo_j unto_a_puerto_rico/110416)

How is it possible to have favorites when the official bidding process hasn't even begun according to Fiba (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/langid/1/newsid/22034/arti.html) themselves... doesn't sound very fair to me.

Stuart

J-Mart
09-19-2007, 04:23 PM
How is it possible to have favorites when the official bidding process hasn't even begun according to Fiba (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/langid/1/newsid/22034/arti.html) themselves... doesn't sound very fair to me.

Stuart
Life is not fair
ask Venezuela :D

stuart
09-19-2007, 07:11 PM
Life is not fair
:D
Thanks dad!

Stuart

L8DBACK
09-20-2007, 12:52 AM
I'm really looking forward to see how FIBA will group the countries in the Olympic Qualifying and in the '08 Olympics. In the past many of the basketball fans has always complained the grouping of teams is not fair. Sometimes you'll see for example, Group A might have a strong team with weaker teams and advance easily to the next round. Group B might have all strong teams preventing the other stronger teams to get in the next round so that weaker teams can have a chance to win in the next round. Does anybody knows how FIBA group teams into the different groups? Is it a fair process? Do they pull a card out of a hat? I guess no matter how FIBA group these teams, you cannot satisfy everyone and people will still complain.:cool: What are your thoughts?:confused:

J-Mart
09-20-2007, 02:27 AM
Group A
Europe 1
Europe 4
Americas 2
Americas 3
Asia 2
Africa 1


Group B
Europe 2
Europe 3
Americas 1
Oceania 1
Asia 1
Africa 2

I guess seeding-wise that would be ok

J-Mart
09-20-2007, 04:43 AM
Just posting this for information and because it's on today's newspaper and only God knows when this info will be available again...

Puerto Rico through history .vs.
Slovenia 0-1 .000
Greece 1-5 .167
Germany 2-2 .500
Lebanon 1-0 1.00
New Zealand 0-1 .000
Brazil 29-15 .659
Canada 23-8 .742
South Korea 3-0 1.00
Total 59-32 .648
Puerto Rico has never played against Camerun, Cape Verde or Croatia

Against Europeans: 3-8 .273
Against Americans: 52-23 .693
Against Asians: 4-0 1.00
Against Oceania: 0-1 .000
Against Africa: 0-0 .---

Hepcat
09-20-2007, 06:48 PM
Nothing personal Hepcat:D
But with your 2007 roster, you surely have no hope... With Nash (mostly) and Magloire in, things will change. But will they be in the Olympic qualifying tournament?

No problem. Leo Rautins could always suit up himself and play the defence the way he's chalked it up on the board.

;)

warren99
09-22-2007, 04:34 AM
Europe’s golden basketball dream in Beijing rests on a chosen few
source: sportingo.com

Spain, Russia and Lithuania have already booked their places at next year's Olympics – now the battle is on for Slovenia, Croatia, Germany and Greece to join them in the quest for glory. We assess their chances.
We all know Russia stunned Europe by winning the Eurobasket gold in Spain last weekend. What has been a low key fact among all of this is that the number of European teams competing for Olympic gold in Beijing has been pared down to just seven. The most notable omission from the list is Tony Parker’s French team, who not only lost the showdown for seventh place at Eurobasket against Slovenia, but also lost the opportunity to take part in the final Olympic qualifying tournament next summer.
There are two groups of teams who are still in the hunt. Spain, Russia and Lithuania are guaranteed a spot at the Olympics. As mentioned before, Spain were the very first qualifiers, getting in by virtue of winning the world championships last summer. Russia and Lithuania received an automatic berth as the top two finishers outside of the hosts at Eurobasket.
The other group of teams, Greece, Germany, Croatia and Slovenia, have booked their spot at the final qualifying tournament before the Olympic event itself. While these teams are not guaranteed a berth outright, their Olympic dreams still live on as they live to fight another day.
With only a year left until the main event, and with memories of Eurobasket’s fine competition still fresh, here is a look at the European teams that still have a shot at gold in Beijing:

1. The guys who have yet to make it:
Slovenia
They grabbed the last spot for the qualifier, by upsetting the French in a game that was close until a barrage of three-point shots from Jaka Lakovic to lead a 24-6 run at the beginning of the fourth quarter. Slovenia are a dangerous team, mainly because they force a slower tempo and they have a perfect blend of inside-outside basketball. It all starts with NBA centre Radoslav Nesterovic. He is a rock under the basket, a truly powerful post player who demands regular attention. Surround him with shooters who take rather good care of the ball and you get this Slovenian team. Their lack of depth might be their biggest shortcoming, but an Olympic berth is not out of the question, although they would need the best performances from each and every one of their players to achieve that feat.
Croatia
A real disappointment at the Eurobasket tournament. Croatia lacked any kind of style on their way to a sixth-place finish. The youth movement for Croatia began with last year’s world champs and for this tournament they boasted a roster with only two players born before 1980. Ex NA draft picks Zoran Planinic, Mario Kasun and Roko Leni Ukic, and current NBA roster space holder Damir Markota headlined the team. However, it was Zalgiris Kaunas’s Marko Popovic who provided most firepower. I really do not know what this team will be capable of because, for such a young roster, another year of experience could mean a whole lot. And the fact that they get some extra “bonding time” in next year’s qualifiers, could turn into a blessing down the line.
Germany
They managed to get the berth for the qualifiers, but do not think for a minute that Germany are happy about the way this Eurobasket tournament unfolded for them. With reigning NBA MVP Dirk Nowitzki leading the way, the Germans were hoping for a medal finish. Nothing could emphasise that more than the fact that they resisted the urge to start a youth movement and they got guys like Ademola Okulaja and Patrick Femerling once again to don the national jerseys. Mind you, it might have been the last time you see some of these players in a Germany shirt. Throughout the tournament it became an outright fact that this is a one-man show. Nowitzki simply got too little help from his team-mates for a medal finish. It really shows the NBA MVP’s greatness that they got to 5th spot, because the rest of the team did not look like they deserved it. Of the younger players, DKV Juventut’s Jan Jagla did have his moments. Germany will have to decide whether to go forth with the youth movement before or after the Olympics. It is an important decision that could shape German basketball’s future.
Greece
Much the same team that surprised the USA last year at the world champs were here for Eurobasket. The one notable omission, fan favorite Sofoklis Schortsianitis, was not around to amuse us with Europe’s version of the Shaq attack. This is a well put together team that goes into the qualifiers as a favourite to get a berth. Greece’s game is purely team-oriented, so to name any leaders would be foolish, as any one of them has been able to step up when the team needed it. The games they lost? Well, to put it simply, the opposition were better and had a deeper bench each time.

2. See you in Beijing
Lithuania
The first team to be truly stunned by the Russians. Lithuania’s game has always been smooth; it has always been about ball movement and involving every player on the court. That said, players like Ramunas Siskauskas and Sarunas Jasikevicius are simply invaluable. Jasikevicius is Europe’s version of , Carlos Arroyo – he makes you wonder how come he plays so well in the international game while being so bland in the NBA? Ever since the Sydney Olympics Lithuania have proven to be a team capable of winning it all. In Australia they came close to being the first outfit to beat the Dream Team, and they may very well do it this time around in Beijing.
Spain
Kings of the world but not of their own continent. Spain represent one of the powerhouses in basketball, right up there with the USA and Argentina. Pau Gasol is fast becoming one of the smartest, most dependable players in the world and his supporting cast is a selection of shooters, playmakers and hustlers. In other words, Spain have all of the tools to be able to bring back gold from Beijing.
Russia
Surprise, here are the the new kings of Europe. Since the fall of the Soviet Union Russia have not been able to rack up a gold medal in basketball. Until now that is. Andrei Kirilenko’s team started clicking at just the right time. Players like Viktor Khryapa and Sergei Monia helped out the Utah Jazz star who deservedly got the tournament MVP crown. If the team’s chemistry was not just a sudden rush of good form,then they can have serious hopes about that Olympic gold.

ArkadiosV2
09-23-2007, 06:02 PM
According to sport-express Lithuania will play in the qualifying tournament too.

But the article is so badly written that i think the russian journalist must have had 5 vodkas before writing it.

elaj
10-09-2007, 07:58 PM
Due the fact that Slovenia was also considering hosting the event Slovenian media reported that FIBA requirements for hosting this pre-Olympic qualifying tournaments are:

- arena for at least 8.000 visitors
- tournament budget at least 4.3M€
- FIBA takes the money from TV rights sale and not the country (basketball federation) which hosts the event
- some wierd restrictions about the advertising of/on the event

The decision which country will host the event will take part on 9th of December 2007 when FIBA will have a meeting about this issue. :rolleyes:

Crazy requirements if you ask me, especially that one with 4.3M€ tournament budget...

Joško Poljak Fan
10-09-2007, 09:31 PM
Due the fact that Slovenia was also considering hosting the event Slovenian media reported that FIBA requirements for hosting this pre-Olympic qualifying tournaments are:

- arena for at least 8.000 visitors
- tournament budget at least 4.3M€
- FIBA takes the money from TV rights sale and not the country (basketball federation) which hosts the event
- some wierd restrictions about the advertising of/on the event

The decision which country will host the event will take part on 9th of December 2007 when FIBA will have a meeting about this issue. :rolleyes:

Crazy requirements if you ask me, especially that one with 4.3M€ tournament budget...
that budget could be covered to some large extention if the organisers would be able to sell the tv rights (add some sold tickets, some sponsors and you're there somewhere)... without that, it can practicaly be described as buying your NT a spot at the olympics for 4.3 million €

if that summ is actually the budget, I failed to understand it that way than only thing I can say is: finally... I just hope Fiba will start to take care of their NT competitions a bit better (they are making lots of money there and should act accordingly) and cases like slovenian NT (in one of it's most complete versions) playing vs. Czech's in Prostejov in some 50 years old gym with capacity of 500 and 100 visitors... won't be happening again...

kestas
10-10-2007, 03:30 PM
the russian journalist must have had 5 vodkas before writing it.

I get a feeling half of the posters here have this problem..

Lithuania is in. I sincerely don't understand how half of the posts read as if they were written two years ago by a random text generator. I understand why our British friend has problems, but others.. :rolleyes:


I think FIBA should try to keep both teams from being in the same group, at least. Iran decided not to play the 2005 U21 WC, they put some lame excuse but the reason was they had to play Israel.

there was a very good interview with the Al-Jazeera reporter once (in our papers, during the Eurobasket). this TV-station group is supposedly showing all Euroleague games, most live, they also showed all Eurobasket games (had 8 reporters on spot, would you believe it..), they show a lot of NBA games, Spanish, Greek league games and so on. but they never ever showed and will not show any games by Maccabi or by the Israel NT. and this is a huge international network we're talking about.
anyways, I don't know if anybody should make exceptions because of that. I'm really not sure if this would be democratic or something completely the opposite. on the other hand, Israel, as a European state, has ~zero chances to reach Olympics or World championships in any forseable future, imho.
k

ArkadiosV2
10-10-2007, 03:37 PM
... without that, it can practicaly be described as buying your NT a spot at the olympics for 4.3 million €

Welcome to reality...

The press here and FIBA Europe president it take it for granted that it will be hosted in OAKA by the way, money isn't the issue for Greece as the Greek government would finance everything that would make the rich richer and the poor poorer...

T.W.Is.M.
10-10-2007, 10:26 PM
Welcome to reality...

The press here and FIBA Europe president it take it for granted that it will be hosted in OAKA by the way, money isn't the issue for Greece as the Greek government would finance everything that would make the rich richer and the poor poorer...

Exactly.In a NBA/Europe broadcast last night it was said that Greece is the top favorite 2 host the qualifying tournament and the one who could pull a surprise would b Brazil.

LFGC79
10-25-2007, 05:49 PM
The system of competition for the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men will be as follows:

Preliminary Round:

The 12 participating teams will be divided into four groups (A, B, C and D) of three teams each. Each team will play all the other teams in its own group. The teams placed 1st and 2nd in each group will play in the Quarter-Finals; the teams placed 3rd in each group will go home. A total of 12 games will be played in the Preliminary Round.

Quarter-Finals:

Game 13: A1 vs. B2
Game 14: B1 vs. A2
Game 15: C1 vs. D2
Game 16: D1 vs. C2

Semi-Finals:

Game 17: Winner 13 vs. Winner 15
Game 18: Winner 14 vs. Winner 16

The two winners will qualify for the Olympic Games. The two losers will play in the Finals the game for the 3rd place (Game 19 below) for one remaining qualifying place.

Finals:

Game 19: Loser 17 vs. Loser 18

re5pectas
10-26-2007, 07:15 AM
and how they are planing to put teams in the first 4 groups?
i hope it won't be like putting all the strongest together...

J-Mart
11-01-2007, 11:31 PM
Puerto Rico made it official. We made a bid at the tournament. The only competition so far... Greece.

ArkadiosV2
11-02-2007, 12:28 AM
The only official one. The rest are just working on the details. I'm sure more European federations want this tournament and are looking for sponsors.

Just like any serious federation woul do.

But in Greece the system doesn't work in that way. The state pays for just about anything that will boost the nation's morale and turn their attention away from the government's impotence.

Socialism in all it's glory. And they call themselves right wing...

PRSURF
11-02-2007, 04:06 AM
The only official one. The rest are just working on the details. I'm sure more European federations want this tournament and are looking for sponsors.

Just like any serious federation woul do.

But in Greece the system doesn't work in that way. The state pays for just about anything that will boost the nation's morale and turn their attention away from the government's impotence.

Socialism in all it's glory. And they call themselves right wing...Puerto Rico and Greece are the only one right now to be the host of this tournament.

alermac
11-02-2007, 05:21 AM
But in Greece the system doesn't work in that way. The state pays for just about anything that will boost the nation's morale and turn their attention away from the government's impotence.
Don't be so hard on Greece, all governments in the world think alike:rolleyes:

PS: I still say the most interesting team will be Cape Verde. It's really intriguing to see what they can do.

Timtim
11-03-2007, 10:35 PM
isn iran among asian teams? they are asian champions, arent they?:confused:


Lithuania.. Yehhh

alermac
11-04-2007, 12:21 AM
Puerto Rico and Greece are the only one right now to be the host of this tournament.
Brazil had also applied, but today finally decided not to.

Straight forward
11-05-2007, 08:56 AM
Speaking about Europe, i would like the strongest team in olimpics. Most likely it will be Greece, though Slovenia and Croatia were better at Eurobasket and has good chances while Greece is the team which needs more time to find their play. And i realy hope it won't be Germany, what would mean that European basketball would be represented by NBA star and NBA would grab onother easy media's victory in the issue "NBA and the world".

Speaking about America, i hope to see Puerto Rico and enjoy Carlos Arroyo and Larry Ayuso offensive skils and "wild raider" style of basketball, which is always more intertesting than arrogant USA basketball.

damelo
11-05-2007, 03:40 PM
Well, Ayuso can decide a game in both senses i think... For me, what i've seen about Puerto Rico is a game based on 1 on 1 by the guards. So, i'm not sure they will make it. Brasil seems to me good enough. But, favourites are European teams for me, and the Olympics are the dream of every sportman in the world, so everybody will come. Beware Slovenia and Croatia then.

PRSURF
11-05-2007, 04:14 PM
In the brackets, the european team could eliminate themselves before the semifinals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournament_2008

Phantim3dx
11-06-2007, 05:24 AM
Speaking about Europe, i would like the strongest team in olimpics. Most likely it will be Greece, though Slovenia and Croatia were better at Eurobasket and has good chances while Greece is the team which needs more time to find their play. And i realy hope it won't be Germany, what would mean that European basketball would be represented by NBA star and NBA would grab onother easy media's victory in the issue "NBA and the world".

Speaking about America, i hope to see Puerto Rico and enjoy Carlos Arroyo and Larry Ayuso offensive skils and "wild raider" style of basketball, which is always more intertesting than arrogant USA basketball.

yes all americans who play basketball are automatically arrogant...you are absolutely correct :rolleyes:

is there a sarcasm button somewhere?

Straight forward
11-06-2007, 10:02 AM
yes all americans who play basketball are automatically arrogant...you are absolutely correct :rolleyes:

is there a sarcasm button somewhere?

no offense, man, but i remember 2000 olimpics and that moment when Garnet grabed Songaila's shirts after tipical foul... i remember Carter's stupid moves, not even talk about Carmelo or Wade (both compeletely stupid kids as persons) behaviour. Not all americans are arrogant, but USA team is always arrogant, believe me, it's obviously.

Crozet
11-14-2007, 01:17 AM
The european Teams will make it.

alermac
11-14-2007, 06:03 PM
The european Teams will make it.
I agree, unless somehow Brazil becomes a well-coached team that actually takes advantage of its talent.

PRSURF
11-14-2007, 06:40 PM
Yep, the european team's are the main favorites!;)

elaj
11-14-2007, 09:36 PM
FIBA said they will pick only among two candidats - Greece (Athens) and Puerto Rico (San Juan). The decision should be known on 9th of December 2007.

I hope it will be Greece.

PRSURF
11-14-2007, 10:42 PM
FIBA said they will pick only among two candidats - Greece (Athens) and Puerto Rico (San Juan). The decision should be known on 9th of December 2007.

I hope it will be Greece.I hope it will be Puerto Rico

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4149/startingfiveqp5.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1921/offthebenchqa5.jpg

LFGC79
11-15-2007, 06:21 PM
Santiago???

I think that the way the tournament is built will probably preclude all of the qualifying teams to be from Europe. The two top ones will probably eliminate others.

If three European teams were to advance, any thoughts on which European team would be eliminated? IMHO Croatia and Germany will have to play great games against SLV & GRE. However, I wonder who in the teams from the other regions will be able to contain Dirk.

I still root for PR to try to get a spot in this very competitive tournament.

Petran
11-17-2007, 11:24 AM
Well,

I think that this tournament will be held in Greece...

Reasons are obvious:
1) Vassilakopoulos - President FIBA Europe
2) Ioannides - As the minister responsible for Sports. I am certain that he will provide all the means available.
3) Spectators - I think that we can provide better numbers than Puerto Rico.
4) Venues - We are obviously better due to hosting the OG in 04.
5) Greece is situated better than Puertor Rico as for teams travelling.

Nevertheless, this is very important for us. Not only do we need to be in the Olympics, but hosting the tournament in Greece will provide better conditions for players that hesitate to confirm their presence. Example Papaloukas, Dikoudis. Not only will they get more rest but it will be much more difficult for them to exclude themselves from a tournament held in their own country.

I don't want to be arrogant here - But I am certain that this is the case.
Anyway, we'll see.

PRSURF
11-17-2007, 03:17 PM
Well,

I think that this tournament will be held in Greece...

Reasons are obvious:
1) Vassilakopoulos - President FIBA Europe
2) Ioannides - As the minister responsible for Sports. I am certain that he will provide all the means available.
3) Spectators - I think that we can provide better numbers than Puerto Rico.
4) Venues - We are obviously better due to hosting the OG in 04.
5) Greece is situated better than Puertor Rico as for teams travelling.

Nevertheless, this is very important for us. Not only do we need to be in the Olympics, but hosting the tournament in Greece will provide better conditions for players that hesitate to confirm their presence. Example Papaloukas, Dikoudis. Not only will they get more rest but it will be much more difficult for them to exclude themselves from a tournament held in their own country.

I don't want to be arrogant here - But I am certain that this is the case.
Anyway, we'll see.Yeah, Greece is better than Puerto Rico in

Coliseum Agrelot:
http://www.vivesanjuan.com/otros/choliseo_1.jpg

http://storage.msn.com/x1pqP5noGPWAA5opDEwNViCpU2Phy0PnauW2sqPJzIx4jMTCuC _BDPnwMA9xzeUUzfitOxTh6UGDQpTdAS9VbbRncd9riQIaJSTD uUD6_tCDI1GKKvaZg0aIIDd8eyksN9TY79pncs56iH0WxmHqSw VUQ

Coliseo Roberto Clemente:
http://www.vivesanjuan.com/otros/coliseorobertoclemente.jpg


Coliseo Rubén Rodríguez de Bayamón:
http://www.meetpuertorico.com/espanol/mwmanager/imagesrv.asp?id=42950

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7169/tdwaterhouse332ch5.jpg

Coliseo Juan (pachin) Vicens:
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/38/300px-Pachin-audi.jpg

http://www.norceca.org/Campeonatos%20M-F%20Juveniles%202006/Regulations_sub202006/photogallery_sub-20%20Women-mex_2006/Auditorio_Juan__Pachin__Vicens.jpg

2) We have Jenaro TUTO Marchand :D

3) Spectators: Basketball is the number 1 sport in Puerto Rico :o

4) Venues: We host more NT events of basketball than Greece

5) In Puerto Rico we treat better the foreigner and Puerto Rico is in the Caribbean :cool:

6) From 2002 in America it is not celebrated a world tournament in America and I think this time is for us.

7) For years any tournament its celebrated in Latinamerica and I think this a big oppurtunity!:D

wLtTVSTNt7M

hahahaha, ok well done:o

but if this tournament is in Greece, Greece will cheer for us like the 2004 Olympics:

hKwv2Lp1egQ

ArkadiosV2
11-19-2007, 08:12 PM
According to a greek basketball blog who contacted the Sports vice minister who happens to be a former Greece NT coach and he said the overall cost of the Pre-Olympic Tournament will be 3M Euros. That's almost $4.5M

The expenses will be covered 50-50 by the Greek Basketball fEderation and the Greek Sports Ministry.

When is the decision due anyway?

PRSURF
11-19-2007, 09:18 PM
According to a greek basketball blog who contacted the Sports vice minister who happens to be a former Greece NT coach and he said the overall cost of the Pre-Olympic Tournament will be 3M Euros. That's almost $4.5M

The expenses will be covered 50-50 by the Greek Basketball fEderation and the Greek Sports Ministry.

When is the decision due anyway?
I think is in december!

J-Mart
11-20-2007, 04:32 AM
the guy who promoted the Tournament of the Americas 1999, and 2003 said in an interview that unless something big happens, Puerto Rico should be the host of the games.



“Me atrevería a decir que hay un 75 por ciento de probabilidad de que la sede del llamado Repechaje sea Puerto Rico. Lo único que lo impediría sería que alguien de alguno de los países participantes sacara la chequera y aportara una cantidad sustancialmente mayor a la que aportaremos nosotros para montar el evento”


http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/baloncesto/accion_deportiva/favorita_la_isla_para_ser_sede/130166



Well,

I think that this tournament will be held in Greece...

Reasons are obvious:
1) Vassilakopoulos - President FIBA Europe
2) Ioannides - As the minister responsible for Sports. I am certain that he will provide all the means available.
3) Spectators - I think that we can provide better numbers than Puerto Rico.
4) Venues - We are obviously better due to hosting the OG in 04.
5) Greece is situated better than Puertor Rico as for teams travelling.

Nevertheless, this is very important for us. Not only do we need to be in the Olympics, but hosting the tournament in Greece will provide better conditions for players that hesitate to confirm their presence. Example Papaloukas, Dikoudis. Not only will they get more rest but it will be much more difficult for them to exclude themselves from a tournament held in their own country.

I don't want to be arrogant here - But I am certain that this is the case.
Anyway, we'll see.
1) Tuto Marchand
2) Greece wont put more spectators than Puerto Rico.
3) Coliseo de Puerto Rico is one of the best arenas in the world.
4) The afternoon games would be primetime in Europe (2:00PM games in PR would be like 20:00 - 21:00 in Germany)
5) It would be a nice publicity stunt for Governor Acevedo Vila right on Election Year

It has been a noisy secret in Puerto Rico that we will host the games, everybody here is whispering that its a sure thing but... snit happens :rolleyes:

KWSN-Men
11-20-2007, 07:01 AM
the guy who promoted the Tournament of the Americas 1999, and 2003 said in an interview that unless something big happens, Puerto Rico should be the host of the games.



http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/baloncesto/accion_deportiva/favorita_la_isla_para_ser_sede/130166


1) Tuto Marchand
2) Greece wont put more spectators than Puerto Rico.
3) Coliseo de Puerto Rico is one of the best arenas in the world.
4) The afternoon games would be primetime in Europe (2:00PM games in PR would be like 20:00 - 21:00 in Germany)
5) It would be a nice publicity stunt for Governor Acevedo Vila right on Election Year

It has been a noisy secret in Puerto Rico that we will host the games, everybody here is whispering that its a sure thing but... snit happens :rolleyes:

Greece almost always gets the games it bids for. And has a long tradition of well organised venues. I don't think Puerto Rico has a chance if Greece really decides to push for the games. Sorry.

LFGC79
12-07-2007, 02:44 PM
The location for next years Olympic qualifier will be announced this Sunday.

ArkadiosV2
12-07-2007, 10:27 PM
Can a mod add a poll to this thread? Greece or Puerto Rico? I wish it's Greece so I can see some great NTs live.

PRSURF
12-09-2007, 10:12 AM
I think Greece wil win these because they will pay the passages of the african team's and 2 million more than Puerto Rico:(

J-Mart
12-09-2007, 10:09 PM
Greece won

a shame cuz I wont be able to watch the game but great cuz Hector Martinez couldn't continue to monopolize basketball in Puerto Rico (well, he will buy the tv rights for the games and will sell them to DirecTV and I wont be able to watch the NT for 4th straight year :rolleyes: )

Juan Carlos Nadal
12-09-2007, 10:51 PM
Does anyone know the format of the draw? Are there gonna be any seeds or can, let's say, all Euro teams end up in the same group?

PRSURF
12-09-2007, 11:09 PM
Shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why Europe or Asia? that is sooo stupid , i never seen a europe o asian team playing latinamerica, thats a shame, we have good coliseum, good people, lot of good stuff, Fiba=SUCKS:mad:

C-ka
12-09-2007, 11:28 PM
once again FIBA's decision in favor of Greece... No surprise here, but definitely not nice too...

ArkadiosV2
12-10-2007, 12:39 AM
Well, hadn't you been so optimistic, you wouldn't feel so disappointed now...

JCN, no idea, but I found this:

Format

* The teams will be divided into four groups (Groups A-D) for the preliminary round.
* Round robin for the preliminary round; the top two teams from each group advance to the quarterfinals. The last-placed team in each group are eliminated.
* A single-elimination tournament will then be held; the quarterfinals pairings are:
o A1 vs. B2
o B1 vs. A2
o C1 vs. D2
o D1 vs. C2
* The semifinal pairings will be A1/B2 vs. B1/A2 and C1/D2 and D1/C2. The semifinal winners are qualified for the Olympics. No championship game will be held.
* The semifinal losers will play for the last Olympic qualifying berth.

jimstam
12-10-2007, 05:27 PM
Shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why Europe or Asia? that is sooo stupid , i never seen a europe o asian team playing latinamerica, thats a shame, we have good coliseum, good people, lot of good stuff, Fiba=SUCKS:mad:
About time Puerto Rico did not get ANOTHER Olympic qualification tournament.
P.Rico hosted 2000 Americas tournament where Canada qualified with Nash & Todd McCulloch in final and went on to win round-robin group in Sydney.
Then P. Rico AGAIN got to host 2004 Americas qualification tournament so they ended up winning of course with that 40 year old guy Arroyo.
As a Greek Canadian I was so happy they got their butts kicked by Greece in Athens.

Canada or someone else should have hosted 2004 pre-Americas tourney not PR again.

So nice to see Greece (the birthplace of Olympics) get 2008 pre-Olympic tourney over PRico and have nice advantage to claim 1 of 3 spots available and also to use 2004 Olympics excellent facilities.

C-ka
12-10-2007, 06:17 PM
Then P. Rico AGAIN got to host 2004 Americas qualification tournament so they ended up winning of course with that 40 year old guy Arroyo.
As a Greek Canadian I was so happy they got their butts kicked by Greece in Athens.

So nice to see Greece (the birthplace of Olympics) get 2008 pre-Olympic tourney over PRico and have nice advantage to claim 1 of 3 spots available and also to use 2004 Olympics excellent facilities.
first of all, I think you meant Ortiz, not Arroyo, that's already wierd from you...
Now, Greece failed to get straight into the games on their own, and have to fight for the place in a pre-tournament, being the clear favorite of it. And yet they are given all the privilages... I mean, why should you be so happy that the favorites are still given "nice advantages" so to make it certain they get into where they are supposed to be (at least in Vassilokopoulos mind).
Federations favoring the favorites will never come into good for the sakes of developement of basketball worldwise.

Waneko
12-10-2007, 06:50 PM
first of all, I think you meant Ortiz, not Arroyo, that's already wierd from you...
Now, Greece failed to get straight into the games on their own, and have to fight for the place in a pre-tournament, being the clear favorite of it. And yet they are given all the privilages... I mean, why should you be so happy that the favorites are still given "nice advantages" so to make it certain they get into where they are supposed to be (at least in Vassilokopoulos mind).
Federations favoring the favorites will never come into good for the sakes of developement of basketball worldwise.

Jim's just mad because the 40 year old guy dominated Canada and just about single handedly eliminated them from the 2004 Olympics.

PRSURF
12-10-2007, 07:38 PM
About time Puerto Rico did not get ANOTHER Olympic qualification tournament.
P.Rico hosted 2000 Americas tournament where Canada qualified with Nash & Todd McCulloch in final and went on to win round-robin group in Sydney.
Then P. Rico AGAIN got to host 2004 Americas qualification tournament so they ended up winning of course with that 40 year old guy Arroyo.
As a Greek Canadian I was so happy they got their butts kicked by Greece in Athens.

Canada or someone else should have hosted 2004 pre-Americas tourney not PR again.
Yeah and we kicked your butt in all the tournament, in USA too!!:D


NEXT!!

donmar
12-11-2007, 06:49 AM
Jim's just mad because the 40 year old guy dominated Canada and just about single handedly eliminated them from the 2004 Olympics.

This is funny... That 40 year old guy is a legend!!!:)

cadeceus
12-11-2007, 12:48 PM
* Round robin for the preliminary round; the top two teams from each group advance to the quarterfinals. The last-placed team in each group are eliminated.This is a terrible format. At least one group will end up with all three teams tied 1-1 and some stupid tie-breaker will eliminate a country from the Olympics.

I'll be interested to hear how they are allocating teams to the groups.

jimstam
12-12-2007, 08:12 PM
first of all, I think you meant Ortiz, not Arroyo, that's already wierd from you...
Now, Greece failed to get straight into the games on their own, and have to fight for the place in a pre-tournament, being the clear favorite of it. And yet they are given all the privilages... I mean, why should you be so happy that the favorites are still given "nice advantages" so to make it certain they get into where they are supposed to be (at least in Vassilokopoulos mind).
Federations favoring the favorites will never come into good for the sakes of developement of basketball worldwise.

BTW, thats weird not wierd. :) ->
who gives a flying @% what his name was, bottom line Puerto Rico has unfairly hosted too many tournaments in Americas, nice to see Greece beat them out cause Canada couldn't.
and good luck in Athens vs. European teams..

LFGC79
12-13-2007, 02:54 PM
BTW, thats weird not wierd. :) ->
who gives a flying @% what his name was, bottom line Puerto Rico has unfairly hosted too many tournaments in Americas, nice to see Greece beat them out cause Canada couldn't.
and good luck in Athens vs. European teams..

Don't hate man. Take it easy. We defeated you at the ToA, so what, who cares. It's not the first time, and of course it won't be the last. Although, they had a good team this year. Making Dalambert a resident just before the tournament was a great move, and probably a very expensive one.

Canada did not bid to host this tournament, that's why they did not beat us at hosting it. Greece and PR were the only two countries that placed bids.

Maybe you guys need your own professional league, that way FIBA will send some events your way :). What happened to the NBL?

cadeceus
12-14-2007, 09:23 PM
Making Dalambert a resident just before the tournament was a great move, and probably a very expensive one.What do you mean by that?


Maybe you guys need your own professional league, that way FIBA will send some events your way :). There are a couple of professional leagues that have teams in Canada. One of them is called the NBA. Ever heard of it? :rolleyes:

LFGC79
12-14-2007, 09:55 PM
Maybe you guys need your own professional league, that way FIBA will send some events your way :). What happened to the NBL?

Nice!!!

I guess your reading/comprehension skills are slightly below average, you must be a very smart 17 y/o.:rolleyes:

You see most countries that host FIBA games have their own professional league, not their teams on other leagues.

In a hypothetical example if country X has a professional basketball league that shuts down in less than 2 years due to lack of interest/poor attendance FIBA will hesitate to organize an event there. Another example would be the now defunct Vancouver Grizzlies. These things are usually about the $$$.

I would appreciate a more mature discussion from you next time instead of childish sarcasm, which by the way bores me.

cadeceus
12-16-2007, 07:13 PM
These things are usually about the $$$. Absolutely. That's why Greece will be hosting the tournament. Basketball Canada didn't apply to host because they couldn't afford to compete with the subsidies that Greece and Puerto Rico were offering.

That is also why the Vancouver Grizzlies moved, not lack of interest/poor attendance. Memphis lured them with huge government subsidies.

Whether there is an exclusively Canadian league is irrelevant. If you look at pro sports teams in Canada you'll see that they are almost always part of a North American League.

I'm still interested in what you mean about making Dalambert a citizen just being expensive. I hope you are able to respond without resorting to insults.

Kings
01-24-2008, 12:10 PM
Draw of the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men to take place on 31st January in Athens (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/presRele/p/langid/1/newsid/23271/presReleArti.html)

Federoy
01-25-2008, 08:45 AM
According to the FIBA website, Athens has been chosen as the Pre-Olympic Tournament site, which in my opinion is both good and bad. On one hand, I like the idea of the Olympic tournament having the best available teams in the world competing against each other, and certainly by having the Pre-Olympic tournament staged in Athens it gives the FIBA Europe Zone (the strongest of the five zones) the best opportunity to field 5 or 6 teams at this summer's Olympics, which would add depth to an already talented field. Of course, just because the tournament is set in Europe doesn't mean an automatic birth for European teams to Beijing. But there's no question that Athens gives a considerable homecourt advantage to Slovenia, Germany, Croatia, and especially Greece. I wouldn't have objected to the tournament being held in Puerto Rico (which has experience hosting regional tournaments) or Brazil (a long history in basketball and perennial powers), which I believe would have given weaker, less talented teams more of a fighting chance to qualify on a non-European neutral court. Just as I enjoy watching the best compete against each other, I'm also intrigued by the introduction of new countries competing in the Olympics like Iran and potentially Cape Verde or Camaroon. For me at least there are pluses and minuses in FIBA's decision to choose Athens as the host.

alermac
01-25-2008, 07:44 PM
Shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why Europe or Asia? that is sooo stupid , i never seen a europe o asian team playing latinamerica, thats a shame, we have good coliseum, good people, lot of good stuff, Fiba=SUCKS:mad:
I think the last time was in Argentina '90 World Championship.


Whether there is an exclusively Canadian league is irrelevant. If you look at pro sports teams in Canada you'll see that they are almost always part of a North American League.
But how many Canadian players are on those teams?

ajaxballer
01-26-2008, 12:13 AM
Don't hate man. Take it easy. We defeated you at the ToA, so what, who cares. It's not the first time, and of course it won't be the last. Although, they had a good team this year. Making Dalambert a resident just before the tournament was a great move, and probably a very expensive one.

Canada did not bid to host this tournament, that's why they did not beat us at hosting it. Greece and PR were the only two countries that placed bids.

Maybe you guys need your own professional league, that way FIBA will send some events your way :). What happened to the NBL?

Just so you know Dalembert started playing basketball In Montreal Canada and
his Mother and Father still live there. Dalembert was trying to become a Canadian citizen for a few years, it wasn't till this year that he finally go it. I think it had something to with having to live in the country so many days out of the year to get it.

ArkadiosV2
01-30-2008, 07:29 PM
Official Pre-Olympic Tournament website HERE (http://www.basket.gr/oqr/index.asp) , but I can't see an English version.

Draw will take place tomorrow at 17:00 CET and it will be covered by this site.

cadeceus
01-30-2008, 09:26 PM
Maybe you guys need your own professional league, that way FIBA will send some events your way :).
Whether there is an exclusively Canadian league is irrelevant. If you look at pro sports teams in Canada you'll see that they are almost always part of a North American League.
But how many Canadian players are on those teams?Are you asking about basketball or professional sports teams in general? It depends on the league.

In basketball, the Raptors don't have any Canadians, but the minor league teams do. How is it relevant to Canada being a suitable host for FIBA events?

damelo
01-31-2008, 08:34 AM
Well, tournament in Athens... So FIBA wants to get sure Greece, one of the top 4 teams those past years, go to Beijing, this is quite logical.

Straight forward
01-31-2008, 03:29 PM
Well, tournament in Athens... So FIBA wants to get sure Greece, one of the top 4 teams those past years, go to Beijing, this is quite logical.

Greece will have to prove they are worth to go to Olympics. Referees still won't be able to do it all.

ArkadiosV2
01-31-2008, 03:44 PM
Greece will have to prove they are worth to go to Olympics. Referees still won't be able to do it all.

Do you seriously believe 1% that Greece will not make it? Why the fuck do you think they paid 3.000.000 Euros?

ArkadiosV2
01-31-2008, 04:06 PM
Pot 1:

Greece
Germany
Croatia
Slovenia

Pot 2:

Brazil
Puerto Rico
Canada
New Zealand

Pot 3:

Cameroon
Lebanon
Korea
Cape Verde

ArkadiosV2
01-31-2008, 04:15 PM
Group A:

Greece
Brazil
Lebanon

Group B:

Germany
New Zealand
Cape Verde

Group C:

Slovenia
Canada
Korea

Group D:

Croatia
Puerto Rico
Cameroon

No Slovenia for Greece until the semis :)

Trifilli
01-31-2008, 04:29 PM
Most difficult group for Greece, but a possible easy quarterfinal in case of a first place in the group phase...

daniab
01-31-2008, 04:33 PM
tough group for Lebanon ....

Jan van Grabski
01-31-2008, 04:35 PM
Most difficult group for Greece, but a possible easy quarterfinal in case of a first place in the group phase...

by easy you mean Germany or NZ (2nd place of Group B)? I am not familiar with the format, i am sure it was posted in the thread, i am just tooo lazy to browse. BTW, does anyone know if Nowitzki will participate in this tournament ?


P.S. What is the point to have official page of international tournament only in national language ? :mad: oh, greeks.....they always come up with some strange solutions, how to make your life difficult :rolleyes: :D

elaj
01-31-2008, 04:35 PM
No Slovenia for Greece until the semis :)
:D :D :D

Anyway, I'm not underastimating anyone, but I think Slovenia and all European countries shouldn't have major problems in group stages.

ArkadiosV2
01-31-2008, 04:39 PM
by easy you mean Germany or NZ (2nd place of Group B)? I am not familiar with the format, i am sure it was posted in the thread, i am just tooo lazy to browse.
* The teams will be divided into four groups (Groups A-D) for the preliminary round.
* Round robin for the preliminary round; the top two teams from each group advance to the quarterfinals. The last-placed team in each group are eliminated.
* A single-elimination tournament will then be held; the quarterfinals pairings are:
o A1 vs. B2
o B1 vs. A2
o C1 vs. D2
o D1 vs. C2
* The semifinal pairings will be A1/B2 vs. B1/A2 and C1/D2 and D1/C2. The semifinal winners are qualified for the Olympics. No championship game will be held.
* The semifinal losers will play for the last Olympic qualifying berth.

Trifilli
01-31-2008, 04:39 PM
by easy you mean Germany or NZ (2nd place of Group B)? I am not familiar with the format, i am sure it was posted in the thread, i am just tooo lazy to browse. BTW, does anyone know if Nowitzki will participate in this tournament ?

New Zealand or Cap Verde. I don't think that Germany will lose a game in this group. Nowitzki will play.


P.S. What is the point to have official page of international tournament only in national language ? :mad: oh, greeks.....they always come up with some strange solutions. :rolleyes:

There's not more information on that site than on the official FIBA site, even less (if you count in the official press kit on the FIBA site), at least for now ;)

Btw, what are the bets? Will Varejao take the summer off? :D

elaj
01-31-2008, 04:45 PM
* The teams will be divided into four groups (Groups A-D) for the preliminary round.
* Round robin for the preliminary round; the top two teams from each group advance to the quarterfinals. The last-placed team in each group are eliminated.
* A single-elimination tournament will then be held; the quarterfinals pairings are:
o A1 vs. B2
o B1 vs. A2
o C1 vs. D2
o D1 vs. C2
* The semifinal pairings will be A1/B2 vs. B1/A2 and C1/D2 and D1/C2. The semifinal winners are qualified for the Olympics. No championship game will be held.
* The semifinal losers will play for the last Olympic qualifying berth.
If everything goes as planned Slovenia will meet Croatia in the semis. Even better. :D

Trifilli
01-31-2008, 04:54 PM
If everything goes as planned Slovenia will meet Croatia in the semis. Even better. :D

According to the press kit (link (http://www.fiba.com/downloads/media_center/press_kit/OQT_Athens/press.pdf), last page) the Semifinals are gonna be A1/B2 vs. C1/D2 and B1/A2 vs. D1/C2, so Greece and Slovenia could possibly meet in the Semis if both take the 1st place in their group.

rikhardur
01-31-2008, 05:00 PM
The toughest group is definitely Group A, anything could happen actually, although Greece will end up on top imo. I'm curious to see what effect coach Monsalve will have on Brazil, their potential is unlimited, let's see how it'll be fulfilled now with a new coach and supposedly better chemistry and especially harmony between the players.
The weakest group is imo Group C, Slovenia should easily become no 1. It's time for them to shake the demons.
Germany won't have an easy task, although I hope they will pass (Nowitzki bias working). Cape Verde showed a lot in last Afrobasket, they could surprise both Germany and NZ.
As for Group D, Puerto Rico has been on the low side lately, but with them you never know ;)

Joško Poljak Fan
01-31-2008, 05:04 PM
damn... I'd prefer anyone but Greece in the semi's, eventhough there still is that 3rd spot leading to olympics.
In such a short tournament surprises can and will happen, I just hope that won't again be the case with our NT- slovenian fans have witnessed too many of those, so I guess we would deserve some peace after all that...

PRSURF
01-31-2008, 05:08 PM
damn... I'd prefer anyone but Greece in the semi's, eventhough there still is that 3rd spot leading to olympics.
In such a short tournament surprises can and will happen, I just hope that won't again be the case with our NT- slovenian fans have witnessed too many of those, so I guess we would deserve some peace after all that...HAHAHA

I like the group A, the group D of Puerto Rico is good.

elaj
01-31-2008, 05:10 PM
According to the press kit (link (http://www.fiba.com/downloads/media_center/press_kit/OQT_Athens/press.pdf), last page) the Semifinals are gonna be A1/B2 vs. C1/D2 and B1/A2 vs. D1/C2, so Greece and Slovenia could possibly meet in the Semis if both take the 1st place in their group.
Yeah, that's right. I'm also happy to meet Greeks in the semis. :) Should be a fun game to watch considering our players who played on EC should be quite fired... :D

Alyosha12
01-31-2008, 07:20 PM
Wait why is everyone saying we meet Greece in the semis?
The way i see it we get PR?
And they easiest group is ours i think, no diss to Canada.

London78
01-31-2008, 07:46 PM
Does anyone know when they're going to release the schedule (i.e. when each team plays the other teams in its group during the round robin)?

alermac
01-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Are you asking about basketball or professional sports teams in general? It depends on the league.

In basketball, the Raptors don't have any Canadians, but the minor league teams do. How is it relevant to Canada being a suitable host for FIBA events?
It doesn't directly, but the fact that there is no own pro league may say something about the professionalism of the Canadian directives and its organization.

alermac
01-31-2008, 08:35 PM
Group B:

Germany
New Zealand
Cape Verde
There is no way Germany doesn't win this group. And NZ better not take Cape Verde for granted.

ArkadiosV2
01-31-2008, 09:55 PM
Does anyone know when they're going to release the schedule (i.e. when each team plays the other teams in its group during the round robin)?

Game 1: (July 14th)

Greece - Lebanon
New Zealand - Cape Verde
Korea - Slovenia
Croatia - Cameroon

Game 2: (July 15th)

Lebanon - Brazil
Cape Verde - Germany
Slovenia - Canada
Cameroon - Puerto Rico

Game 3: (July 16th)

Brazil - Greece
Germany - New Zealand
Canada - Korea
Puerto Rico - Croatia

J-Mart
01-31-2008, 10:28 PM
Puerto Rico is in renovation, who knows what well see (or in my case, dont see :rolleyes: )

PRSURF
01-31-2008, 10:38 PM
Wait why is everyone saying we meet Greece in the semis?
The way i see it we get PR?
And they easiest group is ours i think, no diss to Canada.Mmm we can beat Croatia. If Slovenia get the first place in his group, they will play vs the second place of the group D, could be Croatia or PR.

Alyosha12
02-01-2008, 08:31 AM
Mmm we can beat Croatia. If Slovenia get the first place in his group, they will play vs the second place of the group D, could be Croatia or PR.

Yes you could beat Croatia but not likely i give it a 30-70 chance, im not dissing thats just how i feel, and who knows if we take the first spot in our grouop lol, Slovenia has always had problems in games where we were the favorites.

fasoulaki
02-01-2008, 08:49 AM
Group A:
Greece
Brazil
Lebanon


Accept your fate Brazil! You will be destroyed in Athens with Nikos Zisis beeing the top scorer and afterwards 20.000 Fans will throw their cellular phones, coins, bottles on Anderson Varejao and Greece will be disqualified from the Olympic tournament!

I am wondering if the crazy curl will really have the guts to put his feet on greek ground after his "awesome" performance at the WC06 !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg6gXbQP_jU

taspac
02-01-2008, 08:52 AM
Brasil Slovenia and Croatia will go to olympics.

My prediction:

A1 Brasil Vs B2 N. Zeland
B1 Germany Vs A2 Greece
C1 Slovenia Vs D2 Puerto Rico
D1 Croatia vs C2 Canada

Semis:
Brasil Vs Slovenia
Greece Vs Croatia

Final:
3rd pl.: Slovenia Vs Greece, Brasil Vs Croatia

Somehow i think that ex yougoslavian basketball will begin to rise again.

Juan Carlos Nadal
02-01-2008, 09:02 AM
Anderson Varejao and Greece

Sweet. Now that's something I would like to watch...

Joško Poljak Fan
02-01-2008, 10:34 AM
Anderson Varejao and Greece
sounds nice, you can ask Stuart to rename the Greek section into that :p

ArkadiosV2
02-01-2008, 04:19 PM
Accept your fate Brazil! You will be destroyed in Athens with Nikos Zisis beeing the top scorer and afterwards 20.000 Fans will throw their cellular phones, coins, bottles on Anderson Varejao and Greece will be disqualified from the Olympic tournament!

I'd give up the Olympics just to watch that up close! And throw my (old broken) mobile on him :)

PRSURF
02-01-2008, 05:15 PM
Brazil is a good team and will be, but is overrated right now.:rolleyes:

PRSURF
02-02-2008, 06:50 AM
Yes you could beat Croatia but not likely i give it a 30-70 chance, im not dissing thats just how i feel, and who knows if we take the first spot in our grouop lol, Slovenia has always had problems in games where we were the favorites.Ok, 30-70 chance :D

cadeceus
02-06-2008, 12:29 AM
FIBA clearly didn't want any of the top teams to get knocked out in the preliminary round.

Which of the Pot 3 teams (Cameroon, Lebanon, Korea, Cape Verde) do you think has the best chance to make it to the quarter-finals?

PRSURF
02-06-2008, 02:30 AM
Lebanon?, mmmm Korea?

PRSURF
02-06-2008, 05:29 AM
The composition of this Tournament:

Group A:

Greece
Brazil

Group B:

Germany
New Zealand

Group C:

Slovenia
Canada

Group D:

Puerto Rico
Croatia

Quarter-Finals:

Game 13: A1(Greece) vs. B2(New Zealand)
Game 14: B1(Germany) vs. A2(Brazil)
Game 15: C1(Slovenia) vs. D2(Croatia)
Game 16: D1(Puerto Rico) vs. C2(Canada)


Semi-Finals:


Game 17: Winner 13(Greece) vs. Winner 15(Slovenia)
Game 18: Winner 14(Brazil) vs. Winner 16(Puerto Rico)

Finals:

Game 19: Loser 17(Slovenia) vs. Loser 18(Brazil)


Greece
Puerto Rico
Slovenia

:D

Alyosha12
02-07-2008, 12:01 PM
The composition of this Tournament:

Group A:

Greece
Brazil

Group B:

Germany
New Zealand

Group C:

Slovenia
Canada

Group D:

Puerto Rico
Croatia

Quarter-Finals:

Game 13: A1(Greece) vs. B2(New Zealand)
Game 14: B1(Germany) vs. A2(Brazil)
Game 15: C1(Slovenia) vs. D2(Croatia)
Game 16: D1(Puerto Rico) vs. C2(Canada)


Semi-Finals:


Game 17: Winner 13(Greece) vs. Winner 15(Slovenia)
Game 18: Winner 14(Brazil) vs. Winner 16(Puerto Rico)

Finals:

Game 19: Loser 17(Slovenia) vs. Loser 18(Brazil)


Greece
Puerto Rico
Slovenia

:D

i like that:D

alermac
02-07-2008, 01:16 PM
Which of the Pot 3 teams (Cameroon, Lebanon, Korea, Cape Verde) do you think has the best chance to make it to the quarter-finals?
I think Cape Verde, because New Zealand may be the weakest of the top 8.

J-Mart
02-23-2008, 09:19 AM
Arroyo is doubtful for this tournament due to his status as a free agent this summer :D

Alyosha12
02-23-2008, 10:59 AM
Arroyo is doubtful for this tournament due to his status as a free agent this summer :D

I wish there was a dance emoticon on this forum:p

PRSURF
03-03-2008, 05:02 AM
Arroyo is doubtful for this tournament due to his status as a free agent this summer :D
Why you are happy about that?????:mad:

PRSURF
03-08-2008, 07:07 AM
POWER RANKINGS In the pre-Olympic qualifying tournament (Again, 12 teams for 3 spots)

1.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Greece.svg/22px-Flag_of_Greece.svg.pngGREECE (Qualified as: Eurobasket 4th Place)
The Greeks should be the odds-on favorite to win the tournament, although they did not look nearly as good in the 2007 Eurobasket as they had in either the 2006 Worlds (silver medal) or the 2005 Eurobasket (gold medal).

While Greece should qualify, if they are going to make any noise in Beijing, they really need Antonis Fotsis (missed Eurobasket due to injury) and Sofoklis Schortsanitis (missed Eurobasket due to being fat) to return as contributors next year, and they also need leader Theo Papaloukas to return to form after a subpar Eurobasket.

2.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Slovenia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Slovenia.svg.pngSLOVENIA (Qualified as: Eurobasket 7th Place)
Narrowly missed making the semifinals at the Eurobasket due to a heartbreaking loss to Greece in the quarters. Still, Slovenia had an impressive tournament, and have definite upside potential, considering that NBA players Beno Udrih, Sasha Vujacic, Boki Nachbar and Primoz Brezec, plus a good Euroleague guard, Sani Becirovic, did not suit up in Spain.

These guys could end up with one of the more talented rosters in Beijing, though sometimes mo' talent = mo' problems, as it's often not as easy as it looks to just parachute talented players into the middle of an established team. Often, the chemistry just doesn't work; just ask Turkey, who crashed out of Eurobasket despite adding Hedo Turkoglu and Memo Okur to its squad this summer.

3.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Germany.svg/22px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.pngGERMANY (Qualified as: Eurobasket 5th Place)
It should be a dogfight for the third and final Olympic spot granted at the qualifying tournament. We'll give the slight edge to Germany because they'll have the best player in the tournament in Dirk, even though they don't have much else.

4.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Croatia.svg/22px-Flag_of_Croatia.svg.pngCROATIA (Qualified as: Eurobasket 6th Place)
While Croatia doesn't really have much in the way of notable NBA players these days, it does have a nice collection of Euroleague talent, and they played well overall at Eurobasket '07, en route to a sixth place finish. Definite contender for an Olympic spot.

5.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.pngBRAZIL (Qualified as: FIBA Americas 3rd Place)
While Serbia, France, Italy and Turkey have to be high on the list of this summer's most disappointing teams, special mention needs to be reserved for Brazil just because they blew such a golden opportunity. All the Selecao had to do was defeat an Argentina team playing without most of its top talent, and they would qualify.

But Brazil was horribly disorganized and mismanaged at key moments of the FIBA Americas tournament, relegating them to the qualifying tournament, where they'll have an uphill battle trying to claim an Olympic spot that was once in their grasp. Coach Lula Ferreira has deservedly been dismissed, but it is likely too little, too late.

6.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Flag_of_Puerto_Rico.svg/22px-Flag_of_Puerto_Rico.svg.pngPUERTO RICO (Qualified as: FIBA Americas 4th Place)
P.R. still has a nice collection of backcourt players in Arroyo, Berea, and Ayuso, but they are not nearly as dangerous on the international scene as they've been in recent years due to a depleted frontcourt following the international retirements of big men Daniel Santiago and Jose Ortiz.

7.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Canada.svg/22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.pngCANADA (Qualified as: FIBA Americas 5th Place)
If they had Steve Nash, I'd probably move the Canadians straight up to the number 3 spot, and eagerly await a potential Nash-Dirk showdown with one last Olympic spot on the line. But considering that Nash's career has taken off to new levels since he's opted to rest during the summer, and that'll he be 34 next summer, I just don't see it happening. I'm sure that Nashy, great Canadian patriot that he is, would love to make another run at the Olympics, but I think his head will ultimately overrule his big red maple leaf of a heart.

8.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/22px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.pngNEW ZEALAND (Qualified as: FIBA Oceania 2nd Place)
After a surprising 4th place finish in the '02 Worlds, the Kiwis have fallen on rough times the last two years. They backed into the playoff portion of the '06 Worlds, and really did not deserve a playoff spot, but lucked out because they were placed in the weakest opening round group. And this year, they got absolutely dismantled (twice) by the Aussies in the Oceania Zone best-of-three tourney. The Kiwis definitely have decent talent - Mark Dickel, Craig Bradshaw, Kirk Penney - and should have played better than they have the last few years. They do have the requisite talent to make a run at the final qualifying spot, but their margin of error is very slim.

9.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Lebanon.svg/22px-Flag_of_Lebanon.svg.pngLEBANON (Qualified as: FIBA Asia 2nd Place)
File Lebanon under the same category as Brazil: they blew their golden opportunity this summer. Lebanon actually played pretty well at the 2006 Worlds, even scoring an upset of France, and appeared to be the odds-on favorite to capture the one available spot at the FIBA Asia Championships. But they were upset by Iran in the championship game, and now they have a mountain to climb to even get near Beijing.

10.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_South_Korea.svg/22px-Flag_of_South_Korea.svg.pngKOREA (Qualified as: FIBA Asia 3rd Place)
If Ha Seung Jin becomes both an NBA All-Star and People magazine's Sexiest Man Alive by next summer, then I would give Korea a chance to get an Olympic spot.

11.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Cameroon.svg/22px-Flag_of_Cameroon.svg.pngCAMEROON (Qualified as: Afrobasket 2nd Place)
It was a great accomplishment for Cameroon, with UCLA's Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, to advance further than Nigeria, Senegal and Egypt, and reach the finals of the Afrobasket tourney, which got them into the qualifying tournament.

12.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Cape_Verde.svg/22px-Flag_of_Cape_Verde.svg.pngCAPE VERDE (Qualified as: Afrobasket 3rd Place)
If Cameroon finishing 2nd in Africa was a great accomplishment, then Cape Verde finishing 3rd was a truly amazing accomplishment. I mean, look at this place - it's just 1557 square miles, with a population of 420,000, even Puerto Rico is about ten times that. Really, really an incredible achievement that they are standing among the final 21 nations.

http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2007/09/early-look-at-2008-olympic-basketball.html

Hubbie Brown is a dumb, first of all, we beat Brazil en the Pre-olympic America tournament for the third place, what a dumb. Only ONE sentence ABOUT us, he know more of Cameroon in basketball than Puerto Rico.

PRSURF
03-08-2008, 07:10 AM
Yes you could beat Croatia but not likely i give it a 30-70 chance, im not dissing thats just how i feel, and who knows if we take the first spot in our grouop lol, Slovenia has always had problems in games where we were the favorites.30-70?:mad: Thats too much, you will see.

J-Mart
03-12-2008, 07:14 PM
Why you are happy about that?????:mad:
actually, I dont give a shit about the NT anymore :D

btwn, according to Manolo Cintron, Arroyo promised him that he would play in the qualifying tournament.

PRSURF
03-12-2008, 09:08 PM
actually, I dont give a shit about the NT anymore :D

btwn, according to Manolo Cintron, Arroyo promised him that he would play in the qualifying tournament.Mmm ok hehe:D

Federoy
03-13-2008, 04:58 AM
I have to disagree with Brazil being ranked 5th. They have the talent to challenge if not win the top spot in the tournament. It just depends on which Brazil shows up. If it's the same disorganized, weak-hearted team that played during last summer's Tournament of the Americas, than they have no chance of qualifying for the Olympics. But if it's a well-motivated, healthy Brazil with all of its parts working under solid coaching instructions, then they can be a real threat. When healthy, their frontcourt is among the best in the world. (Anderson Varajao, Nene and Tiago Splitter) And their backcourt, lead by Barbosa, Silva, and 6th man shooter Marcelinho Machado is very effective and can exploit any defense. I expect Brazil to snatch one of those three spots IF the right team shows up.

cardenales
04-10-2008, 05:48 AM
The teams with the best talent in this tournament are:

Greece: Even they had a bad european qualifying tournament they still are a very talent and well coach team.

Slovenia:Jaka Lakovic lead a team that full of talent. In talent they can compete with Lithuania, Spain, USA and others. I see them in Beijin.

Croatia: As Slovenia, have the talent to be in Beijin.

Sleepers:

Puerto Rico: Right now they are not in their best moment because the team is in a change of generation but still have the talent and you can never count them out in any tournament.

Camerun: Yes, you might think Im crazy, even they dont have a Basketball history, this team have many good players playing division I in NCAA as Ruben Mboute Bounje in UCLA. Dont take this team lightly.

The other teams:

CaBo Verde: To small of a team for this tournament.

Brazil: Loaded of talent, but fail in big tournaments.

Canada: very good in the front court but in the backcourt they only have Andy Rauttins.

Korea: Has improve, but I dont see them in the top eight teams on this tournament.

Lebanon: yes, they have a great player in Kadi Al Fatih (whoever you write it), Joe Vogel helps but I dont think they have enough resources that requires for a team to have at this top level.

New Zeland: After their cinderella world cup 2002 tournament, this team have not achieve a good tournament since 2002.

I cant believe I forget Germany.

Germany: They might have the most talented player in this tournament in Dirk Nowitzky. Dirk is going to be a nightmare for everyteam that face Germany but he is going to need help and Germany is a very aging team in this tournament so in my opinion they should not go to far.


Prediction:

Qualify in Semifinals:

Greece and Slovenia

Croatia a slice advantage over Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is a team that you dont want to face in this stage for a spot because Puerto Rico is a very good team playing when the odds are against them.

5th Brasil

6Th Canada

7th Lebanon

8th Korea

9th Camerun

10 Cape Verde

Even I wrote that Camerun can sorprise, it is not to make it to Beijin but could knock Croatia or Puerto Rico out if they take them slidely.

PRSURF
04-10-2008, 07:29 PM
The teams with the best talent in this tournament are:

Greece: Even they had a bad european qualifying tournament they still are a very talent and well coach team.

Slovenia:Jaka Lakovic lead a team that full of talent. In talent they can compete with Lithuania, Spain, USA and others. I see them in Beijin.

Croatia: As Slovenia, have the talent to be in Beijin.

Sleepers:

Puerto Rico: Right now they are not in their best moment because the team is in a change of generation but still have the talent and you can never count them out in any tournament.

Camerun: Yes, you might think Im crazy, even they dont have a Basketball history, this team have many good players playing division I in NCAA as Ruben Mboute Bounje in UCLA. Dont take this team lightly.

The other teams:

CaBo Verde: To small of a team for this tournament.

Brazil: Loaded of talent, but fail in big tournaments.

Canada: very good in the front court but in the backcourt they only have Andy Rauttins.

Korea: Has improve, but I dont see them in the top eight teams on this tournament.

Lebanon: yes, they have a great player in Kadi Al Fatih (whoever you write it), Joe Vogel helps but I dont think they have enough resources that requires for a team to have at this top level.

New Zeland: After their cinderella world cup 2002 tournament, this team have not achieve a good tournament since 2002.

I cant believe I forget Germany.

Germany: They might have the most talented player in this tournament in Dirk Nowitzky. Dirk is going to be a nightmare for everyteam that face Germany but he is going to need help and Germany is a very aging team in this tournament so in my opinion they should not go to far.


Prediction:

Qualify in Semifinals:

Greece and Slovenia

Croatia a slice advantage over Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is a team that you dont want to face in this stage for a spot because Puerto Rico is a very good team playing when the odds are against them.

5th Brasil

6Th Canada

7th Lebanon

8th Korea

9th Camerun

10 Cape Verde

Even I wrote that Camerun can sorprise, it is not to make it to Beijin but could knock Croatia or Puerto Rico out if they take them slidely.Cardenales, in the the calendar, Slovenia and Greece will fight for a spot in the semis, so they cant qualified twice at the same time, hehe!

cardenales
04-10-2008, 08:39 PM
Thank You PRSURF, anyway Greece and Slovenia are going to be in the Olimpics. Croatia should be the other team. I hope Puerto Rico made it to the Olimpics but is going to be tough.

ArkadiosV2
04-10-2008, 08:50 PM
Cardenales, in the the calendar, Slovenia and Greece will fight for a spot in the semis, so they cant qualified twice at the same time, hehe!
Where did you get this from?

Format

* The teams will be divided into four groups (Groups A-D) for the preliminary round.
* Round robin for the preliminary round; the top two teams from each group advance to the quarterfinals. The last-placed team in each group are eliminated.
* A single-elimination tournament will then be held; the quarterfinals pairings are:
o A1 vs. B2
o B1 vs. A2
o C1 vs. D2
o D1 vs. C2
* The semifinal pairings will be A1/B2 vs. B1/A2 and C1/D2 and D1/C2. The semifinal winners are qualified for the Olympics. No championship game will be held.
* The semifinal losers will play for the last Olympic qualifying berth.
Greece is in Group A, Slovenia is in Group C. So they will NOT meed until the semis...

PRSURF
04-10-2008, 10:33 PM
Where did you get this from?

Greece is in Group A, Slovenia is in Group C. So they will NOT meed until the semis...MMMMMM, arkadios, thats what I said!

If they win all the games until the semis, they cant qualified at the same time arkadios, one will win, the other team go for the third spot!!!

ArkadiosV2
04-11-2008, 12:38 AM
Prediction:

Qualify in Semifinals:

Greece and Slovenia
The dude says that Greece and Slovenia will make it to the semis.

Cardenales, in the the calendar, Slovenia and Greece will fight for a spot in the semis, so they cant qualified twice at the same time, hehe!
You say they will meet in the quarter-finals for a spot in the semis. Even if you meant that they will meet in the semis, you are basically agreeing with cardenales in the first place, so why even quote and correct him?

MMMMMM, arkadios, thats what I said!

If they win all the games until the semis, they cant qualified at the same time arkadios, one will win, the other team go for the third spot!!!
This place= qualification to Olympics!

elaj
04-15-2008, 05:03 PM
I heard price of tickets for this tournament will go from min. 20€ to 60€ max.

cardenales
04-15-2008, 05:32 PM
In my opinion Greece and Slovenia are the best two teams in this World Olympic qualifier.

Vasileios Spanoulis
04-15-2008, 07:36 PM
I have to disagree with Brazil being ranked 5th. They have the talent to challenge if not win the top spot in the tournament. It just depends on which Brazil shows up. If it's the same disorganized, weak-hearted team that played during last summer's Tournament of the Americas, than they have no chance of qualifying for the Olympics. But if it's a well-motivated, healthy Brazil with all of its parts working under solid coaching instructions, then they can be a real threat. When healthy, their frontcourt is among the best in the world. (Anderson Varajao, Nene and Tiago Splitter) And their backcourt, lead by Barbosa, Silva, and 6th man shooter Marcelinho Machado is very effective and can exploit any defense. I expect Brazil to snatch one of those three spots IF the right team shows up.

Sorry but you are typically as an American overrating them just because of some recognized NBA names on the roster. Can they qualify? Sure they can. But they are not even the best team in the qualifying tournament.

PRSURF
04-15-2008, 08:39 PM
In my opinion Greece and Slovenia are the best two teams in this World Olympic qualifier.Yep, they are the best teams.

cardenales
04-16-2008, 04:37 AM
Brazil is a team loaded with talent but they still are not the best team in the tournament. The best team in this tournament I said before and I am going to repeat it now is Greece. Slovenia is also a better team than Brasil and the Croatian team to. Now, we have to see how the brazilians are going to play with a good coach as Manuel Monsalve.

usausa
04-23-2008, 01:12 PM
Group A is my "Group of Death". You got 2nd best Asian team, arguably a 2nd/3rd best American team in Brazil, and a top 3 in the world team in Greecewhen they play out of this world. Some good team will be left out and thats a shame.

mvblair
04-23-2008, 02:07 PM
Group A is my "Group of Death". You got 2nd best Asian team, arguably a 2nd/3rd best American team in Brazil, and a top 3 in the world team in Greecewhen they play out of this world. Some good team will be left out and thats a shame. Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, this happens for every international tournament.

There are a lot of good, solid teams in this tournament. I mean, Puerto Rico, Slovenia, Greece, Brazil, Germany, Croatia, Lebanon...there will be some surprises. Obviously, Greece is the favorite.

I have to disagree with Brazil being ranked 5th. They have the talent to challenge if not win the top spot in the tournament. It just depends on which Brazil shows up. If it's the same disorganized, weak-hearted team that played during last summer's Tournament of the Americas, than they have no chance of qualifying for the Olympics. But if it's a well-motivated, healthy Brazil with all of its parts working under solid coaching instructions, then they can be a real threat. When healthy, their frontcourt is among the best in the world. (Anderson Varajao, Nene and Tiago Splitter) And their backcourt, lead by Barbosa, Silva, and 6th man shooter Marcelinho Machado is very effective and can exploit any defense. I expect Brazil to snatch one of those three spots IF the right team shows up. Federoy, I think you're right. Brazil has got some wonderful players. I know some people really think I'm an idiot for saying this, but I think that Machado is one of their best, Federoy. A few years ago, he could've joined the NBA. Now, I guess, he's "too old" to be considered for a contract. Žalgiris signed him up a while ago, but I think he'd rather be at home than playing outside of Brazil. Great, great player. Brazil does have one of the best frontcourts. Splitter and Nene both have a lot of skill and Varejao is a super energy guy, although he's not as skilled offensively.

The problem with Brazil? You already said it, Federoy. They're horribly organized. Brazil's national sports program cares about futbol; to hell with everything else.

PRSURF
04-23-2008, 06:39 PM
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, this happens for every international tournament.

There are a lot of good, solid teams in this tournament. I mean, Puerto Rico, Slovenia, Greece, Brazil, Germany, Croatia, Lebanon...there will be some surprises. Obviously, Greece is the favorite.
Federoy, I think you're right. Brazil has got some wonderful players. I know some people really think I'm an idiot for saying this, but I think that Machado is one of their best, Federoy. A few years ago, he could've joined the NBA. Now, I guess, he's "too old" to be considered for a contract. Žalgiris signed him up a while ago, but I think he'd rather be at home than playing outside of Brazil. Great, great player. Brazil does have one of the best frontcourts. Splitter and Nene both have a lot of skill and Varejao is a super energy guy, although he's not as skilled offensively.

The problem with Brazil? You already said it, Federoy. They're horribly organized. Brazil's national sports program cares about futbol; to hell with everything else.Volleyball too.

PRSURF
04-23-2008, 06:45 PM
Group A is my "Group of Death". You got 2nd best Asian team, arguably a 2nd/3rd best American team in Brazil, and a top 3 in the world team in Greecewhen they play out of this world. Some good team will be left out and thats a shame.EJem, Puerto Rico beat the hell out two times Brazil!

usausa
04-23-2008, 07:27 PM
All the teams in A are Olympic caliber if they play their best, and so can PR. But the African countries, sorry, dont stand a chance. NZ has little in mymind as well. Lastly, Korea and Canada dont but with the way the groups are set up, it could be that one of them make it. Personally, I root for an African country just becuase they always seem to get the least and it would be a nice change.

Khalid80
05-31-2008, 03:31 PM
I really hope that Lebanon can pull off a huge upset by beating Brazil or Greece even though their chances are quite low since they have been placed in the toughest group of all.
Brazil and Greece are 2 of the best teams in South America and Europe.
I mean Brazil already has 3 players that play in the NBA (Leandro Barbosa (Phoenix Suns), Nene (Denver Nuggets), Anderson Varejao (Cleveland Caveliars) and a few others in the top leagues in Europe (ex. Tiago Splitter).
Greece has 2 teams that always qualify to the final stages of the Euroleague (Panathinaikos and Olympiakos). They also have a player that played with the Houston Rockets (Spaniolis).
Greece also defeated the Last Dream Team at the World Championships. Last but not least, they will have home court advantage since the Olympic Qualifiers will be played in Greece.

Chuck Diesel
06-01-2008, 08:43 PM
Does anyone know if there will be a way to watch this qualifying tournament in the US? Medizone.com carries the Eurobasket and WC's, I wonder if they'll pick up this tournament. Same goes for all the Olympic games that are not on TV.

PRSURF
06-01-2008, 09:13 PM
I think CBS will broadcast the Olympics in USA and Puerto Rico.

elaj
06-02-2008, 07:04 PM
Jasmin Repeša, coach of Croatian NT just picked his 18 men roster for pre-Olympic tournament:

Dalibor Bagarić, Marko Banić, Stanko Barać, Davor Kus, Krešimir Lončar, Branimir Longin, Damir Markota, Sandro Nicević, Zoran Planinić, Marko Popović, Nikola Prkačin, Marin Rozić, Damjan Rudež, Krunoslav Simon, Marko Tomas, Ante Tomić, Roko Ukić and Jakov Vladović.

As expected.

J-Mart
06-04-2008, 06:09 AM
Puerto Rico
Daniel Santiago
Peter John Ramos
Angelo Reyes
Ricky Sanchez
--- (another big)
Carmelo Antrone Lee
--- (a small forward)
Larry Ayuso
--- (a shooting guard)
Carlos Arroyo
Jose Juan Barea
Filiberto Rivera


there are 3 spots available...
Manuel Narvaez
Angel "Piwi" Garcia
Luis Rivas
"Buster" Figueroa
AD Vasallo
Rick Apodaca
"Bimbo" Carmona
Javier Mojica

all we need is a coach...

LFGC79
06-05-2008, 05:22 PM
Btw, what are the bets? Will Varejao take the summer off? :D

You won ....

This is good for us.

RIO DE JANEIRO (FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men) - Brazil big man Anderson Varejao is not recovering quickly from the ankle and quadriceps injuries he picked up while playing for Cleveland in the NBA play-offs and will miss this summer’s FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament in Athens.

cardenales
06-05-2008, 05:35 PM
Is Puerto Rico a good team?

LFGC79
06-05-2008, 05:39 PM
Is Puerto Rico a good team?

?????

arsinoh
06-08-2008, 09:51 AM
Hi everyone,

On Friday it was announced that tickets for the Athens Olympic Qualifying Tournament will be available from 15 June. Prices are 20 and 60 euros.
http://www.athens2008.fiba.com
http://ticketquest.gr/BASKET/Default.aspx

cardenales
06-08-2008, 05:06 PM
Do anyone know if the Pre world olimpic cualified is going to be televised by NBATV.

Lietuvis
06-10-2008, 06:35 AM
So considering that we get:

1. Greece
2. Slovenia
3. Germany

go through, which groups in the Olympics will they qualify to?

My guess being the obvious one is that Greece (or 1st place) joins group B Slovenia (or 2nd place) joins Group A and Germany will join Group B (or 3rd place)?

This being the case the Olympic Group A is a hell of a mad group!!!

Group A:
Argentina
Australia
Iran
Lithuania
Slovenia
Russia

Group B:
Angola
China
Germany
Greece
Spain
USA

onemansportsnetwork
06-14-2008, 06:44 AM
Four teams have won a spot at the Beijing Olympics after reaching the semifinals of the qualifying tournament in Madrid.

They are Latvia, Belarus, Czech Republic and Spain.

One spot is still up for grabs. The losing quarterfinal teams playoff for that spot. Cuba and Brazil are high ranked teams still without an Olympic berth.

LFGC79
06-16-2008, 03:14 PM
Does anyone know if there will be a way to watch this qualifying tournament in the US? Medizone.com carries the Eurobasket and WC's, I wonder if they'll pick up this tournament. Same goes for all the Olympic games that are not on TV.

I wrote Media Zone an email asking them. They said that they will not transmit the games from the OQT.

Chuck Diesel
06-18-2008, 12:00 AM
The latest is that FIBA.com will offer live streaming of this tournament through their website.

Vasileios Spanoulis
06-19-2008, 03:54 PM
The latest is that FIBA.com will offer live streaming of this tournament through their website.


Will it be free or do you have to pay for it like the Eurobasket?

Turkish Airlines Euroleague
06-19-2008, 03:56 PM
Will it be free or do you have to pay for it like the Eurobasket?

I'm sure you will be able to watch the games via ERTsat! ;)

Vasileios Spanoulis
06-19-2008, 04:03 PM
I'm sure you will be able to watch the games via ERTsat! ;)


Because it's in Athens maybe.

Khalid80
06-26-2008, 10:21 AM
Do you guys know if any of the Supersport channels will show any of the games?
I am currently watching the EURO 2008 on Supersport3.

We also get Filmnet but that Channel shows other types of sports ;)

ArkadiosV2
06-26-2008, 10:50 AM
Do you guys know if any of the Supersport channels will show any of the games?
No. Greek national TV shows basketball NT games. ET1, NET and Ert Sat.

asapa11
06-28-2008, 07:56 AM
Just wondering

does anybody know the media coverage for this event here in the US? what channel will they be airing it on? thank you

stafgu
07-08-2008, 05:18 AM
Chris Kaman has entered Team Germany,Okulaja injuried.I think Germany lacks of a guy can contact inside and outside

sunara
07-12-2008, 05:31 PM
Kaman-Nowitzki-Femerling, Germany is powerful in the paint, i think they have a good calendar

Genjuro
07-13-2008, 08:45 AM
Anybody knows here how the three teams coming from this tournament will be distributed in the two Olympic groups?

By the way, I think it's going to be Greece, Brazil and Slovenia.

JGX
07-14-2008, 12:08 PM
New Zealand 77 Cape Verde 50

NZ up 16-0 early and was never threatened.

CV shot 18-71 from the field, subtract out Xavier, Oliver, and Mascarenhas and the rest of the team shot 3-39...that's not going to get the job done.

AiwiTo
07-14-2008, 02:27 PM
Korea - Slovenia 76-88

Nesterovic 26pts (13/18 2FT :eek:) 9reb, Slokar 12pts , Zupan (6reb) and Dragic with 11pts.

Kim, Joo-sung 21pts and 4ast (7/12 2pts, 2/2 3pts), Jung, Young-sam 18pts (4/4 2pts, 2/3 3pts)

Slovenia made 30/46 (65%) 2-pointers, Korea 11/21 (52%) 3-pointers.
Europeans outrebounded Korea 21-38.

bobo81
07-14-2008, 03:36 PM
That was probably the best performance I have ever seen by S Korea. I thought Slovenia would blow them out the water but S Korea actually hung on.

Nikoo
07-14-2008, 04:44 PM
Those refs are joke. 2 out of the blue fouls against Cameroom.
GO Cameroon

bobo81
07-14-2008, 05:14 PM
I would watch the game but I keep getting an error when streaming it and the stream stops so can someone update us on this one?

Nikoo
07-14-2008, 06:36 PM
Check here for NTV Spor
http://www.justin.tv/
They broadcast almost all games.

Richey666
07-15-2008, 10:17 AM
This is getting laughable, every touch against Slovenia is a foul, while they're allowed to play very rough under their own basket.
from 31 points 17 is from freethrows :D
EDIT: Beautiful flop by Zupan, with such whistling, it's hard ot imagine US team would have any chance against brilliant Slovenia team executing on free-throw line.

Zupan should've fouled out by now, seeing how he's clearly holding Dalembert every second.

Jon_Koncak
07-15-2008, 11:02 AM
i agree..they don't let the canadians play any kind of defense..the slightest touch is called for a foul

fasoulaki
07-15-2008, 11:03 AM
i agree..they don't let the canadians play any kind of defense..the slightest touch is called for a foul

Who are the referees? (name & country)

Jon_Koncak
07-15-2008, 11:07 AM
i have no idea

i'm pretty sure one of them is an italian though(not lamonica) never seen the others..

PHILIPeurobasket
07-15-2008, 11:15 AM
http://www.justin.tv/widgets/jtv_live.r7790.swf?channel=ozzym

Slovenia game live ;)

Richey666
07-15-2008, 11:18 AM
Dalembert doesnt seem to care to play or what? He's always been hustling and outplaying Nesterovic in NBA, but not here.
EDIT: Well from these games it's very easy to understand, why some people could say: Uros Slokar could well play in NBA, stupid Raptors coach didnt use his talent. The fact is: Dalembert would eat him alive there. But at this tournament, with better team and better understanding of rules Slokar dominated.

EDIT: Slovenia is clearly better team though, with a little help of referees they got the initiative and Canada lost cohesion.

robbe
07-15-2008, 12:11 PM
Good game by the Slovenians. Rasho excellent as always. Good scenes by Preldzic.

Canada looked disorganised. I don't want to blame it on one spot/person as Slovenias whole passing game was quite obviously far superior, but ... Jermaine Anderson is not someone you'd want to run your offense.

Joško Poljak Fan
07-15-2008, 12:20 PM
get real, what should our team say about that block on Bečirovič the ball going off court and Canadians still going for an easy layup... or some others calls... nevermind
It's a matter of two completley different talent levels, no matter your opinion. Lakovič has been the most fouled player in the last 3 years of euroleague without much help, fouls on Bečirovič were plain stupid, while I don't hide the fact I hate these soft refereeing, with fouls being called without any contact, but saying that resolved the game... is biased, but that wouldn't be anything that we aren't used by some guys here already.
Zupan does those fouls all the time and Drobnjak won't slow down untill he gets his 5th neither.
these referees aren't up to level to the ones Uleb has and I keep forgeting that every year untill the summer...

Nesterovič being outplayed by Dalembert in NBA is due to the fact Dalembert actually got some guys to set him up over there, where he was able to use his athleticism, along with the fact Nesterovič focus on team defense oftenly jumping out of the lane (which isn't the most popular thing to do in NBA, but usefull imho) allowing some wider space.
I'll only say what I am repeating here for the past 5 years (and still people need to be remembered this after every game): Nesterovič regulary outplays any center (PF's are ussualy a nasty exceptions, read: Kambala) he faces on the international stage, and yet people keep getting surprised for some reason :D
intl. stage is a lot different issue, and Rašo is made for it and not for NBA.
Defensive wise Rasho is the no.1 non-american center for international competitions, while offensive wise he is just usefull in NBA and once again above average on int. comp. ... and people aren't able to cope with that...

And since noone will comment on Jaka's game since he didn't play as bad as many people would prefer: extraordinary game in first half, nevermind he is the duffy duck, only few guards are able to have such moments as he did.

Richey666
07-15-2008, 12:56 PM
Yeah I agree, Slovenia was better and would've won even without foul disparity, but especially at the beginning it did seem like there was NBA refereeing under one basket and FIBA refereeing under another :D, bit absurd when half of points come from freethrows.

4 European teams will probably get into semifinals, I cant imagine Brazil or Puerto Rico kicking them out.

Richey666
07-15-2008, 01:05 PM
ugly massacre by Germans: 50:13 against Cape Verde.

lafa
07-15-2008, 01:32 PM
ugly massacre by Germans: 50:13 against Cape Verde.


honestly, what is the point of allowing teams like lebanon or cape verde participate in tournament with NTs from a much higher level? even romania, slovakia and iceland would look better :/

it's just public humiliation...

Papaloukas
07-15-2008, 01:39 PM
This tournament is nonsense. They should allow more European team spots at the olympics till other national teams prove they can compete.

nnt01
07-15-2008, 02:17 PM
honestly, what is the point of allowing teams like lebanon or cape verde participate in tournament with NTs from a much higher level? even romania, slovakia and iceland would look better :/

it's just public humiliation...
With all due respect, if we are passing through some bad luck concerning losing players to injuries and some bad preparation phase does not mean that we are a bad team...and the biggest proof to this was the last world championship...winning 2 games against Venezuela and France, and if we were to win the last game against Nigeria..we would've qualified to the following round second-placed after Argentina!

Straight forward
07-15-2008, 02:40 PM
Imho, all continents should get a chance. If Euro teams are so good they will qualify (i think they will).

elaj
07-15-2008, 02:43 PM
Imho, all continents should get a chance. If Euro teams are so good they will qualify (i think they will).
There are only three spots... and few good NT which would deserve a place - Greece, Croatia, Slovenia, Germany + Brazil and Puerto Rico which are also very decent NTs.

Picek
07-15-2008, 06:26 PM
Cameroon put a good fight again but again it wasn't enough..
but one can stop thinking what would have happend if they were with their best team and with some better preparations..
they have outrebounded both us yesterday and Puerto Rico today..

JGX
07-15-2008, 06:41 PM
honestly, what is the point of allowing teams like lebanon or cape verde participate in tournament with NTs from a much higher level?

Cape Verde earned their way in just like everyone else...no one would be complaining if Nigeria was there, but guess who beat them in the African Championship.

rikhardur
07-15-2008, 06:43 PM
And besides Lebanon is not as weak as it seemed (in one game). Every country has the chance to prove themselves against others, otherwise basketball won't evolve in other areas of the globe.

LFGC79
07-15-2008, 06:54 PM
VEry poor performance of PR. They were playing with 3PG at the same time. NEED Reyes, Figueroa, Apodaca, and Vasallo(!!!).

Waneko
07-15-2008, 07:59 PM
VEry poor performance of PR. They were playing with 3PG at the same time. NEED Reyes, Figueroa, Apodaca, and Vasallo(!!!).

I can't understand why PR can not hold onto a lead. They lead by 21 points early in the 3rd quarter and Camaroon got to within 3 or 4 points in the 4th. It's very frustrating.

I want to think PR depends way too much on 3-point shooting, but then I see that their 3-point shooting percentage today was higher than their 2 point. Maybe they should only shoot 3's.

Picek
07-15-2008, 08:20 PM
brazilian coach deserve to have some kind of injury of his players..
he took out entire first team in the third quarter and at the end of third quarter Brasil was up by 36 so the game was decided..
but in the fourth quarter he put his first team back into the play...
you don't do that when the game is decided even if you need to give some playing time to your players..
very unsportsmanlike behaviour...:mad:

Alyosha12
07-15-2008, 09:15 PM
brazilian coach deserve to have some kind of injury of his players..
he took out entire first team in the third quarter and at the end of third quarter Brasil was up by 36 so the game was decided..
but in the fourth quarter he put his first team back into the play...
you don't do that when the game is decided even if you need to give some playing time to your players..
very unsportsmanlike behaviour...:mad:

Agreed that is very unsportsmanlike.

JGX
07-15-2008, 10:15 PM
Jermaine Anderson is not someone you'd want to run your offense.

Their point guard situation has always been a disaster without Nash...

The big problem, however, is their coach. Thousands of qualified coaches in North America and they hired a guy with no experience at all. Rautins' main accomplishment since he took over in 2005 is his insistence on selecting his son.

planaria
07-16-2008, 01:52 AM
brazilian coach deserve to have some kind of injury of his players..
he took out entire first team in the third quarter and at the end of third quarter Brasil was up by 36 so the game was decided..
but in the fourth quarter he put his first team back into the play...
you don't do that when the game is decided even if you need to give some playing time to your players..
very unsportsmanlike behaviour...:mad:

Wow...You have showed MUCH CLASS wishing an injury for brazilian players in your post... :mad:

Sorry, but the coach didnt do anything wrong against the Lebanon. Actually, he´d be very stupid if he had not played his starters for at least 15/20 minutes today even with the scoreboard advantage. Players should get rythim and enter in tournament athmosphere.

Just remember that tomorrow Brazil plays a very important game against the greeks.

The coach choose to not play the starters in 2nd an 3rd. So what? What the diference between play the starters early in the 4th or late in the 3rd? He also send everybody to the bench with something like 4 minutes to go in the last period.

Nobody played more than 22 minutes. So, you cant really say that Brazil tried to run up the score.

Actually the last period was "only" 21 x 17, with Brazil not much interesed in the game, while the Lebanon was trying to make the score down a bit.

If you want to complain, go find for Greece. They scored 33 points in the last period.

PRSURF
07-16-2008, 02:42 AM
brazilian coach deserve to have some kind of injury of his players..
he took out entire first team in the third quarter and at the end of third quarter Brasil was up by 36 so the game was decided..
but in the fourth quarter he put his first team back into the play...
you don't do that when the game is decided even if you need to give some playing time to your players..
very unsportsmanlike behaviour...:mad:The problem is in the coaching staff, not in the players.:rolleyes:

PRSURF
07-16-2008, 02:51 AM
Cameroon put a good fight again but again it wasn't enough..
but one can stop thinking what would have happend if they were with their best team and with some better preparations..
they have outrebounded both us yesterday and Puerto Rico today..They not outrebounded us today, was a tied 41 to 41. :rolleyes:

Honestly, Cameroon play very hard, i like it.

Juan Carlos Nadal
07-16-2008, 03:07 AM
I don't understand why some people get upset when teams with big leads continue to play in full intensity. I mean, if anything one should applaud such an attitude. Also it has to be borne in mind that most teams had a very short preparation and they still need to try systems ahead of important games. (What would be a better opportunity to do so than a game where you are in a +30/40 lead with a whole quarter to spare).

Picek
07-16-2008, 04:46 AM
Their point guard situation has always been a disaster without Nash...

The big problem, however, is their coach. Thousands of qualified coaches in North America and they hired a guy with no experience at all. Rautins' main accomplishment since he took over in 2005 is his insistence on selecting his son.
and his son is hillarious :D
everytime he was on the floor Slovenia had a tons of fastbreaks after his turnovers..
he was the worst Canada player outthere and that means something since most of them were really bad so it wasn't easy to be the "best worst" among them..

krikit
07-16-2008, 11:13 AM
Canadian coach got into some sort of argument/fight with Dalembert and Dalembert seems to be out of the tournament. Wild guess says Rautins won't be coaching Canada much longer.

edit.

Unless that great comeback to win 79-77 saved him. Great comeback by the Canadians in the last quarter.

Nikoo
07-16-2008, 12:35 PM
Arroyo is on a mission against Croatia.

Richey666
07-16-2008, 12:52 PM
At the end of the quarter Croatia pushed on a much rougher defense...and as usual when European teams play rough in this tournament, they're allowed to do that...Canada was not allowed...I think Croatia will win it, if they can keep turnovers down.

KWSN-Men
07-16-2008, 01:11 PM
At the end of the quarter Croatia pushed on a much rougher defense...and as usual when European teams play rough in this tournament, they're allowed to do that...Canada was not allowed...I think Croatia will win it, if they can keep turnovers down.

Yeah, it must be a conspiracy... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Arroyo hitting just the board on 2 3 pointers after 4/4 had nothing to do with it... that are playing street basketball....

PRSURF
07-16-2008, 01:23 PM
European Haters.

bobo81
07-16-2008, 01:37 PM
Wow way to throw the game away puerto rico... :rolleyes:

Richey666
07-16-2008, 01:51 PM
Well, told ya.

LFGC79
07-16-2008, 01:58 PM
Great game by Croatia.
Too bad we lost our big lead. We are playing like a high school game. Maybe this will make people think differently about how to construct an appropriate team in our country.
Just completely rebuild.

Richey666
07-16-2008, 02:08 PM
I tell you, NOT having NBA players in this FIBA tournament is a huge positive. That's why i think Greece, Croatia and Slovenia (as you know Nesterovic is brilliant FIBA player) will qualify.

PRSURF
07-16-2008, 02:16 PM
Puff what a bad game.:mad:

KWSN-Men
07-16-2008, 02:31 PM
Puff what a bad game.:mad:

What was your coach really thinking? Prkacin was embarassing Santiago the whole game and he didn't even think to change something even when Santiago had 4 fouls. And ofcourse, just seconds later, Prkacin got his 5th.

LFGC79
07-16-2008, 02:36 PM
What was your coach really thinking? Prkacin was embarassing Santiago the whole game and he didn't even think to change something even when Santiago had 4 fouls. And ofcourse, just seconds later, Prkacin got his 5th.

Our coach is a national embarrassment.

stuart
07-16-2008, 04:59 PM
I tell you, NOT having NBA players in this FIBA tournament is a huge positive. That's why i think Greece, Croatia and Slovenia (as you know Nesterovic is brilliant FIBA player) will qualify.
There is not a common trait you can point to that backs up your claim. You even contradict yourself in your own sentence.

Stuart

Richey666
07-16-2008, 05:46 PM
I am not entirely serious about the claim, but where's the contradiction? :D
Both Canada and Puerto Rico teams NBA players havent been able to make an impact. Well Germany's players are, but Novitzki is known team player, Kaman has been a positive surprise.
But I dont want to start this NBA/FIBA fight again here, so please dont answer to this as why this is happening:)

Alyosha12
07-16-2008, 06:18 PM
At the end of the quarter Croatia pushed on a much rougher defense...and as usual when European teams play rough in this tournament, they're allowed to do that...Canada was not allowed...I think Croatia will win it, if they can keep turnovers down.

Buuhuu cry me a river really.

Ohhh sad Canda but you don't seem to mention the mistakes made in their facour, when they were down 9 and they game them 3 chances to take it down to 3 but what did Canda do? You guessed it they screwed up, because they suck.

KWSN-Men
07-16-2008, 06:24 PM
Buuhuu cry me a river really.

Ohhh sad Canda but you don't seem to mention the mistakes made in their facour, when they were down 9 and they game them 3 chances to take it down to 3 but what did Canda do? You guessed it they screwed up, because they suck.


He is starting to be a threat for the "most expected posts" title. VS with the Spanoulis extravaganza is still the KING, but Richey with his "NBA rocks, Europe sucks" is really pushing hard now....

robbe
07-17-2008, 02:30 AM
Arroyo is on a mission against Croatia.
Mission: Failed.

Hard to win a basketball game against a disciplined team by jacking up shot after shot from the outside and wild guard play. It can happen, but I hope Slovenia maintains the same composure as the Croatian team showed.

For Germany, Brasil is the first real test - and it's already a decisive one. Easy wins over Kap Verde and New Zealand don't tell us anything about this team.

PRSURF
07-17-2008, 04:58 AM
What a good partners are the european, they show love to the partners of other countries of europe, what a special moment, pufff:mad:

Why you people want Puerto Rico lose so badly??, all the comments to Puero Rico are negative, i hating this crap in this forum.

lafa
07-17-2008, 06:30 AM
Why you people want Puerto Rico lose so badly??, all the comments to Puero Rico are negative, i hating this crap in this forum.

nobody's hating puerto rico, it's just people from europe usually root for european teams ;)

question for croats why planinic and markota didn't play yesterday?

ffalkec
07-17-2008, 07:09 AM
Markota injured himself and is out of the tournament :(
As for Planinic I do not know, but I guess that he needed to rest, for he was injured before the tournament and is probably still not 100%

KWSN-Men
07-17-2008, 09:00 AM
Markota injured himself and is out of the tournament :(
As for Planinic I do not know, but I guess that he needed to rest, for he was injured before the tournament and is probably still not 100%

They said on Greek TV that he had a fever.

J-Mart
07-17-2008, 10:09 AM
Our coach is a national embarrassment.
I second that

Picek
07-17-2008, 12:39 PM
question for croats why planinic and markota didn't play yesterday?Markota was operated yesterday in Zagreb and Planinic had stomach sickness and therefore didn't play..